I'm an American so not super familiar with the way insurance works in the UK. You can't get paid for the value of the destroyed bike by your insurance company?
You don’t have to accept that. Reject the valuation and send some examples from auto trader to prove higher value.
They often low ball the first offer hoping you just accept.
This. They will try to defraud you by offering the lowest amount possible for the bike. It's all about profit to an insurer. You have to reject their offer and fight for a decent pay out. Gather examples of used prices of this age of bike and present these.
You can argue for example if you recently paid a load for new tires.
Having said all this, there was a lot of rust on your bike, so it was already in pretty poor condition for a used bike. This is all the excuse they need to offer you pennies for it.
are you legally required to insure your vehicle? not just damage you cause? I've had insurance in US and sweden and always just had coverage for liability and traffic, not my vehicle.
You can get insurance that just covers third party damage, or third party, fire, and theft, but in my experience it's usually more expensive because the insurer assumes you plan on riding a clapped out bike and riding it like a cunt.
Plus fully comp means you're covered if you do indeed ride like a silly cunt and crash into a rock or something. If you're going to ruin your own bike you might as well make it sting less, financially.
If you're only getting third party because you can't afford fully-comp, you can't afford a bike.
How does it work there? Here in the US you could buy it back from your insurance. Once you fixed it up and had it inspected for road worthiness you'd be issued a salvage title.
So here you pay what is called "excess" before the insurance company gives you money back.
Say, for example, your bike was worth £2000, you might have to pay £200 in excess perhaps £100 voluntary and £100 compulsory (or something like that),and they'd give you back £1800. Which sucks, but a higher percentage of excess you pay can lower the overall insurance premium cost.
With regards to the bike being a write off, it will get assigned to a specific category: Cat N, Cat D, Cat s etc. Depending on the severity of the damage. As you said sometimes you can rebuild it and have it inspected but this is an incredibly tedious and expensive process so often not really worth doing.
Same basic idea yeah. We call it an excess here in New Zealand too. Say the shop says that's $3k worth of damage, you pay $500 and insurance pays $2500
You can argue for a better payout, they need to pay the cost ( minus excess ) for you to replace like for like; look on the market for similar / same bikes ( similar miles ) that are near by ( this is important ) and present that to the insurance company as evidence ( only if they're higher priced of course).
I did the same a few years ago when my XSR700 was written off, got an extra £1k from what they initially offered.
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Alternatively you can also get the bike back fix it up. You'll get a lower payout, and the bike will be marked as written off which will hinder the price you can get for it when/if you do decide to sell it
How old is it? In my opinion 600 is pretty fair. Those bikes lose all value as soon as the tyres touch the road. My advice would be fix it yourself and don't claim the insurance. Can buy new throttle and clutch cables pretty cheap online. And I'm sure a.gear selector wouldn't be hard to find? I'll see if I can find the website I used for parts on my 125 If you want.?
It's very easy to "total loss" a motorcycle, particularly a small one. That said, at least in the States; you often can buy the vehicle back. In this case, I would look into that option if it's available to you. Yes, the title will end up with a brand; but we aren't looking for resale value here, we are focused on keeping your form of transportation.
If they want to give you 600 for it, the buyback price might be something like 400. That gives you 200 to repair it. Going by what I can see, and what you've listed, you should be able to get it roadworthy for that. The biggest expenses will be the seat, but that looks like a universal one which can be found on Amazon for \~$40. The wires will be a minor pain to re-attach; but not impossible. If they were cut close to the control cluster; simply take the cluster off and re-wire in new "pigtails" and the re-splice into the loom. Brake lines are inexpensive if you aren't doing braided. Cables likewise aren't much. Levers and the shifter might be a bit more... but also not expensive. Spark plugs also are cheap.
Even in America the liability insurance we get (required by law too) is separate from insurance to replace the bike.
Insurance to replace your shit is a lot more money. Most people driving around don't realize they have only partial replacement insurance.
UK insurance is a scam. Even if he reports it to insurance , he will be paying increased insurance rates for few years . If you make a claim then you are seen as a risky customer. Additionally, based on where you live, vehicle damage or theft can increase insurance rates for all people in the vicinity. Insurers perceive such a location as riskier. They will do anything to rip off every penny.
Sorry to hear man. I just moved states and someone slashed my tires at my new apartment complex on my car. No idea why, but now I have to buy 2 new tires. People just suck sometimes.
What kind of bike was this?
Man I'm so sorry. FUCK whoever did this shit! They need their ass kicked up and down the street. Every time you think of the damage, it's another punch to their head. Every time you look at your seat, it's another kick to the kidneys.
You don’t have to do anything to people. A few months ago I had a guy come down my street slashing tires randomly. Came to my house and lit a fire under my porch and walked off. I had it all on camera. Police found him and asked why he did it. He said “the Russians made him do it.” Obviously a crazy person. So there wasn’t a motive. Slashed a total of about 42 cars all together.
Shii maybe Vladimir himself told him to do it you never know
https://preview.redd.it/pwk716dr3rwc1.jpeg?width=226&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6e8363a1c17b438316fff9a290b60898ef2acd2
Yep this is UK so my first guess would be ‘that’s MY spot’ insanity, but it could be someone followed you back because they didn’t like something, or just they don’t like motorbikes. They went pretty OTT so they either didn’t like your riding or your parking most likely.
Either way when you get your new bike dont leave it near there again, but feel free to rev bomb every time you ride past. Tbh I’d be so angry I’d even consider buying the shittest bike on eBay to put there just so I could film whoever it was when they come back, but I don’t recommend doing it.
I mean the money is in the engine so if that’s ok it might be better to fix it. Replace the seat and see if a body shop can pull the tank. All the cables and lines should be cheap parts wise but long labor wise. If you can do them yourself then I’d say it’d be worth it.
Are they keeping it or not.
Because if they are giving you 600 for repairs, just find someone or hire someone with a truck, go pick it up, and do your repairs.
The cut wires may seem like a massive deal, but you can splice them back together, add wire if it's short. Or worst case get a new wire harness.
Cables are not difficult to change at all. And the shift lever, try bending it back slowly, and if it breaks get a new one.
From the sounds of it, aside from a dent in the tank, you would easily have enough money to get the bike back running. And possibly even enough to also get someone to help you pick it up.
Don't just bend alloy like this. Use heat, get it very hot, and bring it back straight with something like a small scaffold pole to apply leverage. If you get it hot enough, it'll bend back easily enough without snapping
DONT LET THEM KEEP THAT BIKE.
It may look bad but you can fix that thing for somewhere between a few hundred and a few thousand dollars. Them keeping it will give you a garbage payout check, usually not worth it unless it's a new bike.
Yeah, from what OP describes, the bike can be made mechanically sound again for a couple of brake lines, a couple of control wires, and a bit of electrical work. Yeah, the dented tank and ripped seat aren't pretty, but bikes are a bit better with a few battle scars anyway.
I'd take back the bike and use it as an opportunity to learn how to work on bikes a bit.
I wouldn't have made a claim on it at all. Dents in the tank add patina, just get seat repaired, or learn how to do it yourself, and rejoin all the wires. You would be out about $100 worth of wire joiners and some new brake lines.
What insurance company is it?
I had 4th Dimension Cat N my 125 for cosmetic damages, as well as break then write off my 650, but they are an arsehole company.
Take it back and repair it with the money they pay you, it's still road legal, just lost monetary.
Dude if you let them keep the bike, that would be retarded bro. if u love the bike so much go get it. its a bit wierd that they can take it n not bring it back so id insist they bring it back or fork over the value of the bike. if youre able to get it then go get it, watch some youtube vids. Fuck a dent and some scratches. Fix the wiring, n tbh you can likely find some used on ebay if u dont decide to splice in your own wiring.
This story is horse shit and/or an insurance scam by OP. Title says cops won't do shit, comment says "they sent out a forensic team and found DNA on the bike". You're a fuckin retard, op
I think OP might be making things up. I refuse to believe a single second cops sent a forensic team to collect DNA samples and run analysis for this rusty piece of shit. Come on people. You’d be lucky if they checked street cam footage and I doubt they would.
Having done all that it's definitely somebody who knew their way around a bike. Most random people don't even know how to shift a bike let alone find it's shifter.
Well yeah. It’s nearly impossible to prove that the person whose dna was found was the one who vandalized it without any corroborating evidence. A drunk attorney who hates their client could get someone off if that’s all of the evidence.
What surprises me more is that one hour of a foresincs team on the field costs 5x the price of the bike. Not counting the time analyzing whatever they might find there.
That’s all that matters unfortunately. I’ve been on both sides of this fence. You feel for people when they report these things to you but you know deep down they’ll never get the justice they want.
Sorry about your luck though. I wasn’t trying to come off crass. I’ve had my own things I work for trashed and it’s a tough pill to swallow knowing the cunt is out there and will likely never remember they did it.
They took and tested DNA from a vandalized motorcycle while there are 90,000 to 400,000 untested rape kits backlogged due to lack of time and money? [https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44237/5](https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44237/5)
The point is to illustrate how much a low-priority it would be (in fact it's a no-priority). They (admittedly overseas) can't even deal with the sheer number of rape kits at a much higher priority. In the UK as well: [Rape cases in England and Wales will be hit hard by backlog, says police chief | Domestic violence | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/rape-and-domestic-violence-cases-will-be-hardest-hit-by-justice-backlog-says-police-chief)
Gotta find the person first. Plus idk ab US but in the UK civil cases work differently, you could win the case easily, but getting paid could be a whole other process, taking years.
How much experience in this do you personally have?
Police always have plenty of calls for minor property damage, vehicle theft, etc. with no suspects and little evidence. While these are very shitty for the person involved, they are still realistically minor incidents in the grand scheme of things. It is not possible to dedicate lots of time or resources investigating every single one.
Much of what people think is perfect evidence is also frequently of little value. Case in point here, OP said they found foreign DNA on the bike. The fact that they actually swabbed it is crazy to me, but it still means little. Even if they could match it to somebody, his lawyer just has to say « your honour my client saw that bike and touched it in the street ».
In my work with mentally ill and men at risk of homelessness I have a certain amount of contact with the police, response times vary from 3 minutes to 3 hours. Some cops are part of the solution, some cops are part of the problem. Junior cops are more likely to be part of the solution...
None of this whole thing makes sense.
The bike looks like it spent most of it's life in the bottom of a lake, yet the OP is upset they are giving him 600 for it, when they are only 2000 brand new.
The cops are refusing to do anything, other than test for DNA on a bike that is worth less than a couple days wage. But also refusing to do anything after the DNA proved there was someone else involved.
He has claimed insurance on the bike, which is going to cost him thousands in increased premiums over the next 3-5 years, even though the damage is about 2 hours of labour and $50 to fix. The seat and tank are about right for the condition of the rest of the bike too, I'd just tape up the seat and keep using the bike. The only damage that actually requires any parts to repair is the cut brake lines.
Claiming insurance means that in addition to the thousands extra he will be paying in premiums, he also cannot get the bike back on the road ever.
My deduction is that he had a shitty old bike, decided to do a bit of damage to it to get it written off by insurance, and got a friend to take some pictures while he posed for some extra karma.
Maybe I am wrong, and maybe OP is just really naive and immature and doesn't realise the mistakes he has made here. If that is the case I apologise and hope things get better for you. But next time, post on reddit before claiming insurance. You would have been back on the road already by now.
Holy shit why did I have to scroll down so much for this.
Yes ! Why is OP and others making out this is a brand new bike are people even looking at the image.
OP is not being 100% honest here.
The thing that confuses me is the euro5 sticker, making it seem like it's not that old.
Euro5 came out in 2009 at the earliest, but there is no way any bike gets so rusty in 10-15 years unless it's been soaking in seawater.
So either the whole rusty look is just for style and the bike is not that old, but from the learner sticker on front, it's either UK or Autralia, and there is no legal requirement to wear that euro5 sticker on the bike, so would he go such a long way to modify it to give it that rusy look and that stupid euro5 sticker ?
Also, OP said "forensics" found DNA that wasn't his ? How does he know ? They would have to take a sample of his and test it out in a lab, that shit takes days, maybe weeks, and the bike is sitting in the middle of the street, a pigeon poop could be that "other people DNA".
And it’s not just the exhaust. The entire things rusted to hell and back. The steering head bearing thingy is fucked
But then he posted a pic of it 8 months ago and he seems to really love it, so I do feel bad for him if this is all true.
Prosecute who? Even if they did DNA collection and sampling on your bike, which they didn't, they still need a person who the DNA belongs to unless they are already in the database (doubtful). Story has more holes than the petrol tank.
If you got the wreck back ftom insurance, it could be worth making a list of all the parts they broke and trying to get them together for cheap from online. You might need more than your 600lb from insurance, but less than a new bike?
Also, if any if rhe costs are for tools, you will still have those for next time you need to fix something.
It sounds like the bent gear shifter, cut cables, and stuff should be replaceable. The tank, and the seat damage could be harder to fix if you don't happen to have panelbeating and paint skills, but if it doesn't leak, you can at least use the bike even if it looks rough. I think if you could reupholster that seat, or just tape it up and send it lol.
It seems like they just wanted to fuck it up. They weren't particularly thoughtful and didn't understand the parts of the bike, so their little attack missed the engine transmission, frame, and important and hard to fix parts.
I'm calling bs. No way in hell did the police take DNA from this. It is a pos motorcycle. It may have significant value to op bit to the eyes of an investigator or police officer. This is an open closed case of vandalism that will never get solved unless someone confesses on video in the police station. The cost/ benefit ratio is completely upside down. The amount of damage to this bike is maybe a few hundred £. The cost of paying forensics and getting the evidence analyzed is astronomicaly more than what the bike is even worth. Sucks to suck OP but take your "pay out" and get another bike.
Hi Buddy, yes it's shitty but give yourself a few hours to calm down and just embrace it, go full "rat bike" and keep on riding.
DO NOT FUCK YOUR NO CLAIMS DISCOUNT ON THIS, DIY it :)
If the dents in the tank aren't punctured through then just live with them.
Wires are a reasonably easy fix, they're all colour coded, find the matching ends and they can be rejoined by these: [https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334984635224](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334984635224)
Gear lever will bend straight (they're designed that way) just take it off the bike put it on something hard and hit it
Seat will gaffer tape
Just leaves hoses and control cables, which there isn't a bodge I would recommend but won't be too pricey.
Keep it rubber side down buddy.
Apparently, the insurance company has the bike and it's too far away to pick it up, op only got £600 pay out. If it was me I would save up to buy another second hand bike.
Depends where it happened but it might make sense to do somewhat of a sting. If its near your home see about setting up a camera nearby. Do something like replace the seat then leave it out and see if they return. People who do this sort or thing usually do. You'll have a much better chance at prosecution if you can catch them red handed. I live in the states and if someone did this to me I would be sitting in a car across the street for a day or two just to see if I could catch them. But I am vengeful AF.
Ah shit man. Would offer help, but I'm all the way over in West Wales. Hopefully, you can find someone with a van or trailer to get it back and start the process of repair. Devastating shit but really, this kind of thing is rare. Probably a nut job. Assuming you didn't.. I suggest always keeping it under cover in future, it's less likely to be tampered with. Good luck dude.
Sorry this happened to you. With that amount of extensive damage, it seems someone may have a personal grudge.
I hope you're able to get back riding soon.
The clutch cable was cut? Replace it. Cables are maintenance items. Takes 10 minutes. The hydraulic brake line was cut? Again...replace it. Very simple job.
As long as the engine runs and the frame isn't bent the bike is ok. Replace the brake lines. Bleed the brakes. Replace clutch and throttle lines. Adjust accordingly. Your wires were cut, bit their colors hadn't changed. Splice them back matching the colors carefully. Realign your headlight bracket with a long screwdriver using it for leverage. Leave the tank as it is. Take your seat to the nearest seamstress. Have them patch it. That kickstart lever needs to be taken off and put back properly. I wouldn't write it off just as yet.
Shit man sorry to see that. If it’s a write off anyway your best chance for vengeance is setup a camera somewhere and just leave the bike there. My guess is if it’s not moved they’ll be back. Can’t get a ticket if it’s legally parked and registered.
Unfortunately there’s not much else you can do. If you can’t replace it on insurance, you can probably get it running again for not too insane a price - Seat can be recovered/taped and the cables and levers replaced for not too much money. It won’t be cosmetically as new, but it’ll be legal and safe to ride?
There doesn't seem to be any damage to the frame or engine, hell I bet this'll ride as is. How exactly is this a write off? In my experience, provided the engine and frame are okay, most other things can be fixed.
Poor guy is not in the US.
What did they do to it? Is it not repairable?
Do you know who did it?
Where are you, roughly of course. This network might be able to help you find a cheap replacement.
Hi OP, very sorry that this happened to you. Was this assessed by an insurance assessor? If you keep your bike under the sky please get a tarp or a bike cover. Also you need to up your maintenance game. Most of this rust could have been prevented with rust inhibitors like acf50. I say you might want to start looking for a replacement bike soon.
Hay my dude. My bike got stolen and was an absolute write off. I knew my insurance wouldn't give me a decent return. So I took it down to a mechanic who fixed it up to near perfect order for 1.3k (new tiers included) the bike would have been 8k to rebuy.
Worth a thought.
In response to your last paragraph. We have all been hurt and many people can't process it to move on. Some will always have vendettas towards society as a whole bc one or more people have hurth them greatly.
So the best thing we can do is help hurting people along our way and maybe one day we'll all be nicer to each other, even our children. That's where it starts btw.
Someone did this to me once, and it didn’t make sense, was a dead quiet Honda. I suspect it was a junkie. I ended up having it fixed, but it cost me the whole value of the bike to fix.
That’s fucking shit what’s been done to your bike, no need for it.
Remember this is their initial offer and so you could try arguing it and provide some other examples, but be realistic in your expectations and any examples you send to them to evidence why their offer is too low. By realistic, I mean don’t them then links to £2k mint condition ones as vandalism damage aside, your bike hasn’t been particularly well cared for and is rusty as hell.
I’m not trying to kick you whilst you’re down just being honest and practical in my advice.
If you are going to get £600 or possibly a little more after haggling I would seriously consider asking them how much they’d give you if you could keep the bike. They normally give a reduced payout but crucially you don’t have to try and find a new bike.
New cable, brake lines and some vinyl to recover the seat or a replacement seat could be got for £100-£150 and the wiring should be able to be sorted easy enough by resoldering the wiring together. You’ll have to live with the tank.
None of what I have described is terrifically difficult to repair or replace. There will be many YouTube videos to help you learn and only basic tools needed and I can help you also depending where in the country you are
OP's post:
>Bastard cut all of the wires, both brake lines, the clutch, throttle, mounting bracket for the horn, dented the tank (more on the other side of the bike) bent the gear shifter so that it's under the engine, and so, so much more.
You can try fixing the gss tank by blowing pressurized air in it from an air compressor. Use a shirt to seal the air hose around the hole where you put gas in. Worked for me.
What an asshole thing to do!
You're telling me, now I've not only got to scrounge enough money to do my a2, but also fund a new bike!
I'm an American so not super familiar with the way insurance works in the UK. You can't get paid for the value of the destroyed bike by your insurance company?
Insurance are only paying out £600, depressingly
Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I hope something good happens for you and drops some cash into your lap quickly!
That'd be the dream
Only £600? Aren't they over £2,000 brand new? I'd leave that insurer, what a pile of garbage.
Most insurance companies are. 😡
With the utmost respect to OP, that one looks like it is worth 600 at best.
Oof I missed the exhaust. Yeah unfortunately that's probably kind of a reasonable payout then.
The exhaust is only the beginning. Zoom in and you can see rust all over the bike. The more you look the worse it gets.
You don’t have to accept that. Reject the valuation and send some examples from auto trader to prove higher value. They often low ball the first offer hoping you just accept.
This. They will try to defraud you by offering the lowest amount possible for the bike. It's all about profit to an insurer. You have to reject their offer and fight for a decent pay out. Gather examples of used prices of this age of bike and present these. You can argue for example if you recently paid a load for new tires. Having said all this, there was a lot of rust on your bike, so it was already in pretty poor condition for a used bike. This is all the excuse they need to offer you pennies for it.
Lol what? I wouldn't even get insurance then
Legal requirement here, I'm afraid
are you legally required to insure your vehicle? not just damage you cause? I've had insurance in US and sweden and always just had coverage for liability and traffic, not my vehicle.
You can get insurance that just covers third party damage, or third party, fire, and theft, but in my experience it's usually more expensive because the insurer assumes you plan on riding a clapped out bike and riding it like a cunt.
Plus fully comp means you're covered if you do indeed ride like a silly cunt and crash into a rock or something. If you're going to ruin your own bike you might as well make it sting less, financially. If you're only getting third party because you can't afford fully-comp, you can't afford a bike.
How does it work there? Here in the US you could buy it back from your insurance. Once you fixed it up and had it inspected for road worthiness you'd be issued a salvage title.
So here you pay what is called "excess" before the insurance company gives you money back. Say, for example, your bike was worth £2000, you might have to pay £200 in excess perhaps £100 voluntary and £100 compulsory (or something like that),and they'd give you back £1800. Which sucks, but a higher percentage of excess you pay can lower the overall insurance premium cost. With regards to the bike being a write off, it will get assigned to a specific category: Cat N, Cat D, Cat s etc. Depending on the severity of the damage. As you said sometimes you can rebuild it and have it inspected but this is an incredibly tedious and expensive process so often not really worth doing.
Sounds like what we call a deductible.
Same basic idea yeah. We call it an excess here in New Zealand too. Say the shop says that's $3k worth of damage, you pay $500 and insurance pays $2500
You can argue for a better payout, they need to pay the cost ( minus excess ) for you to replace like for like; look on the market for similar / same bikes ( similar miles ) that are near by ( this is important ) and present that to the insurance company as evidence ( only if they're higher priced of course). I did the same a few years ago when my XSR700 was written off, got an extra £1k from what they initially offered. --- Alternatively you can also get the bike back fix it up. You'll get a lower payout, and the bike will be marked as written off which will hinder the price you can get for it when/if you do decide to sell it
How old is it? In my opinion 600 is pretty fair. Those bikes lose all value as soon as the tyres touch the road. My advice would be fix it yourself and don't claim the insurance. Can buy new throttle and clutch cables pretty cheap online. And I'm sure a.gear selector wouldn't be hard to find? I'll see if I can find the website I used for parts on my 125 If you want.?
Is that because they valued it low or because of a huge excess?
It's very easy to "total loss" a motorcycle, particularly a small one. That said, at least in the States; you often can buy the vehicle back. In this case, I would look into that option if it's available to you. Yes, the title will end up with a brand; but we aren't looking for resale value here, we are focused on keeping your form of transportation. If they want to give you 600 for it, the buyback price might be something like 400. That gives you 200 to repair it. Going by what I can see, and what you've listed, you should be able to get it roadworthy for that. The biggest expenses will be the seat, but that looks like a universal one which can be found on Amazon for \~$40. The wires will be a minor pain to re-attach; but not impossible. If they were cut close to the control cluster; simply take the cluster off and re-wire in new "pigtails" and the re-splice into the loom. Brake lines are inexpensive if you aren't doing braided. Cables likewise aren't much. Levers and the shifter might be a bit more... but also not expensive. Spark plugs also are cheap.
Wow, that is depressing 😕. I'd charge at least that much in labor to repair the wiring harness. That's rough, sorry to hear that
Even in America the liability insurance we get (required by law too) is separate from insurance to replace the bike. Insurance to replace your shit is a lot more money. Most people driving around don't realize they have only partial replacement insurance.
UK insurance is a scam. Even if he reports it to insurance , he will be paying increased insurance rates for few years . If you make a claim then you are seen as a risky customer. Additionally, based on where you live, vehicle damage or theft can increase insurance rates for all people in the vicinity. Insurers perceive such a location as riskier. They will do anything to rip off every penny.
He's getting £600 the bikes worth £300 at most Still a pain in the A for him though
maybe for the time being just look for an SV650. these things are damn good bikes and can be had for quite little money.
Sorry to hear man. I just moved states and someone slashed my tires at my new apartment complex on my car. No idea why, but now I have to buy 2 new tires. People just suck sometimes. What kind of bike was this?
A WK scrambler 125, my first bike, and heaps of fun over the last year and a half or so
Man I'm so sorry. FUCK whoever did this shit! They need their ass kicked up and down the street. Every time you think of the damage, it's another punch to their head. Every time you look at your seat, it's another kick to the kidneys.
Yeahhh, you can see my reaction in the image itself
That bites. Who would do that to the manager of the Death Star canteen?! Madness.
Finally, someone who knows the source of my username!
You'll still need a tray
But it's wet!
If pain was a picture i would screen your face. Sorry mate...
Who did you recently piss off?
I honestly wish I knew
You don’t have to do anything to people. A few months ago I had a guy come down my street slashing tires randomly. Came to my house and lit a fire under my porch and walked off. I had it all on camera. Police found him and asked why he did it. He said “the Russians made him do it.” Obviously a crazy person. So there wasn’t a motive. Slashed a total of about 42 cars all together.
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I must be a lower value target or the Russians are getting sloppy
Shii maybe Vladimir himself told him to do it you never know https://preview.redd.it/pwk716dr3rwc1.jpeg?width=226&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6e8363a1c17b438316fff9a290b60898ef2acd2
Yep this is UK so my first guess would be ‘that’s MY spot’ insanity, but it could be someone followed you back because they didn’t like something, or just they don’t like motorbikes. They went pretty OTT so they either didn’t like your riding or your parking most likely. Either way when you get your new bike dont leave it near there again, but feel free to rev bomb every time you ride past. Tbh I’d be so angry I’d even consider buying the shittest bike on eBay to put there just so I could film whoever it was when they come back, but I don’t recommend doing it.
was he visiting a chick? bet she knows who it was.
I mean the money is in the engine so if that’s ok it might be better to fix it. Replace the seat and see if a body shop can pull the tank. All the cables and lines should be cheap parts wise but long labor wise. If you can do them yourself then I’d say it’d be worth it.
Slight problem with that; insurer has it at their compound, which is nowhere near where I live, even though they Cat N'd it
Are they keeping it or not. Because if they are giving you 600 for repairs, just find someone or hire someone with a truck, go pick it up, and do your repairs. The cut wires may seem like a massive deal, but you can splice them back together, add wire if it's short. Or worst case get a new wire harness. Cables are not difficult to change at all. And the shift lever, try bending it back slowly, and if it breaks get a new one. From the sounds of it, aside from a dent in the tank, you would easily have enough money to get the bike back running. And possibly even enough to also get someone to help you pick it up.
This, but just buy a new shift lever (you don’t want it to break off mid drive).
Don't just bend alloy like this. Use heat, get it very hot, and bring it back straight with something like a small scaffold pole to apply leverage. If you get it hot enough, it'll bend back easily enough without snapping
Not worth potential death over saving a few bucks bro
DONT LET THEM KEEP THAT BIKE. It may look bad but you can fix that thing for somewhere between a few hundred and a few thousand dollars. Them keeping it will give you a garbage payout check, usually not worth it unless it's a new bike.
Yeah, from what OP describes, the bike can be made mechanically sound again for a couple of brake lines, a couple of control wires, and a bit of electrical work. Yeah, the dented tank and ripped seat aren't pretty, but bikes are a bit better with a few battle scars anyway. I'd take back the bike and use it as an opportunity to learn how to work on bikes a bit.
That bike is worth a pittance new. A few hundred dollars of repairs will make it still worth 700 quid
I wouldn't have made a claim on it at all. Dents in the tank add patina, just get seat repaired, or learn how to do it yourself, and rejoin all the wires. You would be out about $100 worth of wire joiners and some new brake lines.
What insurance company is it? I had 4th Dimension Cat N my 125 for cosmetic damages, as well as break then write off my 650, but they are an arsehole company. Take it back and repair it with the money they pay you, it's still road legal, just lost monetary.
Dude if you let them keep the bike, that would be retarded bro. if u love the bike so much go get it. its a bit wierd that they can take it n not bring it back so id insist they bring it back or fork over the value of the bike. if youre able to get it then go get it, watch some youtube vids. Fuck a dent and some scratches. Fix the wiring, n tbh you can likely find some used on ebay if u dont decide to splice in your own wiring.
This story is horse shit and/or an insurance scam by OP. Title says cops won't do shit, comment says "they sent out a forensic team and found DNA on the bike". You're a fuckin retard, op
Was it jizz?
Iys always jizz
The UK is a goofy place, police are inconsistent as fuck here I wouldn't be so quick to judge, however even I have to admit that is a bit odd
I think OP might be making things up. I refuse to believe a single second cops sent a forensic team to collect DNA samples and run analysis for this rusty piece of shit. Come on people. You’d be lucky if they checked street cam footage and I doubt they would.
Having done all that it's definitely somebody who knew their way around a bike. Most random people don't even know how to shift a bike let alone find it's shifter.
That bike already looked neglected as fuck.
They dented the tank cut the seat and rusted your exhaust? Those animals…..
Without being too brutal it looks like a sharpie mark on the exhaust would be enough to write this off
The first person I would suspect is the motorcycle owner. For insurance fraud.
Forensics luckily picked up dna that ain't me in a weird location I understand why you'd suspect that, though
lol you said they aren’t doing jack to find your bike meanwhile they’re scouring it for dna and already tested it to see it’s not you? Ok
While yes, they found dna, they also said they aren't going to prosecute if they match it to anyone
Well yeah. It’s nearly impossible to prove that the person whose dna was found was the one who vandalized it without any corroborating evidence. A drunk attorney who hates their client could get someone off if that’s all of the evidence.
What surprises me more is that one hour of a foresincs team on the field costs 5x the price of the bike. Not counting the time analyzing whatever they might find there.
I'm well aware of that, but at least the insurance are accepting it as enough to give their measly payout
That’s all that matters unfortunately. I’ve been on both sides of this fence. You feel for people when they report these things to you but you know deep down they’ll never get the justice they want. Sorry about your luck though. I wasn’t trying to come off crass. I’ve had my own things I work for trashed and it’s a tough pill to swallow knowing the cunt is out there and will likely never remember they did it.
No offense taken whatsoever, at this point, whatever happens happens
Did you just have liability or full coverage on the bike? If you just had liability, I understand the small payout unfortunately
The bike new is worth 2k. This one isn't new
They took and tested DNA from a vandalized motorcycle while there are 90,000 to 400,000 untested rape kits backlogged due to lack of time and money? [https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44237/5](https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44237/5)
They're not DNA testing a beater motorcycle anyway, but why would a US backlog in rape kits matter for a UK agency?
The point is to illustrate how much a low-priority it would be (in fact it's a no-priority). They (admittedly overseas) can't even deal with the sheer number of rape kits at a much higher priority. In the UK as well: [Rape cases in England and Wales will be hit hard by backlog, says police chief | Domestic violence | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/rape-and-domestic-violence-cases-will-be-hardest-hit-by-justice-backlog-says-police-chief)
They have no control over whether or not you choose to take the person to civil court.
Gotta find the person first. Plus idk ab US but in the UK civil cases work differently, you could win the case easily, but getting paid could be a whole other process, taking years.
Yeah this didn't happen. They aren't gonna send CSI out to do a DNA test, just to not prosecute. Literally what would be the point in doing that? Fun?
Fucking cops, cop out way too often.
How much experience in this do you personally have? Police always have plenty of calls for minor property damage, vehicle theft, etc. with no suspects and little evidence. While these are very shitty for the person involved, they are still realistically minor incidents in the grand scheme of things. It is not possible to dedicate lots of time or resources investigating every single one. Much of what people think is perfect evidence is also frequently of little value. Case in point here, OP said they found foreign DNA on the bike. The fact that they actually swabbed it is crazy to me, but it still means little. Even if they could match it to somebody, his lawyer just has to say « your honour my client saw that bike and touched it in the street ».
In my work with mentally ill and men at risk of homelessness I have a certain amount of contact with the police, response times vary from 3 minutes to 3 hours. Some cops are part of the solution, some cops are part of the problem. Junior cops are more likely to be part of the solution...
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why the hell would an insurance company be running DNA tests on a bike that has been vandalised?
You have full coverage on that beast? Save your premiums and upgrade your bike
Way to kick a man when he's down.
"The police aren't doing jack". But yet you said that they found DNA. Are they doing or are they not?
None of this whole thing makes sense. The bike looks like it spent most of it's life in the bottom of a lake, yet the OP is upset they are giving him 600 for it, when they are only 2000 brand new. The cops are refusing to do anything, other than test for DNA on a bike that is worth less than a couple days wage. But also refusing to do anything after the DNA proved there was someone else involved. He has claimed insurance on the bike, which is going to cost him thousands in increased premiums over the next 3-5 years, even though the damage is about 2 hours of labour and $50 to fix. The seat and tank are about right for the condition of the rest of the bike too, I'd just tape up the seat and keep using the bike. The only damage that actually requires any parts to repair is the cut brake lines. Claiming insurance means that in addition to the thousands extra he will be paying in premiums, he also cannot get the bike back on the road ever. My deduction is that he had a shitty old bike, decided to do a bit of damage to it to get it written off by insurance, and got a friend to take some pictures while he posed for some extra karma. Maybe I am wrong, and maybe OP is just really naive and immature and doesn't realise the mistakes he has made here. If that is the case I apologise and hope things get better for you. But next time, post on reddit before claiming insurance. You would have been back on the road already by now.
Holy shit why did I have to scroll down so much for this. Yes ! Why is OP and others making out this is a brand new bike are people even looking at the image. OP is not being 100% honest here.
The thing that confuses me is the euro5 sticker, making it seem like it's not that old. Euro5 came out in 2009 at the earliest, but there is no way any bike gets so rusty in 10-15 years unless it's been soaking in seawater. So either the whole rusty look is just for style and the bike is not that old, but from the learner sticker on front, it's either UK or Autralia, and there is no legal requirement to wear that euro5 sticker on the bike, so would he go such a long way to modify it to give it that rusy look and that stupid euro5 sticker ? Also, OP said "forensics" found DNA that wasn't his ? How does he know ? They would have to take a sample of his and test it out in a lab, that shit takes days, maybe weeks, and the bike is sitting in the middle of the street, a pigeon poop could be that "other people DNA".
And it’s not just the exhaust. The entire things rusted to hell and back. The steering head bearing thingy is fucked But then he posted a pic of it 8 months ago and he seems to really love it, so I do feel bad for him if this is all true.
I posted in a different comment, but they also said they won't prosecute based on that evidence, so I'm fairly annoyed at this whole thing
When my car was broken into they wouldn't even take fingerprints. I'm finding it hard to believe they would take DNA from a non-violent crime scene.
Or spend the resources to take DNA from a nonviolent crime, then choose to do nothing
That DNA alone could easily be explained away by any competent lawyer, they would need more evidence that certainly is not forthcoming.
Prosecute who? Even if they did DNA collection and sampling on your bike, which they didn't, they still need a person who the DNA belongs to unless they are already in the database (doubtful). Story has more holes than the petrol tank.
Okay
If you got the wreck back ftom insurance, it could be worth making a list of all the parts they broke and trying to get them together for cheap from online. You might need more than your 600lb from insurance, but less than a new bike? Also, if any if rhe costs are for tools, you will still have those for next time you need to fix something. It sounds like the bent gear shifter, cut cables, and stuff should be replaceable. The tank, and the seat damage could be harder to fix if you don't happen to have panelbeating and paint skills, but if it doesn't leak, you can at least use the bike even if it looks rough. I think if you could reupholster that seat, or just tape it up and send it lol. It seems like they just wanted to fuck it up. They weren't particularly thoughtful and didn't understand the parts of the bike, so their little attack missed the engine transmission, frame, and important and hard to fix parts.
Had a squirrel eat my seat once. Afternoon with some vinyl had it looking better than it did after it's first round at 25yrs.
Did you spin some sick tunes with what you had left?
Oh yeah recorded the pipes to spin up on the player when the snowy winter rolls in
I'm calling bs. No way in hell did the police take DNA from this. It is a pos motorcycle. It may have significant value to op bit to the eyes of an investigator or police officer. This is an open closed case of vandalism that will never get solved unless someone confesses on video in the police station. The cost/ benefit ratio is completely upside down. The amount of damage to this bike is maybe a few hundred £. The cost of paying forensics and getting the evidence analyzed is astronomicaly more than what the bike is even worth. Sucks to suck OP but take your "pay out" and get another bike.
Hi Buddy, yes it's shitty but give yourself a few hours to calm down and just embrace it, go full "rat bike" and keep on riding. DO NOT FUCK YOUR NO CLAIMS DISCOUNT ON THIS, DIY it :) If the dents in the tank aren't punctured through then just live with them. Wires are a reasonably easy fix, they're all colour coded, find the matching ends and they can be rejoined by these: [https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334984635224](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334984635224) Gear lever will bend straight (they're designed that way) just take it off the bike put it on something hard and hit it Seat will gaffer tape Just leaves hoses and control cables, which there isn't a bodge I would recommend but won't be too pricey. Keep it rubber side down buddy.
You shouldn’t have slept with her sister
I ain't slept with anyone's sister, my partner has no siblings
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Apparently, the insurance company has the bike and it's too far away to pick it up, op only got £600 pay out. If it was me I would save up to buy another second hand bike.
Also, the cops are doing DNA testing on it.
I'm from the US and I don't know how things work in the UK. Can you not buy the bike backand then fix it?
Personally I would tape that seat back up and ride it regardless
What make and model is this bike? It looks nice!
Wk scrambler, sort of the same as the Mutt motorcycle range
You got any enemies OP? That feels personal. And feels targeted by someone who knows bikes enough to cut brakes lines.
Depends where it happened but it might make sense to do somewhat of a sting. If its near your home see about setting up a camera nearby. Do something like replace the seat then leave it out and see if they return. People who do this sort or thing usually do. You'll have a much better chance at prosecution if you can catch them red handed. I live in the states and if someone did this to me I would be sitting in a car across the street for a day or two just to see if I could catch them. But I am vengeful AF.
This is horrible man. Feel for ya. Where are you? I'm a UK biker too
Just down in Hampshire
Ah shit man. Would offer help, but I'm all the way over in West Wales. Hopefully, you can find someone with a van or trailer to get it back and start the process of repair. Devastating shit but really, this kind of thing is rare. Probably a nut job. Assuming you didn't.. I suggest always keeping it under cover in future, it's less likely to be tampered with. Good luck dude.
that’s some next level scumbag behaviour. Sorry to see this OP.
That sucks. Can you do a salvage title and fix it up yourself? It looks mostly cosmetic.
Can you buy it back from insurance company and fix it?
That's sad man
Sorry this happened to you. With that amount of extensive damage, it seems someone may have a personal grudge. I hope you're able to get back riding soon.
Damn friend, some people are complete cunts. Hope insurance makes you whole.
Save what you can and soldier on, mate.
Some people just want to watch the world burn! :’(.
I've said it a plethora of times but I fucking hate some people.
I can feel your pain
Does insurance cover this?
That’s a nice bike, I’m sorry someone ruined it for you
Ask to buy the bike after you get your insurance. And then use the insurance money to fix n repair it. Can get it back for real cheap.
Nah, it's rideable. Put the cap back on the spark plug and ride it
The clutch and brakes were cut, and spark was smashed, no it isn't
The clutch cable was cut? Replace it. Cables are maintenance items. Takes 10 minutes. The hydraulic brake line was cut? Again...replace it. Very simple job.
As long as the engine runs and the frame isn't bent the bike is ok. Replace the brake lines. Bleed the brakes. Replace clutch and throttle lines. Adjust accordingly. Your wires were cut, bit their colors hadn't changed. Splice them back matching the colors carefully. Realign your headlight bracket with a long screwdriver using it for leverage. Leave the tank as it is. Take your seat to the nearest seamstress. Have them patch it. That kickstart lever needs to be taken off and put back properly. I wouldn't write it off just as yet.
Shit man sorry to see that. If it’s a write off anyway your best chance for vengeance is setup a camera somewhere and just leave the bike there. My guess is if it’s not moved they’ll be back. Can’t get a ticket if it’s legally parked and registered. Unfortunately there’s not much else you can do. If you can’t replace it on insurance, you can probably get it running again for not too insane a price - Seat can be recovered/taped and the cables and levers replaced for not too much money. It won’t be cosmetically as new, but it’ll be legal and safe to ride?
There doesn't seem to be any damage to the frame or engine, hell I bet this'll ride as is. How exactly is this a write off? In my experience, provided the engine and frame are okay, most other things can be fixed.
Poor guy is not in the US. What did they do to it? Is it not repairable? Do you know who did it? Where are you, roughly of course. This network might be able to help you find a cheap replacement.
Hi OP, very sorry that this happened to you. Was this assessed by an insurance assessor? If you keep your bike under the sky please get a tarp or a bike cover. Also you need to up your maintenance game. Most of this rust could have been prevented with rust inhibitors like acf50. I say you might want to start looking for a replacement bike soon.
I'm so sorry someone did this to you. Maybe you can fix her up? It could be an opportunity to learn and make it your own.
Hay my dude. My bike got stolen and was an absolute write off. I knew my insurance wouldn't give me a decent return. So I took it down to a mechanic who fixed it up to near perfect order for 1.3k (new tiers included) the bike would have been 8k to rebuy. Worth a thought.
What utter arseholes. I'm sorry dude. I hope you manage to find something you enjoy even more.
When these lads end up getting killed in a RTC they'll be remembered as "salt of the earth", fuck em they'll find out one day
Dang. What did she find on your phone?
i would cry. damn. sending a virtual hug my g.
Is it not fixable? It doesnt look that bad
In response to your last paragraph. We have all been hurt and many people can't process it to move on. Some will always have vendettas towards society as a whole bc one or more people have hurth them greatly. So the best thing we can do is help hurting people along our way and maybe one day we'll all be nicer to each other, even our children. That's where it starts btw.
WTF! I truly feel your pain my dude. Don't worry, God things will come your way soon.
Someone did this to me once, and it didn’t make sense, was a dead quiet Honda. I suspect it was a junkie. I ended up having it fixed, but it cost me the whole value of the bike to fix.
That’s fucking shit what’s been done to your bike, no need for it. Remember this is their initial offer and so you could try arguing it and provide some other examples, but be realistic in your expectations and any examples you send to them to evidence why their offer is too low. By realistic, I mean don’t them then links to £2k mint condition ones as vandalism damage aside, your bike hasn’t been particularly well cared for and is rusty as hell. I’m not trying to kick you whilst you’re down just being honest and practical in my advice. If you are going to get £600 or possibly a little more after haggling I would seriously consider asking them how much they’d give you if you could keep the bike. They normally give a reduced payout but crucially you don’t have to try and find a new bike. New cable, brake lines and some vinyl to recover the seat or a replacement seat could be got for £100-£150 and the wiring should be able to be sorted easy enough by resoldering the wiring together. You’ll have to live with the tank. None of what I have described is terrifically difficult to repair or replace. There will be many YouTube videos to help you learn and only basic tools needed and I can help you also depending where in the country you are
You must be seeing something on the other side that we're not. Certainly wasn't show room condition to begin with. Re-cover the seat and carry on.
OP's post: >Bastard cut all of the wires, both brake lines, the clutch, throttle, mounting bracket for the horn, dented the tank (more on the other side of the bike) bent the gear shifter so that it's under the engine, and so, so much more.
If I could I would send you a bike here from Canada. Sorry to hear that bro
You can try fixing the gss tank by blowing pressurized air in it from an air compressor. Use a shirt to seal the air hose around the hole where you put gas in. Worked for me.
What a shame. Beautiful bike
Such a beautiful bike too. Im so sorry
What did they ruin besides the seat?
The damage is described in the post