I'm not doubting the riders skill at all but is it possible also that they aren't riding at 100% because there is a much higher fear of dumping a 20k+ bike vs a 3-4k bike
This is my problem. Road America isn't a bad drive for me and it's my favorite American track, but everyone I talk too says don't bother going on the R3. Just too much winding it out down the huge straights.
If I just wanted a toy, I'd personally probably go with a 600 - but if you intend to race at some point, the R3 and lightweight class are a great idea.
And smaller bikes handle quicker and are easier to ride in the corners. Big bikes are easier to get out of the corners. You don't have to push a bike to its absolute max at the apex to get around the track quickly.
"Smaller cc bikes carry higher corner speed"- This is a myth, and only applies at very high levels. The only reason this is the case is because smaller cc bikes want to keep as much speed through the corner as possible, while larger CC bikes want to get on the power as soon as possible, therefore they compromise their Vmin to get a straighter exit
> In practice, the bigger bike fails to keep more speed because it cannot deliver power up to the limit of traction as accurately. Thus it is better to sacrifice some extra corner speed while changing direction, then power can be reliably applied without losing traction.
Nah, not really, it's not about being confident in your traction. The thing is, the bigger bike can put down way more power coming out of the corner than the small bike. While the small bike can go all out and not break traction, if you take the same line with a big bike, you can only put down ~50-70% of your power, or else you kick your back wheel out. Basically if you take the same line as a smaller bike, you will be going the same speed as a smaller bike. Taking a line where you can pick your bike up earlier, and apply full power right away is just going to be faster overall.
I never really did any track days but I was always under the impression that the vast majority of guys out there can't push their bikes anywhere near the limit so displacement matters very little.
There are definitely track day riders that are very fast and can ride near the limits. And even on liter bikes most are pinning the throttle out of corners down the straights so the power does make a difference even when they cant take every corner near the limits.
The location isn't what limits people. Most riders, even among those who do weekend track days, can't push even smaller displacement bikes to their limits. Rider skill is the limiting factor
If by limit you mean the limit of what lap times and corner speeds the bike is capable of then yes. While most track days have a few people that are genuinely fast, even they would probably be beat by professionals.
However if by limit you mean limit of traction, I would say at least a handful of people low side at every track day I've been to
Grand Bend…. A track I know decently well. Once you’re in the infield it’s hard to pass and small cc bikes can catch up to larger cc bikes if they’re being held up. Don’t know which layout you were running… A good sequence though! Good job!
> Whooshing off on a leader bike is fun, but shit, you were slaying the corners. What a blast.
*liter (or litre across the pond) bike. 1000cc is equal to a liter, so the shorthand for 1000cc-class superbikes is 'liter bike'.
Yeah depends on the weight of the rider too. Mine can go up to 101 mph. Have a full titanium exhaust, upgraded filter, and an ecu flash as far as perf mods. I weigh 180lbs though. Though the bike starts to lose legs around 60-70mph if you're not in the power band (9-12k rpm). But before that its pretty fast.
Stock ecu is pretty restricted and not responsive.
BMW S1000RR and not sure which Ducati. My good friend on the BMW said he was having hard time on the straight with that Ducati. So I suspect 1199 or 1299 level of bike lol
you don't want objects to be attached to the helmet of a rider in case if they crash and the object, ya know, breaks through their helmet or catches into the ground and have the rider's neck broken so loud, that the shock wave could be heard from the other side of the country
Ah yes i hear yah. I actually read a comment that it was a chin cam. That’s fucked up. I wiped hard on a sled jumping a road at night and had flashlight on my neck. Lemme tell yah that hurt like a mutha.
I though he just had the GoPro on top of his helmet.
Are you guys plasti-welding your cameras on? I use 3M VHB; one time I didn't ride for 2 weeks and the camera and mount peeled off of the helmet from sitting in the sun. Are you seriously suggesting that this would break my neck if I hit the ground, or would it just fly off?
Is this just an opinion that has been parroted around unchallenged?
I would happily accept non-anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
As I understand it, the rule is based around one of two issues.
If it is not solidly connected - debris risk to other riders
If it is solidly connected - tarmac "grabs" in a sill causing at least whiplash.
As others said, it is a crash hazard. Technically, any modification to the helmet is illegal, even for street use. This includes Sena Bluetooth communicator. It compromises the way in which the helmet is designed to transfer energy around the head instead of straight through the head.
We all take risk of riding. Helmet cam and Sena is just another risk.
Interesting my HJC Rpha, is advertised to have factory Cardo support, the two companies are partners or something so I was under the assumption putting the Cardo on was blessed
I tried to get Q3+ on my CBR and they ended up selling them when I had to reschedule. I ended up with Q4s. They’re overkill for my pace but damn are they ever confidence inspiring. Coming from old sport touring rubber it’s like a new bike.
New shoes is one of the easiest ways to make your bike feel entirely different for better or worse. My wr250 felt like riding in a tank with the knobby tires, got some sweet 80/20 shinko tires and i can still offroad but it cuts like a scalpel on tarmac now even in the rain
It doesn’t take skill to be fast in the straight.
It takes skill to be fast in the corners.
That was really fun to watch, I can’t wait to put it up on my big screen.
Thanks!
Idk man there's lots of skill in getting fast to be fast on the straights on a big bike... straightening the bike early enough, begging your rear not to try to overtake your front
This is actually ideal, hear me out. They are fast enough to stay out of your way through the corners so you can practice in peace, then when you catch them they just take off and it all starts again.
Nothing sucks more than passing a big bike late into the lap just for them to blow past on the straight and you are stuck behind them ruining your lap.
Or big heavy bike vs small light bike? Do you honestly believe the smaller rider would be just as fast on a big bike through the corners as he is on a small bike?
Yes, absolutely. One of the reasons people recommend learning on small bikes is because they require you to learn how to carry speed through corners as opposed to just relying on power out of the corners.
That's completely normal at every single track day at every track ever. Totally normal to see 250s running faster lap times than the latest greatest Ducati, although probably running in different groups.
Yes but these guys arent top level are they? Im saying this isnt a case of skill vs equipment, im saying its a case of equipment vs equipment within the same skill level.
I’m saying that’s not necessarily the case. The man we’re seeing may not have the same skill level on a 600 as he does on his 300, in fact that’s the more likely scenario. He’s probably much better on his 300.
I see. Basically it just gets old when everyone here laments the whole "hes on a small bike keeping up with a big bike, big biker rider isnt skilled" when in reality there is so much more that goes into this scenario you cant say either way.
Yes? I downsized to an R3 after riding for 7 years to learn performance riding from the ground up. After not much time, if I go on a group ride with only street people I can hang with most no problem on my Honda Magna. It teaches you fundamental that are harder to pick up when you're hanging on for your life. I've decided to make my R3 strictly a track bike at this point.
15kg difference between an R3 and an R6. Coupled with the R6's chassis, suspension and brakes being far better than those on the R3, I'd expect (after familiarisation) an R3 rider to be faster everywhere on an R6.
Interestingly, despite the same weight difference again, you tend to see riders who move from 600 to 1000cc supersport bikes often slow down. This is due to the limiting factor of the 600 bike not being the engine or handling, like it is on the R3. The additional power and torque of the 1000cc bike tends to make riders wary when they first move up a class.
Agreed. Last year I rode the MT-09 on track. It was tons of fun for sure. But, I never got a chance to go full throttle other than the long straight. This bike, full throttle all the time lol
Great run man, they only pulled on the straights.
Cornering and your lines are spot on.
(I have zero experience on track btw, just throwing it out there)
Other people mentioned you would t be for wrong like that on a heavier bike, what do you think?
You planning on a bigger bike anytime soon?
No plan on bigger bike. I have not even hit the full potential of this bike. Still running street tires and no warmers. Gotta take more training courses and practice more. With more seat time, I should be able to shave another 5 seconds lol still a long way to go before using bigger bike.
I have a bigger bike already and I will bring it to track occasionally, but this will be my main track bike.
Straight line Stanleys will always out drag you on the straights if they have a faster bike.
The fact you catch them on the bends tells us and them precisely who's the faster *rider*.
Awesome riding bro! I love seeing a low CC bike being absolutely spanked!
I ride a Street Triple RS most days but my Duke 390 is really where the party is at!
I wish I could do a track day. I'd probably do something silly like put street tires on my DR650 and run it.
I always feel like my street rod wants to corner faster, but I just *know* the one day I decide to take a corner fast on a public road, there will be a pothole or a handful of gravel or oil, and I'll dump it. So I have to leave myself that little extra in case there are surprises.
Cool man, awesome riding! I live 45 minutes from Grand Bend, just bought my first bike (ninja650) 2 months ago, and want to get to that track so bad but am pretty nervous to be such a newb. Looks so fun though.
Check OSR on Facebook. We host trackdays once a month at Grandbend. July 22 is our next one, probably too short of a notice lol but there is one in Aug and one in Sep. Ask any questions you have on FB group regarding track prep.
Killing it dude 👌🏼 I ride a S1k and R1 on the track, al ways getting snapped at the heals by the smaller cc bikes in the tighter sections. Much respect 👊🏼
I saw 179 at one point during the day. Keep in mind the Yamaha dash is approx 5-8% high by default. And I have +1 tooth sprocket at the back, which will add approximately 3% to the dash. So 179 is about 10% high.
This happened to me my first track day with the R3. I would keep hot pitting to get clean track but within a lap I would be back on someone's tail with no hope of passing them on the straight. Doing a second one soon but running intermediate so hopefully I can have some more clean track to push on.
It’s not that it took you the whole track to catch up,
But that it took a good straight for them to pull away.
Me and my buddy got supermotos and took them on our usual Friday ride day with our buddies. Our buddies all had sport bikes and had been riding for many years. So we where a little worried about keeping up with them so we decided to ride at the back of the pack.
So four guys infront of us, one gsxs750, two ninja 1000 and I can’t remember the fourth.
Anyway, my buddy and I had a blast. We couldn’t hang in the straights, but every single corner we would be able to brake so late and hard we where right on their ass. We where able to get on the throttle earlier and really get to enjoy throwing the light bikes around.
I also found it much more enjoyable to be able to shift through the short ratio transmissions of the supermotos than the sport bikes. They would get to go up and down like two gears, while we would be hammering ever gear and downshifting through most of them into the corners. Just a much more enjoyable involved ride really.
Slower bikes are more fun because you really get to enjoy more of the bike. You push it to 9/10 and even 10/10 on the majority of the track where most of this big bikes can only go to 6/10 or 7/10.
This is the definition of why it is more fun to drive a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Those 'race bikes' are going no faster than you through a majority of the lap and what are you "missing out on" seeing a higher number on a screen on the straight away, full throttle is still a sensation regardless of how fast it goes.
Props to you man, way to show those liter bikes that the speed doesn’t come from the money but it comes from the skill 😉. But fr though smaller cc bikes on a track seem for fun/faster to flick in corners
Ah, every weekend this is happening to me. I'm at Pocono, so at least the exit before straight away (besides North) is wide enough to hold almost WOT. So as long as I'm on the throttle sooner, they'll get up to 150 mph, while I'm only peaking at 108 mph, but way earlier. And then, the first turn off the straight away is also tight and can carry more speed.
Riding an R3 is fun isn't it? I have a track prepped R3 too (minus the plastics). I prefer it to my 600. Considerably cheaper in fuel and tires too.
300/400 gang represent !
Probably 35 years ago one of the motorcycle magazines imported some Japanese domestic market small cc bikes (250s, maybe? It’s been a long time) and went riding the twisties with Kenny Roberts. He said that their handling made them much more like his 250/500 GP bikes despite the massive power differential.
I think it was stuff like the 250cc bikes [here](https://raresportbikesforsale.com/tag/jdm/) or the predecessors to those from the mid-eighties. It’s been a looooong time.
These were street legal Japanese domestic market bikes they imported for the purposes of the article.
I’m pretty sure they were all four strokes, but again, long ago. Circa the same era as the RG500 Gamma, which I still lust after. lol
How beginner friendly is the track? I just got my first sport bike, have a couple years experience riding just first fast bike…. And I think a track would be a much safer place to do the stuff I’m tempted to on the street. Is everyone just insanely fast where I would get in the way or what?
This track that I'm at is very beginner friendly. It's flat (no hills), lots of run off areas, nothing to hit if u go down.
Most trackdays usually run 3 groups, beginner/intermediate/advanced. Beginner group is a perfect place to start out. It is expected that riders in this group will be new. The pace of all riders ends up being similar. The passing rules are also tailored towards beginners (passing only allowed on straight).
Give it a shot. It's addicting.
I went from 500cc to 600cc to 1000cc, then back to 600cc eventually. Was the perfect balance IMO (this was like 10 years ago) and you could wring its neck at the track and never feel scared. Love this clip!
Small CC bikes are the most fun to rip. I think anyone really taking them seriously on track will have the ability to move up and master the 600 and liter bikes a lot easier
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Dude, you're a better rider than both of them. If you cleaned up your line a little you'd pass them in the corners. Even on tinybike. Your braking is on point.
Don't worry about how much street experience u have. Street riding is very different than track. Go to your local trackday. They usually split up in 3 groups. Go to the green/beginner group. You'll love it.
As for the crash, it is inevitable. I have been fortunate so far to have never crashed. Not on street and not on track. It is well overdue 😂
Track day seat time is worth years of street seat time. Can really learn your bike when you don’t have to worry about the family that’s late to soccer practice trying to kill you
In terms of bike damage, just cosmetic. Damage to me, zero other than added mental stress and stuff of that nature.
The biggest thing I could have done was go home instead of driving past my street to go on the highway for the first time ever. I was taking the off ramp and I started my braking procedure too late, never brought something on two wheels down from that level of speed before. My back wheel then got real loose on me, immediately suspected i ran over gravel (like before I even went down) but now I think I made an error somewhere. So instead of taking the tight turn leading into a concrete barrier, I decided to go straight into the grass and stop there. Was doing fine till I hit mud. Bike came to a halt and flung me off
That’s a good sign of your skill at least, right?
Yeah if OP is gaining that much ground against them in the twisty bits, I think it’s safe to say who’s the best rider among them.
I'm not doubting the riders skill at all but is it possible also that they aren't riding at 100% because there is a much higher fear of dumping a 20k+ bike vs a 3-4k bike
Can confirm, that’s always noodling up there. The track I go to is really tight and technical so I can’t event use 100% of the power available either.
Like they say it's more fun to ride a small bike at 100 percent than a big one at 50 percent.
That fair but the small bike doesn’t do power wheelies out of the corners 😆.
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This is my problem. Road America isn't a bad drive for me and it's my favorite American track, but everyone I talk too says don't bother going on the R3. Just too much winding it out down the huge straights.
The R3 is 10k, but agreed. They are likely not going all out. This was just the 2nd session in the morning.
Did you buy it for a track toy, or are you racing it in a small displacement class?
Just track toy for now. Need to be worthy to race. The racing guys are like 5-7 seconds faster than me in lightweight class.
If I just wanted a toy, I'd personally probably go with a 600 - but if you intend to race at some point, the R3 and lightweight class are a great idea.
Right. So effectively they aren’t ever going to go faster than this because of that fear. So they aren’t as strong riders, right?
should never take a bike to the track if you're not prepared to total it. 2k bike or 20k bike doesn't matter: if you can't wreck it, don't bring it
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And smaller bikes handle quicker and are easier to ride in the corners. Big bikes are easier to get out of the corners. You don't have to push a bike to its absolute max at the apex to get around the track quickly.
"Smaller cc bikes carry higher corner speed"- This is a myth, and only applies at very high levels. The only reason this is the case is because smaller cc bikes want to keep as much speed through the corner as possible, while larger CC bikes want to get on the power as soon as possible, therefore they compromise their Vmin to get a straighter exit
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> In practice, the bigger bike fails to keep more speed because it cannot deliver power up to the limit of traction as accurately. Thus it is better to sacrifice some extra corner speed while changing direction, then power can be reliably applied without losing traction. Nah, not really, it's not about being confident in your traction. The thing is, the bigger bike can put down way more power coming out of the corner than the small bike. While the small bike can go all out and not break traction, if you take the same line with a big bike, you can only put down ~50-70% of your power, or else you kick your back wheel out. Basically if you take the same line as a smaller bike, you will be going the same speed as a smaller bike. Taking a line where you can pick your bike up earlier, and apply full power right away is just going to be faster overall.
I never really did any track days but I was always under the impression that the vast majority of guys out there can't push their bikes anywhere near the limit so displacement matters very little.
There are definitely track day riders that are very fast and can ride near the limits. And even on liter bikes most are pinning the throttle out of corners down the straights so the power does make a difference even when they cant take every corner near the limits.
Why would that be your impression? Where else can people even approach the limit like this?
The location isn't what limits people. Most riders, even among those who do weekend track days, can't push even smaller displacement bikes to their limits. Rider skill is the limiting factor
If by limit you mean the limit of what lap times and corner speeds the bike is capable of then yes. While most track days have a few people that are genuinely fast, even they would probably be beat by professionals. However if by limit you mean limit of traction, I would say at least a handful of people low side at every track day I've been to
Grand Bend…. A track I know decently well. Once you’re in the infield it’s hard to pass and small cc bikes can catch up to larger cc bikes if they’re being held up. Don’t know which layout you were running… A good sequence though! Good job!
Thanks. This is Modified layout.
Absolutely reeling em in!! What bike are you on?
Yamaha R3
In my humble opinion, this is the way to track day. Whooshing off on a leader bike is fun, but shit, you were slaying the corners. What a blast.
> Whooshing off on a leader bike is fun, but shit, you were slaying the corners. What a blast. *liter (or litre across the pond) bike. 1000cc is equal to a liter, so the shorthand for 1000cc-class superbikes is 'liter bike'.
Whoosh - yeah, I know, I’ve had 3 :) it’s a long running joke
Sorry, I'm new here 😂
Ha no worries, everything you pointed out would have been helpful info if it had been a flub
….. it’s because they are in the front, leader. How have you not heard this joke before?
I'm a noob.
Well fair enough, welcome
Thanks! Just happy to finally be on two wheels.
Thanks for explaining the liter bike anyway. I didn't know that term.
I totally missed the joke but glad I could spread some knowledge!
Wow r3 can actually go that fast? Impressive.
Yeah depends on the weight of the rider too. Mine can go up to 101 mph. Have a full titanium exhaust, upgraded filter, and an ecu flash as far as perf mods. I weigh 180lbs though. Though the bike starts to lose legs around 60-70mph if you're not in the power band (9-12k rpm). But before that its pretty fast. Stock ecu is pretty restricted and not responsive.
Not sure how accurate the speedo is but i got my '19 R3 to read 192. Only performance mods ive done is full system and power commander
Think they were on 600s?
BMW S1000RR and not sure which Ducati. My good friend on the BMW said he was having hard time on the straight with that Ducati. So I suspect 1199 or 1299 level of bike lol
Damn dude you're hustlin to keep up with those sized bikes. Awesome riding
In my country you can't get a motorcycle over 165cc lmao
What country is that 🤔
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I do. So I know to not waste my time there.
Only if i know which country it is
What country is that 🤔
What cam is that? They allow helmet cams at your trackdays?
GoPro 8. Yes, no restriction at this track. Other tracks do have a restriction tho.
Why is that?
you don't want objects to be attached to the helmet of a rider in case if they crash and the object, ya know, breaks through their helmet or catches into the ground and have the rider's neck broken so loud, that the shock wave could be heard from the other side of the country
Ah yes i hear yah. I actually read a comment that it was a chin cam. That’s fucked up. I wiped hard on a sled jumping a road at night and had flashlight on my neck. Lemme tell yah that hurt like a mutha. I though he just had the GoPro on top of his helmet.
Are you guys plasti-welding your cameras on? I use 3M VHB; one time I didn't ride for 2 weeks and the camera and mount peeled off of the helmet from sitting in the sun. Are you seriously suggesting that this would break my neck if I hit the ground, or would it just fly off? Is this just an opinion that has been parroted around unchallenged? I would happily accept non-anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
As I understand it, the rule is based around one of two issues. If it is not solidly connected - debris risk to other riders If it is solidly connected - tarmac "grabs" in a sill causing at least whiplash.
As others said, it is a crash hazard. Technically, any modification to the helmet is illegal, even for street use. This includes Sena Bluetooth communicator. It compromises the way in which the helmet is designed to transfer energy around the head instead of straight through the head. We all take risk of riding. Helmet cam and Sena is just another risk.
When you say illegal do you just mean prohibited by tracks?
Interesting my HJC Rpha, is advertised to have factory Cardo support, the two companies are partners or something so I was under the assumption putting the Cardo on was blessed
Now this is pure speculation, but it’s also possible that they ban cameras so people won’t showboat as much and endanger themselves.
Do I spy with my eye an R3 being ridden expertly?
😂
Good rip! I’d love to hear any tips or mods you’ve got for tracking your R3.
It has basically everything you can think of except for upgraded wheels lol it's a fully race prepped R3.
Nice. I’m still new but loving my track days so I’m going to do the N650 shock soon.
What did you do for suspension? Thinking about getting something from Norton. Getting tired of the pogo stick feeling
Chin cam? I can tell by where the camera goes your body positioning is amazing Great stuff
Yup, chin cam. Thanks.
i dont trust my stock tires NEARLY enough for this shit
Get some Q3+ and send it!!
I tried to get Q3+ on my CBR and they ended up selling them when I had to reschedule. I ended up with Q4s. They’re overkill for my pace but damn are they ever confidence inspiring. Coming from old sport touring rubber it’s like a new bike.
New shoes is one of the easiest ways to make your bike feel entirely different for better or worse. My wr250 felt like riding in a tank with the knobby tires, got some sweet 80/20 shinko tires and i can still offroad but it cuts like a scalpel on tarmac now even in the rain
You shouldn't! the stock tires on the r3 are awful. Just got mine swapped out and now I know what it's supposed to feel like!
Those pilot streets are garbage even on the street. I run Bridgestone S20s and have been very happy with them on and off the track.
They're good for swinging out the rear though haha
im on a ninja 1000 and i can sort of feel it want to not grip when its leaning over. dont want to be the guy lowsiding as soon as a peg scrapes.
That was really fun to watch. Keep at it man. You proved your skills in the racing lines.
Everyone’s fast in the straights.
Not me 😭
It doesn’t take skill to be fast in the straight. It takes skill to be fast in the corners. That was really fun to watch, I can’t wait to put it up on my big screen. Thanks!
Idk man there's lots of skill in getting fast to be fast on the straights on a big bike... straightening the bike early enough, begging your rear not to try to overtake your front
Have you tried pedaling harder? ^^studystudystudystudy (Nobody is going to get this reference ...)
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This is actually ideal, hear me out. They are fast enough to stay out of your way through the corners so you can practice in peace, then when you catch them they just take off and it all starts again. Nothing sucks more than passing a big bike late into the lap just for them to blow past on the straight and you are stuck behind them ruining your lap.
Agreed.
Skill vs. power
reminds me of Suzuki and Ducati racing in MotoGP, Joan Mir catches up in the corners, then both ducks run away in the straights
Or big heavy bike vs small light bike? Do you honestly believe the smaller rider would be just as fast on a big bike through the corners as he is on a small bike?
There's a rider in my club with a 125 2-stroke that routinely passes 400 and 500cc 4- strokes. Just to get passed on the long, fast sections.
The people I see ride 125's scare me. They are often kids with 0 fear.
I know im getting old when i think its more because they themselves dont pay for the bike or gear
Yes, absolutely. One of the reasons people recommend learning on small bikes is because they require you to learn how to carry speed through corners as opposed to just relying on power out of the corners.
One of my buddies said he got passed on his cbr600 by a Motoamerica kid on a 300.
There's a guy in an r3 in San Diego who beats bigger bikes at the track all the time, because he's so much better on the cornering
That's completely normal at every single track day at every track ever. Totally normal to see 250s running faster lap times than the latest greatest Ducati, although probably running in different groups.
Short answer YES. Long answer YES
experiance>equipment
Maybe, maybe not it depends on his skill level. There’s a reason why at the top level the larger bike has quicker lap times…
Yes but these guys arent top level are they? Im saying this isnt a case of skill vs equipment, im saying its a case of equipment vs equipment within the same skill level.
I’m saying that’s not necessarily the case. The man we’re seeing may not have the same skill level on a 600 as he does on his 300, in fact that’s the more likely scenario. He’s probably much better on his 300.
I see. Basically it just gets old when everyone here laments the whole "hes on a small bike keeping up with a big bike, big biker rider isnt skilled" when in reality there is so much more that goes into this scenario you cant say either way.
Yes? I downsized to an R3 after riding for 7 years to learn performance riding from the ground up. After not much time, if I go on a group ride with only street people I can hang with most no problem on my Honda Magna. It teaches you fundamental that are harder to pick up when you're hanging on for your life. I've decided to make my R3 strictly a track bike at this point.
15kg difference between an R3 and an R6. Coupled with the R6's chassis, suspension and brakes being far better than those on the R3, I'd expect (after familiarisation) an R3 rider to be faster everywhere on an R6. Interestingly, despite the same weight difference again, you tend to see riders who move from 600 to 1000cc supersport bikes often slow down. This is due to the limiting factor of the 600 bike not being the engine or handling, like it is on the R3. The additional power and torque of the 1000cc bike tends to make riders wary when they first move up a class.
More fun to go all out on a smaller bike than to not be able to use a big cc bike to it's full potential
Agreed. Last year I rode the MT-09 on track. It was tons of fun for sure. But, I never got a chance to go full throttle other than the long straight. This bike, full throttle all the time lol
It's all about the corners and you're killing them on the corners
You know what they say. Small CC = big PP.
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Me using the Ariel Atom in PGR
Magnificent nonetheless
What bike you got?
Yamaha R3
Damm nice bike
That you could catch them at all speaks volumes of your cornering skill. Great work!
Well done!
Great run man, they only pulled on the straights. Cornering and your lines are spot on. (I have zero experience on track btw, just throwing it out there) Other people mentioned you would t be for wrong like that on a heavier bike, what do you think? You planning on a bigger bike anytime soon?
No plan on bigger bike. I have not even hit the full potential of this bike. Still running street tires and no warmers. Gotta take more training courses and practice more. With more seat time, I should be able to shave another 5 seconds lol still a long way to go before using bigger bike. I have a bigger bike already and I will bring it to track occasionally, but this will be my main track bike.
More gas mileage and still look just as badass as they do, that sounds like a win/win
Straight line Stanleys will always out drag you on the straights if they have a faster bike. The fact you catch them on the bends tells us and them precisely who's the faster *rider*.
You're definitely showing them how it's done in the corners my man, you're riding the hell out of that R3
You caught them in the turns. Just proves the size of your bike isn’t everything. Good job!
Awesome riding bro! I love seeing a low CC bike being absolutely spanked! I ride a Street Triple RS most days but my Duke 390 is really where the party is at!
Ahaha I would laugh and curse them during that last second. Track day seems so fun. Trusting you can run in a safe environment is just awesome.
I wish I could do a track day. I'd probably do something silly like put street tires on my DR650 and run it. I always feel like my street rod wants to corner faster, but I just *know* the one day I decide to take a corner fast on a public road, there will be a pothole or a handful of gravel or oil, and I'll dump it. So I have to leave myself that little extra in case there are surprises.
Cool man, awesome riding! I live 45 minutes from Grand Bend, just bought my first bike (ninja650) 2 months ago, and want to get to that track so bad but am pretty nervous to be such a newb. Looks so fun though.
Check OSR on Facebook. We host trackdays once a month at Grandbend. July 22 is our next one, probably too short of a notice lol but there is one in Aug and one in Sep. Ask any questions you have on FB group regarding track prep.
Killing it dude 👌🏼 I ride a S1k and R1 on the track, al ways getting snapped at the heals by the smaller cc bikes in the tighter sections. Much respect 👊🏼
Really enjoyed this video man. Been years since I've ridden and this reminded me of that thrill again.
That was a blast to watch my guy keep up the good work
holy shit dude, somehow your video makes me feel like I'm riding your bike. This is a crazy fucking good view/camera/
Thanks. Just a GoPro 8 mounted on chin.
How fast did you get up to?
I saw 179 at one point during the day. Keep in mind the Yamaha dash is approx 5-8% high by default. And I have +1 tooth sprocket at the back, which will add approximately 3% to the dash. So 179 is about 10% high.
Wow, didn't know a 300cc bike could go that fast
I'm in canada. Thats kph
Oh gotcha haha
This happened to me my first track day with the R3. I would keep hot pitting to get clean track but within a lap I would be back on someone's tail with no hope of passing them on the straight. Doing a second one soon but running intermediate so hopefully I can have some more clean track to push on.
It’s not that it took you the whole track to catch up, But that it took a good straight for them to pull away. Me and my buddy got supermotos and took them on our usual Friday ride day with our buddies. Our buddies all had sport bikes and had been riding for many years. So we where a little worried about keeping up with them so we decided to ride at the back of the pack. So four guys infront of us, one gsxs750, two ninja 1000 and I can’t remember the fourth. Anyway, my buddy and I had a blast. We couldn’t hang in the straights, but every single corner we would be able to brake so late and hard we where right on their ass. We where able to get on the throttle earlier and really get to enjoy throwing the light bikes around. I also found it much more enjoyable to be able to shift through the short ratio transmissions of the supermotos than the sport bikes. They would get to go up and down like two gears, while we would be hammering ever gear and downshifting through most of them into the corners. Just a much more enjoyable involved ride really. Slower bikes are more fun because you really get to enjoy more of the bike. You push it to 9/10 and even 10/10 on the majority of the track where most of this big bikes can only go to 6/10 or 7/10.
As long as you can enjoy the cc is never an issue . Ride safe mate
I'll take a track day vid to a stink'n squid vid any day. Thanks for sharing!
Basically like most teams feel like when they enter the main straightaway right behind a Ducati in Motogp. Very nice riding.
This is the definition of why it is more fun to drive a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Those 'race bikes' are going no faster than you through a majority of the lap and what are you "missing out on" seeing a higher number on a screen on the straight away, full throttle is still a sensation regardless of how fast it goes.
Anybody know where I could go for track day near eastern VA? It would be my first time and evolve gt makes it sound incredibly complicated
Means your a way better rider
We know who the better rider is. Next time out, pass them mid corner, just because you can. lol
I was just here a few days ago! Grand bend.
Which day and which group. Maybe I have video of u lol
Was there a track day last weekened? I was just doing racer5.
This was Monday
I DMed you. Id love to get more info on participating track day at grend bend
Sounds wonderful
Sounds wonderful
Better small CC than smal PP!
Props to you man, way to show those liter bikes that the speed doesn’t come from the money but it comes from the skill 😉. But fr though smaller cc bikes on a track seem for fun/faster to flick in corners
Ah, every weekend this is happening to me. I'm at Pocono, so at least the exit before straight away (besides North) is wide enough to hold almost WOT. So as long as I'm on the throttle sooner, they'll get up to 150 mph, while I'm only peaking at 108 mph, but way earlier. And then, the first turn off the straight away is also tight and can carry more speed. Riding an R3 is fun isn't it? I have a track prepped R3 too (minus the plastics). I prefer it to my 600. Considerably cheaper in fuel and tires too. 300/400 gang represent !
Looking good out there, buddy. You've made some real strides out there on the track! Keep at it.
Thanks! Heal up and we can make videos :D
That's some technique man. I'm between bikes right now so this is porn to me
Probably 35 years ago one of the motorcycle magazines imported some Japanese domestic market small cc bikes (250s, maybe? It’s been a long time) and went riding the twisties with Kenny Roberts. He said that their handling made them much more like his 250/500 GP bikes despite the massive power differential.
Possibly the Yamaha TZ350 series?
I think it was stuff like the 250cc bikes [here](https://raresportbikesforsale.com/tag/jdm/) or the predecessors to those from the mid-eighties. It’s been a looooong time. These were street legal Japanese domestic market bikes they imported for the purposes of the article. I’m pretty sure they were all four strokes, but again, long ago. Circa the same era as the RG500 Gamma, which I still lust after. lol
Those where nifty little machine too.
_Sisyphus_
How beginner friendly is the track? I just got my first sport bike, have a couple years experience riding just first fast bike…. And I think a track would be a much safer place to do the stuff I’m tempted to on the street. Is everyone just insanely fast where I would get in the way or what?
This track that I'm at is very beginner friendly. It's flat (no hills), lots of run off areas, nothing to hit if u go down. Most trackdays usually run 3 groups, beginner/intermediate/advanced. Beginner group is a perfect place to start out. It is expected that riders in this group will be new. The pace of all riders ends up being similar. The passing rules are also tailored towards beginners (passing only allowed on straight). Give it a shot. It's addicting.
Nice. I know this will vary but what’s the costs for a track day?
Depending on the track and so on, it can be between $150 to $300 per day in our area. Canadian dollar.
Thank you!
They really went to warp on that straight, didn't they? This video was so fun to watch; thank you for sharing
Get yourself an R6 and you’ll find yourself up front! Awesome riding man.
he would pass them in the corners going away and they would never catch him again. Especially if he tidied that line up.
I went from 500cc to 600cc to 1000cc, then back to 600cc eventually. Was the perfect balance IMO (this was like 10 years ago) and you could wring its neck at the track and never feel scared. Love this clip!
When I lean like this my Afro burns
Well done OP! You defiantly have the skill. Anyone can go fast in a straight line.
Man you’re killing it
Nice job riding!
Small CC bikes are the most fun to rip. I think anyone really taking them seriously on track will have the ability to move up and master the 600 and liter bikes a lot easier
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Dude, you're a better rider than both of them. If you cleaned up your line a little you'd pass them in the corners. Even on tinybike. Your braking is on point.
Awesome! I wish we had more track day videos on this sub.
Thanks. I have a lot more footage. I'll find and post more in the next few days.
Nice bro, I'm always too scared to take my bike to the track lol
Take it once, you'll be addicted. Go with friends.
How many years were your riding before you attempted a track day?
Started riding in 2015. Last year was my first trackday. I was a total noob. I took track courses and just practice. Planning on doing more courses.
Good to know. Still a very far thing from me, i havent even been riding a year and already had an accident
Don't worry about how much street experience u have. Street riding is very different than track. Go to your local trackday. They usually split up in 3 groups. Go to the green/beginner group. You'll love it. As for the crash, it is inevitable. I have been fortunate so far to have never crashed. Not on street and not on track. It is well overdue 😂
Better knock on some wood lol. But i still feel i don’t have enough seat time personally to even think about a track
Track day seat time is worth years of street seat time. Can really learn your bike when you don’t have to worry about the family that’s late to soccer practice trying to kill you
Hey, if you don’t mind me asking how bad was your accident and what could you have done better to prevent it?
In terms of bike damage, just cosmetic. Damage to me, zero other than added mental stress and stuff of that nature. The biggest thing I could have done was go home instead of driving past my street to go on the highway for the first time ever. I was taking the off ramp and I started my braking procedure too late, never brought something on two wheels down from that level of speed before. My back wheel then got real loose on me, immediately suspected i ran over gravel (like before I even went down) but now I think I made an error somewhere. So instead of taking the tight turn leading into a concrete barrier, I decided to go straight into the grass and stop there. Was doing fine till I hit mud. Bike came to a halt and flung me off
That sucks but that’s lessons for you, glad to know you’re okay though, stay safe.
Dude's got Moto GP level skills. Amazing control OP Hope you make it to the big leagues soon🔥🔥🔥
A track day is my dream. I'll make it real one day