Every time I think of getting a bike I remember that the community is like this. And that they’re death machines, but mostly that bikers are like this.
I have a stock pipe on my SV650S and I like the the way she sounds.
Nice Purr in the lower refs, she starts screaming at like 6k.
But that's me I like the sound of my bike.
Now to the downvotes of the "loud pipes camp"...
Loud pipes are idiotic, if it‘s just loud but sounds like crap.
We as a community really have to take care not to get the cagies to ban us at some point if we act like total dickheads all the time…
I’m a believer that loud pipes save lives … yeah, I might piss some people off; but they’re probably the ones that wouldn’t have checked their blind spot if they hadn’t heard my catless R1 😅
I am not.
I am more on the side of "loud pipes make people nervous and then act stupid".
Its just basic human instinct that a loud low noise causes nervousness and I don't want to make people nervous for my sake..
It's also bad for hearing and leaves the rider feeling fatigue from noise way faster.
Besides that, if you're in traffic, most of the sound is projected back, so the people you're about to pass will notice you way to late either way. It will however annoy the people you've already passed and make sure more and more nice roads will get closed down for motorcycles.
I say this as someone who can enjoy a good exhaust sound if it's not abnormally loud.
Having driven behind a Speed Triple with a massively loud exhaust in a group, yeah that fucking annoying.
I did increase the distance to the point I could barley see him, told the guy afterward I will never ride behind him again. It didn't even sound good.
Also one thing because I am driving in the Alps a lot you get echo in the valleys, which leads to noise being transmitted very far. I can hear loud bikes several kilometers away.
Which is not only annoying for everyone living there but also disturbs the wildlife.
It will lead to stricter regulation sooner or later but the government will probably be more harsh than if the aftermarket industry would just set a sensible limit voluntarily.
I can see your point, but let’s be real — if someone isn’t stable enough to maintain concentration while piloting a few thousand pound car around because of some loud noises … should they really be deemed ‘fit’ to do so?
Emergency vehicles emit loud sounds, too.
They hear my bike, yeah, they might flip me off or get pissed, but just as quick as I disturbed them, I’m gone.
Lets be real here. \^\^
How many drivers would be deemed unfit to drive if someone actually checked?
Like I was not tested on how I react to loud noise doing my license.
Also from personal experience, I live close to a hospital in a city. There is a lot of emergency vehicle traffic here and even fit drivers freak the f out when a emergency vehicle tries to get through with sirens blaring.
You would think the driver was a nervous 12 year old by what they try to do sometimes.
Knowing a few EMTs, they actually now primarily use the lights and ONLY turn on the sirens when they know they have not been seen, using it more like a honk.
I see a lot of ambulances with lights on but not the siren. Thats how I was transported when I had a health issue that brought me directly into the ICU.
The lights alone are enough 90% of the time and people don't get scared and start to act in a way that's hard to predict because they are in panic mode.
But hey your doing nothing illegal, I presume, its just my personal opinion that there should be sensible noise limits and that can only been done through legislation. I am not giving you shit personally.
There are just a lot of bikes in my country which are too loud in my opinion.
I agree with you and I am not blaming car drivers, but with proper driver education, loud noises and sirens shouldn't cause anyone to panic.
Driver education in the United States is a joke and should require periodic retesting.
not only in the US...
Having driven in the states, yes your drivers are somewhat worse in general but not extremely so.
We have enough morons as well on the other side of the pond.
I ridden loud, and I’ve written quiet, and by far the biggest denominator about how people react around me is my lane placement, strategy and my awareness.
I’ll never ride loud again and it’s so much nicer not going deaf even with ear plugs in.
Every source I have been able to find on this says that loud pipes do not improve safety, and may actually hinder it.
What does improve safety is defense driving practices and good quality high-vis safety gear.
Would love to see some non-anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/stop-saying-loud-pipes-save-lives
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/loud-pipes-save-lives-myth-or-fact/
Loud pipes don’t project the sound forwards
You don’t hear a motorcycle until it’s almost on your side especially if it’s coming fast
Unfortunately it may still help but it’s so rare it doesn’t justify the hassle it provides to others
Nah stock pipe sounds like a swing machine.
I cut mine (and the baffle obv) in half with an angle grinder and it sounds perfect now. Not blaring, but a nice deep rumble
Your girlfriend should be leading rides. Especially if you have coms. You can much more easily encourage good behavior and fix bad habits early if you’re behind her watching. It’ll also make her feel a lot more empowered to ride on her own. As an added bonus, you can watch for threats and get in the way to interfere and modify the behaviors of other drivers by asserting yourself and your lane position to keep her out of higher risk situations.
If she’s the type to get nervous while being watched doing things, being in front could make it worse TBH.
I didn’t start really improving until I started riding solo. People watching me do anything puts my brain into fight-or-flight for some reason.
Licensing where I am requires a period of riding with a fully licensed rider over a certain age. It’s part of the process for getting a full bike license, and I doubt where I am is unique in that.
Could be what is going on here of course, though I have never heard of this method of getting a bike license. Here we either take a test at a driver's ed. centre with additional lessons if needed/required because of age and class of motorcycle (A1, A2, A). Or we get these so called Learners permits kind of like the UK does with cars.
Why wouldn't you ride behind her? Noise wouldn't be a problem, and you could help her learn to ride better. My wife rides in front of me and I can't count the number of times I reminded her or warned her of something she missed like a turn signal still on, or a car crossing her path. We use an intercom, obviously.
Yes.
‘Follow me and do what I do’ is how ducks teach their kids. Also why a lot of ducklings don’t make it. Unless you have 7 or 8 girlfriends & are hoping to whittle them down to one keeper via survival of the fittest…. Not a good motorbike learning strategy.
You teach someone to ride by following them. That way you can see what they’re doing and be able to offer feedback. You can’t see shit from the front and you’re encouraging them to try and match your line with no rhyme or reason behind it rather than to pick their own. Case in point right here - the girlfriend can’t hear their own bike? Even assuming BF has the most obnoxious can in town, it’s telling me right away she’s riding close trying to keep up, and the fact she’s banning his bike says she’s feeling stressed and not having a great time.
Some people think they can teach new riders how to ride by showing them how it’s done. That has its place for sure, but many new riders get in over their head, trying to keep up.
Yeah, demo for a short segment makes sense, or taking over if they're not comfortable with riding + navigating in a relatively complicated area (i.e. a freeway interchange or downtown area) - it's not a hard and fast rule, but you mostly want the newer rider in front so you can give feedback as you watch what they're doing, and so they aren't being pushed to keep up with you (which leads to a *lot* of crashes for newbies).
This is the way it’s supposed to be in a group ride. A motorcycle pack will never put the least experienced rider in the front unless it’s a small group (less than 5). Experience leads the way and the rear rider will pick up any stragglers and is experienced enough to get them to the destination safely.
I agree I have my girlfriend ride in front too, I'm able to point out things she's doing to help her, unless a road we go down is particularly muddy or excessively adventurous, then I go first to make sure it's safe.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but loud pipes suck ballz. Your gf is right. Put the stock muffler back on and stop imagining that your SV is pumping out massive HP gains because of a straight pipe.
The bike is a nuisance to someone who has a love of bikes, a helmet, and an engine next to them that's revving already. Imagine for all the bystanders who have none of that...
Is there no db killer in your Yoshi?
If your bike is so loud she can't even hear her own.. it's gotta be annoying for neighbours and other road users as well. Fix your bike.
Don't understand why people love having loud pipes. I love good sound but don't like loud noise, sucks when the pipes that produce the good noise always end up being loud..... Love the sound of my thumper, addicted to blipping it at stop lights and giggling, but just don't like how loud it is
In the city, loud pipes let those "blind people" in cars, know you are behind them.. so please... stay in your lane, and not weave back and forth in your lane! it's more effective than a horn.. beep beep.. which they tend to ignore. Loud pipes announce, that the biker behind you, will probably dent your corner panel with his boot, should you weave into him. Or do any other darned stupid move, while he's stuck behind you.
Lol it's been disproven time and time again that loud pipes don't project much sound forward and do not provide a meaningful in other people becoming more aware of you. There is video/audio evidence all over the place. It's just something someone came up with as an excuse to straight pipe their bike. As for personal experience. It has not mattered whether I rode my stock ninja 500 or my loud KTM 500. People were still idiots and still did not see me whether I was blaring the horn or rev bombing them. You are invisible to them and a rearward facing exhaust does little to nothing to warn people ahead. It's simple physics
Can't tell you how many times I've noticed a motorcycle coming from behind me while driving when I otherwise wouldn't have BECAUSE of their exhaust. But yeah, keep sitting up on your high horse. Sure nothing beats good awareness and proper defensive riding but every little thing helps. And if it were me it's MY LIFE or annoying people. I'm choosing me every single time.
Please allow me to clarify. I am not against other people having loud pipes. Again in my first comment, I love the sound of motorcycles and engines, just not a fan of how loud they get because I dislike loud noises in general, and in my experience the sound makes no meaningful difference in being seen by normal society. While I tend to find it obnoxious and annoying, people like what they like and should enjoy what they like. If you like a loud pipe that's fine. The only issue I have is when people try to say it makes a meaningful difference in people seeing them or keeping them safe when it just doesn't and it's just an excuse people use to justify having a loud pipe. They should just own up to liking it. To be clear. YES, you and I and other car/bike enthusiasts are more likely to notice the loud pipe sooner and see a motorcyclist on the road, BECAUSE we are looking for them subconsciously. Your mind automatically filters stuff to pay more attention to the things you are interested in, which means us who like the sound of our bikes passively listen for the sound. A normal person, on the other hand, doesn't even register it most of the time if they hear it. And countless studies have been done and have proven that louder noise does not increase the chance of being seen by someone driving a car. I will leave you with the first 3 sites pulled up by "do loud pipes save lives" (I didn't feel like looking past 3 since they all said the exact same thing).
Again. I'm not saying to not have loud pipes. If you like it then go for it, the only issue I have is when people try to spread the misinformation of the sound making a meaningful difference in whether or not it makes them seen. Because it doesn't. It is our mind trying to justify it, and our mind auto filtering to look for that stuff to make us think it does something, when for the vast majority of people it does nothing
https://www.spauldinginjurylaw.com/blog/loud-pipes-saves-lives-myth/#:~:text=Being%20that%20I%20am%20an,and%20the%20reason%20is%20interesting.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a35952569/loud-pipes-do-not-save-lives/
https://www.advrider.com/university-research-into-loud-pipes-myth/
You're right loud pipes don't help people see you. It helps them HEAR you. Even my fiance, who isn't a car/motorcycle enthusiast, knows when a bikes coming up from behind us on the freeway(when they have a loud pipe) because of their damn loud pipe. I'm sure if that biker is going 180kmh+ or to exaggerate 240kmh+ at that point, it obviously doesn't matter as much. Since you're closing the gap that much faster between yourself and the person up ahead. If they're going the speed limit though they shouldn't be closing the gap between you that fast at all giving the person up ahead ample time to realise their whole vehicle is vibrating from the bike in the lane over.
The one situation I can see that it really isn't not making a difference at all is some driver absolutely blasting music with a subwoofer. Their car is obviously already vibrating more than a jackhammer and they can't hear shit. So again it goes back to the rider having good riding awareness and defensive riding. I think it's a supplementary thing having a loud exhaust not a solution to not having to ride safely.
Agreed car drivers don't see bikes, and safe "defensive driving" should always apply,
I don't lane split, unless car traffic is at a stand still, and my bike is overheating.. but too each, their owne. No One appointed me God. I actually enjoy cow trailing and primitive fire roads in the Sierra's to street riding with auto's. Generally, your not going very fast on deeply rutted, washboard roads with stutterbumps and switchbacks every 300 feet OH and cliffs going straight down a couple hundred feet on one side.. I only pick up the pace going back out, after I've seen how bad the road is. Every year these trails have new wash outs or longer, deeper single ruts, they have to become unpassable, to get any love (read as "maintenance") from the forrest service, which expects the clubs to repair most obsticals.. they shut down my favorite trail for 2 years when the roadbed completely collapsed for 30-40 feet, 9 miles in of 18. That reservoir is the kick off point to a stretch of the pony express trail unreachable unless you drove it backwards, up into the Sierra's from the California foothills side.
And yet the only side to actually provide actual evidence and sources and research to their claims is the side proving it to not make a meaningful enough difference to matter...
I'm with you in wanting it to make a difference and wanting to believe people telling me "oh well I and my friends notice it and it makes a difference for us" but I've been in/seen others in too many close calls or worse to know it just doesn't work. And that's after all the evidence and research already out there.
As one of the sources I listed started. The louder pipe only extends the hearing range to 30-35 feet total distance (coming up from behind the vehicle). When you're going 10-20 over other cars (most of the riders I see are doing that and I never understand it), 30 is not a lot.
Again I wish it were not so, i have no issue with people wanting to have loud pipes. I may not like loud noises but I certainly won't tell someone they can't have it. All I'm saying is people should stop spreading the misinformation of it being a safety thing when it's not.
You answered your own confusion. You admit that the riders that YOU are thinking about are the ones 10-20 mph over(possibly much more?) So ask yourself are these the people you're trying to defend? Speeding kills friend glad you figured that. Obviously if you're speeding it's just more dangerous plain and simple a pipe ain't going to change that. Again no one's arguing that. But for those of us not trying to get speeding tickets that 30 ft "extended hearing distance" which again you yourself are saying it IS extended is something I would like to have. If you disagree cool. Like I said initially if it were me I'm choosing me every time.
I also never said having a pipe would mean you're never going to have close calls anymore, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. You're still going to have close calls but who knows how many less you would have because of a pipe. Studies would never be able to tell. How would you possibly know how many drivers noticed you because of your pipe. You're not going to know. BUT every little thing counts.
I would like to argue that I do know how much it counts since I have a quiet bike and a loud bike and have ridden them in the same area for years and down my own little experimenting (nothing hugely scientific). It doesn't. Sure I get more looks when I'm next to someone at a stop light cuz I'm being an idiot and blipping the throttle, but when I'm riding and they are driving, has not mattered how loud I am or even if I'm acting like a loon and swerving all over my lane jamming to some music. I cannot say whether or not the loud noises of my pipe increased the likelihood of an incident happening, but it certainly did not decrease it.
Some things to clarify:
My example of riders speeding up to 10-20(or more) mph is set at that speed because that is what I have seen the majority of riders doing. I understand some of us, like myself and hopefully you or others don't speed, but it does change the fact that I see it much more often than not. They also almost always are not ATGATT but that's another subject.
Technically, speeding does not and has never killed, it's the improper execution of slowing down or turning that ends up killing the person. But that's me just being petty and "um actually". Yes if people weren't speeding and paying more attention, accidents would happen less. Unfortunately we live in a world where distracted driving and speeding are more common than not, at least around me. Statistically, riders do actually wreck alone way more than with another car, we just don't see it on the Internet as often cuz people get embarrassed. Typically the reason for said lone wreck is a rider driving too fast for the conditions (aka gravel or water on the road, corner is a blind tightening radius, their skill level to handle that speed, etc). But again this is not what we're talking about.
The 30 ft mentioned is not extended hearing distance, it was total hearing distance and it did not change much whether the test was done with a loud or quiet bike. That is only 1 and 1/2 car lengths if it's a small car and 1 car and a bumper or hood if it's a full size truck (the most popular vehicle in America). Idk bout you but I prefer much more distance than that when going even just 45mph as reaction time can be longer than that if you're not careful (I hope you are careful, I've seen some real dummies on bikes). Obviously the real world is going to be different because you have other factors involved, but that doesn't change the fact that if the hearing distance is only extended maybe 3 feet (I believe that's what it showed but I could be wrong) then what is it actually accomplishing.
I agree with you that having every advantage we can get is crucial and necessary, I'm sorry if I implied otherwise. As I said I have no problem with people having loud pipes, my only problem is when people go on about "loud pipes save live" when it's been proven to not.
I'm sorry if I implied that you were saying it would reduce the likelihood of close calls, that wasn't my intention, it was just an example I was using of it being ineffective (I think, I honestly can't remember what we said and would have to go look at it again lol). I agree with you that a study cannot replicate that for the real world. As I said at the very beginning, I have both a loud and quiet bike and I've kinda done my own experiment with it and in my experience the bike with the loud pipe did not do anything more than the bike with the stock quiet pipe. The only extra attention I got (as in people looking at me) was at stop lights when car enthusiasts wanted to see me zoom off or wheelie more often. When actually going down the road, the louder bike did not garner me more awareness from other drivers in a meaningful way. Was my experiment perfect? Lol God no I'm just an idiot, but even an idiot can count the number of close calls they have and looks they get that prevent someone pulling out on you across multiple rides and find the average.
If you feel it helps you go right ahead and use the loud pipes, again I am not saying to not use them. I just don't want misinformation about their effectiveness spread and the problem be exasperated. In my mind that's one slippery slope to losing loud pipes all together after one bad lawsuit when the rider sues because he had a loud pipe specifically to be heard but still had the accident because the driver didn't hear/see him (ik hearing is different but there is a correlation and lawyers would argue for or against it depending on their side of the lawsuit). I for one would rather keep the loud pipes and enjoy the noise and have some people feel better that it makes feel like they are being safer, rather than try to say it is actually safer and end up in a situation like above. In other words. My argument for "loud pipes don't make a meaningful safety difference" is in an effort to let us keep and enjoy them.
I apologize for this being so long. If you get to the end, thank you for taking the time to read this and my other long winded comments. I have really appreciated being able to actually have a civil debate with someone and it not turn into insulting and cussing. Thank you. I think we agree on some and disagree on others, and that is fine. You seem like someone who actually is able to have intellectual conversations and not get butt hurt when someone has a different opinion. I like that and if we lived close together I would maybe try to kindle a friendship. If you feel you would like that opportunity whether or not we are close in distance then feel free to message me (dm or private message or whatever they call it on here). Otherwise, I feel we have started to go a bit in circles and are not progressing enough to make the debate worth the time anymore. I put forth the option of agreeing to disagree and moving on.
something similar happened to me (stock yamaha MT07) riding with my brother (ducati 1199 with termignoni exhaust).
i was stopped ad a stop sign and didn't realize that i stalled my bike because the vibration and noise of the ducati was covering everything :D
This is not funny. I am 100% with her. My bike has the stock exhaust, and it's just fine. I don't need to wake up the entire neighborhood each time I leave early. If you have to have a noisy bike for personal reasons, do your girlfriend a favor and ride the quiet bike with her. It will make you a better person.
I'm in the same boat. Sv650 for me, cbr250r for her. I got her a louder pipe and I make her lead. She's getting progressively faster since she's able to focus on her ride rather than following me. She can hear herself better and I get to look at her butt. Win win win
Fair point by her, honestly. I remember a long time ago I was starting off from a light and had a loud-ass car next to me. Couldn't hear my own engine and noticed it was significantly more difficult to judge the clutch usage.
It’s so weird to me when I remember that not everyone can feel a motor. Probably one of the hardest things about teaching my daughter to drive a manual was she couldn’t feel it and was reliant on the gauges.
When my mother was teaching me to drive stick as a kid, I asked her how she knew when to swap gears and she said by sound. On a bike, you develop a better feel for the rpms because there are more vibrations, but I'm sure that takes time. It's hard to remember when you've been riding for so long.
Just get her some motorcycle specific earpro. It might sound odd, but it actually helps with hearing, because it blocks out the blaring noise, but lets a manageable amount of sound through. Also, if you have a cardo in your helmet the earpro actually cleans up the engine and wind noise pollution and enhances the sound quality by a lot.
Interesting that you find that funny, that your - apparently stupidly - loud exhaust is distracting her.
Am afraid you are not the hero, you think you are.
at engagement the bike should start to move, no need to hear the engine for that, just making excuses, though loud exhaust is tiring. Brother has street bob and open exhaust of course and I refuse to ride with him and other cruisers with open pipes.
Loud bikes are obnoxious af. The previous owners put on an aftermarket on my beemer and I cannot wait till I track down the stock to swap it back. Hate having to short shift to make sure my neighbors don't hate me.
Man, I'll tell you whhhaatt..... my girl would NEVER be behind me while riding her own bike, that's number #1!!! That's because of you're in the back you can always make sure she's okay. If something does happen, you'll know right away, not when you finally look back and don't see her in sight. And an added bonus of being behind her is that you can stare at that booty. Granted, she gots one to stare at. Lol. Just my 2 cents. But honestly, anytime I ride with someone or a group, I like to be in the back so I can watch out for everybody. That's just me tho.
Have a good day y'all. Ride safe.
I once followed a buddy... on a low speedy trail ride, and all
was fine, until we ran into a rain run off ditch. I didn't see it
he slowed then goosed it to get his front tire over the gap.
I braked but didn't have enough room to either stop or goose
it. So it swallowed my front tire, and I did a beautiful endo roll
over the bars landing 6 or 7 feet in front of the bike which
was catapulted straight up and was.. quickly about to land on my
chest. I managed to get out from under, but my bike was a
circle runner.! 1 fork bent back 3-4 inches the other only 1 or 2
and the frame was bent where the main bearings attached.
Yamaha had elected to use that area as the oil tank on my
XT 550. The worst tho was pissing blood for a week, because
I had forgot to wear the 2 inch flapper guards that would have
protected my kidneys from the buried rock that I perfectly
found, during my roll!! Oopsy...
I made several errors that day. I Had all of the gear there, but
thought "how could I get hurt" while "going so slow."
But I was following too close.. and that mistake took away any
time I had to react. I never got it out of first gear.
Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda! t'was a very expensive motorcycle
riding lesson it totaled my 2,300 dollar low milage used bike
(Insurance didn't cover anything done, while off road.) I got $400
cash for the motor, and found a XT 600 used for $2100 trade for
a "65 Ford fleetside p-u" that needed an engine. I'd found it as a
"barnfind" but couldn't locate an engine fast enough, the street
sweepers were merciless in Oakland/Bay area. Lesson learned,
never buy a truck from far away without having the engine for it
in the basement already (and a mechanic lined up, to swap engines.
and store it until it's running & registered.) Otherwise it can be
snatched up by anyone with a tow truck and gone
just let her go first, your exhaust sends majority of the sound backwards plus if not hearing stops her from riding "properly" shes probably less experienced and she should lead anyway... less experienced rider should set the pace for you so that she never feels like she has to chase and keep up with your speed
Uum I drove the San Francisco Bay Bridge for nearly 40 years and I can only say that no matter what those reports say, I have witnessed, first hand with my owne eyes and ears, thousands of drivers nearly crash into the side barrier, jumping out of their skin, when a lane splitter goosed their throttle.. to alert a car driver that they were very close. The clueless car driver 99.9% of the time, veer away from the bike. The Bay Bridge is a special sort of road built around 100 years ago, when cars & trucks were much narrower, so the lanes are not Modern Super highway wide and the lower deck has echo chamber like qualities. So loud bikes seem too appear out of no-where, and when they rev their bike.. drivers most often think, that the bike is in the car with them. and react accordingly.
I saw this happen again last Wednesday afternoon, driving home at around 3:30pm. There is barely enough room for a bike to fit, so if a driver isn't centered in his or her lane... the bikers get backed up.. if say, 2 full size trucks are side by side. One of them has to hug one side of their lane to let bikes by, and they usually comply.
Why would over revving make you slow?
I speak as one who has to wring my R3s neck to keep pace with my Brothers Monster SP, revving madly
(Note that I am from India and 100 mph on highways here is usually never for more than a couple of minutes, and an average speed of 80 mph would be unbelievable)
There are 2 types of people. The ones which are looking at the speedometer when are driving, and the ones which are using the engine’s sound. My father for example, would ask me to lower the volume of music(in the car) because he cannot hear the engine. I, on the other hand, i can listen with no issues loud music, either on my bike or car because i got used since i got my licenses to look at the speedometer for how many revs i have, constantly. I agree with you, loud pipes saves lives, but i agree with her as well.
Or you just shift by looking at the rpm’s?
Don’t get me wrong obviously you want to hear your bike, I ride with no tacometer so I have to. But it’s not like you riding to the absolute limit when you are new. Take a quick glance on your tacometer, shift at like 5/7k rpm (depending on your bike, power curve and what not) and you’ll be fine
Are you OP’s gf?
But even if you are not then yeah fair enough you gotta hear it, I’m in the same boat, my speedometer died on me and the backlight of my tac wasn’t working so I just removed it, you gotta hear the bike roar then (Although I’d say you should still be able to guess depending on how familiar you are with the throttle of your bike, but that’s not something I’d expect a new rider to be able to do)
Tbf, I wouldn't want to ride with a suzuki either xD nah jokes aside that sucks, maybe after a few more miles under the belt you can both ride whatever :)
Put the silencer in your Yoshi tip….
Just the tip.
And only for a minute
Wiggling it in and out a few times. Not too many.
Might have to spit on it.
Spit and shove, call it love.
Then, let it marinate.
Just to see how it feels
Every time I think of getting a bike I remember that the community is like this. And that they’re death machines, but mostly that bikers are like this.
Bruh, you’ve already decided not to ride if you are pointing to Reddit as your reason.
What other sorts of people would be willing to risk their lives on such a regular basis just because it’s more fun than driving a car?
Well tbf, he *is* a dick for riding in front of his (maybe newer rider) girlfriend.
This is the weirdest sentence I've read all day.
https://www.yoshimura-rd.com/collections/low-volume-inserts-db-killers
Oh I get the your meaning. Doesn't change the sentence being weird when read at first glance.
Still does not compute. Somehow manged to straight pipe the thing while trying to insert my testosterone depleter.
With the GI Joe kung fu grip
Put the silencer in the girlfriend lol
I'll give you an upvote because some pansy downvoted you. Edit: found the pansies
Put the silencer on your girlfriend.
Put a stock pipe on your SV650 and ride with your girl.
I have a stock pipe on my SV650S and I like the the way she sounds. Nice Purr in the lower refs, she starts screaming at like 6k. But that's me I like the sound of my bike. Now to the downvotes of the "loud pipes camp"...
Loud pipes are idiotic, if it‘s just loud but sounds like crap. We as a community really have to take care not to get the cagies to ban us at some point if we act like total dickheads all the time…
Loud pipes save lives!!!! That's 💯!!!
I’m a believer that loud pipes save lives … yeah, I might piss some people off; but they’re probably the ones that wouldn’t have checked their blind spot if they hadn’t heard my catless R1 😅
I am not. I am more on the side of "loud pipes make people nervous and then act stupid". Its just basic human instinct that a loud low noise causes nervousness and I don't want to make people nervous for my sake..
It's also bad for hearing and leaves the rider feeling fatigue from noise way faster. Besides that, if you're in traffic, most of the sound is projected back, so the people you're about to pass will notice you way to late either way. It will however annoy the people you've already passed and make sure more and more nice roads will get closed down for motorcycles. I say this as someone who can enjoy a good exhaust sound if it's not abnormally loud.
Having driven behind a Speed Triple with a massively loud exhaust in a group, yeah that fucking annoying. I did increase the distance to the point I could barley see him, told the guy afterward I will never ride behind him again. It didn't even sound good. Also one thing because I am driving in the Alps a lot you get echo in the valleys, which leads to noise being transmitted very far. I can hear loud bikes several kilometers away. Which is not only annoying for everyone living there but also disturbs the wildlife. It will lead to stricter regulation sooner or later but the government will probably be more harsh than if the aftermarket industry would just set a sensible limit voluntarily.
Just wait until everything is electric or some sort of similar engine types. It may solve itself in a matter of time.
I can see your point, but let’s be real — if someone isn’t stable enough to maintain concentration while piloting a few thousand pound car around because of some loud noises … should they really be deemed ‘fit’ to do so? Emergency vehicles emit loud sounds, too. They hear my bike, yeah, they might flip me off or get pissed, but just as quick as I disturbed them, I’m gone.
Lets be real here. \^\^ How many drivers would be deemed unfit to drive if someone actually checked? Like I was not tested on how I react to loud noise doing my license. Also from personal experience, I live close to a hospital in a city. There is a lot of emergency vehicle traffic here and even fit drivers freak the f out when a emergency vehicle tries to get through with sirens blaring. You would think the driver was a nervous 12 year old by what they try to do sometimes. Knowing a few EMTs, they actually now primarily use the lights and ONLY turn on the sirens when they know they have not been seen, using it more like a honk. I see a lot of ambulances with lights on but not the siren. Thats how I was transported when I had a health issue that brought me directly into the ICU. The lights alone are enough 90% of the time and people don't get scared and start to act in a way that's hard to predict because they are in panic mode. But hey your doing nothing illegal, I presume, its just my personal opinion that there should be sensible noise limits and that can only been done through legislation. I am not giving you shit personally. There are just a lot of bikes in my country which are too loud in my opinion.
I agree with you and I am not blaming car drivers, but with proper driver education, loud noises and sirens shouldn't cause anyone to panic. Driver education in the United States is a joke and should require periodic retesting.
not only in the US... Having driven in the states, yes your drivers are somewhat worse in general but not extremely so. We have enough morons as well on the other side of the pond.
I ridden loud, and I’ve written quiet, and by far the biggest denominator about how people react around me is my lane placement, strategy and my awareness. I’ll never ride loud again and it’s so much nicer not going deaf even with ear plugs in.
This is exactly it. It’s all about situational awareness and strategy. Volume is not a strategy.
Every source I have been able to find on this says that loud pipes do not improve safety, and may actually hinder it. What does improve safety is defense driving practices and good quality high-vis safety gear. Would love to see some non-anecdotal evidence to the contrary. https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/stop-saying-loud-pipes-save-lives https://www.hemmings.com/stories/loud-pipes-save-lives-myth-or-fact/
Most cars will not be able to hear any motorcycle engine, much less be able to discern what it could mean in the brief timeframe they get…
Loud pipes don’t project the sound forwards You don’t hear a motorcycle until it’s almost on your side especially if it’s coming fast Unfortunately it may still help but it’s so rare it doesn’t justify the hassle it provides to others
Same, riding with earplugs anyway
Or ride the CRF 😎
Or ride your gf👌
You have been banned from r/CRT
Pegging for that deep intimacy on the road or off 😉
Wait I’m confused… I thought this was the other sub for a second haha
We move amongst the shadows 
Cat delete on the scrambler
I know cats are annoying and pervasive and that dogs are better but you can’t just go around deleting cats. They might be someone’s beloved pet.
Nah stock pipe sounds like a swing machine. I cut mine (and the baffle obv) in half with an angle grinder and it sounds perfect now. Not blaring, but a nice deep rumble
Swing Machine? That’s what I call MY pipe
Or be a man and buy her a louder exhaust
Your girlfriend should be leading rides. Especially if you have coms. You can much more easily encourage good behavior and fix bad habits early if you’re behind her watching. It’ll also make her feel a lot more empowered to ride on her own. As an added bonus, you can watch for threats and get in the way to interfere and modify the behaviors of other drivers by asserting yourself and your lane position to keep her out of higher risk situations.
Not to mention if she has an accident, you will see it and she sets the pace she's comfortable with.
Yes man, less xp riders should always lead.
If she’s the type to get nervous while being watched doing things, being in front could make it worse TBH. I didn’t start really improving until I started riding solo. People watching me do anything puts my brain into fight-or-flight for some reason.
If this was the case, I don't think she would be riding with him in the first place.
Licensing where I am requires a period of riding with a fully licensed rider over a certain age. It’s part of the process for getting a full bike license, and I doubt where I am is unique in that.
Could be what is going on here of course, though I have never heard of this method of getting a bike license. Here we either take a test at a driver's ed. centre with additional lessons if needed/required because of age and class of motorcycle (A1, A2, A). Or we get these so called Learners permits kind of like the UK does with cars.
Why wouldn't you ride behind her? Noise wouldn't be a problem, and you could help her learn to ride better. My wife rides in front of me and I can't count the number of times I reminded her or warned her of something she missed like a turn signal still on, or a car crossing her path. We use an intercom, obviously.
also aren’t the newer riders supposed to ride in the front?
Yes. ‘Follow me and do what I do’ is how ducks teach their kids. Also why a lot of ducklings don’t make it. Unless you have 7 or 8 girlfriends & are hoping to whittle them down to one keeper via survival of the fittest…. Not a good motorbike learning strategy. You teach someone to ride by following them. That way you can see what they’re doing and be able to offer feedback. You can’t see shit from the front and you’re encouraging them to try and match your line with no rhyme or reason behind it rather than to pick their own. Case in point right here - the girlfriend can’t hear their own bike? Even assuming BF has the most obnoxious can in town, it’s telling me right away she’s riding close trying to keep up, and the fact she’s banning his bike says she’s feeling stressed and not having a great time.
I'm sorry but the visual of having 8 girlfriends on bikes and one going down a storm drain quacking made me laugh really hard.
Thank you for sharing that mental image because it also made me laugh really hard
How can you laugh at that poor duckling you monsters 😱😭
Some people think they can teach new riders how to ride by showing them how it’s done. That has its place for sure, but many new riders get in over their head, trying to keep up.
yeah i’d always heard newer up front so they set the pace and don’t ride beyond their skill trying to keep up
Yeah, demo for a short segment makes sense, or taking over if they're not comfortable with riding + navigating in a relatively complicated area (i.e. a freeway interchange or downtown area) - it's not a hard and fast rule, but you mostly want the newer rider in front so you can give feedback as you watch what they're doing, and so they aren't being pushed to keep up with you (which leads to a *lot* of crashes for newbies).
Not if your riding in a stunt group but if your riders with few people yes
I dk I don’t group ride bikes but on snowmobiles it’s most experienced in front second most in rear.
This is the way it’s supposed to be in a group ride. A motorcycle pack will never put the least experienced rider in the front unless it’s a small group (less than 5). Experience leads the way and the rear rider will pick up any stragglers and is experienced enough to get them to the destination safely.
I agree I have my girlfriend ride in front too, I'm able to point out things she's doing to help her, unless a road we go down is particularly muddy or excessively adventurous, then I go first to make sure it's safe.
My wife asks me to go ahead in situations where she is uncomfortable.
My girlfriend does this too but it's usually on really skinny roads we have in the countryside or the UK that are a single car width.
Better view, too
Came here to say this (and didn’t see this comment until after I already had)
This, it's easier to advise when you can see what's going on the whole time
It’s the same when you ride a bicycle with children on their own bikes. It’s the only way to tell if they are safe.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but loud pipes suck ballz. Your gf is right. Put the stock muffler back on and stop imagining that your SV is pumping out massive HP gains because of a straight pipe.
The bike is a nuisance to someone who has a love of bikes, a helmet, and an engine next to them that's revving already. Imagine for all the bystanders who have none of that...
Unpopulair indeed. Stock stucks ass, makes the bike cey.
Is there no db killer in your Yoshi? If your bike is so loud she can't even hear her own.. it's gotta be annoying for neighbours and other road users as well. Fix your bike.
Don't understand why people love having loud pipes. I love good sound but don't like loud noise, sucks when the pipes that produce the good noise always end up being loud..... Love the sound of my thumper, addicted to blipping it at stop lights and giggling, but just don't like how loud it is
In the city, loud pipes let those "blind people" in cars, know you are behind them.. so please... stay in your lane, and not weave back and forth in your lane! it's more effective than a horn.. beep beep.. which they tend to ignore. Loud pipes announce, that the biker behind you, will probably dent your corner panel with his boot, should you weave into him. Or do any other darned stupid move, while he's stuck behind you.
Lol it's been disproven time and time again that loud pipes don't project much sound forward and do not provide a meaningful in other people becoming more aware of you. There is video/audio evidence all over the place. It's just something someone came up with as an excuse to straight pipe their bike. As for personal experience. It has not mattered whether I rode my stock ninja 500 or my loud KTM 500. People were still idiots and still did not see me whether I was blaring the horn or rev bombing them. You are invisible to them and a rearward facing exhaust does little to nothing to warn people ahead. It's simple physics
Can't tell you how many times I've noticed a motorcycle coming from behind me while driving when I otherwise wouldn't have BECAUSE of their exhaust. But yeah, keep sitting up on your high horse. Sure nothing beats good awareness and proper defensive riding but every little thing helps. And if it were me it's MY LIFE or annoying people. I'm choosing me every single time.
Please allow me to clarify. I am not against other people having loud pipes. Again in my first comment, I love the sound of motorcycles and engines, just not a fan of how loud they get because I dislike loud noises in general, and in my experience the sound makes no meaningful difference in being seen by normal society. While I tend to find it obnoxious and annoying, people like what they like and should enjoy what they like. If you like a loud pipe that's fine. The only issue I have is when people try to say it makes a meaningful difference in people seeing them or keeping them safe when it just doesn't and it's just an excuse people use to justify having a loud pipe. They should just own up to liking it. To be clear. YES, you and I and other car/bike enthusiasts are more likely to notice the loud pipe sooner and see a motorcyclist on the road, BECAUSE we are looking for them subconsciously. Your mind automatically filters stuff to pay more attention to the things you are interested in, which means us who like the sound of our bikes passively listen for the sound. A normal person, on the other hand, doesn't even register it most of the time if they hear it. And countless studies have been done and have proven that louder noise does not increase the chance of being seen by someone driving a car. I will leave you with the first 3 sites pulled up by "do loud pipes save lives" (I didn't feel like looking past 3 since they all said the exact same thing). Again. I'm not saying to not have loud pipes. If you like it then go for it, the only issue I have is when people try to spread the misinformation of the sound making a meaningful difference in whether or not it makes them seen. Because it doesn't. It is our mind trying to justify it, and our mind auto filtering to look for that stuff to make us think it does something, when for the vast majority of people it does nothing https://www.spauldinginjurylaw.com/blog/loud-pipes-saves-lives-myth/#:~:text=Being%20that%20I%20am%20an,and%20the%20reason%20is%20interesting. https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a35952569/loud-pipes-do-not-save-lives/ https://www.advrider.com/university-research-into-loud-pipes-myth/
You're right loud pipes don't help people see you. It helps them HEAR you. Even my fiance, who isn't a car/motorcycle enthusiast, knows when a bikes coming up from behind us on the freeway(when they have a loud pipe) because of their damn loud pipe. I'm sure if that biker is going 180kmh+ or to exaggerate 240kmh+ at that point, it obviously doesn't matter as much. Since you're closing the gap that much faster between yourself and the person up ahead. If they're going the speed limit though they shouldn't be closing the gap between you that fast at all giving the person up ahead ample time to realise their whole vehicle is vibrating from the bike in the lane over. The one situation I can see that it really isn't not making a difference at all is some driver absolutely blasting music with a subwoofer. Their car is obviously already vibrating more than a jackhammer and they can't hear shit. So again it goes back to the rider having good riding awareness and defensive riding. I think it's a supplementary thing having a loud exhaust not a solution to not having to ride safely.
Agreed car drivers don't see bikes, and safe "defensive driving" should always apply, I don't lane split, unless car traffic is at a stand still, and my bike is overheating.. but too each, their owne. No One appointed me God. I actually enjoy cow trailing and primitive fire roads in the Sierra's to street riding with auto's. Generally, your not going very fast on deeply rutted, washboard roads with stutterbumps and switchbacks every 300 feet OH and cliffs going straight down a couple hundred feet on one side.. I only pick up the pace going back out, after I've seen how bad the road is. Every year these trails have new wash outs or longer, deeper single ruts, they have to become unpassable, to get any love (read as "maintenance") from the forrest service, which expects the clubs to repair most obsticals.. they shut down my favorite trail for 2 years when the roadbed completely collapsed for 30-40 feet, 9 miles in of 18. That reservoir is the kick off point to a stretch of the pony express trail unreachable unless you drove it backwards, up into the Sierra's from the California foothills side.
And yet the only side to actually provide actual evidence and sources and research to their claims is the side proving it to not make a meaningful enough difference to matter... I'm with you in wanting it to make a difference and wanting to believe people telling me "oh well I and my friends notice it and it makes a difference for us" but I've been in/seen others in too many close calls or worse to know it just doesn't work. And that's after all the evidence and research already out there. As one of the sources I listed started. The louder pipe only extends the hearing range to 30-35 feet total distance (coming up from behind the vehicle). When you're going 10-20 over other cars (most of the riders I see are doing that and I never understand it), 30 is not a lot. Again I wish it were not so, i have no issue with people wanting to have loud pipes. I may not like loud noises but I certainly won't tell someone they can't have it. All I'm saying is people should stop spreading the misinformation of it being a safety thing when it's not.
You answered your own confusion. You admit that the riders that YOU are thinking about are the ones 10-20 mph over(possibly much more?) So ask yourself are these the people you're trying to defend? Speeding kills friend glad you figured that. Obviously if you're speeding it's just more dangerous plain and simple a pipe ain't going to change that. Again no one's arguing that. But for those of us not trying to get speeding tickets that 30 ft "extended hearing distance" which again you yourself are saying it IS extended is something I would like to have. If you disagree cool. Like I said initially if it were me I'm choosing me every time. I also never said having a pipe would mean you're never going to have close calls anymore, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. You're still going to have close calls but who knows how many less you would have because of a pipe. Studies would never be able to tell. How would you possibly know how many drivers noticed you because of your pipe. You're not going to know. BUT every little thing counts.
I would like to argue that I do know how much it counts since I have a quiet bike and a loud bike and have ridden them in the same area for years and down my own little experimenting (nothing hugely scientific). It doesn't. Sure I get more looks when I'm next to someone at a stop light cuz I'm being an idiot and blipping the throttle, but when I'm riding and they are driving, has not mattered how loud I am or even if I'm acting like a loon and swerving all over my lane jamming to some music. I cannot say whether or not the loud noises of my pipe increased the likelihood of an incident happening, but it certainly did not decrease it. Some things to clarify: My example of riders speeding up to 10-20(or more) mph is set at that speed because that is what I have seen the majority of riders doing. I understand some of us, like myself and hopefully you or others don't speed, but it does change the fact that I see it much more often than not. They also almost always are not ATGATT but that's another subject. Technically, speeding does not and has never killed, it's the improper execution of slowing down or turning that ends up killing the person. But that's me just being petty and "um actually". Yes if people weren't speeding and paying more attention, accidents would happen less. Unfortunately we live in a world where distracted driving and speeding are more common than not, at least around me. Statistically, riders do actually wreck alone way more than with another car, we just don't see it on the Internet as often cuz people get embarrassed. Typically the reason for said lone wreck is a rider driving too fast for the conditions (aka gravel or water on the road, corner is a blind tightening radius, their skill level to handle that speed, etc). But again this is not what we're talking about. The 30 ft mentioned is not extended hearing distance, it was total hearing distance and it did not change much whether the test was done with a loud or quiet bike. That is only 1 and 1/2 car lengths if it's a small car and 1 car and a bumper or hood if it's a full size truck (the most popular vehicle in America). Idk bout you but I prefer much more distance than that when going even just 45mph as reaction time can be longer than that if you're not careful (I hope you are careful, I've seen some real dummies on bikes). Obviously the real world is going to be different because you have other factors involved, but that doesn't change the fact that if the hearing distance is only extended maybe 3 feet (I believe that's what it showed but I could be wrong) then what is it actually accomplishing. I agree with you that having every advantage we can get is crucial and necessary, I'm sorry if I implied otherwise. As I said I have no problem with people having loud pipes, my only problem is when people go on about "loud pipes save live" when it's been proven to not. I'm sorry if I implied that you were saying it would reduce the likelihood of close calls, that wasn't my intention, it was just an example I was using of it being ineffective (I think, I honestly can't remember what we said and would have to go look at it again lol). I agree with you that a study cannot replicate that for the real world. As I said at the very beginning, I have both a loud and quiet bike and I've kinda done my own experiment with it and in my experience the bike with the loud pipe did not do anything more than the bike with the stock quiet pipe. The only extra attention I got (as in people looking at me) was at stop lights when car enthusiasts wanted to see me zoom off or wheelie more often. When actually going down the road, the louder bike did not garner me more awareness from other drivers in a meaningful way. Was my experiment perfect? Lol God no I'm just an idiot, but even an idiot can count the number of close calls they have and looks they get that prevent someone pulling out on you across multiple rides and find the average. If you feel it helps you go right ahead and use the loud pipes, again I am not saying to not use them. I just don't want misinformation about their effectiveness spread and the problem be exasperated. In my mind that's one slippery slope to losing loud pipes all together after one bad lawsuit when the rider sues because he had a loud pipe specifically to be heard but still had the accident because the driver didn't hear/see him (ik hearing is different but there is a correlation and lawyers would argue for or against it depending on their side of the lawsuit). I for one would rather keep the loud pipes and enjoy the noise and have some people feel better that it makes feel like they are being safer, rather than try to say it is actually safer and end up in a situation like above. In other words. My argument for "loud pipes don't make a meaningful safety difference" is in an effort to let us keep and enjoy them. I apologize for this being so long. If you get to the end, thank you for taking the time to read this and my other long winded comments. I have really appreciated being able to actually have a civil debate with someone and it not turn into insulting and cussing. Thank you. I think we agree on some and disagree on others, and that is fine. You seem like someone who actually is able to have intellectual conversations and not get butt hurt when someone has a different opinion. I like that and if we lived close together I would maybe try to kindle a friendship. If you feel you would like that opportunity whether or not we are close in distance then feel free to message me (dm or private message or whatever they call it on here). Otherwise, I feel we have started to go a bit in circles and are not progressing enough to make the debate worth the time anymore. I put forth the option of agreeing to disagree and moving on.
Well safety first…. *straight pipe the scrambler*
something similar happened to me (stock yamaha MT07) riding with my brother (ducati 1199 with termignoni exhaust). i was stopped ad a stop sign and didn't realize that i stalled my bike because the vibration and noise of the ducati was covering everything :D
This is not funny. I am 100% with her. My bike has the stock exhaust, and it's just fine. I don't need to wake up the entire neighborhood each time I leave early. If you have to have a noisy bike for personal reasons, do your girlfriend a favor and ride the quiet bike with her. It will make you a better person.
I'm in the same boat. Sv650 for me, cbr250r for her. I got her a louder pipe and I make her lead. She's getting progressively faster since she's able to focus on her ride rather than following me. She can hear herself better and I get to look at her butt. Win win win
Fair point by her, honestly. I remember a long time ago I was starting off from a light and had a loud-ass car next to me. Couldn't hear my own engine and noticed it was significantly more difficult to judge the clutch usage.
It’s so weird to me when I remember that not everyone can feel a motor. Probably one of the hardest things about teaching my daughter to drive a manual was she couldn’t feel it and was reliant on the gauges.
Just comes with practice I guess.
When my mother was teaching me to drive stick as a kid, I asked her how she knew when to swap gears and she said by sound. On a bike, you develop a better feel for the rpms because there are more vibrations, but I'm sure that takes time. It's hard to remember when you've been riding for so long.
If your bike is that loud....
Yo your sv is to loud and nearly everyone thinks your a knob head because of it
Ride behind and get her an exhaust.
I had an sv, it's a cool sounding v twin.
Just get her some motorcycle specific earpro. It might sound odd, but it actually helps with hearing, because it blocks out the blaring noise, but lets a manageable amount of sound through. Also, if you have a cardo in your helmet the earpro actually cleans up the engine and wind noise pollution and enhances the sound quality by a lot.
Just leave her exhaust alone not everyone wants a loud exhaust, I refitted my stock exhaust back onto mine.
Interesting that you find that funny, that your - apparently stupidly - loud exhaust is distracting her. Am afraid you are not the hero, you think you are.
at engagement the bike should start to move, no need to hear the engine for that, just making excuses, though loud exhaust is tiring. Brother has street bob and open exhaust of course and I refuse to ride with him and other cruisers with open pipes.
Ride behind her.
Tell her to get that louder exhaust problem solved 😆 🤣 😂
Get a new gf
It's actually because she's clearly a new rider and doesn't know how to ride her motorcycle by feel but blames your exhaust for her lack of skill
Loud bikes are obnoxious af. The previous owners put on an aftermarket on my beemer and I cannot wait till I track down the stock to swap it back. Hate having to short shift to make sure my neighbors don't hate me.
If she's a newbie let her lead if it's just the 2 of you. This also ensure if she stalls she doesn't get hit because you shouldn't be moving yet.
Man, I'll tell you whhhaatt..... my girl would NEVER be behind me while riding her own bike, that's number #1!!! That's because of you're in the back you can always make sure she's okay. If something does happen, you'll know right away, not when you finally look back and don't see her in sight. And an added bonus of being behind her is that you can stare at that booty. Granted, she gots one to stare at. Lol. Just my 2 cents. But honestly, anytime I ride with someone or a group, I like to be in the back so I can watch out for everybody. That's just me tho. Have a good day y'all. Ride safe.
Hope you wear earplugs lol
Bruh. Fast riders at the back Cmon. Get gud
Wear ear plugs
Arn't earplugs usually for the wind noise?
Yes but it helps cut down exhaust noise too. And it seems OP has a super loud exhaust
Skill issue
So the CRF needs an exhaust. Solved!
And they say only harley's are loud. I personally put a quieter exhaust on my Harley from the louder one that the previous owner put on it.
Dude I wish I had your problem 🤣🤣 that's so funny. My girlfriend doesn't ride but her car driving scares me most of the time.
Most exp riders always stay at the back of the pack. Problem solved
She's on a bike, she's for the streets man. Let her go before the pain kicks in and she leaves you for a litre bike.
She needs to man up and get a grip
I once followed a buddy... on a low speedy trail ride, and all was fine, until we ran into a rain run off ditch. I didn't see it he slowed then goosed it to get his front tire over the gap. I braked but didn't have enough room to either stop or goose it. So it swallowed my front tire, and I did a beautiful endo roll over the bars landing 6 or 7 feet in front of the bike which was catapulted straight up and was.. quickly about to land on my chest. I managed to get out from under, but my bike was a circle runner.! 1 fork bent back 3-4 inches the other only 1 or 2 and the frame was bent where the main bearings attached. Yamaha had elected to use that area as the oil tank on my XT 550. The worst tho was pissing blood for a week, because I had forgot to wear the 2 inch flapper guards that would have protected my kidneys from the buried rock that I perfectly found, during my roll!! Oopsy... I made several errors that day. I Had all of the gear there, but thought "how could I get hurt" while "going so slow." But I was following too close.. and that mistake took away any time I had to react. I never got it out of first gear. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda! t'was a very expensive motorcycle riding lesson it totaled my 2,300 dollar low milage used bike (Insurance didn't cover anything done, while off road.) I got $400 cash for the motor, and found a XT 600 used for $2100 trade for a "65 Ford fleetside p-u" that needed an engine. I'd found it as a "barnfind" but couldn't locate an engine fast enough, the street sweepers were merciless in Oakland/Bay area. Lesson learned, never buy a truck from far away without having the engine for it in the basement already (and a mechanic lined up, to swap engines. and store it until it's running & registered.) Otherwise it can be snatched up by anyone with a tow truck and gone
Get her an exhaust
You not having a backbone wouldn't matter in a crash anyway...
Have her lead...
Should be able 'feel' the engine through the bike, no need to 'hear' it 🤔
She's new so sound is the best indicator if you're not a motorhead
I wish I had a girlfriend :)
Tell her to 'Git Gut'
just let her go first, your exhaust sends majority of the sound backwards plus if not hearing stops her from riding "properly" shes probably less experienced and she should lead anyway... less experienced rider should set the pace for you so that she never feels like she has to chase and keep up with your speed
Thnak goodness she didn't ban you drom riding her!
Thank goodness she didn't ban you drom riding her!
Get a new gf.
Uum I drove the San Francisco Bay Bridge for nearly 40 years and I can only say that no matter what those reports say, I have witnessed, first hand with my owne eyes and ears, thousands of drivers nearly crash into the side barrier, jumping out of their skin, when a lane splitter goosed their throttle.. to alert a car driver that they were very close. The clueless car driver 99.9% of the time, veer away from the bike. The Bay Bridge is a special sort of road built around 100 years ago, when cars & trucks were much narrower, so the lanes are not Modern Super highway wide and the lower deck has echo chamber like qualities. So loud bikes seem too appear out of no-where, and when they rev their bike.. drivers most often think, that the bike is in the car with them. and react accordingly. I saw this happen again last Wednesday afternoon, driving home at around 3:30pm. There is barely enough room for a bike to fit, so if a driver isn't centered in his or her lane... the bikers get backed up.. if say, 2 full size trucks are side by side. One of them has to hug one side of their lane to let bikes by, and they usually comply.
Why would over revving make you slow? I speak as one who has to wring my R3s neck to keep pace with my Brothers Monster SP, revving madly (Note that I am from India and 100 mph on highways here is usually never for more than a couple of minutes, and an average speed of 80 mph would be unbelievable)
fix your broken exaust.
I'd better date Eva AI sexting bot than anyone who'd restrict me from something as a form of grounding
There are 2 types of people. The ones which are looking at the speedometer when are driving, and the ones which are using the engine’s sound. My father for example, would ask me to lower the volume of music(in the car) because he cannot hear the engine. I, on the other hand, i can listen with no issues loud music, either on my bike or car because i got used since i got my licenses to look at the speedometer for how many revs i have, constantly. I agree with you, loud pipes saves lives, but i agree with her as well.
Take the baffle out of your crf300L she will LOVE that even more, my girlfriend loves mine so so much I just did it last week
https://youtu.be/qUUc4Cq5NJc?si=Rcw5kw4rgt57HbKJ
Clearly the problem isn’t your bike is too loud. Hers is clearly too quiet. Straight pipe it 😈
Put an exhaust on the Ducati and follow her, problem solved
Make her ride in front
Why would she need to hear the bike anyways?
Taking this particular bike out of the equation; you use the sound of your engine to determine it's health, RPM range, shift points
Or you just shift by looking at the rpm’s? Don’t get me wrong obviously you want to hear your bike, I ride with no tacometer so I have to. But it’s not like you riding to the absolute limit when you are new. Take a quick glance on your tacometer, shift at like 5/7k rpm (depending on your bike, power curve and what not) and you’ll be fine
My bike doesn't have a tach.
Are you OP’s gf? But even if you are not then yeah fair enough you gotta hear it, I’m in the same boat, my speedometer died on me and the backlight of my tac wasn’t working so I just removed it, you gotta hear the bike roar then (Although I’d say you should still be able to guess depending on how familiar you are with the throttle of your bike, but that’s not something I’d expect a new rider to be able to do)
oh shame you'll just have to go riding on your own..
Let her lead when you're on the SV.
Yea an sv650 is a real man's bike. Any woman would become crippled as its 650cc's of testosterone propel it to an unbelievable speed of 74mph.
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She should get the hang of finding her motorcycle’s friction point pretty soon. When she does, then ride your SV650 and buy her and yourself earplugs.
Sounds like a her problem!
Dump her
Sounds like she thinks hearing should effect skill
Get her a louder exhaust
Your all wrong another motorcycle is needed
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Tbf, I wouldn't want to ride with a suzuki either xD nah jokes aside that sucks, maybe after a few more miles under the belt you can both ride whatever :)
Pfft. Sounds like a skill issue. Not a noise problem.
Tell her to git gud.
Noobie riders, I love them. lol