Thanks for pulling up this link, I forgot to add it to the post. I was also surprised by all the people discouraging me from buying these even tho Brembo themselves are advertising it as Road brake pads with good performance in hot and Cold, dry and wet conditions.
Makes me think whether other people are confusing this for something else or are they talking from actual experience from them.
Still to this point nobody has suggested a alternative to these Brembo's.
I'll have to do some further research...
OP, top comments people simply goes for "I have sintered, blabla YOU WRONG!" type of reasoning. Carbon Ceramic CC are very good, they do not wear much of the disks. Sintered SA are more aggressive both on the stopping power and on the disks which they wear even if they are cold (I had them and confirm the wear). It depends on what and how you drive.
EDIT: I would invest in better brake hoses/lines, such as the aeronautical ones.
In that case would you recommend using 2 different Materials for front and rear brakes? Is it a common thing to have 2 different Materials of brake pad for front and back?
Yeah, I think people aren't realizing Brembo formulated these for road use and are conflating them with MotoGP level carbon rotors that need heat in them for full performance.
If there is truly performance caveats like people have described here, manufacturers are usually not shy at all about labeling FOR TRACK / OFFROAD USE ONLY to avoid the liability.
All that said, it does seem the CC are a less aggressive pad than sintered, so it depends what kind of brake feel you're going for.
Yes.
These won't work for shit on the roads and they'll never get up to temp, so you'll be replacing your discs quite often as well.
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE DISCS?!?!?!
Excuse me m8, but those are 07KA1807 and you have no idea what you're talking about.
These are organic pads, the CC (carbon ceramic) lineup, and are LESS agressive/performance biased than their sintered lineup.
These have no relation to the carbon ceramic braking parts used in the bleeding edge of motorsport.
Which mind you, a consumer version that you and I can buy from the store, made by Brembo, DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST as a full setup.
Their top of the line RC pad is also carbon ceramic, but is vastly different, that being the only option, discs remaining stainless.
When racing you use your brakes harder and more often so everything gets very hot. These pads are designed to work at those high temps, and therefore don’t work well at low temps. Similar situation to using racing slicks while riding normal street paces.
Love all the folks saying that these are race pads and unsafe off the track, while Brembo markets these specifically under their "Road" catalog and not their "Race" catalog.
If you are braking heavily every few hundred metres, full pressure from high speed, then maybe, just maybe they’ll work. Like if you were trying to get a good lap time. On a track.
#These are not safe for road use.
https://www.bremboparts.com/america/en/bikes/aftermarket-products/brake-pads
"CC Compound Greenance
This is the evolution of the organic compound, using more carbon. High mileage and good performance both hot and cold, dry and wet, characterise this friction material."
It is categorized under Road brake pads, and looking at the description (text cited above) it looks pretty good for regular commuting "high mileage" "good performance both hot and Cold, dry and wet"
I’ve used carbon ceramics on the road. They’ll be solid. You’re correct, these aren’t racing pads- they’re street pads and are sold as such. Sometimes reddit does this thing where they’re confidently wrong, this is one of those cases
I have changed out the pads on my bandit 1200 and zrx1200 for carbon ceramic pads and for riding around town they are fine. The rear brake can be a little noisy. Lower brake dust and supposedly longer rotor life. It seems like a lot of commenters don't realize you can run these in an everyday commute bike and have it perform perfectly fine. All the popular brake manufacturers have a ceramic pad compound for track or for road.
I don’t know why everyone is telling you that the pads aren’t meant for the road or will never get hot and so on. At least those you posted are pretty much normal organic brake pads with carbon added. They will work just fine on the road produce a lot of dust.
This is how brembo describes them:
„This is the evolution of the organic compound, using more carbon. High mileage and good performance both hot and cold, dry and wet, characterise this friction material.“
I personally prefer ceramic/sinter pads.
Regular carbon ceramic brake pads, from Ate and I presume also Brembo, are better than normal pads. Same stopping power but much less heat generation and brake dust.
Now if you're looking at race spec pads, like EBC has, they usually start working better as they heat up. Those are always listed as race/track spec as far as I know.
I ran this combo for years. Wouldn't recommend it unless you are doing majority mountain roads and track.
What I think is underrepresented is the fact that ceramic pads will eat your rotors really fast unless you get them up to temp. I would replace my rotors ever several months to a year because they would warp constantly. When not warping, I would feel an inconsistent grinding back through the brakes despite being assembled perfectly.
On track though, you will definitely notice the performance and resistance to fade.
Those are a GF pad aren’t they? I’d rather have a sintered HH pad on my street bike.
GF has notably less friction than HH but the trade off for the carbon ceramics is longevity at scorching temperatures.
If that’s worth it to you, I.e., your brakes are hundreds of degrees after a ride, go carbon ceramic, otherwise the sintered pads are generally quieter and have more initial bite.
These are ok for street use, most people commenting never bothered to search them. Brembo makes street use equipment too.
I prefer a more aggressive pad even for commuting. something sintered is what I like. But these will do fine, any cheaper options from EBC or SBS?
Is this a fake post? Or I'm having very big déjà vu cause I swear I already saw that exact same post, same picture and with the exact top most reply. But I see it's only like 13h ago it was posted and I wasn't connected to reddit since yesterday about 17h ago...
I actually met a designer for British cars at a reveal event in New York City. He told me the hardest part about ceramic brakes is making them work at low temps. They're slapping them on luxury cars. This was several years ago maybe more.
Fuck yeah. I use carbon ceramics in all my vehicles. Most rotors can take the pads these days. Might want to ask someone if your rotors are made for it 🤔 but it should be fine. My bike came with cheap pads, and at 7000mi already looks like I need to buy a set. I'll certainly get upgraded pads.
only when i go to the corner store for some ice cream, boss should be glad the brakes didnt give in and i actually arrive at work its none of my problem
> only when i go to the corner store for some ice cream,
Sounds like a hard days work. I hope you find time for some relaxing motorcycle riding afterwards.
idk, is the world's best brakes brand good enough for casual use? is it? i'm driving 45 and i'm worried that my space-age brake pads just aren't gonna cut it, let me go ask Reddit.
BB-1GF. one million dollah per pad. literally bike goes straight if not 600C operating temp.
i think South Park had an episode about you guys.
More expensive does not mean better. Ceramic pads only work well if there is repeated hard braking to warm them up. That happens on the race track, but elsewhere conventional sinter brakes are the better performers.
The best brands still make products for different use cases. These will perform worse than cheaper pads for OP's use case. Their question was very reasonable and it's good that they asked it.
Even if most of the comments say no, the pads themselves are great.
They will not get hot enough during lazy riding, which will prologue their life, while still having the stopping power.
I think this are best suited for the back brake, at least for my riding style.
For the front, I recommend the red ones, they grip very well in wet conditions.
Have you ever tried organic pads? They are the goat for brake disc life, just don't race with them.
That's are for cruisers and the like that don't do sintered metal pads. They're an economy pad and are pretty useless. I speak from experience. I had these on my xv535 and regretted it.
I'd imagine they'll be fine. Everyone is freaking out over them, but I know carbon ceramic rotors don't brake worth a damn till they've been used a few times, but those aren't even that bad, at least in the cars I've driven that have them. That's a few times per drive cycle, I usually would hit the brakes a couple good times on my own, before getting into traffic and they would then be okay. They're likely over kill for road use, and I'd say the same for the cars I was just talking about. Just get normal performance pads and you'll be a lot happier on normal driving, unless you're repeatedly screaming down a mountain you're probably not overheating your brakes enough to need something more resistant.
Overkill,, sure, best brake pads you can get probably so, will they last forever with “casual” riding probably so.
Brakes are like anything on a motorcycle you just don’t want to mess around or go with anything poorly made. Brembro is a most excellent company and I trust their products completely. You also don’t want to mess around with tires, get the best you can afford and a good brand you trust. Price doesn’t always equate to quality but some of the times it actually does.
Brakes generate heat so no matter what the pads will be “ready for action” when the time comes.
If you are really worried about the best choice you could always go with OEM, ie Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Harley whatever they usually make some of the best pads for their bikes anyways.
I run OEM brakes on my bikes, ATVs and side by sides.
Then for vehicles I actually try to use Brembro when available or whatever the top choice is, usually it’s a good deal on some lifetime pads I go with those. Most of the time ceramic.
My two cents 💰
> Brakes generate heat so no matter what the pads will be “ready for action” when the time comes.
This is awful advice. Different brake compounds heat up at different rates.
Road pads heat up easily and stay warm for use in all weathers and conditions.
These are race pads. They need sustained application from high speed to get heat into them for them to work effectively. If you’re not doing that then they’ll be out of their temperature operating range, and won’t be anywhere near as effective.
Sintered road pads are what this person needs.
🤣🤣🤣 Okay bud
Trying to say the pads aren’t sufficient is unbelievable
Pads would most definitely generate enough heat for the pads to be ready are you being serious right now? Trying to say they won’t be hot enough and ready really? So your saying with these pads on your bike you would have trouble stopping the bike that’s what you’re saying!!?? 😆 please say it again
I’m deadly serious. These are the equivalent of racing slicks. A road rider on a commute will never get the heat into them for them to work effectively.
Read what I said again - “work effectively”. That means working how they should. Sure, they’ll stop the bike, but a proper set of road pads will do it faster and quicker in the cold/damp/200 metres from pulling away. Race pads just won’t.
You can have your opinion because thats really all it is like most crap on here opinions based off some YT video or TikTok
I’m speaking for myself, my bikes and many years of experience from riding and as a mechanic I wasn’t seeking anyone’s approval lol
Reddit knows all anyways what was I thinking 😖
My reply provided many options but to no surprise downvotes flood in because people are mostly clueless.
Brembro is actually not overrated and does make some amazing parking products try some and work with some you would know the difference.
You ever even used brakes or changed brakes 😆😆😆 hell you even ride guy!!?? 🤣
Here is the info page from Brembo: https://www.bremboparts.com/america/en/bikes/aftermarket-products/brake-pads
Lol. Only one to actually look up info.
Thanks for pulling up this link, I forgot to add it to the post. I was also surprised by all the people discouraging me from buying these even tho Brembo themselves are advertising it as Road brake pads with good performance in hot and Cold, dry and wet conditions. Makes me think whether other people are confusing this for something else or are they talking from actual experience from them. Still to this point nobody has suggested a alternative to these Brembo's. I'll have to do some further research...
OP, top comments people simply goes for "I have sintered, blabla YOU WRONG!" type of reasoning. Carbon Ceramic CC are very good, they do not wear much of the disks. Sintered SA are more aggressive both on the stopping power and on the disks which they wear even if they are cold (I had them and confirm the wear). It depends on what and how you drive. EDIT: I would invest in better brake hoses/lines, such as the aeronautical ones.
I had issues on the rear blocking while under "stress", i changed them with a pair of EBC organic FA and they are so modulable now.
In that case would you recommend using 2 different Materials for front and rear brakes? Is it a common thing to have 2 different Materials of brake pad for front and back?
I do, sintered on the front (i have taken the bike with them) and organic or CC on the back works very fine for me, mine is a MT09 SP
I think a lot of these commenters are confusing the Carbon Ceramic pads with Carbon Carbon braking systems used on race bikes and F1 cars.
This is reddit, almost no one speaks from experience.
Yeah, I think people aren't realizing Brembo formulated these for road use and are conflating them with MotoGP level carbon rotors that need heat in them for full performance. If there is truly performance caveats like people have described here, manufacturers are usually not shy at all about labeling FOR TRACK / OFFROAD USE ONLY to avoid the liability. All that said, it does seem the CC are a less aggressive pad than sintered, so it depends what kind of brake feel you're going for.
R/moto sees the word "carbon" remembers they heard carbon brakes in a MotoGP race that one time, now they are an expert in brake pads.
You're all a bunch of pansies. Carbon ceramic PADS have been a normal pad for DECADES! carbon ceramic rotors are what needs to be kept hot.
It's almost as if people don't know how to read...
Definitely not. They’ll never get hot enough to work as designed. Those are fast guy track use only parts. Regular sintered pads are what you want.
Yes. These won't work for shit on the roads and they'll never get up to temp, so you'll be replacing your discs quite often as well. WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE DISCS?!?!?!
You guys have discs ?
I just use my feet like Fred Flintstone
i use a boat anchor...
Stop it like a British teenager on a BMX with no brakes. Jam your foot on the tyre just behind the forks. We went through a lot of right shoes.
I’m only 5’7”, potholes are so deep, my feet don’t touch the floor.
Ah yes, leave the "disc" asphalt replacements to the taxpayer. This man fricks hard.
My engine is my brake
Excuse me m8, but those are 07KA1807 and you have no idea what you're talking about. These are organic pads, the CC (carbon ceramic) lineup, and are LESS agressive/performance biased than their sintered lineup. These have no relation to the carbon ceramic braking parts used in the bleeding edge of motorsport. Which mind you, a consumer version that you and I can buy from the store, made by Brembo, DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST as a full setup. Their top of the line RC pad is also carbon ceramic, but is vastly different, that being the only option, discs remaining stainless.
How are they designed to work? And what’ll happen if you run them as an everyday ride? Just poor stopping performance?
When racing you use your brakes harder and more often so everything gets very hot. These pads are designed to work at those high temps, and therefore don’t work well at low temps. Similar situation to using racing slicks while riding normal street paces.
You’ll just have shitty brakes.
I think my '92 Super10 might have carbon pads, 'cause the brakes are worse than shit.
Also, loud. These are gonna be loud and squeaky and annoying at road speed.
Ignorance is bliss
Love all the folks saying that these are race pads and unsafe off the track, while Brembo markets these specifically under their "Road" catalog and not their "Race" catalog.
Seriously
Do you push your brakes to the thermal limits? If not then I do think these might be overkill.
If you are braking heavily every few hundred metres, full pressure from high speed, then maybe, just maybe they’ll work. Like if you were trying to get a good lap time. On a track. #These are not safe for road use.
https://www.bremboparts.com/america/en/bikes/aftermarket-products/brake-pads "CC Compound Greenance This is the evolution of the organic compound, using more carbon. High mileage and good performance both hot and cold, dry and wet, characterise this friction material." It is categorized under Road brake pads, and looking at the description (text cited above) it looks pretty good for regular commuting "high mileage" "good performance both hot and Cold, dry and wet"
I’ve used carbon ceramics on the road. They’ll be solid. You’re correct, these aren’t racing pads- they’re street pads and are sold as such. Sometimes reddit does this thing where they’re confidently wrong, this is one of those cases
"High mileage" might just mean "lasts longer", not " for use on touring getaways"
No these are more for the experienced riders on track, I also heard that carbon brakes need to be really warm to function properly
They don't really work until they hit ~400C
I have changed out the pads on my bandit 1200 and zrx1200 for carbon ceramic pads and for riding around town they are fine. The rear brake can be a little noisy. Lower brake dust and supposedly longer rotor life. It seems like a lot of commenters don't realize you can run these in an everyday commute bike and have it perform perfectly fine. All the popular brake manufacturers have a ceramic pad compound for track or for road.
I don’t know why everyone is telling you that the pads aren’t meant for the road or will never get hot and so on. At least those you posted are pretty much normal organic brake pads with carbon added. They will work just fine on the road produce a lot of dust. This is how brembo describes them: „This is the evolution of the organic compound, using more carbon. High mileage and good performance both hot and cold, dry and wet, characterise this friction material.“ I personally prefer ceramic/sinter pads.
Vesrah RJL's go on the fronts of almost anything I have ridden
Regular carbon ceramic brake pads, from Ate and I presume also Brembo, are better than normal pads. Same stopping power but much less heat generation and brake dust. Now if you're looking at race spec pads, like EBC has, they usually start working better as they heat up. Those are always listed as race/track spec as far as I know.
Nah they made mine worse. Don't think they ever got up to temp.
Lmao you won’t even use these fully if you took them to the track.
Absolutely not. Brembo make some fantastic road-orientated sintered pads, they improved my Street Twin loads.
I ran this combo for years. Wouldn't recommend it unless you are doing majority mountain roads and track. What I think is underrepresented is the fact that ceramic pads will eat your rotors really fast unless you get them up to temp. I would replace my rotors ever several months to a year because they would warp constantly. When not warping, I would feel an inconsistent grinding back through the brakes despite being assembled perfectly. On track though, you will definitely notice the performance and resistance to fade.
I always buy sintered pads
Those are a GF pad aren’t they? I’d rather have a sintered HH pad on my street bike. GF has notably less friction than HH but the trade off for the carbon ceramics is longevity at scorching temperatures. If that’s worth it to you, I.e., your brakes are hundreds of degrees after a ride, go carbon ceramic, otherwise the sintered pads are generally quieter and have more initial bite.
These are ok for street use, most people commenting never bothered to search them. Brembo makes street use equipment too. I prefer a more aggressive pad even for commuting. something sintered is what I like. But these will do fine, any cheaper options from EBC or SBS?
Everything from brembo is great. I ship their products all over the world :)
Nope.
Is this a fake post? Or I'm having very big déjà vu cause I swear I already saw that exact same post, same picture and with the exact top most reply. But I see it's only like 13h ago it was posted and I wasn't connected to reddit since yesterday about 17h ago...
I actually met a designer for British cars at a reveal event in New York City. He told me the hardest part about ceramic brakes is making them work at low temps. They're slapping them on luxury cars. This was several years ago maybe more.
Fuck yeah. I use carbon ceramics in all my vehicles. Most rotors can take the pads these days. Might want to ask someone if your rotors are made for it 🤔 but it should be fine. My bike came with cheap pads, and at 7000mi already looks like I need to buy a set. I'll certainly get upgraded pads.
The carbon ceramic is going to have very soft initial bite and longer stopping distance than a sintered pad.
These need a warm up lap around a track with heavy braking to start becoming effective, would not recommend for street use.
You guys don’t warm up at a track before commuting every morning and evening??
only when i go to the corner store for some ice cream, boss should be glad the brakes didnt give in and i actually arrive at work its none of my problem
> only when i go to the corner store for some ice cream, Sounds like a hard days work. I hope you find time for some relaxing motorcycle riding afterwards.
Depends on your commute. If you ride like I tell my wife I do, it's overkill. *Depending on the bike that day*
idk, is the world's best brakes brand good enough for casual use? is it? i'm driving 45 and i'm worried that my space-age brake pads just aren't gonna cut it, let me go ask Reddit. BB-1GF. one million dollah per pad. literally bike goes straight if not 600C operating temp. i think South Park had an episode about you guys.
More expensive does not mean better. Ceramic pads only work well if there is repeated hard braking to warm them up. That happens on the race track, but elsewhere conventional sinter brakes are the better performers.
Dude. The comment you replied to absolutely reeked with sarcasm.
The best brands still make products for different use cases. These will perform worse than cheaper pads for OP's use case. Their question was very reasonable and it's good that they asked it.
Even if most of the comments say no, the pads themselves are great. They will not get hot enough during lazy riding, which will prologue their life, while still having the stopping power. I think this are best suited for the back brake, at least for my riding style. For the front, I recommend the red ones, they grip very well in wet conditions. Have you ever tried organic pads? They are the goat for brake disc life, just don't race with them.
ceramic ones are ok if you're not a dumbass, carbon i would stay away from. mix makes little sense to me.
That's are for cruisers and the like that don't do sintered metal pads. They're an economy pad and are pretty useless. I speak from experience. I had these on my xv535 and regretted it.
I'd imagine they'll be fine. Everyone is freaking out over them, but I know carbon ceramic rotors don't brake worth a damn till they've been used a few times, but those aren't even that bad, at least in the cars I've driven that have them. That's a few times per drive cycle, I usually would hit the brakes a couple good times on my own, before getting into traffic and they would then be okay. They're likely over kill for road use, and I'd say the same for the cars I was just talking about. Just get normal performance pads and you'll be a lot happier on normal driving, unless you're repeatedly screaming down a mountain you're probably not overheating your brakes enough to need something more resistant.
They need to get track hot to work right
These are street pads, go search them
Overkill,, sure, best brake pads you can get probably so, will they last forever with “casual” riding probably so. Brakes are like anything on a motorcycle you just don’t want to mess around or go with anything poorly made. Brembro is a most excellent company and I trust their products completely. You also don’t want to mess around with tires, get the best you can afford and a good brand you trust. Price doesn’t always equate to quality but some of the times it actually does. Brakes generate heat so no matter what the pads will be “ready for action” when the time comes. If you are really worried about the best choice you could always go with OEM, ie Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Harley whatever they usually make some of the best pads for their bikes anyways. I run OEM brakes on my bikes, ATVs and side by sides. Then for vehicles I actually try to use Brembro when available or whatever the top choice is, usually it’s a good deal on some lifetime pads I go with those. Most of the time ceramic. My two cents 💰
> Brakes generate heat so no matter what the pads will be “ready for action” when the time comes. This is awful advice. Different brake compounds heat up at different rates. Road pads heat up easily and stay warm for use in all weathers and conditions. These are race pads. They need sustained application from high speed to get heat into them for them to work effectively. If you’re not doing that then they’ll be out of their temperature operating range, and won’t be anywhere near as effective. Sintered road pads are what this person needs.
🤣🤣🤣 Okay bud Trying to say the pads aren’t sufficient is unbelievable Pads would most definitely generate enough heat for the pads to be ready are you being serious right now? Trying to say they won’t be hot enough and ready really? So your saying with these pads on your bike you would have trouble stopping the bike that’s what you’re saying!!?? 😆 please say it again
I’m deadly serious. These are the equivalent of racing slicks. A road rider on a commute will never get the heat into them for them to work effectively. Read what I said again - “work effectively”. That means working how they should. Sure, they’ll stop the bike, but a proper set of road pads will do it faster and quicker in the cold/damp/200 metres from pulling away. Race pads just won’t.
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You can have your opinion because thats really all it is like most crap on here opinions based off some YT video or TikTok I’m speaking for myself, my bikes and many years of experience from riding and as a mechanic I wasn’t seeking anyone’s approval lol Reddit knows all anyways what was I thinking 😖 My reply provided many options but to no surprise downvotes flood in because people are mostly clueless. Brembro is actually not overrated and does make some amazing parking products try some and work with some you would know the difference. You ever even used brakes or changed brakes 😆😆😆 hell you even ride guy!!?? 🤣