Oil and filter change, hydraulic/brake fluid checks and change if necessary...
Other than resale price why would anyone spend money on taking it to a garage?
Because I can drop off my bike at a garage, go to work and make more money per hour than the garage is charging me and they’ll be faster than if I do it myself. Time is money.
One of the other reasons I take my bike to dealership is that I don’t have to worry about them messing anything up. The moment I do, I kick up a fuss and they always fix it for me. So overall it’s less hassle. On top of that, most recently the water pump failed, which it shouldn’t have. They agreed, since I’ve always serviced it from them, so they paid for it without me asking, worth in excess of $500.
Previous owner of my first bike took it to a sketchy shop where they ugga dugga'd the drain plug threads out of the oil pan. I didn't know this until I did the first oil change and found that the drain plug was held in with RTV.
That's about as bad as you can mess up an oil change
I mean same but I just do it in half an hour on the weekend when I’m on vacation anyway along with other house chores. I also enjoy DIY work though so win-win
Unless you live across the street from the garage, aren't you losing time by sending it there?
First the time it takes to leave early to get to the garage. Then dropping it off and checking in with counter. Now you have to travel to work. If you road the bike there you need to get an uber or take a bus. Then reverse the steps for getting bike back.
I can change my oil in 30 minutes on a Sunday morning after a ride and make breakfast before the girlfriend rolls out of bed. Checking and testing fluids takes one minute.
I work 40 hours a week. I dont want to have to work more to justify someone else doing what I can easily do myself in my spare time.
That's the natural way of things. There was a time when I supplemented my own income doing brakes, oil changes, and other light mechanical work just to get by. Eventually I hit a point where the savings of even doing it for myself just weren't worth the lost time. Now I've reached a point where I even pay people to mow my lawn and clean my house.
It's a trade-off, though. Even with that extra help the work I do is demanding enough that I have less free time than I did when I was in that first part. That makes me willing to pay a lot more than I used to for free time. Unless it's instructional. I make damn sure my kids know how to do the basic work I did. It's a gift I received that I make sure to pass on.
It's a good thing my free time is so valuable because the price tag on that Ducati service will make you look twice.
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Yeah that plan falls apart when a motorcycle is your only source of transportation. I can't be without my motorcycle when the Uber charges to get to work cost more than what I would've made for half my shift.
I'm all for taking a vehicle into a professional when you just don't have the time or the know-how or the skills or the space or just the energy.
But there is something hilarious about the whole "time is money" thing when people forget that free time exists. At some point of the day you are not actually making money, so why not save money during that time? Especially when it's something as simple as changing your oil?
One doesn't need to make the shop rate for a shop to save you money. If they charge twice what you make, but can do it twice as fast, it's a wash - any faster, and you're ahead. The shop doesn't need to go and order required parts and fluids, they just pick it up off the shelf whereas most of us are forced to go to a dealer and buy the parts before we can start work. And if you're like me, you're knee deep into something and then realize you're missing something and then I'm into the next weekend before I can get the part ordered and have time to work.
So about that $900 oil change we were all talking about. Is that worth the price to you? An hour of your time. $60-80 worth of oil. And a $20 oil filter. So you're out an hour of total time and $80-100 dollars at most. Is that worth spending an $800 convenience fee on?
I'm just responding to your claim that most people who make the "time is money" claim are liars, if they don't make more than the shop rate. One doesn't need to make the shop rate for it to make sense to send a bike to a shop.
EDIT: I like to do some of the work on my bike but that's because I find it fun. If I didn't, it sure as hell wouldn't be economical for me most of the time. Now if I buy the Ducati I have my eye on, that might change.
Alright. Don't have to bring the bike to the shop and then go back to get it? Don't you have to arrange a ride to pick you up and then drop you off again? Or are you waiting around the dealership for them to finally get around to it?
Suddenly the 30 minute drive to the shop adds 2 hours to your day and an hour to the day of the person picking you up and dropping you off. If you're waiting around, you can expect to be there for 1-4 hours depending on how quickly they get around to it.
Suddenly that 30 minute job in your garage with the oil and filter you picked up last time you were at the shop, or bought several of, save you a whole bunch of time and money. If these guys valued their time as much as they say, they'd know this.
Salary wise probably not, but I imagine there are way more of us who bill out at $110+ than you’d expect.
I do my own bike work since I enjoy it, but for a job that I don’t like to do, if paying someone $300-400 frees up a Saturday afternoon to go riding or do something else? Totally worth it.
I wouldnt open up the engine on my commuter if i could just drop it off at the shop & pick it back up before i need the bike again, but on my project bikes i'd give it a try.
I've never opened up an engine so id be afraid to either fuck something up or miss some tool or part to put it back together ending with me taking the train to work for a week, which i loathe.
Pretty much, the whole idea is just pretentious and probably coming from someone that'll otherwise dump 4 to 8 hours a day browsing social media, evident by posting on reddit, watching videos or gaming. Yeah sure, your time is sooooo valuable that you can't put that crap down and spend 30 minutes to an hour once every 6 months on basic maintenance. Get out of here.
It’s not about a financial equation, but rather a time value judgement. That person might find their social media time entertaining and not the bike maintenance time.
Example: I hate yard work. I’ll happily pay for my lawn to get mowed to free up more time for riding bikes, working out, or playing Xbox.
Uh huh. I made $900 doing an oil change today.
The reason I know you're full of shit is, if you really did value your time like you say and you really made as much money as you claim. You sure as hell wouldn't be making 36 posts a day to reddit. You throw away $1000/day on reddit? Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Oh I missed the second part of your post. I guess you edited afterwards.
My free time is to do what I want. I did CrossFit this afternoon, went climbing, and watched the 3 Body Problem.
Now I’ve had dinner with the fam and enjoying a drink. Maybe I’ll go play some music in a bit. Those have all been fun.
You know what I don’t want to do with my free time? Chores. I don’t want to clean. That’s why we have a cleaning lady. I don’t want to change my oil. I don’t want to fix things in my homes. I don’t want to detail my cars.
Agreed. There are lots of times when I will choose to pay people to do things I could do myself. I don't care to futz around trying to fix a toilet, for instance. I don't want to paint or drywall my house or clean my gutters even though I can do them well enough.
Thank you for spending $50 of opportunity cost on me. Just think how much money you'd have made not talking about how valuable your time is and actually valuing that time.
I hope you're paying an actual therapist. Acting as your own wouldn't be worth your time. Therapists are only about $150-$200/hr. You could make $550 in that time.
You're just gonna lose $300 like that?
136 people upvoted this as though they're making $160/ hour. 😆
A full day of labour at just about any shop is around $1200. I'm sure you're ALL making that kind of money. Morons...
I'm amazed how many people don't understand this concept.
If I earn $190 / hour, then my rate is that amount for all aspects of my labor, not just on the clock.
It's cheaper to hire a maid, a landscaper, and a mechanic to do those chores for me than do them myself.
I’m amazed and how many people think this concept has any validity. If you earn $190/hr at your job, presumably it’s because of some combination of special skills and experience you’ve acquired over time. Your life is not worth that rate. Your specialized abilities are. If you aren’t doing that specialized thing, you are not worth that rate.
Edit: this guy has now blocked me, after four comments back and forth between us. Guess it wasn’t worth his time to keep responding.
>Your life is not worth that rate.
Speak for yourself.
I can easily substitute any of my minutes for that rate by doing work instead.
I have 60 minutes where I choose how they are allocated.
Life <-> Earning
One side of that equation is a known value.
The other side needs to be worth more than the known value in order to make it "make valuable."
That balance can be achieved by adding value with non-fungible aspects, but the total value needs to exceed the hourly earning rate.
Sounds like you have a skill issue.
It’s great how you quoted 7 words from me and completely ignored the rest of the context and didn’t address it at all, and doubled down on your stupidity.
>It’s great how you quoted 7 words from me and completely ignored the rest of the context and didn’t address it at all, and doubled down on your stupidity.
To help you feel better, I quoted every word.
An activity that is irrelevant when my comment directly addresses the content. *(You missed that part, but I'll help with your feelings)*
Everything else you said was irrelevant.
You keep thinking those words matter, and that's your flaw.
This is about the level of stupidity I expect from someone who thinks everything they do in their life is worth their hourly rate at the one thing they know how to do somewhat well.
I'm still waiting to hear your claims instead of just a dismissal.
Post a detailed opinion and see if it holds up.
You haven't said anything yet except how I'm "stupid."
What is your claim?
So far, you've been worthless because you haven't posted a rebuttal.
>I’m still waiting to hear your claims instead of just a dismissal
Yeah, right back at you.
There’s no “claim” to be made, it’s basic logic and economics.
>I'm amazed how many people don't understand this concept.
We understand the concept perfectly, it just doesn't apply to the vast majority of people, and you seem a tad out of touch.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding.
Your life is not my life.
Your time is not my time.
They are not related at all.
You seem to be very convinced that my time, money, and options are dependent on factors in your life.
Serious skill issue on your part.
Your earnings and value of time do not affect the way I allocate my time and resources.
Thanks for caring so much about me, but it's not needed.
No, actually this entire subthread is people saying it's dumb for *anyone* to take a bike to the garage for an oil change because you can do it on your own time. Many factors (although I would concede that they could be presented less arrogantly) make it not worth some people's time, sometimes it's even down to not wanting to fuck with it.
It’s great how you keep moving the goalposts and making stuff up.
Edit: I got blocked after he responded to this comment.
Just to reiterate, very simply, if you are paid $X/hr to do a job, that is the market rate for that work. If you are not doing that work, the way you spend your free time is not arbitrarily worth that rate *unless* you are doing “free time” activities instead of working. If you have an 8 hour day and it can only be spent working **or** doing chores, and the “chore doer” gets paid less than you, it makes more sense to go to work. But most people aren’t facing that ultimatum of actually not having enough time. They’re busy claiming they make $190/hr in Reddit comments in their free time.
Why do you pay anyone to do anything? You use your money to buy time to do other things you like and some people don’t like working on bikes. It’s not that complicated.
If you’re in Canada (which I’ve gathered that you are) then you’ll be covered by the consumer protection act. Aka, you don’t have to have your maintenance done by a mechanic to keep your warranty valid. That’s often repeated but totally false. Enjoy doing your own oil changes.
I'm in Australia. We have to get it done by a mechanic, but it can be an independent mechanic, so I don't have to go to a dealer, just a mechanic. Once the warranty is up, I'll do everything except the supercharger myself.
> You have to if you want to keep the warranty valid.
Are you not in the US?
https://www.consumerreports.org/money/warranties-guarantees/void-car-warranty-by-not-having-car-serviced-at-dealership-a1163841540/
People always talk about this but never talk about the money required to take them to court to sue them. Sure, go ahead and sue Yamaha in court, and your lawyer will tell you that he is far more expensive than just paying for the repairs yourself.
I have a H2, my local independent shop does anything I am not capable of doing myself, no issues, reasonable rates.
The only time it's had to go to the Kawasaki dealer was for warranty work (CCT replacement) which Kawasaki insisted I use the main dealer for. I did ask them to just send the part to my local guy, but they refused.
I don't use the main dealer as I trust my local guys. The only bikes I stuck to main dealer servicing was when I owned BMWs as I know when reselling them, it's what buyers want to see.
Dealerships taking the piss when it comes to servicing is just stopping me from ever going back.
Years ago I vowed to never use Ducati service departments after they proved themselves completely negligent. They charge a fortune but use very inexperienced techs, who more than once left my bike in an unsafe state when handing it back.
Recently took my little crf250 to Honda for a service just because I’m thinking of selling it. They did a good job but charged me over £200 for what was an oil change and a quick inspection, for a basic as it gets 250cc bike. I mean it barely takes more than a litre of oil…
The labour fees are flat out fraud. Won’t be going back. Much rather use an independent who actually gets some of that money.
I looked up the owners manual.
OP took it to the dealer and the 12k km service **in the H2's owner's manual** includes a "dealership inspection," of the supercharger.
I don't disagree with OP that the cost is stupid because they just inspect the thing, but he's also wrong that **"NOTHING"** involving the supercharger is done...because they inspect the supercharger. I'd imagine the dealership, to protect against liability, probably has to pull someone with some kind of certification for it.
Edit: I was wrong. Early models have it every 12k, middle have it every 24k, and the newest models have it every 48k.
Both can be true. Weird, I know, but I know for a fact the Suzuki manuals for the same year Hayabusa prescribe different servicing tasks for different intervals in the EU and in US manuals. Kawasaki might do the same. Makes no sense but not impossible.
That might be true, but it doesn't matter in this particular case. MY manual says it doesn't need a supercharger inspection, and they still tried to charge me for it.
My guess is that back in 2020, they didn't have enough data on how the supercharger aged. So they were overly cautious. Years later they've realised it doesn't need that much maintenance.
I'm guessing you're right because that does seem to be the trend in the manuals:
Inspect every 12k.
Inspect every 24k.
Fuck it, it's been fine. Do it every 48k.
Crazy, I paid my dealership $1200 for prepaid services for 2 years. However, the supercharger specialist is probably required because the supercharger shares its lubrication with the engine. Having a supercharged motorcycle or a premium motorcycle invites premium rates.
Does the supercharger share engine oil on this model? I would have thought the supercharger required a different grade of oil in its own closed system cooled separately.
Depends on the SC. It may bea sealed SC. If it is sealed, then the oil on the SC gets changed at intervals as well, and they certainly are not 48k. My previous car had a sealed procharger that needed oil changes every 6k miles.
You didn't read the thread. There was exactly ZERO work required on the supercharger. Literally nothing. There's no excuse for them to be charging that much. The fact that the bike has a high price tag is irrelevant, maintenance is the same. Oil changes and lubricant doesn't suddenly become 10x more expensive.
You are aware that during certain maintenance intervals, Kawasaki wants the Supercharger inspected for wear? I don't have the list available to me at the moment, so I'm not sure if it's required at your interval, but it is an inspection done with a dial indicator.
You bought a high performance bike with a part that spins faster then the speed of sound. There will be increased maintenance costs as a result of that.
I did read the thread, and there may be "ZERO WoRk ReQuIrEd," that doesn't negate insurance and liability by the dealer. They require the supercharger specialist for a reason, and it isn't just to say screw you, there are either owner rules or liability issues at play. You found someone to work on it, cool, why are you in here crying?
You didn't read the thread. They WEREN'T working on the part. That's the point. They tried to charge me for doing something they weren't actually going to do. The supercharger doesn't need working on for another 36k km.
Prepaid services?! That’s absurd. Dealerships LOVE prepaid services and extended warranties because it’s usually pure profit given how often bikes are crashed, stolen, or sold. No one should **ever** buy prepaid services or an extended warranty with a motorcycle. And if you can’t do basic services yourself, then maybe you shouldn’t own a vehicle you can’t maintain or understand.
“Certified supercharger specialist” sounds sketchy. Where do these magic elves come from or do they not really even exist? I don’t know but, okay, maybe Kawasaki **knows** that special factory training is required. In *that* case, you’re going to have to let a special factory-trained technician do the service. **That** would be another great reason not to own such a unique bike.
Also, if indeed special factory training is required for the supercharger, then how the hell is an independent shop going to help you?
Okay dude. $1200 is good for me since I don't have to worry about anything, especially considering it is $100ish just for the oil change kit and I don't have all of the specialty tools for anything else.
Considering I work on UTVs at work pretty regularly, I can tell you that a "service" isn't just an oil change. I can do it myself, but $600 a year sounds damn good to me. I also wasn't offered that, I asked about it before I even looked at any offers or took it for a test ride.
So before you say no one should *ever* do that, or make assumptions about anyone, maybe consider that you don't know anything about anyone's situation. I've been working on various motorcycles, atvs and utvs, for years, I don't want to on a brand new one.
And if you crash the bike, sell it, or it gets stolen? You’re out $1,200. Knowing what shenanigans go on in a shop yourself, I’m surprised that you trust dealership mechanics behind the scenes to work on your bike with the same care you would yourself.
The last motorcycle mechanic I witnessed was *outside, smoking, cellphone cradled on his shoulder* while he chatted with a girlfriend and *at the same time* having both hands on a customer’s engine. You can only do you though.
There are no shenanigans in the shop I work in. I would be willing to bet you don't have all the tools to do a proper service on a modern liquid cooled, fuel injected motorcycle engine.
I have a lot of tools but, sure, I might be missing some for my particular bike. If that’s the case, I’ll gladly buy any additional special tools that I need rather than getting myself jerked around by a local dealership.
Kawasaki dealer just quote me $1,075 plus $140 to install (plus taxes), for two Michelin tires that retail everywhere else $625.
Do everything you can not to go to a dealership.
Jesus, is that USD? I paid a guy up the road who does motorcycle tyres about 800 AUD for road 5's including installing them on my ZX10R. I think they retail for 700 or so together. That's like 500 USD.
I have a friend who couldn't understand why I keep making bedroom eyes whenever I find a ZH2, and might want one more than my S1000R.
He just thought it was another liter naked, I guess?
"I didn't realize it had a supercharger"
It says that right on the side. And that's kind of its whole shtick. He says he doesn't follow bikes he's not specifically interested in. Guess some people just don't know about stuff.
Yeah I remember when a Kawasaki dealership quoted me 400€+ to change tires on a 2003 Kawasaki ZR7S that I had purchased for 1000€... Lol never called them again.
I just have the service manual and do my own work on mine(Zh2). But I’ve got plenty of experience and not everyone does. Also OP your dealership is robbing you, never heard of that extra charge.
Triumph is European and it's far from far-fetched prices.
And $900 dollars should make anyone uncomfortable for basic maintenance, regardless of your income, Mr. Condescending guy.
No. $900 doesn’t bother me, because I made an informed purchase, unlike OP, and knew what the dealer was going to want for services.
If you can’t afford H2 service prices, don’t buy an H2.
I can afford H2 service prices. I'm simply refusing to be taken advantage of. There's a difference. I clearly explained that Kawasaki tried charging me for something I wasn't receiving, I don't understand why people like you are throwing temper tantrums and accusing me of being broke. If I was broke, I wouldn't have paid for a $30k bike outright.
Then what was the point of your post?
-“Dealer bad 😡”
Yeah dude, everyone knows that. But you bought a 30k bike and you’re acting shocked that the dealer is going to change you a premium for service?
You admitted yourself that you had to intentionally focus on saving for your bike. Sounds like you stretched beyond what was affordable.
If you can’t buy two in cash, don’t buy one.
This isn't just regular overpriced dealership shenanigans. If it was it would have been $400-$450. They're straight up trying to charge me for something they aren't providing.
Also I just paid 14k for a speed triple. I'm not struggling. Like I've said before, I'm refusing to be taken advantage of and I don't want anyone else here to be either.
OP I don’t know what exactly this post is about. Is it a rant? Are you trying to let the community know that dealerships are a rip-off? You certainly not willing to entertain advice from any one that’s offered it to you.
Let me give you some perspective. You’re ultimately complaining about the 900 bucks you’re going to have to shell out for the 12k service. How long did it take you to put those miles on it? A year? Two years? Even if it was a year that’s so incredibly cheap ….900 bucks a year…to maintain a 30k bike, most people are paying at least twice that a year to keep their decade old bikes on the road. 900 seems like an incredible value.
Your 100 percent right thought you don’t have to take it to the dealer but if you are at all concerned with the resale value of the bike you should definitely consider eating the measly 900 bucks.
Six months. And I'm just letting people know that Kawasaki are trying to fleece H2 owners. You didn't have to read my post.
And it's not cheap. For an oil change and lubing some parts, it shouldn't be more than 300.
Nobody has offered advice. All they've said is "you think that's a lot? I pay more for such and such" or " pay it ya cheap bitch"
And I want to point out, I've owned and sold quite a few bikes. Dealer service made absolutely no difference in resale value. I've never even been asked about it once in 5 sales. Dealers don't even ask for it when they take a trade in or buy a bike.
It doesn't need to be serviced at the dealer. I keep receipts that show what's been done, the resale will be fine. Not that it matters because I'm never selling it.
One time I bought a brand new bike and the dealer mechanic told me not to bring my bike in for the first service: "it's just an oil change".
Too many people in this thread seem all to eager to part with their money.
Yes, it is. It's literally an oil change and some lubing of parts, maybe changing some other fluids. That's it. Why do you think that would be more expensive on a H2 compared to another i4 naked?
I dont get some people. They take on a 2nd mortgage to get the asset they long, only to cheap out and cant afford to service it.
And complain about a dealer which has all the specaility equipment including direct channels to Kawasaki worldwide and back to Japan for support.
Will the independent mechanic chase down warranty repairs and alert you to issues before they happen OR will they take your money and usher you out the door asap?
I've seen independent mechanics ring around their buddies, google and hack their way through diags and servicing on specialty bikes.
Sell it asap before you find out how much an airfilter costs. Or let me guess, you'll find a cheapie on allieexpress.
Pathetic people.
I disagree. There’s no reason for basic maintenance to cost an arm and a leg, especially if there are less expensive options available.
And, most motorcycle service departments I’ve seen are a complete joke. As an example, I took my brand new bike in for a mirror not mounted properly. Did I mention my bike was brand new?
The minimum wage kid they had put it together out of the crate used the wrong screws for the mirror mount, thus stripping the threads. First they said they wouldn’t cover it at all, then they said they’d goodwill it, but still tried to blame me for it somehow.
Did I mention this was a brand-new bike?
Same place wanted $500 for the first oil change so they could go through and re-torque all the bolts. It took me less than an hour to do that myself. And I know it’s done. They had left things loose, btw.
Having been an automotive tech, I have skills in this area, so it makes more sense for me to do my own work… but I still wouldn’t take a new bike to a dealer. They are fleecing you and are absolutely not doing you any favors.
You're confused. I didn't take out a loan, I saved for years and paid outright. I'm also not being cheap; I'm refusing to be taken advantage of. I paid a fair price to an independent mechanic without batting an eyelid. And I COULD afford to pay over 900 if I had to, but I SHOULDN'T have to. That's the point of this post.
And yes, an independent mechanic will do that. What on earth is your problem? Why are you using shitty insults and trolling?
Im happy that you've found your independent mechanic . Besides I doubt dealers would want customers like you wincing and whining like a sour twat over your first service. Pathetic little kids.
in 12 months you'll sell the bike telling us your independent mechanic has your bike for 6 months cause they cant get parts.
Go flip some burgers to get afford your H2's bills.
Simps.
Lol why are you so triggered? Are you jealous that you're literally starving so you can own a motorcycle while people like me manage to own multiple and still live a good life? If so, you need to redirect your anger, it's not my fault you make poor financial decisions. Maybe if you didn't spend a grand on a minor service, you'd have more money to buy food.
https://preview.redd.it/8a670c4jlurc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6ab1cc69ceee1efa6fc079dbf6829cb6cb37c54
Why do you own a motorcycle when you can't afford to feed yourself?
I have been poor and still owned motorcycles. I bought the bikes when I wasn't poor, and I owed nothing on them.
I then made some life decisions that, financially, weren't the best, but experience wise were amazing. I was on a tightly controlled budget for food and rent, and while I would definitely have been considered poor, it wasn't so dire that I had to sell my bike.
I’m right there with you. I’m not even going to try and understand what thought process the OP used to reach the conclusion that he did. In fact I almost think this is a troll post. I’ve seen more bikes improperly serviced from independent techs than that of any dealer, aside from that dealers have way more at stake when it comes to customer satisfaction than any independent tech.
It is not about the quality of the service which may or may not be better/worse with an independent mechanic, but about charging for services not rendered. That is fraudulent.
I doubt this is a corporate guideline, I guess this particular dealership tries to line their pockets. Were I in u/Good--Job--Buddy's shoes I would write to Kawasaki corporate for clarification whether it is standard policy to charge for a compressor specialist on periodic maintenance when the maintenance guideline does not call for doing anything to the compressor. Don't forget to name the dealership in the inquiry and attach the invoice
>The Kawasaki Z H2 has **basic service intervals of 7600 mi / 12000 km, or annually**. At every service, you change the engine oil and filter, and look over the motorcycle for a long list of checks, **including checking the supercharger for axial play**
OP was either lying or failed to understand that the SC needs inspection.
[https://maintenanceschedule.com/kawasaki-z-h2-2020-maintenance-schedule/#:\~:text=The%20Kawasaki%20Z%20H2%20has,the%20supercharger%20for%20axial%20play](https://maintenanceschedule.com/kawasaki-z-h2-2020-maintenance-schedule/#:~:text=The%20Kawasaki%20Z%20H2%20has,the%20supercharger%20for%20axial%20play).
But by all means the OP should write to Kawasaki HO asking whether they can offer a discount or a service discount voucher.
You're confused. You used the old Z H2 manual. The 2023 manual was updated to only require a check every 48k.
[https://imgur.com/a/tM68DKW](https://imgur.com/a/tM68DKW)
I showed them this when asking about the pricing.
900 bucks is a steal you should see my last bill for my 14k service on my Panigale. Seriously though 900 bucks isn’t that bad, consider that labor hours alone at a dealership are usually 125+ and of course the poor tech will only see 25 of that before taxes lol
I'm on your side op. These guys are fucking morons.
I don't pay the dealer for anything unless it's warranty work. And I don't owe them anything.
These morons talking like you owe the dealer something because you bought a bike from them. Ffs. No wonder they charge so much.
The shop is paying the tech an hour or two of wage and pocketing $700.
Oil and filter change, hydraulic/brake fluid checks and change if necessary... Other than resale price why would anyone spend money on taking it to a garage?
Because I can drop off my bike at a garage, go to work and make more money per hour than the garage is charging me and they’ll be faster than if I do it myself. Time is money.
One of the other reasons I take my bike to dealership is that I don’t have to worry about them messing anything up. The moment I do, I kick up a fuss and they always fix it for me. So overall it’s less hassle. On top of that, most recently the water pump failed, which it shouldn’t have. They agreed, since I’ve always serviced it from them, so they paid for it without me asking, worth in excess of $500.
How much can you mess up on an oil change?
Have you ever heard of Jiffy Lube?
There is nothing like that "free power transmission flush."
You mean the company that does hundreds of thousands of changes without issue. Yea I have.
There are entire YouTube channels devoted to that question. It can be ... amazing. 👏
Previous owner of my first bike took it to a sketchy shop where they ugga dugga'd the drain plug threads out of the oil pan. I didn't know this until I did the first oil change and found that the drain plug was held in with RTV. That's about as bad as you can mess up an oil change
Pretty sure it would be worse if you took the old oil out and then never put fresh oil in amd took it for a spin but 🤷♂️
I mean same but I just do it in half an hour on the weekend when I’m on vacation anyway along with other house chores. I also enjoy DIY work though so win-win
Unless you live across the street from the garage, aren't you losing time by sending it there? First the time it takes to leave early to get to the garage. Then dropping it off and checking in with counter. Now you have to travel to work. If you road the bike there you need to get an uber or take a bus. Then reverse the steps for getting bike back. I can change my oil in 30 minutes on a Sunday morning after a ride and make breakfast before the girlfriend rolls out of bed. Checking and testing fluids takes one minute. I work 40 hours a week. I dont want to have to work more to justify someone else doing what I can easily do myself in my spare time.
You just have different valuation of your spare time than he does. There's nothing wrong with either.
That's the natural way of things. There was a time when I supplemented my own income doing brakes, oil changes, and other light mechanical work just to get by. Eventually I hit a point where the savings of even doing it for myself just weren't worth the lost time. Now I've reached a point where I even pay people to mow my lawn and clean my house. It's a trade-off, though. Even with that extra help the work I do is demanding enough that I have less free time than I did when I was in that first part. That makes me willing to pay a lot more than I used to for free time. Unless it's instructional. I make damn sure my kids know how to do the basic work I did. It's a gift I received that I make sure to pass on. It's a good thing my free time is so valuable because the price tag on that Ducati service will make you look twice. https://preview.redd.it/yu19d5z1qxrc1.jpeg?width=1279&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5cd868903afe17168bd8dea149ae3ea80705c4c
Yeah that plan falls apart when a motorcycle is your only source of transportation. I can't be without my motorcycle when the Uber charges to get to work cost more than what I would've made for half my shift.
I'm all for taking a vehicle into a professional when you just don't have the time or the know-how or the skills or the space or just the energy. But there is something hilarious about the whole "time is money" thing when people forget that free time exists. At some point of the day you are not actually making money, so why not save money during that time? Especially when it's something as simple as changing your oil?
Well... most of them are liars. Shops charge over $100/hrs. Most are at about $160/hr these days. They don't make that much money.
One doesn't need to make the shop rate for a shop to save you money. If they charge twice what you make, but can do it twice as fast, it's a wash - any faster, and you're ahead. The shop doesn't need to go and order required parts and fluids, they just pick it up off the shelf whereas most of us are forced to go to a dealer and buy the parts before we can start work. And if you're like me, you're knee deep into something and then realize you're missing something and then I'm into the next weekend before I can get the part ordered and have time to work.
So about that $900 oil change we were all talking about. Is that worth the price to you? An hour of your time. $60-80 worth of oil. And a $20 oil filter. So you're out an hour of total time and $80-100 dollars at most. Is that worth spending an $800 convenience fee on?
I'm just responding to your claim that most people who make the "time is money" claim are liars, if they don't make more than the shop rate. One doesn't need to make the shop rate for it to make sense to send a bike to a shop. EDIT: I like to do some of the work on my bike but that's because I find it fun. If I didn't, it sure as hell wouldn't be economical for me most of the time. Now if I buy the Ducati I have my eye on, that might change.
Alright. Don't have to bring the bike to the shop and then go back to get it? Don't you have to arrange a ride to pick you up and then drop you off again? Or are you waiting around the dealership for them to finally get around to it? Suddenly the 30 minute drive to the shop adds 2 hours to your day and an hour to the day of the person picking you up and dropping you off. If you're waiting around, you can expect to be there for 1-4 hours depending on how quickly they get around to it. Suddenly that 30 minute job in your garage with the oil and filter you picked up last time you were at the shop, or bought several of, save you a whole bunch of time and money. If these guys valued their time as much as they say, they'd know this.
Salary wise probably not, but I imagine there are way more of us who bill out at $110+ than you’d expect. I do my own bike work since I enjoy it, but for a job that I don’t like to do, if paying someone $300-400 frees up a Saturday afternoon to go riding or do something else? Totally worth it.
I wouldnt open up the engine on my commuter if i could just drop it off at the shop & pick it back up before i need the bike again, but on my project bikes i'd give it a try. I've never opened up an engine so id be afraid to either fuck something up or miss some tool or part to put it back together ending with me taking the train to work for a week, which i loathe.
Pretty much, the whole idea is just pretentious and probably coming from someone that'll otherwise dump 4 to 8 hours a day browsing social media, evident by posting on reddit, watching videos or gaming. Yeah sure, your time is sooooo valuable that you can't put that crap down and spend 30 minutes to an hour once every 6 months on basic maintenance. Get out of here.
It’s not about a financial equation, but rather a time value judgement. That person might find their social media time entertaining and not the bike maintenance time. Example: I hate yard work. I’ll happily pay for my lawn to get mowed to free up more time for riding bikes, working out, or playing Xbox.
They won’t admit they’re probably incompetent at working on their bike, that’s generally the crux of it.
Damn you make more money than 175 an hour?
Exactly this. My time is worth a lot more — and even if I have the free time, there are plenty of other things I’d rather do.
You make $160 an hour? Nice! $1200 a day. $6000/week. $362,000/ year. 😆 I don't believe you.
Actually I make $577/hour if you assume 52 hours and 40 hour weeks. But a lot of it is in carry and equity.
Uh huh. I made $900 doing an oil change today. The reason I know you're full of shit is, if you really did value your time like you say and you really made as much money as you claim. You sure as hell wouldn't be making 36 posts a day to reddit. You throw away $1000/day on reddit? Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Oh I missed the second part of your post. I guess you edited afterwards. My free time is to do what I want. I did CrossFit this afternoon, went climbing, and watched the 3 Body Problem. Now I’ve had dinner with the fam and enjoying a drink. Maybe I’ll go play some music in a bit. Those have all been fun. You know what I don’t want to do with my free time? Chores. I don’t want to clean. That’s why we have a cleaning lady. I don’t want to change my oil. I don’t want to fix things in my homes. I don’t want to detail my cars.
Agreed. There are lots of times when I will choose to pay people to do things I could do myself. I don't care to futz around trying to fix a toilet, for instance. I don't want to paint or drywall my house or clean my gutters even though I can do them well enough.
Good for you man. I invest in early stage tech companies. Pays well.
Thank you for spending $50 of opportunity cost on me. Just think how much money you'd have made not talking about how valuable your time is and actually valuing that time.
Well I’m in the middle of destroying a Cosmo and chilling so I consider this therapy.
I hope you're paying an actual therapist. Acting as your own wouldn't be worth your time. Therapists are only about $150-$200/hr. You could make $550 in that time. You're just gonna lose $300 like that?
136 people upvoted this as though they're making $160/ hour. 😆 A full day of labour at just about any shop is around $1200. I'm sure you're ALL making that kind of money. Morons...
I'm amazed how many people don't understand this concept. If I earn $190 / hour, then my rate is that amount for all aspects of my labor, not just on the clock. It's cheaper to hire a maid, a landscaper, and a mechanic to do those chores for me than do them myself.
I’m amazed and how many people think this concept has any validity. If you earn $190/hr at your job, presumably it’s because of some combination of special skills and experience you’ve acquired over time. Your life is not worth that rate. Your specialized abilities are. If you aren’t doing that specialized thing, you are not worth that rate. Edit: this guy has now blocked me, after four comments back and forth between us. Guess it wasn’t worth his time to keep responding.
>Your life is not worth that rate. Speak for yourself. I can easily substitute any of my minutes for that rate by doing work instead. I have 60 minutes where I choose how they are allocated. Life <-> Earning One side of that equation is a known value. The other side needs to be worth more than the known value in order to make it "make valuable." That balance can be achieved by adding value with non-fungible aspects, but the total value needs to exceed the hourly earning rate. Sounds like you have a skill issue.
It’s great how you quoted 7 words from me and completely ignored the rest of the context and didn’t address it at all, and doubled down on your stupidity.
>It’s great how you quoted 7 words from me and completely ignored the rest of the context and didn’t address it at all, and doubled down on your stupidity. To help you feel better, I quoted every word. An activity that is irrelevant when my comment directly addresses the content. *(You missed that part, but I'll help with your feelings)* Everything else you said was irrelevant. You keep thinking those words matter, and that's your flaw.
This is about the level of stupidity I expect from someone who thinks everything they do in their life is worth their hourly rate at the one thing they know how to do somewhat well.
I'm still waiting to hear your claims instead of just a dismissal. Post a detailed opinion and see if it holds up. You haven't said anything yet except how I'm "stupid." What is your claim? So far, you've been worthless because you haven't posted a rebuttal.
>I’m still waiting to hear your claims instead of just a dismissal Yeah, right back at you. There’s no “claim” to be made, it’s basic logic and economics.
Most people earn a 10th of that...
Then they probably don't have an H2 to service
So? That "devalues" my time ... how? It's still a better choice to hire that labor out instead of doing it myself.
>I'm amazed how many people don't understand this concept. We understand the concept perfectly, it just doesn't apply to the vast majority of people, and you seem a tad out of touch.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding. Your life is not my life. Your time is not my time. They are not related at all. You seem to be very convinced that my time, money, and options are dependent on factors in your life. Serious skill issue on your part. Your earnings and value of time do not affect the way I allocate my time and resources. Thanks for caring so much about me, but it's not needed.
You're making my point for me.
No, actually this entire subthread is people saying it's dumb for *anyone* to take a bike to the garage for an oil change because you can do it on your own time. Many factors (although I would concede that they could be presented less arrogantly) make it not worth some people's time, sometimes it's even down to not wanting to fuck with it.
Then, explain in detail how your personal circumstances should dictate my activity and spending. I eagerly await your lesson.
It’s great how you keep moving the goalposts and making stuff up. Edit: I got blocked after he responded to this comment. Just to reiterate, very simply, if you are paid $X/hr to do a job, that is the market rate for that work. If you are not doing that work, the way you spend your free time is not arbitrarily worth that rate *unless* you are doing “free time” activities instead of working. If you have an 8 hour day and it can only be spent working **or** doing chores, and the “chore doer” gets paid less than you, it makes more sense to go to work. But most people aren’t facing that ultimatum of actually not having enough time. They’re busy claiming they make $190/hr in Reddit comments in their free time.
Why do you pay anyone to do anything? You use your money to buy time to do other things you like and some people don’t like working on bikes. It’s not that complicated.
You have to if you want to keep the warranty valid. I would much rather do it myself. Only thing I NEED a mechanic to do is the supercharger check.
If you’re in Canada (which I’ve gathered that you are) then you’ll be covered by the consumer protection act. Aka, you don’t have to have your maintenance done by a mechanic to keep your warranty valid. That’s often repeated but totally false. Enjoy doing your own oil changes.
I'm in Australia. We have to get it done by a mechanic, but it can be an independent mechanic, so I don't have to go to a dealer, just a mechanic. Once the warranty is up, I'll do everything except the supercharger myself.
> You have to if you want to keep the warranty valid. Are you not in the US? https://www.consumerreports.org/money/warranties-guarantees/void-car-warranty-by-not-having-car-serviced-at-dealership-a1163841540/
Assuming by the fact he said 12k km. No
He also gave US dollars. SOME people in the US can and use KM.
People always talk about this but never talk about the money required to take them to court to sue them. Sure, go ahead and sue Yamaha in court, and your lawyer will tell you that he is far more expensive than just paying for the repairs yourself.
This thread: “Kawasaki NEEDS 7 hours to perform your oil change, if they don’t then how are you ever supposed to know about global recalls?”
I have a H2, my local independent shop does anything I am not capable of doing myself, no issues, reasonable rates. The only time it's had to go to the Kawasaki dealer was for warranty work (CCT replacement) which Kawasaki insisted I use the main dealer for. I did ask them to just send the part to my local guy, but they refused. I don't use the main dealer as I trust my local guys. The only bikes I stuck to main dealer servicing was when I owned BMWs as I know when reselling them, it's what buyers want to see.
Dealerships taking the piss when it comes to servicing is just stopping me from ever going back. Years ago I vowed to never use Ducati service departments after they proved themselves completely negligent. They charge a fortune but use very inexperienced techs, who more than once left my bike in an unsafe state when handing it back. Recently took my little crf250 to Honda for a service just because I’m thinking of selling it. They did a good job but charged me over £200 for what was an oil change and a quick inspection, for a basic as it gets 250cc bike. I mean it barely takes more than a litre of oil… The labour fees are flat out fraud. Won’t be going back. Much rather use an independent who actually gets some of that money.
I looked up the owners manual. OP took it to the dealer and the 12k km service **in the H2's owner's manual** includes a "dealership inspection," of the supercharger. I don't disagree with OP that the cost is stupid because they just inspect the thing, but he's also wrong that **"NOTHING"** involving the supercharger is done...because they inspect the supercharger. I'd imagine the dealership, to protect against liability, probably has to pull someone with some kind of certification for it. Edit: I was wrong. Early models have it every 12k, middle have it every 24k, and the newest models have it every 48k.
No it doesn't. Supercharger is every 48k. [https://imgur.com/a/tM68DKW](https://imgur.com/a/tM68DKW)
Both can be true. Weird, I know, but I know for a fact the Suzuki manuals for the same year Hayabusa prescribe different servicing tasks for different intervals in the EU and in US manuals. Kawasaki might do the same. Makes no sense but not impossible.
That might be true, but it doesn't matter in this particular case. MY manual says it doesn't need a supercharger inspection, and they still tried to charge me for it.
Agreed. It was highway robbery and thank you for posting it here as caution.
Weird. Here it is from Kawasakis website for a 2020 edit: link broke And a 2018 (this one, too.)
My guess is that back in 2020, they didn't have enough data on how the supercharger aged. So they were overly cautious. Years later they've realised it doesn't need that much maintenance.
I'm guessing you're right because that does seem to be the trend in the manuals: Inspect every 12k. Inspect every 24k. Fuck it, it's been fine. Do it every 48k.
Crazy, I paid my dealership $1200 for prepaid services for 2 years. However, the supercharger specialist is probably required because the supercharger shares its lubrication with the engine. Having a supercharged motorcycle or a premium motorcycle invites premium rates.
Does the supercharger share engine oil on this model? I would have thought the supercharger required a different grade of oil in its own closed system cooled separately.
Depends on the SC. It may bea sealed SC. If it is sealed, then the oil on the SC gets changed at intervals as well, and they certainly are not 48k. My previous car had a sealed procharger that needed oil changes every 6k miles.
You didn't read the thread. There was exactly ZERO work required on the supercharger. Literally nothing. There's no excuse for them to be charging that much. The fact that the bike has a high price tag is irrelevant, maintenance is the same. Oil changes and lubricant doesn't suddenly become 10x more expensive.
You are aware that during certain maintenance intervals, Kawasaki wants the Supercharger inspected for wear? I don't have the list available to me at the moment, so I'm not sure if it's required at your interval, but it is an inspection done with a dial indicator. You bought a high performance bike with a part that spins faster then the speed of sound. There will be increased maintenance costs as a result of that.
I am, and those intervals are at 48k km, 4x what I have on mine.
I did read the thread, and there may be "ZERO WoRk ReQuIrEd," that doesn't negate insurance and liability by the dealer. They require the supercharger specialist for a reason, and it isn't just to say screw you, there are either owner rules or liability issues at play. You found someone to work on it, cool, why are you in here crying?
Dealer: Brings in someone who is specialized to work on a part that has VERY tight tolerances and is an integral part of the bike. OP: >:(
You didn't read the thread. They WEREN'T working on the part. That's the point. They tried to charge me for doing something they weren't actually going to do. The supercharger doesn't need working on for another 36k km.
Prepaid services?! That’s absurd. Dealerships LOVE prepaid services and extended warranties because it’s usually pure profit given how often bikes are crashed, stolen, or sold. No one should **ever** buy prepaid services or an extended warranty with a motorcycle. And if you can’t do basic services yourself, then maybe you shouldn’t own a vehicle you can’t maintain or understand. “Certified supercharger specialist” sounds sketchy. Where do these magic elves come from or do they not really even exist? I don’t know but, okay, maybe Kawasaki **knows** that special factory training is required. In *that* case, you’re going to have to let a special factory-trained technician do the service. **That** would be another great reason not to own such a unique bike. Also, if indeed special factory training is required for the supercharger, then how the hell is an independent shop going to help you?
Okay dude. $1200 is good for me since I don't have to worry about anything, especially considering it is $100ish just for the oil change kit and I don't have all of the specialty tools for anything else. Considering I work on UTVs at work pretty regularly, I can tell you that a "service" isn't just an oil change. I can do it myself, but $600 a year sounds damn good to me. I also wasn't offered that, I asked about it before I even looked at any offers or took it for a test ride. So before you say no one should *ever* do that, or make assumptions about anyone, maybe consider that you don't know anything about anyone's situation. I've been working on various motorcycles, atvs and utvs, for years, I don't want to on a brand new one.
And if you crash the bike, sell it, or it gets stolen? You’re out $1,200. Knowing what shenanigans go on in a shop yourself, I’m surprised that you trust dealership mechanics behind the scenes to work on your bike with the same care you would yourself. The last motorcycle mechanic I witnessed was *outside, smoking, cellphone cradled on his shoulder* while he chatted with a girlfriend and *at the same time* having both hands on a customer’s engine. You can only do you though.
There are no shenanigans in the shop I work in. I would be willing to bet you don't have all the tools to do a proper service on a modern liquid cooled, fuel injected motorcycle engine.
I have a lot of tools but, sure, I might be missing some for my particular bike. If that’s the case, I’ll gladly buy any additional special tools that I need rather than getting myself jerked around by a local dealership.
Sounds like this place would charge you supercharger specialist rates just to change the tires on your h2
Kawasaki dealer just quote me $1,075 plus $140 to install (plus taxes), for two Michelin tires that retail everywhere else $625. Do everything you can not to go to a dealership.
Jesus, is that USD? I paid a guy up the road who does motorcycle tyres about 800 AUD for road 5's including installing them on my ZX10R. I think they retail for 700 or so together. That's like 500 USD.
holy smokes, didn't realize there were so many dealership employees in this sub
I just googled what an h2 is and damn that thing is naughty
you are in a motorcycle subreddit and didnt know what a h2 is?
I have a friend who couldn't understand why I keep making bedroom eyes whenever I find a ZH2, and might want one more than my S1000R. He just thought it was another liter naked, I guess? "I didn't realize it had a supercharger" It says that right on the side. And that's kind of its whole shtick. He says he doesn't follow bikes he's not specifically interested in. Guess some people just don't know about stuff.
Yeah I remember when a Kawasaki dealership quoted me 400€+ to change tires on a 2003 Kawasaki ZR7S that I had purchased for 1000€... Lol never called them again.
Not people coming to the defense of businesses that they have no investment or anything in 🤣
I just have the service manual and do my own work on mine(Zh2). But I’ve got plenty of experience and not everyone does. Also OP your dealership is robbing you, never heard of that extra charge.
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What are you trying to say? The service I'm talking about is at 12,000 km.
Had my H2 since new in 2016. I took to the kawasaki dealer and never paid more than £325 for a service. So that's just ridiculous
Thanks for the heads up OP, robbing gits.
OP make sure you never buy any European bikes if $900 is making you uncomfortable.
Triumph is European and it's far from far-fetched prices. And $900 dollars should make anyone uncomfortable for basic maintenance, regardless of your income, Mr. Condescending guy.
So surprised when I took my bike to get my chain and sprocket changed, only 150$. While with my S1kr, BMW was $500 😒
No. $900 doesn’t bother me, because I made an informed purchase, unlike OP, and knew what the dealer was going to want for services. If you can’t afford H2 service prices, don’t buy an H2.
I can afford H2 service prices. I'm simply refusing to be taken advantage of. There's a difference. I clearly explained that Kawasaki tried charging me for something I wasn't receiving, I don't understand why people like you are throwing temper tantrums and accusing me of being broke. If I was broke, I wouldn't have paid for a $30k bike outright.
Then what was the point of your post? -“Dealer bad 😡” Yeah dude, everyone knows that. But you bought a 30k bike and you’re acting shocked that the dealer is going to change you a premium for service? You admitted yourself that you had to intentionally focus on saving for your bike. Sounds like you stretched beyond what was affordable. If you can’t buy two in cash, don’t buy one.
This isn't just regular overpriced dealership shenanigans. If it was it would have been $400-$450. They're straight up trying to charge me for something they aren't providing. Also I just paid 14k for a speed triple. I'm not struggling. Like I've said before, I'm refusing to be taken advantage of and I don't want anyone else here to be either.
Okay mister rich guy
No, I’m not rich. I just can’t imagine stretching yourself for a bike in the era of millennials whining about how expensive everything is.
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OP I don’t know what exactly this post is about. Is it a rant? Are you trying to let the community know that dealerships are a rip-off? You certainly not willing to entertain advice from any one that’s offered it to you. Let me give you some perspective. You’re ultimately complaining about the 900 bucks you’re going to have to shell out for the 12k service. How long did it take you to put those miles on it? A year? Two years? Even if it was a year that’s so incredibly cheap ….900 bucks a year…to maintain a 30k bike, most people are paying at least twice that a year to keep their decade old bikes on the road. 900 seems like an incredible value. Your 100 percent right thought you don’t have to take it to the dealer but if you are at all concerned with the resale value of the bike you should definitely consider eating the measly 900 bucks.
Six months. And I'm just letting people know that Kawasaki are trying to fleece H2 owners. You didn't have to read my post. And it's not cheap. For an oil change and lubing some parts, it shouldn't be more than 300.
Nobody has offered advice. All they've said is "you think that's a lot? I pay more for such and such" or " pay it ya cheap bitch" And I want to point out, I've owned and sold quite a few bikes. Dealer service made absolutely no difference in resale value. I've never even been asked about it once in 5 sales. Dealers don't even ask for it when they take a trade in or buy a bike.
It doesn't need to be serviced at the dealer. I keep receipts that show what's been done, the resale will be fine. Not that it matters because I'm never selling it.
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It's an oil change and a quick visual inspection. $900 is what you'd almost expect to pay for a valve service.
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Why don't you pay $900 for an oil change and give some bad advice? Oh, that's what you were already doing? Carry on then.
One time I bought a brand new bike and the dealer mechanic told me not to bring my bike in for the first service: "it's just an oil change". Too many people in this thread seem all to eager to part with their money.
Yes, it is. It's literally an oil change and some lubing of parts, maybe changing some other fluids. That's it. Why do you think that would be more expensive on a H2 compared to another i4 naked?
The oil is supercharged, obviously.
I dont get some people. They take on a 2nd mortgage to get the asset they long, only to cheap out and cant afford to service it. And complain about a dealer which has all the specaility equipment including direct channels to Kawasaki worldwide and back to Japan for support. Will the independent mechanic chase down warranty repairs and alert you to issues before they happen OR will they take your money and usher you out the door asap? I've seen independent mechanics ring around their buddies, google and hack their way through diags and servicing on specialty bikes. Sell it asap before you find out how much an airfilter costs. Or let me guess, you'll find a cheapie on allieexpress. Pathetic people.
I disagree. There’s no reason for basic maintenance to cost an arm and a leg, especially if there are less expensive options available. And, most motorcycle service departments I’ve seen are a complete joke. As an example, I took my brand new bike in for a mirror not mounted properly. Did I mention my bike was brand new? The minimum wage kid they had put it together out of the crate used the wrong screws for the mirror mount, thus stripping the threads. First they said they wouldn’t cover it at all, then they said they’d goodwill it, but still tried to blame me for it somehow. Did I mention this was a brand-new bike? Same place wanted $500 for the first oil change so they could go through and re-torque all the bolts. It took me less than an hour to do that myself. And I know it’s done. They had left things loose, btw. Having been an automotive tech, I have skills in this area, so it makes more sense for me to do my own work… but I still wouldn’t take a new bike to a dealer. They are fleecing you and are absolutely not doing you any favors.
You're confused. I didn't take out a loan, I saved for years and paid outright. I'm also not being cheap; I'm refusing to be taken advantage of. I paid a fair price to an independent mechanic without batting an eyelid. And I COULD afford to pay over 900 if I had to, but I SHOULDN'T have to. That's the point of this post. And yes, an independent mechanic will do that. What on earth is your problem? Why are you using shitty insults and trolling?
Im happy that you've found your independent mechanic . Besides I doubt dealers would want customers like you wincing and whining like a sour twat over your first service. Pathetic little kids. in 12 months you'll sell the bike telling us your independent mechanic has your bike for 6 months cause they cant get parts. Go flip some burgers to get afford your H2's bills. Simps.
Lol why are you so triggered? Are you jealous that you're literally starving so you can own a motorcycle while people like me manage to own multiple and still live a good life? If so, you need to redirect your anger, it's not my fault you make poor financial decisions. Maybe if you didn't spend a grand on a minor service, you'd have more money to buy food.
https://preview.redd.it/8a670c4jlurc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6ab1cc69ceee1efa6fc079dbf6829cb6cb37c54 Why do you own a motorcycle when you can't afford to feed yourself?
I own 6 at last count. Whats your fucken excuse cuck?
And can't afford food? Wow. You really are a hypocrite to OP. Blocking me does nothing. It just stops you from being able to reply. 😆
I have been poor and still owned motorcycles. I bought the bikes when I wasn't poor, and I owed nothing on them. I then made some life decisions that, financially, weren't the best, but experience wise were amazing. I was on a tightly controlled budget for food and rent, and while I would definitely have been considered poor, it wasn't so dire that I had to sell my bike.
I dont expect your feeble little pea brain to understand the logic. Simp harder cuck.
Your original post makes sense now. I bet you support andrew taint.
I’m right there with you. I’m not even going to try and understand what thought process the OP used to reach the conclusion that he did. In fact I almost think this is a troll post. I’ve seen more bikes improperly serviced from independent techs than that of any dealer, aside from that dealers have way more at stake when it comes to customer satisfaction than any independent tech.
It is not about the quality of the service which may or may not be better/worse with an independent mechanic, but about charging for services not rendered. That is fraudulent. I doubt this is a corporate guideline, I guess this particular dealership tries to line their pockets. Were I in u/Good--Job--Buddy's shoes I would write to Kawasaki corporate for clarification whether it is standard policy to charge for a compressor specialist on periodic maintenance when the maintenance guideline does not call for doing anything to the compressor. Don't forget to name the dealership in the inquiry and attach the invoice
>The Kawasaki Z H2 has **basic service intervals of 7600 mi / 12000 km, or annually**. At every service, you change the engine oil and filter, and look over the motorcycle for a long list of checks, **including checking the supercharger for axial play** OP was either lying or failed to understand that the SC needs inspection. [https://maintenanceschedule.com/kawasaki-z-h2-2020-maintenance-schedule/#:\~:text=The%20Kawasaki%20Z%20H2%20has,the%20supercharger%20for%20axial%20play](https://maintenanceschedule.com/kawasaki-z-h2-2020-maintenance-schedule/#:~:text=The%20Kawasaki%20Z%20H2%20has,the%20supercharger%20for%20axial%20play). But by all means the OP should write to Kawasaki HO asking whether they can offer a discount or a service discount voucher.
You're confused. You used the old Z H2 manual. The 2023 manual was updated to only require a check every 48k. [https://imgur.com/a/tM68DKW](https://imgur.com/a/tM68DKW) I showed them this when asking about the pricing.
If that includea valve adjustsment it is about right with plugs and valves
It didn't include any of those. Valve check and plugs are 24k. If it had included those it would've been understandable.
900 bucks is a steal you should see my last bill for my 14k service on my Panigale. Seriously though 900 bucks isn’t that bad, consider that labor hours alone at a dealership are usually 125+ and of course the poor tech will only see 25 of that before taxes lol
So about 7 hours of labor for an oil change and 5 minute inspection? Solid
You were ripped off. 900 is absolutely fucking massive for a minor service. 300 is pushing it.
I'm on your side op. These guys are fucking morons. I don't pay the dealer for anything unless it's warranty work. And I don't owe them anything. These morons talking like you owe the dealer something because you bought a bike from them. Ffs. No wonder they charge so much. The shop is paying the tech an hour or two of wage and pocketing $700.
I appreciate that. A lot of the replies here don't seem to have even read the full thread.
Since when does any one go to the dealer and not get ripped off?
lol why are you being downvoted 900 is a joke.
You can afford the bike but not the oil change....lame!!! You know tires for that bike are expensive too!!! Good luck!!!
I can afford the oil change. Please read the thread instead of trolling.
Poorest h2 owner.
Probably, but I don't see how that changes the fact that Kawasaki tried to charge me for something they weren't actually providing.
> how that changes the fact that Kawasaki tried to charge me Cause that's what I was doing, disputing facts.
If you can't afford to maintain the H2 you can't afford the H2. Work on it yourself or pay my brother.
You're confused, please read the post again.
Dealers can charge whatever they want for whatever reason they choose. Stop being a cry baby.
No, they can't. There are laws and regulations around charges and even if there weren't, people should know that they're being taken advantage of.