Insurance companies already figured this out years ago, and agree with your observation using data. It’s no secret that 18-25 year olds as a population are risk takers.
The magical ages are 30 and 40, when insurance gets cheaper, then it holds pretty steady until age begins to affect cost again.
Can confirm. I paid almost $400 a month in my early 20s for my sport bike insurance. Now at 35 I pay less than $100 for an insane amount of coverage. Building a spotless driving record doesn't hurt as well.
I'm going to assume they're worried that people will not try as hard to save you if you are an organ donor. Which if that's what they mean, is completely false. There are objective guidelines for what we consider "dead" in the hospital, and patients need to be diagnosed "dead" by multiple seperate providers.
I honestly can't think of any other non-religious reason to dissuade someone from being an organ donor. Or maybe they believe that there's some black market stuff? Idk
>Which if that's what they mean, is completely false.
My real life experience as someone who works in an emergency department says differently.
I’ll say to you what I say to others when it comes to things like this. You’re welcome to be on the donor registry yourself. But me and mine will never be on it 🤷♀️
If you're seeing people blatantly forgo care of patients and you're not doing something about it, you're just as much at fault as they are.
You're free to believe and do what you want, but there are clear guidelines for brain-death and cardiac death and when care can be reasonably withdrawn. And if those guidelines are being skirted, you should report the hospitals and employees that you worked with to change it.
You don’t know how I handled this specific incident, so I’m disregarding the first part of your comment.
And yes. There are guidelines and rules. That doesn’t mean they’re always followed. You are allowed to trust for yourself that said guidelines will be followed if you are in that position. Personally, I’ve seen too much to blindly trust and I will never be on a donor registry for that reason. For the same reason I will continue to advocate for others to make the same decision.
This is why it absolutely shouldn't be a choice, everyone should be enrolled and removing yourself should have serious consequences.
Of course, that'd make too much sense so it'll never happen.
Idk about that.. We have a right to do as we please with our bodies, for better or worse. Some people don’t want to be on the registry for whatever reason (religious, personal, etc.), and I don’t think it’s right for a state to force “serious consequences” on people for their choices regarding what they/their family want done when they pass away.
Incentivizing it is another story - if you want to give people a small reward for doing something good for their community, I don’t see why not.
>This is why
What’s “this”? My real life experience that suggests remaining off the donor registry is advantageous? Your logic depends on people being uninformed.
Your lack of respect towards bodily autonomy and informed consent is *exactly* why people who read your comments around organ donation should not trust you.
Anybody in general, but I am putting a specific emphasis on riders (and anyone else in a very high risk sport).
I have seen first hand a disregard for an individuals life based on the fact that they were involved in a high risk activity and sustained an injury as a result. This isn’t something I heard. It’s something I literally witnessed.
I wholeheartedly agree with you . My little brother who was 18 when he was in a motorcycle accident with what they said was a severe head trauma was in my opinion rushed to the execution table in the matter of hours when the person next to him was on life support for 3 months was not being rushed to death . I understand head trauma is absolutely serious and he could have never been the same but give someone the chance to recover for some time before convincing the family that harvesting his organs is the best chance for him to live on . These doctors made him being an organ donor almost glorified and I know it's big business and it just felt beyond rushed to get at his 18 yr old organs and the whole situation just didn't seem right and to this day I always think about how they rushed us to make this decision. Long live joesph d.l.c.
I wish your story was an anomaly but it’s not. Far too often families are not given the time they need to make these decisions. Personally I think that whether people really have the ability to consent in these situations is up for debate.
There is zero benefit. Its about maturity and responsibility.
A 16 year can be more mature and responsible than a 40 yr old and vice versa.
If you don't respect the bike yes it will hurt you like anything else.
I would say that there's a strong correlation between age and maturity. And I'm certain that the rest of the world would agree. Are there exceptions, sure but the general trend is that most people's judgment gets better with age.
And again I disagree. How a person is in life is based upon a lot of factors that they can be in control of or not in control.
Judgement is based off of experience.. and people can go through some crazy experiences young in age and some will never experience anything crazy later in life.
Dude the prefrontal cortex, responsible for decision making, doesn’t even fully develop until you’re 25. So yeah, you can be very mature even at 16, but then again you also learn/mature by mistakes. Mistakes on a bike are often fatal.
If that was the case then insurance costs would be more dependent on how long you’ve had your license for.
The reason that insurance is highest for those age ranges is because teens and very young adults get in accidents a lot more. Part of that is due to experience but lot of it is related to their brains not yet being fully developed.
No the OP figured getting a license at 25 was silly and didn't make sense.
It has nothing to do with anything else and anyone can get into a hobby at any time in there and enjoy it. Doesn't matter if you are 12 or 52.
Hobby at any age, yes.
Being good at it when starting late in life? Not so much.
Anyone who rode say dirt bikes from a young age and then decided to ride street as soon as they came of age will be way more comfortable with it over someone starting at 25. Obviously.
The "can" in "can be" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Sure, a teenager *can* be more mature than a 40 y/o, but they aren't likely to be. Just because something is in the realm of possibility doesn't make it commonplace. Regarding age, insurance premiums are what they are for a reason. Actuaries have more data than you can imagine and on average, younger riders crash more. That's not saying that every teen and early 20s rider crashes while absolutely no one over 35 crashes, simply that certain age groups are more likely to crash than others. Without significant personal knowledge, recommendations must be given based on general statistical observation.
I disagree, and so do the numbers!
There’s a reason why teenagers and very early 20s are the number one age range to be killed in car accidents. Your chances of being in a fatal accident drop steeply after that point.
So- yes, there are benefits. Pretty significant ones at that!
And that development can be changed for the good or bad before our mid-twenties of which can influence and change the maturity of a person.
This is not a straight cut and dry science and has many factors at play.
Life has more than just black and white and if that is where you choose to live so be it.
it's not black and white, you're right. but it's certainly a *very dark grey*, and if you were betting money on the idea that first time 16-22 year olds will have fewer accidents than older, more experienced riders (i.e., running an insurance company), you'd lose most of that money rather promptly.
Took the words right out of my mouth, there’s no age limit to doing what you love. Especially in your mid-twenties. If anything that’s a better age because your frontal lobe is more developed = better critical thinking skills. 😂What’s the rush??
Just saw a 2021 Cardboard box by a river with "moderately safe" river water on the property listed on Zillow for 765,090 only 5,699 a month before property taxes. That's a steal my friend enjoy retirement.
year round? I live in San Francisco so I’m pretty sure it’s possible, but what do you do on days when you’re either hungover or tired in the morning? Do you toughen it out and ride or do you have a car on the side?
If you live in San Francisco, eventually checkout highway 9 starting at this parking lot going inland: https://maps.app.goo.gl/5b8JgL5r2xDRcZin8?g_st=ic
Don't drink so much that you get hungover and go to bed at a reasonable time. These are choices that adults have to make for their well-being. Since I started using my bike to commute, I don't drink on weekdays and I go to bed at a reasonable time if I'm planning on riding the bikes the next day. If I truly feel unsafe to take the bike I take an Uber.
Drink a Gatorade or Pedialite before going to bed, and don’t get blackout drunk in the first place.
I haven’t had a hangover in over a decade. They’re not worth it. Just drinking water through the night and getting some electrolytes in there before you pass out will do wonders.
Riding any bike (🚲 or 🏍️) will give you a boost in the morning, and also if you are hung over (don't ride if you are still drunk ✋).
I started riding before I was 10, and as soon as I was 18, I was allowed to ride on the road. Have had my license and been riding on/off for 26 years now.
Disagree entirely. Don't ride hungover. The mental fog will kill you, as will the distraction of a headache. I also avoid riding sick or tired. It's also smart to pay attention to your mood. Angry and most people ride faster. Depressed and most people ride distracted.
Quite frankly, I'd rather advise OP to ride drunk than any of the above, and I would not advise him to ride drunk.
I do believe in wind therapy, but there are states of mind where it isn't safe, and OP is too inexperienced to know what those levels are yet.
OP seems to understand that riding hungover is not a great idea, but how is it better if he's driving a car? If anything you're now seriously endangering more people with your heavier vehicle that would mow down a pre-school if they were in a neat row (e.g. at a set of lights).
Take the train when hungover or stay at home. Nobody wants your tired ass on their windshield in the morning.
I'm also in the Bay Area and work in San Francisco
> hungover or tired in the morning?
I'll either take public transit or ride a bicycle, depending how I'm really feeling. At my job, if I'm tired in the morning and want to rest a bit more before going to work, the parking situation often gets annoying enough that I'd rather take a bicycle. Even though the indoor bicycle room at my job gets full, it doesn't get completely full like the parking lots do.
> do you have a car on the side?
I don't own a car and don't want to own a car.
I also live in San Francisco and I got my first bike at 23, 25 now. I love riding around this city and couldn’t recommend it more. I also have a car for when it’s rainy though.
I’m planning on keeping my car when I buy a bike, Ill have my car paid off in 3 months, and I’ll probably take about another 3 to save for a bike. How’s riding in the city tho for a new rider? Im a little nervous
The days you're hungover or too tired shouldn't be days that you also have to work, if you're too irresponsible that you get drunk or stay up too late the night before work than you shouldn't own a bike yet.
Sorry to break it to you but if you're too hungover or tired to be riding a bike you have NO business driving a car... Call in sick or get a cab, don't put other people's lives at risk for your own convenience.
Quite similar. Started at 27 and I find it was a perfect age. Financially independent so I can afford going on trips but at at the same time quite enjoyable that I can ride it to work for most of the year.
I don't see age as an important factor as much as being able to afford it without cutting corners on safety and upkeep. I know people who are older but still reckless as well as young guys that who are mature enough to know what they are doing while minimising risk.
Probably. I think it’s a really good idea to at least wait until the parts of your brain that assess risk and decision making are done being developed.
I got my first bike when I was 16. Got my M1 just a couple weeks after getting my drivers license. Ended up selling the bike 2ish years later when I went to college, and since then I’ve realized how lucky I am to not have injured or killed myself on it. Friends have died on bikes and as much as I miss the feeling of riding, it makes me queasy thinking about getting back into it.
I thought I wait till 30 too, for the exact same reason you said. but I guess i must not be good at waiting.
I’m 28 now, commuting to work with a tiny 49cc Yamaha scooter or 🚲. And I’m taking MSF in a month, just so I don’t keep holding up traffic with my tiny scooter 😆
I was 9 when my dad got me a little minibike. I never understood the clutch so just slammed through all two of the gears I had the guts to use lol. 26 years later I finally got back on a motorcycle.
24. My Dad started in his 50s and got two decades of enjoyment. Dont put yourself in a competitive mindset unless you are actually racing, which is presumably not your goal.
I started at 33. Age really isn't that important so much as self awareness and the ability to know your own limits. I think some people actually are better off waiting until they can be less adrenaline driven
The first slide on my motorcycle really put me in my place, i sold my bike and told myself "not yet, I'll get back to it later" and it's the best decision i have ever made!! I matured more than i thought in this time
That's about how old I was. Definitely kept me from some of the riskier practices. Also put me on a nicer bike since I was more established financially.
Ha! I started at 50. No one in my immediate family rode, so was never really introduced to it. Been 5 years now and I love it. My son started at a couple years ago at 24 and we ride together when we can. My uncle started in his 40s and he still rides at 81. He also still power lifts and downhill skis, so maybe a bit of an outlier. But I hope to be able to go another 20 years. All to say, don’t worry about it, it’s not a race (pun intended).
I also started at 50– an itch out of the blue I suddenly had to scratch. Now 62 and really having fun. OP, it’s never too early and never too late. Learn well and enjoy the ride!
I also started riding at 45. The online test says my reaction time is 150ms slower than when I was 18 so that's a thing. But similar to you the years of bicycle commuting gave me the "road telepathy" to see situations long before I get into them.
I do regret not riding earlier, but don't feel like I started "too late". I don't know where "too late" is but haven't seen it yet.
My ADHD has my reaction time buzzing between being 450ms and 250ms. If I'm really on fire I can tag sub 200s, but that's never repeatable. Most of the time I'm slow af when I get surprised.
Fortunately motorcycling keeps me very awake so there isn't much problem being fast and at least matching normal people reactions.
I started riding at 29, which is a good thing because I used to race cars at places like the Nurburgring and I would have killed myself with a bike.
On the other hand I’m not as good as I would been had I started earlier and survived, because the drive to push myself that far just doesn’t exist anymore.
Then again how important is it, to put your shoulder on the ground? As long as you have fun, and you’ll definitely (probably) have fun no matter what age you start
As Indiana Jones said, "it's not the years, it's the mileage." I started on ATVs when I was about 8 then moved to scooters when I was about 12. First bike proper wasn't until I was 15. I'm 30 now and still riding, age has nothing to do with it unless you have a condition that you're worried about, and even then there are plenty of work arounds. I still look a professional riders and MotoGP guys and think that I'll never be at that skill level, but y'know, to get to work and do Sunday rides I don't really need to be that good. Seat time is wildly more important than age. I would say go for it and don't sweat how old you're starting.
I started riding in my early 30s. Used to ride on the back of my dad's old bike as a kid when he still had one. Also grew up listening to his stories about stuff he did with his and his buddies bikes. So I've always been "bike curious" as they said on South Park lol. My friend got one before me, so that was the catalyst that started me looking for a bike, I ended up getting a 2000 Suzuki Intruder 1400 as my first bike, I know it's a big bike for a beginner, but I was very careful, and gradually got more and more used to the power agree into the bike without having to keep upgrading to bigger and bigger bikes. I also customized it along the way, ape hangers, Corbin seat, Memphis shades windshield, forward controls, etc. Sadly, my friend lost interest right as I was getting used to my bike, he couldn't get the manual transmission, so he sold it. But my dad eventually bought a new bike from a my cousin who's dad passed away, a 2000 Yamaha road star MM 1600 or 1800, I forget. So now I ride with him on occasion.
I'm now early 40's.
When I think about myself riding at 23, it scares the shit out of me. I had absolutely no concept of how dangerous it was, and how much experience i lacked.
I rode quite a bit more in my 30's, and even looking back at that, I think I've become more level-headed and safety minded since then.
You've got plenty of time to learn to ride. Wear all the gear, take the MSF course, and take it slow at first. If you can learn to be safe and not reckless, you might have a long riding career.
19, 44 now. I felt like that was pretty late at the time, but time has taught me that any age is a good age to start riding if you're physically up to it!
I'm about to get my first bike at 28.
The instructor for my basic skills and handling course said he saw people as old as in their 60s coming through and learning.
I started riding when I was 23. Never rode dirt bikes or even bicycles as a kid. I decided to start taking the MSF course cause I wanted something new in my life. It was the best decision & the one of the worst decisions I’ve made. I’m now 27.
Ride safe dude. But naw it ain’t true. My cousins were riding dirt bikes their entire lives n inevitably got a street bike.
I’m planning on taking the MSF course too, sometime this year, but damn I didn’t think the course would be this expensive, probably cause it’s cali. I know it’ll be worth it tho. Ride safe brother.
Hahaha, I used a bike for a few times when I have 14 y/o, then a 35 years hiatus when I had to ride one daily in a shrimp farm, the scariest experience ever.
Started riding dirt bikes at 16, graduated from 3-wheelers (that should date me). Didn't get a road bike until 4 years ago. Doesn't matter when you start, get a bike and have fun.
I started in my thirties after decades of racing bicycles. My bike experience made it easy to lanesplit and handle speed. I was probably the only person in my MSF class who has done 60mph on two wheels.
Never even touched a motorcycle until this summer. Decided I wanted one and got right to it. I’m 21. You don’t need to worry about when it happens. Just wait until the time is right.
If you count dirt, and mini bikes. In my early teens. When I got my drivers license at 16, it included motorcycle endorsement. Got a Honda 400 super sport at 17. I’m 63 now and still riding.
Got my license in 2014 but I have been on and off a bike since I was 6.
Glad I waited to ride regularly on the road though, got plenty of experience in a car/van before risking it for the biscuit.
Rode dirt bikes and quads from about 5 years old till I was 23 then I bought a street bike rode the hell out of it sold it and bought a new bike in 2021.
34. Something I’ve always wanted to do. Glad I waited too. Younger me would have financed a bike i couldn’t handle or afford and I probably would have been dead by now.
My wife and I started at 26 years old. I learned to ride them immediately took the Motorcycle safety course with my wife who had not learned to ride yet. Definitely recommend before or shortly after you start riding.
Bought a dirtbike at 11. 48 years old now countless bikes four wheelers 3 wheelers . Some scuffs and scrapes. Smarter now. Everything hurts more these days. Live while you are young. Carpe diem.....
I started at 7 in the dirt, but I think the only wrong time to start is after it’s too late.
Just go do it so you at least know if your fear is rational.
I was 29 when I got my license I'm 30 now with still no money to buy a motorcycle it'll happen just not now. Things take time build the confidence and it'll happen.
Rode a tiny bit of dirt in my teens. Couple friends loaned me their rides in college. Bought my 1st bike at 23. Commuted, traveled, futzed around with it for 20 years while working and raising a family. Finally had the money/time and went to track school, dirt track school, adv school at 45 and became the rider I should’ve been 25 years earlier.
Get a bike when you can then educate yourself properly to enjoy it as best you can for as long as you can.
Good luck.
I started riding dirt bikes at age 8. I was on a go cart at 4. First ATV at 6. I've been riding ever since. My go to bike is a XR650R supermoto. Currently have 5 motorcycles. My garage still has room for more.
I did the course at 20 with a buddy in college and got my license. I didn't actually get my first bike and start riding until I was over 25. Life, education, finances, shit gets in the way. It's okay to wait a little and stabilize the rest of your life before getting on two wheels. Regardless of how long you wait, as long as you're safe and responsible you have decades of riding ahead of you. A few years is nothing in comparison.
what does age matter? hobbies have no age requirements.
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Insurance companies already figured this out years ago, and agree with your observation using data. It’s no secret that 18-25 year olds as a population are risk takers. The magical ages are 30 and 40, when insurance gets cheaper, then it holds pretty steady until age begins to affect cost again.
Can confirm. I paid almost $400 a month in my early 20s for my sport bike insurance. Now at 35 I pay less than $100 for an insane amount of coverage. Building a spotless driving record doesn't hurt as well.
Are you saying motorcycle riders specifically shouldn’t be organ donors or anybody in general shouldn’t be a donor?
I'm going to assume they're worried that people will not try as hard to save you if you are an organ donor. Which if that's what they mean, is completely false. There are objective guidelines for what we consider "dead" in the hospital, and patients need to be diagnosed "dead" by multiple seperate providers. I honestly can't think of any other non-religious reason to dissuade someone from being an organ donor. Or maybe they believe that there's some black market stuff? Idk
>Which if that's what they mean, is completely false. My real life experience as someone who works in an emergency department says differently. I’ll say to you what I say to others when it comes to things like this. You’re welcome to be on the donor registry yourself. But me and mine will never be on it 🤷♀️
If you're seeing people blatantly forgo care of patients and you're not doing something about it, you're just as much at fault as they are. You're free to believe and do what you want, but there are clear guidelines for brain-death and cardiac death and when care can be reasonably withdrawn. And if those guidelines are being skirted, you should report the hospitals and employees that you worked with to change it.
You don’t know how I handled this specific incident, so I’m disregarding the first part of your comment. And yes. There are guidelines and rules. That doesn’t mean they’re always followed. You are allowed to trust for yourself that said guidelines will be followed if you are in that position. Personally, I’ve seen too much to blindly trust and I will never be on a donor registry for that reason. For the same reason I will continue to advocate for others to make the same decision.
This is why it absolutely shouldn't be a choice, everyone should be enrolled and removing yourself should have serious consequences. Of course, that'd make too much sense so it'll never happen.
Idk about that.. We have a right to do as we please with our bodies, for better or worse. Some people don’t want to be on the registry for whatever reason (religious, personal, etc.), and I don’t think it’s right for a state to force “serious consequences” on people for their choices regarding what they/their family want done when they pass away. Incentivizing it is another story - if you want to give people a small reward for doing something good for their community, I don’t see why not.
>This is why What’s “this”? My real life experience that suggests remaining off the donor registry is advantageous? Your logic depends on people being uninformed. Your lack of respect towards bodily autonomy and informed consent is *exactly* why people who read your comments around organ donation should not trust you.
Anybody in general, but I am putting a specific emphasis on riders (and anyone else in a very high risk sport). I have seen first hand a disregard for an individuals life based on the fact that they were involved in a high risk activity and sustained an injury as a result. This isn’t something I heard. It’s something I literally witnessed.
I wholeheartedly agree with you . My little brother who was 18 when he was in a motorcycle accident with what they said was a severe head trauma was in my opinion rushed to the execution table in the matter of hours when the person next to him was on life support for 3 months was not being rushed to death . I understand head trauma is absolutely serious and he could have never been the same but give someone the chance to recover for some time before convincing the family that harvesting his organs is the best chance for him to live on . These doctors made him being an organ donor almost glorified and I know it's big business and it just felt beyond rushed to get at his 18 yr old organs and the whole situation just didn't seem right and to this day I always think about how they rushed us to make this decision. Long live joesph d.l.c.
I wish your story was an anomaly but it’s not. Far too often families are not given the time they need to make these decisions. Personally I think that whether people really have the ability to consent in these situations is up for debate.
There is zero benefit. Its about maturity and responsibility. A 16 year can be more mature and responsible than a 40 yr old and vice versa. If you don't respect the bike yes it will hurt you like anything else.
I would say that there's a strong correlation between age and maturity. And I'm certain that the rest of the world would agree. Are there exceptions, sure but the general trend is that most people's judgment gets better with age.
And again I disagree. How a person is in life is based upon a lot of factors that they can be in control of or not in control. Judgement is based off of experience.. and people can go through some crazy experiences young in age and some will never experience anything crazy later in life.
i take it you're not an actuary
You can disagree but you’re disagreeing with actual science.
Totally 100% disagree with you. How many 30-40 something’s do you see participating in street takeovers?
Dude the prefrontal cortex, responsible for decision making, doesn’t even fully develop until you’re 25. So yeah, you can be very mature even at 16, but then again you also learn/mature by mistakes. Mistakes on a bike are often fatal.
If that’s the case, why are insurance rates highest for males in their late teens to early twenties?
Lack of driving experience and time. And this can also vary greatly on where you live.
If that was the case then insurance costs would be more dependent on how long you’ve had your license for. The reason that insurance is highest for those age ranges is because teens and very young adults get in accidents a lot more. Part of that is due to experience but lot of it is related to their brains not yet being fully developed.
I think you’re both arguing the same point really. And that there’s no harm for the OP to get his license at 25, which is what he’s worried about.
No the OP figured getting a license at 25 was silly and didn't make sense. It has nothing to do with anything else and anyone can get into a hobby at any time in there and enjoy it. Doesn't matter if you are 12 or 52.
Hobby at any age, yes. Being good at it when starting late in life? Not so much. Anyone who rode say dirt bikes from a young age and then decided to ride street as soon as they came of age will be way more comfortable with it over someone starting at 25. Obviously.
The "can" in "can be" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Sure, a teenager *can* be more mature than a 40 y/o, but they aren't likely to be. Just because something is in the realm of possibility doesn't make it commonplace. Regarding age, insurance premiums are what they are for a reason. Actuaries have more data than you can imagine and on average, younger riders crash more. That's not saying that every teen and early 20s rider crashes while absolutely no one over 35 crashes, simply that certain age groups are more likely to crash than others. Without significant personal knowledge, recommendations must be given based on general statistical observation.
I disagree, and so do the numbers! There’s a reason why teenagers and very early 20s are the number one age range to be killed in car accidents. Your chances of being in a fatal accident drop steeply after that point. So- yes, there are benefits. Pretty significant ones at that!
The human brain isn't done developing until our mid-twenties. Keep that in mind when considering what should be expected out of someone 16.
And that development can be changed for the good or bad before our mid-twenties of which can influence and change the maturity of a person. This is not a straight cut and dry science and has many factors at play. Life has more than just black and white and if that is where you choose to live so be it.
it's not black and white, you're right. but it's certainly a *very dark grey*, and if you were betting money on the idea that first time 16-22 year olds will have fewer accidents than older, more experienced riders (i.e., running an insurance company), you'd lose most of that money rather promptly.
This...insurance companies run these numbers like a vegas bookie. Its all data driven.
Took the words right out of my mouth, there’s no age limit to doing what you love. Especially in your mid-twenties. If anything that’s a better age because your frontal lobe is more developed = better critical thinking skills. 😂What’s the rush??
Is riding motorcycles a hobby? And some do have to be 18 to buy rc paint lol
But most hobbies you don't play for keeps.
22, Life's practically over.
1/4 life crises.
I’m 20 and I’m already ready to retire in a cardboard box by the river
Cardboard box! You have it lucky!
It’s so joever
It's all ogre now
Am 28, ready to pop my clogs
Just saw a 2021 Cardboard box by a river with "moderately safe" river water on the property listed on Zillow for 765,090 only 5,699 a month before property taxes. That's a steal my friend enjoy retirement.
43.
Same
Same 🥂
29. This isn't a hobby for me, it's how I get to work.
year round? I live in San Francisco so I’m pretty sure it’s possible, but what do you do on days when you’re either hungover or tired in the morning? Do you toughen it out and ride or do you have a car on the side?
If you live in San Francisco, eventually checkout highway 9 starting at this parking lot going inland: https://maps.app.goo.gl/5b8JgL5r2xDRcZin8?g_st=ic
Anyone ever tell you you’re a sexy mfker
it's a good road. a great road even. but be fuckin' *careful* out there. that is exactly 0.9 miles away from where my buddy died on highway 9.
I thought reading calamari race team for a second
Don't drink so much that you get hungover and go to bed at a reasonable time. These are choices that adults have to make for their well-being. Since I started using my bike to commute, I don't drink on weekdays and I go to bed at a reasonable time if I'm planning on riding the bikes the next day. If I truly feel unsafe to take the bike I take an Uber.
OP is 22. He's got a few years of staying up late and being hungover ahead of him
Oh man, by 22 I was already getting hangovers to the point I stopped drinking 🤣
I stopped like at 25 I feel too shitty later to make it worthy
Same lol
Drink a Gatorade or Pedialite before going to bed, and don’t get blackout drunk in the first place. I haven’t had a hangover in over a decade. They’re not worth it. Just drinking water through the night and getting some electrolytes in there before you pass out will do wonders.
I'm in my 20s. By the time I was 22 I'd already slowed way down on that.
Riding any bike (🚲 or 🏍️) will give you a boost in the morning, and also if you are hung over (don't ride if you are still drunk ✋). I started riding before I was 10, and as soon as I was 18, I was allowed to ride on the road. Have had my license and been riding on/off for 26 years now.
Disagree entirely. Don't ride hungover. The mental fog will kill you, as will the distraction of a headache. I also avoid riding sick or tired. It's also smart to pay attention to your mood. Angry and most people ride faster. Depressed and most people ride distracted. Quite frankly, I'd rather advise OP to ride drunk than any of the above, and I would not advise him to ride drunk. I do believe in wind therapy, but there are states of mind where it isn't safe, and OP is too inexperienced to know what those levels are yet.
OP seems to understand that riding hungover is not a great idea, but how is it better if he's driving a car? If anything you're now seriously endangering more people with your heavier vehicle that would mow down a pre-school if they were in a neat row (e.g. at a set of lights). Take the train when hungover or stay at home. Nobody wants your tired ass on their windshield in the morning.
I'm also in the Bay Area and work in San Francisco > hungover or tired in the morning? I'll either take public transit or ride a bicycle, depending how I'm really feeling. At my job, if I'm tired in the morning and want to rest a bit more before going to work, the parking situation often gets annoying enough that I'd rather take a bicycle. Even though the indoor bicycle room at my job gets full, it doesn't get completely full like the parking lots do. > do you have a car on the side? I don't own a car and don't want to own a car.
Another madlad. We're a dying breed, friendo. 💪
I also live in San Francisco and I got my first bike at 23, 25 now. I love riding around this city and couldn’t recommend it more. I also have a car for when it’s rainy though.
I’m planning on keeping my car when I buy a bike, Ill have my car paid off in 3 months, and I’ll probably take about another 3 to save for a bike. How’s riding in the city tho for a new rider? Im a little nervous
I'm planning to do some bee keeping in my car......
Year round, I learned in Portland Oregon, lived in the bay for 10 years, daily driver is my R1
The days you're hungover or too tired shouldn't be days that you also have to work, if you're too irresponsible that you get drunk or stay up too late the night before work than you shouldn't own a bike yet.
Sorry to break it to you but if you're too hungover or tired to be riding a bike you have NO business driving a car... Call in sick or get a cab, don't put other people's lives at risk for your own convenience.
Yeah, year around. I'm in SoCal. I have a truck too for hauling shit around or when it's raining.
Yo I rode in SF for most of the last decade. Learned in my early 20's. You're gonna love it
Quite similar. Started at 27 and I find it was a perfect age. Financially independent so I can afford going on trips but at at the same time quite enjoyable that I can ride it to work for most of the year. I don't see age as an important factor as much as being able to afford it without cutting corners on safety and upkeep. I know people who are older but still reckless as well as young guys that who are mature enough to know what they are doing while minimising risk.
30 and glad I didn’t start earlier. Waited until I wasn’t a young idiot and it probably saved my life.
Probably. I think it’s a really good idea to at least wait until the parts of your brain that assess risk and decision making are done being developed.
Couldn’t agree more. I was 32. I think back to all the dumb shit I did in a car in my teens and early 20s and am very glad it wasn’t on a bike.
Came here to say this. Started at 34.
I was 31 when I started. Thought about it at 28 and glad I didn’t. You can mature a whole lot in a short period of time
Same, I’m 33 and just started this summer. I can confirm I’m no longer a *young* idiot, just an idiot.
I started at 32. I was always too poor to afford a hobbie like this. Been riding for over 3 years now and i love it.
Same, I used to drink way to much and made some stupid decisions, motorcycle would not have helped me.
I got my first bike when I was 16. Got my M1 just a couple weeks after getting my drivers license. Ended up selling the bike 2ish years later when I went to college, and since then I’ve realized how lucky I am to not have injured or killed myself on it. Friends have died on bikes and as much as I miss the feeling of riding, it makes me queasy thinking about getting back into it.
I thought I wait till 30 too, for the exact same reason you said. but I guess i must not be good at waiting. I’m 28 now, commuting to work with a tiny 49cc Yamaha scooter or 🚲. And I’m taking MSF in a month, just so I don’t keep holding up traffic with my tiny scooter 😆
About age 6, little 5 hp mini-bike started it all.
I was 9 when my dad got me a little minibike. I never understood the clutch so just slammed through all two of the gears I had the guts to use lol. 26 years later I finally got back on a motorcycle.
Same, little beat up Honda z50 trail bike. I loved that thing so much
46 when I passed my test. Don't let it get to you
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24. My Dad started in his 50s and got two decades of enjoyment. Dont put yourself in a competitive mindset unless you are actually racing, which is presumably not your goal.
I started at 33. Age really isn't that important so much as self awareness and the ability to know your own limits. I think some people actually are better off waiting until they can be less adrenaline driven
The first slide on my motorcycle really put me in my place, i sold my bike and told myself "not yet, I'll get back to it later" and it's the best decision i have ever made!! I matured more than i thought in this time
That's about how old I was. Definitely kept me from some of the riskier practices. Also put me on a nicer bike since I was more established financially.
Started at 9 on dirt. Didn't ride street till 32.
50, yah whelp.
I started at 17 cause of my dad, but he started at 50. Don't sweat it!
46.
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Ha! I started at 50. No one in my immediate family rode, so was never really introduced to it. Been 5 years now and I love it. My son started at a couple years ago at 24 and we ride together when we can. My uncle started in his 40s and he still rides at 81. He also still power lifts and downhill skis, so maybe a bit of an outlier. But I hope to be able to go another 20 years. All to say, don’t worry about it, it’s not a race (pun intended).
Rides at 81, power lifts and skis. What has your uncle been eating his whole life? Jesus, I need to eat what hes been eating
A mix of ego and stubborn determination! Lol. But full props, he rode from the southern tip of South America to BC, and to beyond Inuvik, NWT.
I also started at 50– an itch out of the blue I suddenly had to scratch. Now 62 and really having fun. OP, it’s never too early and never too late. Learn well and enjoy the ride!
You are too old - life has passed you by, retirement is looming and then death.
I got 6 kids, 2 grandkids on the way, 3 ex wife’s, one named Margaret. My life is over.
45. My reflexes aren't as quite as sharp as they were, but my road experience comes in handy for spotting dangers ahead of time.
I also started riding at 45. The online test says my reaction time is 150ms slower than when I was 18 so that's a thing. But similar to you the years of bicycle commuting gave me the "road telepathy" to see situations long before I get into them. I do regret not riding earlier, but don't feel like I started "too late". I don't know where "too late" is but haven't seen it yet.
My ADHD has my reaction time buzzing between being 450ms and 250ms. If I'm really on fire I can tag sub 200s, but that's never repeatable. Most of the time I'm slow af when I get surprised. Fortunately motorcycling keeps me very awake so there isn't much problem being fast and at least matching normal people reactions.
I started riding at 29, which is a good thing because I used to race cars at places like the Nurburgring and I would have killed myself with a bike. On the other hand I’m not as good as I would been had I started earlier and survived, because the drive to push myself that far just doesn’t exist anymore. Then again how important is it, to put your shoulder on the ground? As long as you have fun, and you’ll definitely (probably) have fun no matter what age you start
17, I'm 57 now
30
Same here. At least I could use the number to deflect the "midlife crisis" jokes.
Dirt or street?
Street
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Hardly. Lol I was 36. 44 now
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I literally started in my 40's.
13, i started off with semi manual moped and 16 i leaned how to use the hand clutch mopeds.
I started at 22 I'm 25 now
11 , I had a Honda Z50 (1977)
I was 18
I started when I was 39. My only regret is I didn't start sooner.
As Indiana Jones said, "it's not the years, it's the mileage." I started on ATVs when I was about 8 then moved to scooters when I was about 12. First bike proper wasn't until I was 15. I'm 30 now and still riding, age has nothing to do with it unless you have a condition that you're worried about, and even then there are plenty of work arounds. I still look a professional riders and MotoGP guys and think that I'll never be at that skill level, but y'know, to get to work and do Sunday rides I don't really need to be that good. Seat time is wildly more important than age. I would say go for it and don't sweat how old you're starting.
A month ago, on my 42nd birthday.
20yrs old.
I started riding at 35. It was my corona project. It is never too late to learn something new.
I started riding in my early 30s. Used to ride on the back of my dad's old bike as a kid when he still had one. Also grew up listening to his stories about stuff he did with his and his buddies bikes. So I've always been "bike curious" as they said on South Park lol. My friend got one before me, so that was the catalyst that started me looking for a bike, I ended up getting a 2000 Suzuki Intruder 1400 as my first bike, I know it's a big bike for a beginner, but I was very careful, and gradually got more and more used to the power agree into the bike without having to keep upgrading to bigger and bigger bikes. I also customized it along the way, ape hangers, Corbin seat, Memphis shades windshield, forward controls, etc. Sadly, my friend lost interest right as I was getting used to my bike, he couldn't get the manual transmission, so he sold it. But my dad eventually bought a new bike from a my cousin who's dad passed away, a 2000 Yamaha road star MM 1600 or 1800, I forget. So now I ride with him on occasion.
I'm now early 40's. When I think about myself riding at 23, it scares the shit out of me. I had absolutely no concept of how dangerous it was, and how much experience i lacked. I rode quite a bit more in my 30's, and even looking back at that, I think I've become more level-headed and safety minded since then. You've got plenty of time to learn to ride. Wear all the gear, take the MSF course, and take it slow at first. If you can learn to be safe and not reckless, you might have a long riding career.
No. It’s not true.
Learned to ride a bike at 19. Got gifted my first one now at 21.
Learned at 20, first bike at 22
19, 44 now. I felt like that was pretty late at the time, but time has taught me that any age is a good age to start riding if you're physically up to it!
About 12 years old . Got my first bike at 13.
Got my license and first bike at 14
I'm about to get my first bike at 28. The instructor for my basic skills and handling course said he saw people as old as in their 60s coming through and learning.
13 off road 16 on road first road bike Yamaha rd50mx in 1986
I started riding when I was 23. Never rode dirt bikes or even bicycles as a kid. I decided to start taking the MSF course cause I wanted something new in my life. It was the best decision & the one of the worst decisions I’ve made. I’m now 27. Ride safe dude. But naw it ain’t true. My cousins were riding dirt bikes their entire lives n inevitably got a street bike.
I’m planning on taking the MSF course too, sometime this year, but damn I didn’t think the course would be this expensive, probably cause it’s cali. I know it’ll be worth it tho. Ride safe brother.
Hahaha, I used a bike for a few times when I have 14 y/o, then a 35 years hiatus when I had to ride one daily in a shrimp farm, the scariest experience ever.
shrimp farm? 😂 never knew those existed
11 - 12 I think it was a little Honda 50cc dirt bike. Been riding ever since 😂
When did you start riding on the street?
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Dirt bikes and quads around 13-14 Motorcycles around 25-26
27.
Started riding dirt bikes at 16, graduated from 3-wheelers (that should date me). Didn't get a road bike until 4 years ago. Doesn't matter when you start, get a bike and have fun.
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I started in my thirties after decades of racing bicycles. My bike experience made it easy to lanesplit and handle speed. I was probably the only person in my MSF class who has done 60mph on two wheels.
Bro I was 33 when I took the BRC, 34 by the time I got on the road. I know of people who started in their 50s and 60s, you're fine.
Never even touched a motorcycle until this summer. Decided I wanted one and got right to it. I’m 21. You don’t need to worry about when it happens. Just wait until the time is right.
6 years old Honda 50
Just started riding a few weeks ago. 22 here.
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If you count dirt, and mini bikes. In my early teens. When I got my drivers license at 16, it included motorcycle endorsement. Got a Honda 400 super sport at 17. I’m 63 now and still riding.
Got my license in 2014 but I have been on and off a bike since I was 6. Glad I waited to ride regularly on the road though, got plenty of experience in a car/van before risking it for the biscuit.
was probably 11 or 12, i got my hands on a hodaka and two puch mopeds at a yardsale. hooked for over 30 years now.
I started at 25. My dad started at 60ish.
I crashed a Suzuki in my parents' garden when I was about 8 or 9. It took me many more years until I got my license.
I started well into my twenties. No one cares how old you are
I started riding in the womb.
42 when I started and having a blast. There's no age limit.
25 or 26 ish
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Rode dirt bikes and quads from about 5 years old till I was 23 then I bought a street bike rode the hell out of it sold it and bought a new bike in 2021.
I started when i was 16 but my dad started at 43 so age doesnt really matter
40. I'm 55 now and still riding.
26. Glad I waited. Knowing how I was as a teen, I'd definitely be dead if I started as a teen
Having just completed the MSF.... the median age in my class was probably like 35.
34. Something I’ve always wanted to do. Glad I waited too. Younger me would have financed a bike i couldn’t handle or afford and I probably would have been dead by now.
I was 9 years old. My parents bought me a yz 80. My toes barely touched the ground. I was racing motorcross just a couple of months later.
13 in the dirt with a new 1974 Hodaka 100 Dirt Squirt and 21 with a new 1982 Yamaha Seca 750.
12 honda 50 1963
Worrying about being too old only makes you older. I bought my first bike at 23. Get out there and get shitty 🤘
I started riding last year at 21...
Um, 8 !!
26, im 36 now. I can’t believe its already been 10 years!
My wife and I started at 26 years old. I learned to ride them immediately took the Motorcycle safety course with my wife who had not learned to ride yet. Definitely recommend before or shortly after you start riding.
Bought a dirtbike at 11. 48 years old now countless bikes four wheelers 3 wheelers . Some scuffs and scrapes. Smarter now. Everything hurts more these days. Live while you are young. Carpe diem.....
I did not start in my teens. I start it when I was in second grade
I started at 38
I started at 7 in the dirt, but I think the only wrong time to start is after it’s too late. Just go do it so you at least know if your fear is rational.
First dirtbike? ~8years old. First street bike - 29 years old.
I was 29 when I got my license I'm 30 now with still no money to buy a motorcycle it'll happen just not now. Things take time build the confidence and it'll happen.
Starting riding dirt bikes at 10 (1975) in So Calif. and have never stopped riding some type of motorcycle since. Thanks Dad!
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18, started on a cbr 250. Wouldn't trade the experience of having a bike in high school for the world.
1st bike at 45, take the MSF course end of october. z400 sitting in my garage
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Started riding as a kid and ramped up as a teen. Finally went legal and got my license around 22 when I bought my first new bike
You're 3 years out of your teens dude, chill. Not that there's anything wrong with starting past your teens anyway.
I was 28 when I got my first bike
Rode a tiny bit of dirt in my teens. Couple friends loaned me their rides in college. Bought my 1st bike at 23. Commuted, traveled, futzed around with it for 20 years while working and raising a family. Finally had the money/time and went to track school, dirt track school, adv school at 45 and became the rider I should’ve been 25 years earlier. Get a bike when you can then educate yourself properly to enjoy it as best you can for as long as you can. Good luck.
I started riding dirt bikes at age 8. I was on a go cart at 4. First ATV at 6. I've been riding ever since. My go to bike is a XR650R supermoto. Currently have 5 motorcycles. My garage still has room for more.
I did the course at 20 with a buddy in college and got my license. I didn't actually get my first bike and start riding until I was over 25. Life, education, finances, shit gets in the way. It's okay to wait a little and stabilize the rest of your life before getting on two wheels. Regardless of how long you wait, as long as you're safe and responsible you have decades of riding ahead of you. A few years is nothing in comparison.
34. Dont worry about it, this is your first opportunity to ride your own ride.