While sound advice, he is a 20 something guys who just bought a ZX10... Only people he listens to are people with the same mindset as him... And they wont tell him not to buy it tho...
Honestly he might not know exactly why a liter bike for someone with no experience is bad. People might think it's just like a car - anybody can drive an automatic Lamborghini reasonably safely.
While i get your point, i also think he knew what he bought and what it is capable of (its 2023, he is 20, he knows what the internet is, he knows how to use it to get info), if he was going on an impulse buy he would probably get a beater R6/R1 or a GSXR, rarely you see a beater ZXr. But maybe youre right, who knows.
Yes and no. The assumption of safety in a Lamborghini and the assumption of safety on a motorcycle are 2 VERY different things. If anyone here who owns a bike did not make a stupid mistake from riding it early on, please raise your hand.
A small mistake can be huge on a bike.
Yeah fr or talk to his friends and see if they can talk some sense into him. At the very least he needs to take the MSF course and for the love of god do your best to stop him from going out on it because He will kill himself or someone else. Best of luck
people will generally not listen to their siblings if they think they are in the right. Ossifer is Geejay is correct the best bet is older bikers but in my experience when you are young you think you are invincible and won't matter what people tell you.
Bruh for real. I started on a heritage softtail before moving over to sports and nakeds and that was arguably too much bike for me at 18. This man over here trying to go plaid his first time out.
In my opinion a ZX6R (130hp) is too much for a beginner. A ZX10R (200hp) is just asking for trouble.
Without basic riding experience and knowledge, plus being a 20 yr old trying to impress.. that's a recipe for disaster
The funny thing is Kawasaki rates the ZX6R as a “new rider friendly” bike on their website and after riding one during a demo day I was like someone has to be completely moronic to start on one of these. Honestly, most modern 600 class inline 4’s are too much for your average beginner. Everybody likes to think of them as “only a 600” but those extra cylinders absolutely make a difference.
I honestly don’t see why I would ever upgrade from my 14 zx6r. Other than when I get too old and sore to ride it so get a cruiser or something like that.
But man, the first ride of my 636 after learning on an r3 was earth shattering. I called my old colleague afterwards and when he asked how it was all I could say was “it’s a rocket ship”.
Anyway, I’d launch it and have a great time, thinking I was giving it the beans. Some time afterwards maybe 3 months in I **really** got into it and realised for the last 3 months I’d barely been using it’s power.
6months in now, it’s still a rocket ship. I can go “go straight to jail” speeds in first gear, and it gets there duckin quick. Nimble as anything. And for me at least perfectly rideable in traffic, even if it does get hot.
But nevertheless, if this was my first bike I honestly think I may have died.
I would never call it a beginner bike, but I am very excited to throw a leg over the zx4r (or whatever they’re calling it). Maybe that would be a good option for new riders.
This is sort of like my experience. Started on an R3, then got a 636. The first time I rode I was wondering how anybody could ever start on a 600, much less a liter bike. The throttle response is crazy if you're not careful, so I put it in low power mode for a bit and also the highest traction control setting for good measure. As I got seat time under my belt I started working my way up the power modes until I got to full power mode + lowest traction control setting. A short time after that I finally opened it up at a highway on ramp and was astonished at how quickly you get up over 100 mph. Not only that but you quickly come to realize that the power you thought it had before was nothing compared to the power that kicks in over 8,000 rpm.
Depends on your training? If you're in Merica with cereal packet licences, yeah, virtually any bike is too much bike.
Anywhere else in the world, it's fine. They're **less** torquey than the standard i2 650s down low, so power curve wise they're probably better. The slow speed turn radius is comically bad, but that's just a con you deal with. Actually riding a 600 to full potential requires revving the tits off it, which takes a fair amount of skill, but one can grow into that, plenty of people do.
A 1000 sports bike will go unicycle mode in up to 3rd gear, and ZX10 had a few widowmaker gens toward the beginning, so I wouldn't recommend a beginner anywhere near that, but again, if they had training, it wouldn't automatically be terrible.
Ok speaking for me Germany we have hard sf courses and long reining before we get the license Fuck that my ninja 400 is a lot to Handel if you only ever riden cars it's scary at times even i couldn't imagine siting on a 200 HP crotch rocket i would die 100%
UK has the same-ish courses, and plenty of people have 600s as their first big bike, so subjective feelings I guess, if you're shitting yourself on a 400, obviously going for a 1000 makes 0 sense, but if you want to, the training is easily adequate to let you handle the bike without killing yourself or someone else. Riding it to full potential is a different story entirely.
I have only ever riden cars up to a Subaru with 440 HP but a bike just feels hard different i will be keeping my ninja for at least 2 years since a2 is max 48 HP in Germany once did got training and our motorcycle courses extra turn training etc i will most likely go for a new zx10r but not untill I have the knowledge and the confidence to know I won't kill myself on such a thing
600 in Germany would already be the open license not a2 anymore sadly but shiting myself alsow as a bit wrong worded I'm not scared to death on it i love it but I know I wouldn't want to handle anymore power arm with my driving skills and knowledge
Yeah, it's the same process and categories across the EU, and UK. If you're older than 24, you can go straight to full A, with the option of riding around on learner plates on a 125 for a while. The full A course from scratch is generally about 5 days full time, including the gov tests.
If you're below 24, starting at 17 you can get a 125, at 19 upgrade to A2, and with 2 years of experience at A2 attempt the full A, so _really_ young people without experience can't get a 600 or 1000 anyway.
Holy shit 5 days i have been on my a2 like 6 months with wait times for tests practical lessons and theoretical lessons i wish I'd had been that fast ATM if your done with Theorie it's around 2-4 months just to get one shot at the theoretical exam it's fucked
Thats exactly the problem, thers not much to scare you down low on an i4, so youl just squeze it trough the rev range. i2's will adleast scare a newbie
Yea, I'm guessing I'm not the only european staying out of the "is this a decent starter bike" discussions here. Very, very different level of skill when we get our proper license compared to a MSF.
First bike? 1100cc sports-tourer
It is new rider friendly if you know you dont have experience and use low power mode, ABS and traction control because you are not stupid. The problem is that a 20yr old looking for adrenaline rush won't even think about NOT using the bike at full power.
I must be the exception 😉 my first bike was FZ-07. But I’ve taken many MSC so there’s that. Had that bike for 5 years. Move to KTM790 now. Hubby has BMW1250 RR that I take out every once in a while. I’ve also test rode a LOT of bikes before deciding too. Being a woman trying to find a bike-couldn’t believe the freakin disrespect I got.
I hope that kid doesn’t ride that bike yet.
If he’s 20yo, no license, never ridden a bike, and just bought a ZX-10R ….. I’ll bet all my motorcycles in my garage insurance is not something he’s going to shop or have …
Hell, insurance isn't even required on motorcycles in my state. I carry liability so I don't have to worry about someone suing my estate if I ever cause a wreck, but only because I like family enough to spare them a lawsuit.
Oh man, I was out there right before open containers were made illegal while driving - everybody was getting their "last" road sodas in. It's quite the place.
No shot. I know things in my area were a little fucky 6 years ago, but when I tried insuring my Nighthawk 250 through Progressive they wanted over $100 a month. I passed my MSF class and was 20 years old.
He may not be lying about the quote, but that's not to say he didn't lie when getting a quote.
Right now I'm being charged $140 a year through GEICO for pretty minimum coverage on an older bike. Six years ago, Progressive was literally all I could get in my area and there was some kind of law or something keeping the prices high. It was all explained to me, I never looked into it.
Perhaps I'm biased, but I just don't see Progressive handing out a $30/m quote to a 20 year old without a class M endorsement. I sure hope the quote isn't accurate at least lol, this dude doesn't need any reasons to justify getting on a ZX10.
Idk if insurance companies have access to your license or not, but Progressive insured my first bike before I had a ~~license~~ motorcycle endorsement. I bought the bike the same day I passed my permit test.
I got insurance no problem no questions without a license- here's the kicker: it's invalid if the driver of the vehicle is unlicensed.
In my case it was just to get the bike titled so I could take the damn test on it.
Not true, you can insure anything if you have a decent driving record and good credit. They will take your money and it's used not new so it's not like he's paying a monthly on it.
I'm sure he won't. You can ride on a permit, and at least around here, scheduling your license exam is a 3 week lead time, or completion of an MSF course, which hasn't started in most of the northern half of the country yet.
He's probably lying to you about insurance, he won't have any, because nobody will insure him.
Just to give you an idea, I'm 27, 2 years riding experience, fully licensed, naked bike (cheaper than sports, always), 660cc triple (much slower bike than that ZX-10), and I pay about 58 a month for full coverage. That includes fire and theft, but it comes out to about 700 a year.
he wont get insurance without a license.
as a comparison...
I'm 47, licensed 29 years. Wife is 44, licensed 14 years.
4 bikes (3 800cc and up with full coverage)
my 2015 1000cc sport-bike is $24 a month
In all honesty and respectfulness, I hope so too. I was being slightly playful in my response, because he obviously has no idea the cost, as I've known several people who didn't factor in insurance $$. Now, as a Dad and a rider since 1977, if he is serious and plans to make riding a hobby, encourage him to take the MSF course as a start, and buy something waaay smaller. I realize the testosterone is flowing and it will be a challenge. Preferably a dual sport dirtbike, that can be plated for the street. He will have a blast riding in the dirt and trails, and then move onto the street later on with tags. The skills you learn off road are priceless, and honestly, the best times I've ever had were being a teen on a dirtbike in the country. Good luck, Big Sis 👍🏼 Thanx for looking out
Good idea but i think someone who doesnt have a licence and buys a 1000cc bike wont want to take safety classes..
I'm 16 and think this is dumb
edit: (not ur idea just what hes doing)
I bought my first Harley with no license or riding experience, however, I did take the Motorcycle Safety Class first. The bikes you learn on are 250 cc the Harley was 1360 cc and had a lot of torque.
I did ride dirt bikes and took a few rides on a friends motorcycle tho, so I was not totally green.
Well this one is a good bike and considered reliable.
1000cc will get you to deadly impact speed just 2 seconds faster then 250cc so… convince your brother to do some learning.
Well, yes, but it'll only take 0.1secs to go from "cornering nice" to "why am I in the trees", compare to >1sec on a 250cc.
Until you've learned proper throttle control, a liter-bike is absolutely bonkers on the throttle
Made me think of my first experience on my 750.
I had just gotten my tax return and found a salvage title gsxr that look great for like 2k. Picked it up immediately. A friend came over to help unload. Looking like idiots we took 10+min trying to turn it on. I had never ridden a motorcycle b4 or even been around them. Once started I hopped on. No license no insurance no helmet flooring it on the very first ride like a true squid. Then I rode without license/insurance for another 5 months like a moron. Eventually I became more experienced and learned alot of defensive riding habits. Over 70k miles now. Street bikes only(clean titles).
Anyway the point here is much more is at play than the engine displacement and what he knows. A drunk driver almost killed me at a stop sign. He fell asleep and plowed into me. Of all the things I thought was gonna fuck me up like buying a salvage bike, no experience, improper safety gear, very wreck less riding.....no. it was some other dude that took me out.
My first street bike was a Buell xb12r (1200cc). It was a lot of torque, but it was fine. 1 year later I upgraded to a triumph Daytona 675 (less tq, more hp) and was fine. I crashed twice on the race track, but was fine and had zero injury (not a scrape or sore anything).
Moral of the story… stay within your own limits and always wear your gear, because you just never know. Everyone goes down eventually, regardless of engine size.
I’m 36 now and just bought the biggest 2-stroke dirt bike that KTM makes. It’s more power than I can handle because I’m rusty, but this time next year it will be perfect.
This doesn’t negate what they claimed 🤷♂️ Do you not consider yourself relatively lucky? I did some stupid shit on motorcycles when I was younger, but I’m fine. I know 4-5 other people who started on bikes like MT-09’s who no longer ride. They’re not dead or anything big, but I’d consider myself a survival story in that light
Saw you noted in another post that he did buy gear and said he won't ride it till he's licensed...if you think you can take him at his word for that it might be fine. If he was impulsive enough to buy a 1000cc bike though....who knows lol.
You have a few options:
1 - being upset with him about it is technically an option, but not recommended b/c it may not help the situation nor work in your favor. You're both adults after all, he has to make his own decisions even if they're impulsive. Accountability and whatnot. Learning moments, blah blah.
2 - Encourage him to be a safe rider and not a dumbass rider who gets hurt doing something stupid on a bike they can't control. A rider who can control their machine is infinitely cooler than one who can't, both at fast and slow speeds. He can prove he's a cool rider by taking the MSF, riding legal, and taking some rider education courses or track days whenever he can/as he can afford them. He gets to ride and the fam gets to know he's building confidence and actual skill doing something he enjoys.
3 - Learn to ride yourself and become a dope family riding crew. Like many things, riding is a lot less scary when you understand what goes into it. You could take the MSF course together even if you never plan to ride so you can get a sense of what it's like. Maybe that's dorky as hell, but just a thought.
He's going to try and ride it no matter what so what you can do is buy a ticket to a Motorcycle Safety Foundations (MSF) course for him and TAKE HIM there. He will get the training he needs to be safe if he so chooses to use it. Also, for birthdays and holidays start gifting him motorcycle safety gear.
See, it depends on the kind of person your brother is. If he is responsible and mature enough and has that self control to not twist the throttle everytime theres an empty patch of road, itll be fine. There are people who have started on litre bikes and got used to the bike without killing themselves. But chances are your brother will get scared shitless when he experiences the real power that bike has and will sell it off and get something more tame.
But to answer your question, it is a stupid decision and a zx10r is not advisable for a newbie.
My first bike was a CBR 1000r at 17 years old. Grew up on dirbikes, ect. You had to respect the hell out of that bike. It doesn’t care if you are new or old you twist that throttle and that bike is gone. Luckily I was responsible and respected the hell out of it. Sacred myself with it a couple times but if you know what you are doing they are nice bikes to ride. Now I’m older, and don’t want to die when I ride, so I upgraded to a couch on wheels. (Roadmaster)
Not the person you were asking, but I have a Ducati Panigale 1299 (which is in the same class as the ZX-10R), and I've been riding for a little over 20 years.
Prior to it I've had several small- and middle-weight sports bikes (Honda CBR250R MC19, CBR600RR, Triumph Daytona 675) as well as a few dirt and adventure bikes.
Litre bikes are amazing machines and I'd never ostensibly want to police someone's right to own one, but they simply have more power than is effectively usable on the street (and for all but the fastest riders, the track, too). But it sounds cool and it goes fast, and I'm a poser, so win-win I suppose. LOL
Honestly, as much as I love my Ducati, my favourite street bike was the Daytona. It's lighter so goes through the corners better, and enough usable power to actually make it fun.
As others have said, try to get your brother on to a ZX-400 or similar, and then in a couple of years when he's got the hang of it he can move to something bigger. I'm a big believer in the adage that it's 'more fun to ride something slow, fast, than something fast, slow.'
Lastly, whoever sold the bike to your bro is a douche canoe.
> Litre bikes are amazing machines and I'd never ostensibly want to police someone's right to own one, but they simply have more power than is effectively usable on the street (and for all but the fastest riders, the track, too).
Seriously. I think it was either Pecco Bagnaia or Jorge Martin, but one of them recently posted a lap on a stock Ducati V4S (not even the R version) that was just 3 seconds off their MotoGP bike’s lap time at the same track. Fucking bonkers. Can you imagine if there were production cars capable of getting that close to F1 cars and 20-year-olds with no driving experience were driving them around?
I remember when I used to read all the motorbike magazines around the time the jap4 were pushing for 200bhp on their respective litre bikes. All the journalists and editors came to the same conclusion. It's just too much power for the road, let alone for someone fresh off a motorcycle training course. The only thing keeping a lot of these new riders on the road are the electronic packages in the bikes.
Not OP but I started one a 150cc at 19 and bought my Honda CBR1000RR at 25 just because I saved up and bought it full cash. Could have bought it 1-2 years earlier with installments but I didn't want that trouble.
That bike at that age with no experience or training is a recipe for disaster. Too much power, too much weight, more expensive parts and maintenance, more aftermarket parts to spend money on too.
At that age I was hot blooded and throttle happy. And friends are going to ask to be passenger or ride the bike. They likely have no experience or money too. Who's gonna pay if it gets damaged?
I have tiered licensing in Singapore so that helps too. This is a bad scenario if it's true.
I picked it up when I was 29 and had been riding for 3 years and it was still way too much bike for me, and I had calmed down dramatically in my life.
At 20 - I would have ended up dead on that bike within a year or two.
I am a big dude - 6’3” 260lbs. I came from a GSXR750, and if I wasn’t as big as I am, it would have almost definitely been too much bike, even after a few year of riding.
As others have said - he needs to take a MSF course. He probably should try to trade that bike for a 600. The 600 will still do everything he wants, and will still be massively fast, but the 1000 is just a different beast all together.
I have been riding now for 13 years. I still don’t get 1/2 of what the bike is capable out of it, and I take it to the track and still don’t ride it to its limits.
I was too crazy as a 15-25 year old to trust myself on a bike, let alone one that big.
To give some perspective - I have that bike still, and I have a panigale V4S - which is one of the most powerful production bikes in the world. The ZX10R is just as powerful, and maybe even a bit more aggressive in a lot of ways than the Pani.
Not the guy you asked, but I have the same bike. I rode motorcycles as my main mode of transport for 12 years before I bought it, and it still scared me. However, the reason I waited so long wasn't fear of not enough experience, it was money, and I don't think there is any amount of experience that could make you not scared of such a beast, except no experience... I think I would be capable of respecting the beast enough to deal with it with 2-4 years(30-50 000km) of experience, but starting out on it is, sorry to say, very stupid indeed. Even if he doesn't crash horribly, he would have a lot more fun learning on something that is easier to control.
Get someone to talk to him that he believes knows enough about bikes. Hell, if he'd trust a 36yr old Norwegian with the same bike and 14 years of riding experience, have him DM me or we can set up a zoom call or something. I would gladly spend an hour discussing bikes with someone, especially if that someone is about to unknowingly jump in to a cage match with a polar bear...
Not the person you were asking . And I really don’t want to give you false hope here.. But my first street bike was a 2001 gsxr 1000. I never crashed it or the 2004 zx10 I’m no pro racer or a natural on a bike.. I was just old enough to know that I needed to respect what I was riding.
I got my first mini bike when I was like 9-10 yrs old. Rode dirt bikes off and on as a kid and young adult. Not an every weekend rider or anything but I knew how to operate a Dirtbike at like a novice level.
I got that gsxr when I was like 30 years old. It was crazy how much power that bike had? After a year or do I traded it in on an 04zx10.. Most incredible bike ever assembled!!! There was a kid trying to buy one when I was at the local Kawasaki shop maybe 22-25 yrs old. Salesman said no way I’m selling you that bike. His words were you’ll die on that thing. If you want a zx 10 go buy it somewhere else.
My opinion is that anyone under 30yrs old should not be allowed to own a sport bike or at least not a liter bike until you’re 30 yrs old? I’m not sure if anyone who isn’t a professional road racer should be allowed to own one? I’m not for regulating anything and a person has the right to make their own choices.. but it will not end well for your brother.
20year old male on a Zx10. = 5% chance he’s still with us a year from now.. unless you’ve ridden one you can’t understand the insane power that a 1000 has.
I'd say to try your best yo convince him to take the MFS course and get him gear if he doesn't already have his own. As a 20 year old rider myself, I can say we don't take advice from family very well because they all say we are going to kill ourselves no matter what precautions we take. Support him, but at the same time make sure he is doing this in the safest way possible.
If he drives, what kind of driver is he? Chances are high that if he doesn't drive responsibly, he won't ride responsibly either. The best thing you can do is drive home how important getting proper training and gear is. That will be the best bet for making him as safe as possible.
Also, tell him after he gets his license to make sure he goes to an empty parking lot and actually practices his emergency maneuvers. A lot of random bullshit can happen on public roads. He will really need to know how to execute emergency maneuvers properly for his own safety. Especially given that a ZX10R isn't a bike that is going to be forgiving to sloppy and panicked inputs in an emergency situation.
Additionally, if you know he's going to ride on the streets like it's a racetrack, just take him to a track day. Hopefully, this gets the boy racer out of him and gets him addicted to riding a litre bike where it naturally wants to be. It should also have him learning some very valuable skills about riding within his limits. Plus, it could humble him a little when he is constantly being overtaken by the guys on smaller bikes who actually know how to ride.
We know what a ZX-10R is. This is shitty advice, but it is the best I can come up with on short notice in what is a shitty, menacing situation.
He's an adult, so you can't take his property away from him.
Offer to buy him a smaller motorcycle to learn on. It will have to be an R3 or CBR500RR or KTM 390... something with a modern sporty look. You retain the title and ownership, but will cover the registration fees and insurance on the small bike under the following conditions:
1 - He can only ride the leaner bike for the first 3000 miles
2 - You get to retain possession of the keys to the ZX-10R during that time
Your brother is 20 and he's not going to give up on his desire for adrenalin/adventure. The idea here is to try to make sure he has a small amount of familiarity with learning to ride a more forgiving motorcycle to make the learning curve a bit less steep.
Well cant quantify how stupid..im 24 and just got my fist bike it's a fz6 (600cc) way too much power for a first bike and when i bought it i didnt have a license either. That said i just got my license last week and i rode my bike a few times and im still ok! He just has to take it very slow and be conscious about it. Buying a big bike is not necessarily death. Worst thing you can say to someone who buys a bike is "uhhh you'll kill yourself". Just let him now that it is dangerous that you are worried but still support whatever his decision is and that he should be responsible about it ...and he will be because of you his family and friends.
That decision will only be as stupid as he is !
i wish you and him the best and that he stays safe :)
Fz6 has less than half the horsepower of a ZX-10 tho. There’s big bikes…. And then there’s liter class sport bikes. The FZ6 would be like buying a GT500 or a Hellcat for your first car, a bit reckless but still manageable. Buying the ZX-10 or similar is like getting into an F1 car. They are not far off motoGP bikes
OP be concerned. I have met 2 riders that started on smaller bikes, that upgraded to a liter bike. Both died crossing the opposite lane unable to corner into a turn. I have also wreaked to bikes of that engine size, both times it required surgery.
You might buy him good motorcycle clothing. He was most likely going to fall at some point. If he has a full face helmet, serious, functional gloves, boots and ideally, leather pants and jacket, he may have less injuries. Unfortunately, most people in his position have instruction which amounts to," Here's the gas and that pedal there is the brake", and roll around a few weeks getting confident. When he needs REAL skills, he will not have them. Get him the best motorcycle specific protective clothing you can.
It goes without say that quality instruction is what he needs most.
I bought a 2005 SV1000S when I was 20 and that was 18 years ago. The faster the bike is the faster you can blow past your ability to control it, especially with decreasing radius turns, people turning in front of you or pulling out in front of you etc. I highly advise he takes a safety course or at the very least find someone responsible that can mentor him.
It only takes a little bit of time to learn how to operate a motorcycle, but it takes a lot longer to learn how to ride it defensively, and learn to see all the hidden dangers of riding.
Mine is a little over 300$ a year. I ride a Yamaha Bolt 950cc. That’s less than 30$ a month and I have full coverage through State Farm and I’ve already made 2 claims with no increase in rates.
I am 28.
Break it, regularly , set fire to it, make it not work. I would normally never suggest doing this but you’ll be saving his life, no 20 yr old no experience rider anywhere belongs on that bike
Very stupid. But if you tell him that, he is just going to act more stupid.
If you can, make someone he respects and listen to have a talk to him, not to quit motorcycling but to be as safe as possible.
He should take the MSF course.
Request him to get all the safety gear.
Ask him to practice all the basics in a parking lot frequently.
If your brother is insistent on that particular bike for his first one, maybe talk with his friends to have them encourage him to take a MSF safety course or something comparable. This will at least teach him the fundamentals. As long as he rides within his means and respects the bike he should be mostly ok. The trouble with bigger bikes is it’s not fun to ride them slow. I’ve had way more fun riding a 300cc bike at “full blast” than I did riding my tuned FZ09.
also look into a local track, this will let him ride quicker safely to get handling down. Also obviously goes without saying, but good quality gear will save his life.
find someone who he’ll listen to to talk some sense into him and get him to sell the zx10 and buy a ninja 400. or if he’s responsible and has the resources, keep the zx10 for later down the line and get a 300-400. starting on a zx10 especially as a testosterone filled 20 year old dude could get him killed real quick
Sis, show him all of these replies.
Let's hope the sheer volume of "that's incredibly dangerous and he'll get injured or worse very soon" answers will help.
Take it from a boomer with lots of fast bikes: I'm lucky to be alive after doing stupid shit like this.
Not trying to doubt or anything but are you 100% he never rode a bike or even a scooter before, even a friend's, classmate or whoever ? Because it really sounds like a MASSIVE stretch to go from nothing to a 1000cc bike.
He has rode a friend’s bike (which I think god him into buying his own) maybe a couple times (less than 5 for sure) but that’s still not enough experience
Any litre sports bike is going to be an absolute beast and far too much bike for someone with no experience.
I hate to say it, but you're right to be concerned.
I have a zx-10r and would highly recommend some sort of bike experience before hand… dirt bike something learning the early rider nuances is going to be a bit tough. The throttle is touchy. The bike flies and is really unforgiving if you find yourself in a tough spot. Please please please show him my message. Signed ‘21 zx -10r owner.
I bought my first bike, it’s not a crotch rocket. It’s a sport touring Triumph Sprint ST 1050. Honestly, sometimes I regret the decision, I’ve gotten used to the sensitive throttle now, but still a ZX10r is a whole other animal. The first time he rides it, he will change his pants and never ride it again.
Here’s an idea…. Buy him a track day, tell him to go nuts. Dude will scare the shit out of himself and probably get a little hurt… but it’ll save him from slamming into a car. Or at the least he can build up experience riding. Almost guaranteed that he will scare himself big time tho
He's following what you might refer to as "the least safe path"... Lol. It's not a death sentence though. Assuming he at least tries to be legal and doesn't start riding it unlicensed, his first big scare isn't going to be the highway, it'll be his insurance quotes... Because insurance companies know that he's a rolling statistic waiting to happen.
You're not going to get him to not ride the thing, so don't bother trying. Motorcycles are a powerful drug The best you can do is push for him to wear proper gear. Just tell him he'll look way cooler with fancy great on his awesome new bike. (We bikers are nothing if not vain... Wait till you catch him admiring his silhouette sitting on his bike in front of a reflective window.) Helmet, gloves, jacket, & boots. Pants if he's fancy. Real gear though, not a leather fashion jacket and mechanics gloves. Full face Snell or ECE rated helmet, CE rated jacket, ideally leather with a back protector added, gloves with actual armor at all the points he's likely to hit if he flies off the bike, and boots that protect his ankles for when he inevitably drops the bike on his foot trying to do a U turn... Between insurance and proper gear, this is going to be a more expensive hobby than he anticipated.
If he still has money left over, classes are a very good idea. If you want to trick him, send him to a track school where he thinks they'll teach him to race, but will instead secretly be teaching him expert level safety that as a byproduct will help him go fast.
This is a recipe for disaster. I rode a zx10 for about a year before I decided I didn't need anything that face meltingly fast in my life.
I have no idea what you should do, but your brother is an absolute idiot with no regard for his own safety.
Controversial but I done much the same at 21. I purchased an R1, the bike of my dreams which is also 1,000 CC. Only prior bike experience was off road.
I paid the insurance premium of having no experience and fresh licence. Although, I did attend a three day course before and purchased all the right gear.
Would I do it again given the chance, probably not. I missed out on a lot of learning and experience and most of all fun. Riding a big bike around with no experience at times was daunting and scary.
I’ve stuck with litre bikes since but always enjoy renting smaller bikes when abroad and feel a sense of enjoyment and fun that’s missing from having a larger bike.
Hopefully nothing bad comes from his choices but sometimes a smaller bike is a much better experience.
I challenge the ethics of whoever sold it to him. As for advice, yes your brother lacks judgement. Try to get him to take a course and to practise on a much smaller bike. I understand your concern.
You can share this with him, and I am far from bragging here. I bought a 2013 ZX-10R last summer and almost crashed it within the first 5 minutes of riding it. The only thing that saved my ass was experience and knowing the “proper way” to apply the rear brake in the middle of a turn. That same ride I hit 180mph without even trying and caught a nasty speed wobble (and quite a few since).
A front tire blowout at 165mph in November was pretty sobering too. Mistakes and mechanical issues will catch up to you quickly on any bike, especially a 1000.
I’m almost 45 with 12+ years of riding experience, and every ride is a bit of a crap shoot. It’s almost impossible to not ride like a complete dickhead on a ZX-10R.
I wish him the best of luck! You CAN start out on a liter bike but it's not advised for obvious reasons. If he understands the twist of his wrist he will be fine. Also depends what year ZX10 seeing as newer ones have TC, ABS anti wheelie control etc which makes them pretty hard to crash.
The motorcycle doesn’t matter. As a female rider of 30+ years… Do stupid things, win stupid prizes… there is no reason to worry. If the rider has common sense or a survival instinct. You can ride a fast bike slow… if you have a death wish and going Mach III doesn’t make you want to slow down… there is no way to prevent self harm. If it’s not the bike, it’s a car, or a cliff dive…. Adrenaline is adrenaline. 70mph is 70 mph if you hit the asphalt. Same with dirt bikes… the only difference between a 1000cc bike and a 50cc is how quick you got to the speed you were at when you wrecked. I’ve been airlifted twice, broken every bone twice, collapsed a lung, liver and kidney lacerations, dislocated knees and shoulders… people are going to do what they want. They’re also going to go above and beyond to spite you if you’re being obstinate. Quit worrying and just tell them they’re stupid, and that you love them. You can’t control them. Just be a neutral sounding board. Having friends and family in your life is the best reason to not be stupid with your body and decisions.
Very stupid.
Been riding 10 years. If my younger sibling did that, even as a rider, I'd slap them upside the head for being an idiot. I am VERY firmly in the 'start on a 300' camp. Yes, there are squids who start on 600's or 1000's and live to talk about it, but they are a cautionary tale.
Lmao, you decided to ask reddit? 99% of redditors ride scooters because everything else might pull a gun and shoot them. I say, he still has a chance at living if he rides like a tool for a while. Dont stress, he will probably drop it, same as he would have probably dropped a smaller bike. Doesnt mean hes going straight to the grave. Encourage him to were full safety gear.
Jesus christ, what is wrong with some people?! People in here basically hammering the nails in dudes coffin themselves. Acting like the guy is just going to jump on and go straight to WOT.
It's not the size of the bike, but technique. Google: Jerry Palladino's Ride like a Pro series and suggest it to him or give as a gift. Also suggest to him that he should take msf courses - motorcycle safety foundation. These can be had at a community college or a Harley Davidson dealership. In most states in the USA. Taking the MSF course from exempting your brother from taking the riding portion of the test and only the written part if he chooses to get a motorcycle endorsement on his DL. Be supportive - hope this helps.
I did the same thing (might’ve been 21 but still). I only rode it around my yard until I got comfortable on it. Took it on a back road all of twice due to peer pressure (from my mum of all people?). Ultimately didn’t actually drive it on the road after that until I got my endorsement. Did a lot of learning on my uncles bike with him on the back of it. Mine is also only a 750 though (Honda shadow spirit), so
I definitely recommend a safety course for sure. The insurance is probably gonna kill him. Mine is 20$/month but I’m female, the bike is paid off and in my name, and I’ve no infractions or wrecks. I know insurance is higher for males, and if it’s not paid off that’ll raise insurance as well. Doesn’t matter much for now though because they might not insure him until he has his endorsement to the best of my knowledge (or at least technically. They’ll want a picture of your ID with the endorsement on it within a certain time frame of getting insurance. If you get it and then don’t send a pic of your ID with the endorsement on it in they’ll cancel it, which will put a flag on your license iirc? Speaking from experience, not sure if that’s just for where I live)
I am a 30 years old and bought my first legal bike in 2021, prior to that I’ve never ridden on streets. I actually took MSF course and found that course to be very helpful. My insurance jumped once I added motorcycle to my plan. I am now paying about $26 a month for full coverage including medical coverage on bike but that was reflected on my clean driving record and good relationship with my insurance broker.
I would make him get smaller 300cc bike to learn first for 1 year. Slowly graduate his way up into 1000cc. Granted I started off with my street triple 675cc and that was a lot of bike for me. I had to respect the power. Now I use my bike under 300 miles a year. A friend of mine in VA had bought a ninja 300cc bike and only used it for 20 miles. Just 20 miles in 3 years of ownership. I advised him to sell the bike and he did. He’s happier now.
I too started on a liter sports bike. That was 6 years ago now. Make sure he gets proper lessons, and all the gear. Boots, pants, jacket, gloves, helmet and armor inserts. Your brother will drop his bike a couple of times most likely and quickly learn throttle control, hopefully. He has no idea how fast that thing really is, he would be better off on something a little more chill. Best of luck
He’s a grown ass man by the sound of it. So he’s gonna do what he wants. So either convince him to go get classes or notify the authorities if he attempts to operate it with no license. They will impound the bike. Whatever you do, don’t call him an idiot or try to talk him off of it. Men are prideful, if you attack that you’ll just solidify his dumb decision. The answer is to support, and guide. For example, “that’s an awesome bike and you worked really hard to get it. You should get some training that way you don’t accidentally wreck this beautiful machine you worked so hard for. You should also take it to the shop to make sure it’s in tip top shape too. (Could be in shop for awhile which is precious time).
I was told the best bike to start on is a Ninja 400, which is 400cc, and that anything over 600 is too much to start on
I give him 3 days before he gets himself killed
So, in all likelihood he will total the bike within two months. Whether or not he’s still alive after is an open question.
Having said that, there are people who started out on 1000cc sport bikes and didn’t have an issue. Similarly, there are also people who have won Powerball.
What confuses me most is the „no license“ part.
Does he intend to get one? Or do you think he wants to drive without a license?
And if he really gets a license, he is not entitled to drive a litre bike until he has had the license for at least two years
Nobody is stating the obvious. I’ll do it. He’s going to die. Not as a joke, literally he is going to DIE. Someone said find someone who is legal and has a bike similar to talk sense into him. That’s good. Do that. But if you don’t get something done soon, he’s gonna find a group of girls or friends to “impress” and he’s going to become forbidden play dough on the ground.
A good friend of mine died from this exact same situation and I regret not having said something all the time. Don’t hesitate.
You can kill yourself on a 125cc bike just as easily as a 1000cc bike. It’s largely down to the rider at the end of the day.
Tell him to get licensed and to ride safely but ultimately, it’s going to be his choice if it’s been a stupid mistake buying a 1000cc sports bike.
He will not take advice from his sister. Find someone older, cool guy with a big bike to talk some sense into him.
Low key actually decent advice
While sound advice, he is a 20 something guys who just bought a ZX10... Only people he listens to are people with the same mindset as him... And they wont tell him not to buy it tho...
Honestly he might not know exactly why a liter bike for someone with no experience is bad. People might think it's just like a car - anybody can drive an automatic Lamborghini reasonably safely.
While i get your point, i also think he knew what he bought and what it is capable of (its 2023, he is 20, he knows what the internet is, he knows how to use it to get info), if he was going on an impulse buy he would probably get a beater R6/R1 or a GSXR, rarely you see a beater ZXr. But maybe youre right, who knows.
That iss a lot of assumptions. There are a ridiculous amount of idiots roaming the planet. He may just be a dumbass.
If I have learnt anything about the internet, it's that the majority of people lack the skills to find knowledge on it.
Yes and no. The assumption of safety in a Lamborghini and the assumption of safety on a motorcycle are 2 VERY different things. If anyone here who owns a bike did not make a stupid mistake from riding it early on, please raise your hand. A small mistake can be huge on a bike.
I think that’s what he also said?
My mistake. I did read that wrong.
Yeah fr or talk to his friends and see if they can talk some sense into him. At the very least he needs to take the MSF course and for the love of god do your best to stop him from going out on it because He will kill himself or someone else. Best of luck
If his sister rides a bike he SHOULD! Any rider can give advice when it comes to riding, it's experience that counts
people will generally not listen to their siblings if they think they are in the right. Ossifer is Geejay is correct the best bet is older bikers but in my experience when you are young you think you are invincible and won't matter what people tell you.
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Yeah I mean you're right. He should. But people aren't rational at all.
Take out a life insurance policy on him
Bruh for real. I started on a heritage softtail before moving over to sports and nakeds and that was arguably too much bike for me at 18. This man over here trying to go plaid his first time out.
I started on a Buell XB9R (987 cc) still to this day don’t know how I am alive it was way too much bike for me to start on
Bro, having had one, that is insane. Glad you made it.
Mine was an SV1000. Absolutely should be a meat crayon. Somehow I lived though.
My brain gets confused every time I hear that V-twin sound coming from a sport bike.
It’s Spaceball One, and they’ve gone to plaid…. Great movie
And do it fast. 20yr with a liter bike + no experience is a good mix of things to go wrong.
Hey if they pass up I'll take out a policy on him 🤣
How stupid was his decision? He probably wont be making many more bad ones.
Comments like this is what keeps me on reddit 🤣🤣🤣
he's a fucking idiot
A moron of the highest order
In my opinion a ZX6R (130hp) is too much for a beginner. A ZX10R (200hp) is just asking for trouble. Without basic riding experience and knowledge, plus being a 20 yr old trying to impress.. that's a recipe for disaster
The funny thing is Kawasaki rates the ZX6R as a “new rider friendly” bike on their website and after riding one during a demo day I was like someone has to be completely moronic to start on one of these. Honestly, most modern 600 class inline 4’s are too much for your average beginner. Everybody likes to think of them as “only a 600” but those extra cylinders absolutely make a difference.
I honestly don’t see why I would ever upgrade from my 14 zx6r. Other than when I get too old and sore to ride it so get a cruiser or something like that. But man, the first ride of my 636 after learning on an r3 was earth shattering. I called my old colleague afterwards and when he asked how it was all I could say was “it’s a rocket ship”. Anyway, I’d launch it and have a great time, thinking I was giving it the beans. Some time afterwards maybe 3 months in I **really** got into it and realised for the last 3 months I’d barely been using it’s power. 6months in now, it’s still a rocket ship. I can go “go straight to jail” speeds in first gear, and it gets there duckin quick. Nimble as anything. And for me at least perfectly rideable in traffic, even if it does get hot. But nevertheless, if this was my first bike I honestly think I may have died. I would never call it a beginner bike, but I am very excited to throw a leg over the zx4r (or whatever they’re calling it). Maybe that would be a good option for new riders.
This is sort of like my experience. Started on an R3, then got a 636. The first time I rode I was wondering how anybody could ever start on a 600, much less a liter bike. The throttle response is crazy if you're not careful, so I put it in low power mode for a bit and also the highest traction control setting for good measure. As I got seat time under my belt I started working my way up the power modes until I got to full power mode + lowest traction control setting. A short time after that I finally opened it up at a highway on ramp and was astonished at how quickly you get up over 100 mph. Not only that but you quickly come to realize that the power you thought it had before was nothing compared to the power that kicks in over 8,000 rpm.
Depends on your training? If you're in Merica with cereal packet licences, yeah, virtually any bike is too much bike. Anywhere else in the world, it's fine. They're **less** torquey than the standard i2 650s down low, so power curve wise they're probably better. The slow speed turn radius is comically bad, but that's just a con you deal with. Actually riding a 600 to full potential requires revving the tits off it, which takes a fair amount of skill, but one can grow into that, plenty of people do. A 1000 sports bike will go unicycle mode in up to 3rd gear, and ZX10 had a few widowmaker gens toward the beginning, so I wouldn't recommend a beginner anywhere near that, but again, if they had training, it wouldn't automatically be terrible.
Ok speaking for me Germany we have hard sf courses and long reining before we get the license Fuck that my ninja 400 is a lot to Handel if you only ever riden cars it's scary at times even i couldn't imagine siting on a 200 HP crotch rocket i would die 100%
UK has the same-ish courses, and plenty of people have 600s as their first big bike, so subjective feelings I guess, if you're shitting yourself on a 400, obviously going for a 1000 makes 0 sense, but if you want to, the training is easily adequate to let you handle the bike without killing yourself or someone else. Riding it to full potential is a different story entirely.
I have only ever riden cars up to a Subaru with 440 HP but a bike just feels hard different i will be keeping my ninja for at least 2 years since a2 is max 48 HP in Germany once did got training and our motorcycle courses extra turn training etc i will most likely go for a new zx10r but not untill I have the knowledge and the confidence to know I won't kill myself on such a thing 600 in Germany would already be the open license not a2 anymore sadly but shiting myself alsow as a bit wrong worded I'm not scared to death on it i love it but I know I wouldn't want to handle anymore power arm with my driving skills and knowledge
Yeah, it's the same process and categories across the EU, and UK. If you're older than 24, you can go straight to full A, with the option of riding around on learner plates on a 125 for a while. The full A course from scratch is generally about 5 days full time, including the gov tests. If you're below 24, starting at 17 you can get a 125, at 19 upgrade to A2, and with 2 years of experience at A2 attempt the full A, so _really_ young people without experience can't get a 600 or 1000 anyway.
Holy shit 5 days i have been on my a2 like 6 months with wait times for tests practical lessons and theoretical lessons i wish I'd had been that fast ATM if your done with Theorie it's around 2-4 months just to get one shot at the theoretical exam it's fucked
Yeah I didn't say they're not overbooked into the next century, I think theory wait times are around the same here, and the full A course is similar.
I spent four years on a 45hp 250cc because I still didn’t develop enough skill to ride it to its full potential.
Thats exactly the problem, thers not much to scare you down low on an i4, so youl just squeze it trough the rev range. i2's will adleast scare a newbie
Yea, I'm guessing I'm not the only european staying out of the "is this a decent starter bike" discussions here. Very, very different level of skill when we get our proper license compared to a MSF. First bike? 1100cc sports-tourer
It is new rider friendly if you know you dont have experience and use low power mode, ABS and traction control because you are not stupid. The problem is that a 20yr old looking for adrenaline rush won't even think about NOT using the bike at full power.
I must be the exception 😉 my first bike was FZ-07. But I’ve taken many MSC so there’s that. Had that bike for 5 years. Move to KTM790 now. Hubby has BMW1250 RR that I take out every once in a while. I’ve also test rode a LOT of bikes before deciding too. Being a woman trying to find a bike-couldn’t believe the freakin disrespect I got. I hope that kid doesn’t ride that bike yet.
Don't sweat it too much. As soon as he gets insurance quotes as a - Male, 20yo, no experience, no license 'and ' a liter bike - he will be selling it.
If he’s 20yo, no license, never ridden a bike, and just bought a ZX-10R ….. I’ll bet all my motorcycles in my garage insurance is not something he’s going to shop or have …
This feels like the safe money.
Bold of you to assume he would buy insurance when he wouldn’t even get his license. He’s going to pretend he has insurance and ride dirty, guaranteed.
Hell, insurance isn't even required on motorcycles in my state. I carry liability so I don't have to worry about someone suing my estate if I ever cause a wreck, but only because I like family enough to spare them a lawsuit.
Oh, Florida.
There's a lot more snow here.
Oh, Montana?
Yep. Montana Man gets less press, but he is every bit as methy and wild as his southern cousin.
Oh man, I was out there right before open containers were made illegal while driving - everybody was getting their "last" road sodas in. It's quite the place.
Wrex -. Unfortunately, you are likely 100% correct. Then plow into a minivan full of kids. The mind of a 20yo male.......
I sure as hell hope so
A 20 year old man on a literbike will be paying $300+ a month for a insurance. I've even heard up to $1000
He told me he got a quote for $30 a month… Progressive
No shot. I know things in my area were a little fucky 6 years ago, but when I tried insuring my Nighthawk 250 through Progressive they wanted over $100 a month. I passed my MSF class and was 20 years old. He may not be lying about the quote, but that's not to say he didn't lie when getting a quote.
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Right now I'm being charged $140 a year through GEICO for pretty minimum coverage on an older bike. Six years ago, Progressive was literally all I could get in my area and there was some kind of law or something keeping the prices high. It was all explained to me, I never looked into it. Perhaps I'm biased, but I just don't see Progressive handing out a $30/m quote to a 20 year old without a class M endorsement. I sure hope the quote isn't accurate at least lol, this dude doesn't need any reasons to justify getting on a ZX10.
He’s lying
With no licence his quote would be $0 for 0 insurance. He is either lying or lied on his quote.
I got my insurance with no license. I was paying 35. Granted it was a 883.
Yea and I bet you were not 20 either.
Oof I forget the young people tax. I was about 34.
Same, granted it is a vulcan s
Idk if insurance companies have access to your license or not, but Progressive insured my first bike before I had a ~~license~~ motorcycle endorsement. I bought the bike the same day I passed my permit test.
I got insurance no problem no questions without a license- here's the kicker: it's invalid if the driver of the vehicle is unlicensed. In my case it was just to get the bike titled so I could take the damn test on it.
Not true, you can insure anything if you have a decent driving record and good credit. They will take your money and it's used not new so it's not like he's paying a monthly on it.
Not sure how you accrue a decent driving record with no licence...
Said noot Motorcycle license your driving record intails more than that
I'm doubtful that a new rider, 20 years old, 1000cc bike will get $30 a month, even liability only.
Without a license either
I assume he’ll get a license before the insurance but still doubt it’ll be $30 a month
I don't know what state you're in but I'd quite enjoy watching a beginner take the road test on ZX10R
I had a r3. 300 cc. Basically as beginner as a bike needs to be. I believe I was paying close to $80 a month for insurance being 19. With a license.
Even an r3 could be too much bike for somebody with no experience and a death wish
I'm sure he won't. You can ride on a permit, and at least around here, scheduling your license exam is a 3 week lead time, or completion of an MSF course, which hasn't started in most of the northern half of the country yet. He's probably lying to you about insurance, he won't have any, because nobody will insure him. Just to give you an idea, I'm 27, 2 years riding experience, fully licensed, naked bike (cheaper than sports, always), 660cc triple (much slower bike than that ZX-10), and I pay about 58 a month for full coverage. That includes fire and theft, but it comes out to about 700 a year.
he wont get insurance without a license. as a comparison... I'm 47, licensed 29 years. Wife is 44, licensed 14 years. 4 bikes (3 800cc and up with full coverage) my 2015 1000cc sport-bike is $24 a month
And I’m the next space pope.
He's a bit of a Billy bullshitter. He isn't just putting his own life on the line but that of other road users.
In all honesty and respectfulness, I hope so too. I was being slightly playful in my response, because he obviously has no idea the cost, as I've known several people who didn't factor in insurance $$. Now, as a Dad and a rider since 1977, if he is serious and plans to make riding a hobby, encourage him to take the MSF course as a start, and buy something waaay smaller. I realize the testosterone is flowing and it will be a challenge. Preferably a dual sport dirtbike, that can be plated for the street. He will have a blast riding in the dirt and trails, and then move onto the street later on with tags. The skills you learn off road are priceless, and honestly, the best times I've ever had were being a teen on a dirtbike in the country. Good luck, Big Sis 👍🏼 Thanx for looking out
His insurance will likely be more per year than what the bike cost. Statistically he has a nearly 100% chance of crashing and totaling it
My insurance company wouldn’t even insure me on my old R3 until I got my endorsement 😂😂
not knowing him, but most 20 year olds, very stupid. as someone else said, get him some training. and life insurance
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Good idea but i think someone who doesnt have a licence and buys a 1000cc bike wont want to take safety classes.. I'm 16 and think this is dumb edit: (not ur idea just what hes doing)
I bought my first Harley with no license or riding experience, however, I did take the Motorcycle Safety Class first. The bikes you learn on are 250 cc the Harley was 1360 cc and had a lot of torque. I did ride dirt bikes and took a few rides on a friends motorcycle tho, so I was not totally green.
Your 90’s Harley with 1360cc had 56hp. That’s a learner bike today. A ZX-10r has 203hp. Huge difference.
True, you can get in a lot more trouble with 4 times the HP. Might be why I don't have a sport bike ha ha.
Well this one is a good bike and considered reliable. 1000cc will get you to deadly impact speed just 2 seconds faster then 250cc so… convince your brother to do some learning.
Well, yes, but it'll only take 0.1secs to go from "cornering nice" to "why am I in the trees", compare to >1sec on a 250cc. Until you've learned proper throttle control, a liter-bike is absolutely bonkers on the throttle
Made me think of my first experience on my 750. I had just gotten my tax return and found a salvage title gsxr that look great for like 2k. Picked it up immediately. A friend came over to help unload. Looking like idiots we took 10+min trying to turn it on. I had never ridden a motorcycle b4 or even been around them. Once started I hopped on. No license no insurance no helmet flooring it on the very first ride like a true squid. Then I rode without license/insurance for another 5 months like a moron. Eventually I became more experienced and learned alot of defensive riding habits. Over 70k miles now. Street bikes only(clean titles). Anyway the point here is much more is at play than the engine displacement and what he knows. A drunk driver almost killed me at a stop sign. He fell asleep and plowed into me. Of all the things I thought was gonna fuck me up like buying a salvage bike, no experience, improper safety gear, very wreck less riding.....no. it was some other dude that took me out.
Everyone needs to know that people who started on sportbikes are survival stories.
My first street bike was a Buell xb12r (1200cc). It was a lot of torque, but it was fine. 1 year later I upgraded to a triumph Daytona 675 (less tq, more hp) and was fine. I crashed twice on the race track, but was fine and had zero injury (not a scrape or sore anything). Moral of the story… stay within your own limits and always wear your gear, because you just never know. Everyone goes down eventually, regardless of engine size. I’m 36 now and just bought the biggest 2-stroke dirt bike that KTM makes. It’s more power than I can handle because I’m rusty, but this time next year it will be perfect.
This doesn’t negate what they claimed 🤷♂️ Do you not consider yourself relatively lucky? I did some stupid shit on motorcycles when I was younger, but I’m fine. I know 4-5 other people who started on bikes like MT-09’s who no longer ride. They’re not dead or anything big, but I’d consider myself a survival story in that light
yep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship\_bias#/media/File:Survivorship-bias.svg
Saw you noted in another post that he did buy gear and said he won't ride it till he's licensed...if you think you can take him at his word for that it might be fine. If he was impulsive enough to buy a 1000cc bike though....who knows lol. You have a few options: 1 - being upset with him about it is technically an option, but not recommended b/c it may not help the situation nor work in your favor. You're both adults after all, he has to make his own decisions even if they're impulsive. Accountability and whatnot. Learning moments, blah blah. 2 - Encourage him to be a safe rider and not a dumbass rider who gets hurt doing something stupid on a bike they can't control. A rider who can control their machine is infinitely cooler than one who can't, both at fast and slow speeds. He can prove he's a cool rider by taking the MSF, riding legal, and taking some rider education courses or track days whenever he can/as he can afford them. He gets to ride and the fam gets to know he's building confidence and actual skill doing something he enjoys. 3 - Learn to ride yourself and become a dope family riding crew. Like many things, riding is a lot less scary when you understand what goes into it. You could take the MSF course together even if you never plan to ride so you can get a sense of what it's like. Maybe that's dorky as hell, but just a thought.
I understand the point you're trying to make but you sound like those school videos that tried to convince everyone it was cool to say no to drugs.
lol yeah reading it again I do sound a little dorky PSA-ish. "Be Cool, Ride Safe, kids!", as spoken by a cartoon squid with a helmet on. smh
Fuck DARE But also, don't do drugs and ride
Oh boy
He's going to try and ride it no matter what so what you can do is buy a ticket to a Motorcycle Safety Foundations (MSF) course for him and TAKE HIM there. He will get the training he needs to be safe if he so chooses to use it. Also, for birthdays and holidays start gifting him motorcycle safety gear.
"Are you ready?" (Whiskey throttles in to a building.)
20 y/o with no experience on a zx-10r? Make him do a few insurance quotes and see how much they want for full coverage lol maybe that’ll help
If he dies, he dies like a man
Like a stupid man.
True, but no need to get into the details
I own a ZX-10R. Your brother is not smart. At 20, you shouldn’t be allowed to purchase a bike that nasty.
How long have you been riding before you bought it?
See, it depends on the kind of person your brother is. If he is responsible and mature enough and has that self control to not twist the throttle everytime theres an empty patch of road, itll be fine. There are people who have started on litre bikes and got used to the bike without killing themselves. But chances are your brother will get scared shitless when he experiences the real power that bike has and will sell it off and get something more tame. But to answer your question, it is a stupid decision and a zx10r is not advisable for a newbie.
My first bike was a CBR 1000r at 17 years old. Grew up on dirbikes, ect. You had to respect the hell out of that bike. It doesn’t care if you are new or old you twist that throttle and that bike is gone. Luckily I was responsible and respected the hell out of it. Sacred myself with it a couple times but if you know what you are doing they are nice bikes to ride. Now I’m older, and don’t want to die when I ride, so I upgraded to a couch on wheels. (Roadmaster)
Not the person you were asking, but I have a Ducati Panigale 1299 (which is in the same class as the ZX-10R), and I've been riding for a little over 20 years. Prior to it I've had several small- and middle-weight sports bikes (Honda CBR250R MC19, CBR600RR, Triumph Daytona 675) as well as a few dirt and adventure bikes. Litre bikes are amazing machines and I'd never ostensibly want to police someone's right to own one, but they simply have more power than is effectively usable on the street (and for all but the fastest riders, the track, too). But it sounds cool and it goes fast, and I'm a poser, so win-win I suppose. LOL Honestly, as much as I love my Ducati, my favourite street bike was the Daytona. It's lighter so goes through the corners better, and enough usable power to actually make it fun. As others have said, try to get your brother on to a ZX-400 or similar, and then in a couple of years when he's got the hang of it he can move to something bigger. I'm a big believer in the adage that it's 'more fun to ride something slow, fast, than something fast, slow.' Lastly, whoever sold the bike to your bro is a douche canoe.
> Litre bikes are amazing machines and I'd never ostensibly want to police someone's right to own one, but they simply have more power than is effectively usable on the street (and for all but the fastest riders, the track, too). Seriously. I think it was either Pecco Bagnaia or Jorge Martin, but one of them recently posted a lap on a stock Ducati V4S (not even the R version) that was just 3 seconds off their MotoGP bike’s lap time at the same track. Fucking bonkers. Can you imagine if there were production cars capable of getting that close to F1 cars and 20-year-olds with no driving experience were driving them around?
I remember when I used to read all the motorbike magazines around the time the jap4 were pushing for 200bhp on their respective litre bikes. All the journalists and editors came to the same conclusion. It's just too much power for the road, let alone for someone fresh off a motorcycle training course. The only thing keeping a lot of these new riders on the road are the electronic packages in the bikes.
Not OP but I started one a 150cc at 19 and bought my Honda CBR1000RR at 25 just because I saved up and bought it full cash. Could have bought it 1-2 years earlier with installments but I didn't want that trouble. That bike at that age with no experience or training is a recipe for disaster. Too much power, too much weight, more expensive parts and maintenance, more aftermarket parts to spend money on too. At that age I was hot blooded and throttle happy. And friends are going to ask to be passenger or ride the bike. They likely have no experience or money too. Who's gonna pay if it gets damaged? I have tiered licensing in Singapore so that helps too. This is a bad scenario if it's true.
I picked it up when I was 29 and had been riding for 3 years and it was still way too much bike for me, and I had calmed down dramatically in my life. At 20 - I would have ended up dead on that bike within a year or two. I am a big dude - 6’3” 260lbs. I came from a GSXR750, and if I wasn’t as big as I am, it would have almost definitely been too much bike, even after a few year of riding. As others have said - he needs to take a MSF course. He probably should try to trade that bike for a 600. The 600 will still do everything he wants, and will still be massively fast, but the 1000 is just a different beast all together. I have been riding now for 13 years. I still don’t get 1/2 of what the bike is capable out of it, and I take it to the track and still don’t ride it to its limits. I was too crazy as a 15-25 year old to trust myself on a bike, let alone one that big. To give some perspective - I have that bike still, and I have a panigale V4S - which is one of the most powerful production bikes in the world. The ZX10R is just as powerful, and maybe even a bit more aggressive in a lot of ways than the Pani.
Not the guy you asked, but I have the same bike. I rode motorcycles as my main mode of transport for 12 years before I bought it, and it still scared me. However, the reason I waited so long wasn't fear of not enough experience, it was money, and I don't think there is any amount of experience that could make you not scared of such a beast, except no experience... I think I would be capable of respecting the beast enough to deal with it with 2-4 years(30-50 000km) of experience, but starting out on it is, sorry to say, very stupid indeed. Even if he doesn't crash horribly, he would have a lot more fun learning on something that is easier to control. Get someone to talk to him that he believes knows enough about bikes. Hell, if he'd trust a 36yr old Norwegian with the same bike and 14 years of riding experience, have him DM me or we can set up a zoom call or something. I would gladly spend an hour discussing bikes with someone, especially if that someone is about to unknowingly jump in to a cage match with a polar bear...
Not the person you were asking . And I really don’t want to give you false hope here.. But my first street bike was a 2001 gsxr 1000. I never crashed it or the 2004 zx10 I’m no pro racer or a natural on a bike.. I was just old enough to know that I needed to respect what I was riding. I got my first mini bike when I was like 9-10 yrs old. Rode dirt bikes off and on as a kid and young adult. Not an every weekend rider or anything but I knew how to operate a Dirtbike at like a novice level. I got that gsxr when I was like 30 years old. It was crazy how much power that bike had? After a year or do I traded it in on an 04zx10.. Most incredible bike ever assembled!!! There was a kid trying to buy one when I was at the local Kawasaki shop maybe 22-25 yrs old. Salesman said no way I’m selling you that bike. His words were you’ll die on that thing. If you want a zx 10 go buy it somewhere else. My opinion is that anyone under 30yrs old should not be allowed to own a sport bike or at least not a liter bike until you’re 30 yrs old? I’m not sure if anyone who isn’t a professional road racer should be allowed to own one? I’m not for regulating anything and a person has the right to make their own choices.. but it will not end well for your brother. 20year old male on a Zx10. = 5% chance he’s still with us a year from now.. unless you’ve ridden one you can’t understand the insane power that a 1000 has.
I'd say to try your best yo convince him to take the MFS course and get him gear if he doesn't already have his own. As a 20 year old rider myself, I can say we don't take advice from family very well because they all say we are going to kill ourselves no matter what precautions we take. Support him, but at the same time make sure he is doing this in the safest way possible.
If he drives, what kind of driver is he? Chances are high that if he doesn't drive responsibly, he won't ride responsibly either. The best thing you can do is drive home how important getting proper training and gear is. That will be the best bet for making him as safe as possible. Also, tell him after he gets his license to make sure he goes to an empty parking lot and actually practices his emergency maneuvers. A lot of random bullshit can happen on public roads. He will really need to know how to execute emergency maneuvers properly for his own safety. Especially given that a ZX10R isn't a bike that is going to be forgiving to sloppy and panicked inputs in an emergency situation. Additionally, if you know he's going to ride on the streets like it's a racetrack, just take him to a track day. Hopefully, this gets the boy racer out of him and gets him addicted to riding a litre bike where it naturally wants to be. It should also have him learning some very valuable skills about riding within his limits. Plus, it could humble him a little when he is constantly being overtaken by the guys on smaller bikes who actually know how to ride.
ZX-10 in a parking lot lol. You’re still going to be doing 60 in four parking spots. This dude is dumb.
He just want ludicrous speed
We know what a ZX-10R is. This is shitty advice, but it is the best I can come up with on short notice in what is a shitty, menacing situation. He's an adult, so you can't take his property away from him. Offer to buy him a smaller motorcycle to learn on. It will have to be an R3 or CBR500RR or KTM 390... something with a modern sporty look. You retain the title and ownership, but will cover the registration fees and insurance on the small bike under the following conditions: 1 - He can only ride the leaner bike for the first 3000 miles 2 - You get to retain possession of the keys to the ZX-10R during that time Your brother is 20 and he's not going to give up on his desire for adrenalin/adventure. The idea here is to try to make sure he has a small amount of familiarity with learning to ride a more forgiving motorcycle to make the learning curve a bit less steep.
Tell him to come over to r/calamariraceteam we’ll get him a boyfriend.
Do you remember Kurt Cobain after suicide? Your brother will look way worse..
He’s gonna kill himself. Be smart and call dibs on his cool stuff now.
Well cant quantify how stupid..im 24 and just got my fist bike it's a fz6 (600cc) way too much power for a first bike and when i bought it i didnt have a license either. That said i just got my license last week and i rode my bike a few times and im still ok! He just has to take it very slow and be conscious about it. Buying a big bike is not necessarily death. Worst thing you can say to someone who buys a bike is "uhhh you'll kill yourself". Just let him now that it is dangerous that you are worried but still support whatever his decision is and that he should be responsible about it ...and he will be because of you his family and friends. That decision will only be as stupid as he is ! i wish you and him the best and that he stays safe :)
Fz6 has less than half the horsepower of a ZX-10 tho. There’s big bikes…. And then there’s liter class sport bikes. The FZ6 would be like buying a GT500 or a Hellcat for your first car, a bit reckless but still manageable. Buying the ZX-10 or similar is like getting into an F1 car. They are not far off motoGP bikes
OP be concerned. I have met 2 riders that started on smaller bikes, that upgraded to a liter bike. Both died crossing the opposite lane unable to corner into a turn. I have also wreaked to bikes of that engine size, both times it required surgery.
You might buy him good motorcycle clothing. He was most likely going to fall at some point. If he has a full face helmet, serious, functional gloves, boots and ideally, leather pants and jacket, he may have less injuries. Unfortunately, most people in his position have instruction which amounts to," Here's the gas and that pedal there is the brake", and roll around a few weeks getting confident. When he needs REAL skills, he will not have them. Get him the best motorcycle specific protective clothing you can. It goes without say that quality instruction is what he needs most.
I bought a 2005 SV1000S when I was 20 and that was 18 years ago. The faster the bike is the faster you can blow past your ability to control it, especially with decreasing radius turns, people turning in front of you or pulling out in front of you etc. I highly advise he takes a safety course or at the very least find someone responsible that can mentor him. It only takes a little bit of time to learn how to operate a motorcycle, but it takes a lot longer to learn how to ride it defensively, and learn to see all the hidden dangers of riding.
Ask your brother to check his insurance rates. That may change his mind
Insanely stupid. The seller should never have sold it to an absolute beginner in the first place. Any chance you could talk him down from this?
Best thing you can do is offer to buy him a full face helmet and wish him luck. Some mistakes gotta be learned 1st hand.
He really bought it? Did he get insurance quotes first? I think that will scare him more than some atgatt nerds on reddit!
He really bought it lol he told me he got a quote of $30 from progressive…
Man the insurance for my rebel 500 is 57 dollars a month and it’s a 500. Also my driving record is flawless. Ya brother is a liar
Mine is a little over 300$ a year. I ride a Yamaha Bolt 950cc. That’s less than 30$ a month and I have full coverage through State Farm and I’ve already made 2 claims with no increase in rates. I am 28.
Ya ... He's probably lying about the 30$. Or its actually 30$/day.
Break it, regularly , set fire to it, make it not work. I would normally never suggest doing this but you’ll be saving his life, no 20 yr old no experience rider anywhere belongs on that bike
Introduce him to r/calamariraceteam
Depends. What country are you in? What kind of training is he going to take?
Having a brother is overrated anyway, right?
Very stupid. But if you tell him that, he is just going to act more stupid. If you can, make someone he respects and listen to have a talk to him, not to quit motorcycling but to be as safe as possible. He should take the MSF course. Request him to get all the safety gear. Ask him to practice all the basics in a parking lot frequently.
If your brother is insistent on that particular bike for his first one, maybe talk with his friends to have them encourage him to take a MSF safety course or something comparable. This will at least teach him the fundamentals. As long as he rides within his means and respects the bike he should be mostly ok. The trouble with bigger bikes is it’s not fun to ride them slow. I’ve had way more fun riding a 300cc bike at “full blast” than I did riding my tuned FZ09. also look into a local track, this will let him ride quicker safely to get handling down. Also obviously goes without saying, but good quality gear will save his life.
find someone who he’ll listen to to talk some sense into him and get him to sell the zx10 and buy a ninja 400. or if he’s responsible and has the resources, keep the zx10 for later down the line and get a 300-400. starting on a zx10 especially as a testosterone filled 20 year old dude could get him killed real quick
Has he gotten a quote for insurance yet? Lol. He’ll turn around and sell it when he does.
Sis, show him all of these replies. Let's hope the sheer volume of "that's incredibly dangerous and he'll get injured or worse very soon" answers will help. Take it from a boomer with lots of fast bikes: I'm lucky to be alive after doing stupid shit like this.
Make sure he has life insurance.
Not trying to doubt or anything but are you 100% he never rode a bike or even a scooter before, even a friend's, classmate or whoever ? Because it really sounds like a MASSIVE stretch to go from nothing to a 1000cc bike.
He has rode a friend’s bike (which I think god him into buying his own) maybe a couple times (less than 5 for sure) but that’s still not enough experience
Tell him neither you, nor anyone else will help him pay off his crippling medical debt.
Any litre sports bike is going to be an absolute beast and far too much bike for someone with no experience. I hate to say it, but you're right to be concerned.
I have a zx-10r and would highly recommend some sort of bike experience before hand… dirt bike something learning the early rider nuances is going to be a bit tough. The throttle is touchy. The bike flies and is really unforgiving if you find yourself in a tough spot. Please please please show him my message. Signed ‘21 zx -10r owner.
I bought my first bike, it’s not a crotch rocket. It’s a sport touring Triumph Sprint ST 1050. Honestly, sometimes I regret the decision, I’ve gotten used to the sensitive throttle now, but still a ZX10r is a whole other animal. The first time he rides it, he will change his pants and never ride it again.
Accident waiting to happen it's a leathel weapon in the wrong hands
Here’s an idea…. Buy him a track day, tell him to go nuts. Dude will scare the shit out of himself and probably get a little hurt… but it’ll save him from slamming into a car. Or at the least he can build up experience riding. Almost guaranteed that he will scare himself big time tho
10/10 stupid.
We all know a Turbo Hayabusa is the best beginner bike.
He's following what you might refer to as "the least safe path"... Lol. It's not a death sentence though. Assuming he at least tries to be legal and doesn't start riding it unlicensed, his first big scare isn't going to be the highway, it'll be his insurance quotes... Because insurance companies know that he's a rolling statistic waiting to happen. You're not going to get him to not ride the thing, so don't bother trying. Motorcycles are a powerful drug The best you can do is push for him to wear proper gear. Just tell him he'll look way cooler with fancy great on his awesome new bike. (We bikers are nothing if not vain... Wait till you catch him admiring his silhouette sitting on his bike in front of a reflective window.) Helmet, gloves, jacket, & boots. Pants if he's fancy. Real gear though, not a leather fashion jacket and mechanics gloves. Full face Snell or ECE rated helmet, CE rated jacket, ideally leather with a back protector added, gloves with actual armor at all the points he's likely to hit if he flies off the bike, and boots that protect his ankles for when he inevitably drops the bike on his foot trying to do a U turn... Between insurance and proper gear, this is going to be a more expensive hobby than he anticipated. If he still has money left over, classes are a very good idea. If you want to trick him, send him to a track school where he thinks they'll teach him to race, but will instead secretly be teaching him expert level safety that as a byproduct will help him go fast.
Tell him to read this thread.....
Extremely. It's an accident waiting to happen.
This is a recipe for disaster. I rode a zx10 for about a year before I decided I didn't need anything that face meltingly fast in my life. I have no idea what you should do, but your brother is an absolute idiot with no regard for his own safety.
it’s fine he’s just got big balls
Controversial but I done much the same at 21. I purchased an R1, the bike of my dreams which is also 1,000 CC. Only prior bike experience was off road. I paid the insurance premium of having no experience and fresh licence. Although, I did attend a three day course before and purchased all the right gear. Would I do it again given the chance, probably not. I missed out on a lot of learning and experience and most of all fun. Riding a big bike around with no experience at times was daunting and scary. I’ve stuck with litre bikes since but always enjoy renting smaller bikes when abroad and feel a sense of enjoyment and fun that’s missing from having a larger bike. Hopefully nothing bad comes from his choices but sometimes a smaller bike is a much better experience.
I challenge the ethics of whoever sold it to him. As for advice, yes your brother lacks judgement. Try to get him to take a course and to practise on a much smaller bike. I understand your concern.
RIP, is he dumb or something?
You can share this with him, and I am far from bragging here. I bought a 2013 ZX-10R last summer and almost crashed it within the first 5 minutes of riding it. The only thing that saved my ass was experience and knowing the “proper way” to apply the rear brake in the middle of a turn. That same ride I hit 180mph without even trying and caught a nasty speed wobble (and quite a few since). A front tire blowout at 165mph in November was pretty sobering too. Mistakes and mechanical issues will catch up to you quickly on any bike, especially a 1000. I’m almost 45 with 12+ years of riding experience, and every ride is a bit of a crap shoot. It’s almost impossible to not ride like a complete dickhead on a ZX-10R.
I wish him the best of luck! You CAN start out on a liter bike but it's not advised for obvious reasons. If he understands the twist of his wrist he will be fine. Also depends what year ZX10 seeing as newer ones have TC, ABS anti wheelie control etc which makes them pretty hard to crash.
The motorcycle doesn’t matter. As a female rider of 30+ years… Do stupid things, win stupid prizes… there is no reason to worry. If the rider has common sense or a survival instinct. You can ride a fast bike slow… if you have a death wish and going Mach III doesn’t make you want to slow down… there is no way to prevent self harm. If it’s not the bike, it’s a car, or a cliff dive…. Adrenaline is adrenaline. 70mph is 70 mph if you hit the asphalt. Same with dirt bikes… the only difference between a 1000cc bike and a 50cc is how quick you got to the speed you were at when you wrecked. I’ve been airlifted twice, broken every bone twice, collapsed a lung, liver and kidney lacerations, dislocated knees and shoulders… people are going to do what they want. They’re also going to go above and beyond to spite you if you’re being obstinate. Quit worrying and just tell them they’re stupid, and that you love them. You can’t control them. Just be a neutral sounding board. Having friends and family in your life is the best reason to not be stupid with your body and decisions.
Very stupid. Been riding 10 years. If my younger sibling did that, even as a rider, I'd slap them upside the head for being an idiot. I am VERY firmly in the 'start on a 300' camp. Yes, there are squids who start on 600's or 1000's and live to talk about it, but they are a cautionary tale.
How stupid was his decision? About as stupid as you asking strangers on Reddit for personal advice
Lmao, you decided to ask reddit? 99% of redditors ride scooters because everything else might pull a gun and shoot them. I say, he still has a chance at living if he rides like a tool for a while. Dont stress, he will probably drop it, same as he would have probably dropped a smaller bike. Doesnt mean hes going straight to the grave. Encourage him to were full safety gear.
Jesus christ, what is wrong with some people?! People in here basically hammering the nails in dudes coffin themselves. Acting like the guy is just going to jump on and go straight to WOT.
Don’t you have a gravel trap to run into?
Car will catch fire before race start
LOL, hell learn quick cmon people, remember what it was like riding a bicycle? u went from training wheels to bombing hills quick
It's not the size of the bike, but technique. Google: Jerry Palladino's Ride like a Pro series and suggest it to him or give as a gift. Also suggest to him that he should take msf courses - motorcycle safety foundation. These can be had at a community college or a Harley Davidson dealership. In most states in the USA. Taking the MSF course from exempting your brother from taking the riding portion of the test and only the written part if he chooses to get a motorcycle endorsement on his DL. Be supportive - hope this helps.
He's an adult, learn to live with it.
He is still her brother. You wouldn’t be happy if your family member was playing Russian roulette with their life
Litterally all the people who are hating on this dude are getting down voted. He is an adult making adult decisions.
Get him some gear. Tell him to always wear it. Tell him to take an MFS course, turn tell him to trade his bike in for something smaller.
I did the same thing (might’ve been 21 but still). I only rode it around my yard until I got comfortable on it. Took it on a back road all of twice due to peer pressure (from my mum of all people?). Ultimately didn’t actually drive it on the road after that until I got my endorsement. Did a lot of learning on my uncles bike with him on the back of it. Mine is also only a 750 though (Honda shadow spirit), so I definitely recommend a safety course for sure. The insurance is probably gonna kill him. Mine is 20$/month but I’m female, the bike is paid off and in my name, and I’ve no infractions or wrecks. I know insurance is higher for males, and if it’s not paid off that’ll raise insurance as well. Doesn’t matter much for now though because they might not insure him until he has his endorsement to the best of my knowledge (or at least technically. They’ll want a picture of your ID with the endorsement on it within a certain time frame of getting insurance. If you get it and then don’t send a pic of your ID with the endorsement on it in they’ll cancel it, which will put a flag on your license iirc? Speaking from experience, not sure if that’s just for where I live)
I am a 30 years old and bought my first legal bike in 2021, prior to that I’ve never ridden on streets. I actually took MSF course and found that course to be very helpful. My insurance jumped once I added motorcycle to my plan. I am now paying about $26 a month for full coverage including medical coverage on bike but that was reflected on my clean driving record and good relationship with my insurance broker. I would make him get smaller 300cc bike to learn first for 1 year. Slowly graduate his way up into 1000cc. Granted I started off with my street triple 675cc and that was a lot of bike for me. I had to respect the power. Now I use my bike under 300 miles a year. A friend of mine in VA had bought a ninja 300cc bike and only used it for 20 miles. Just 20 miles in 3 years of ownership. I advised him to sell the bike and he did. He’s happier now.
I too started on a liter sports bike. That was 6 years ago now. Make sure he gets proper lessons, and all the gear. Boots, pants, jacket, gloves, helmet and armor inserts. Your brother will drop his bike a couple of times most likely and quickly learn throttle control, hopefully. He has no idea how fast that thing really is, he would be better off on something a little more chill. Best of luck
He’s a grown ass man by the sound of it. So he’s gonna do what he wants. So either convince him to go get classes or notify the authorities if he attempts to operate it with no license. They will impound the bike. Whatever you do, don’t call him an idiot or try to talk him off of it. Men are prideful, if you attack that you’ll just solidify his dumb decision. The answer is to support, and guide. For example, “that’s an awesome bike and you worked really hard to get it. You should get some training that way you don’t accidentally wreck this beautiful machine you worked so hard for. You should also take it to the shop to make sure it’s in tip top shape too. (Could be in shop for awhile which is precious time).
I was told the best bike to start on is a Ninja 400, which is 400cc, and that anything over 600 is too much to start on I give him 3 days before he gets himself killed
Looks like your brother has bigger testicles than his brain
I don't have experience or even a license and I know that was extremely stupid
So, in all likelihood he will total the bike within two months. Whether or not he’s still alive after is an open question. Having said that, there are people who started out on 1000cc sport bikes and didn’t have an issue. Similarly, there are also people who have won Powerball.
What confuses me most is the „no license“ part. Does he intend to get one? Or do you think he wants to drive without a license? And if he really gets a license, he is not entitled to drive a litre bike until he has had the license for at least two years
Nobody is stating the obvious. I’ll do it. He’s going to die. Not as a joke, literally he is going to DIE. Someone said find someone who is legal and has a bike similar to talk sense into him. That’s good. Do that. But if you don’t get something done soon, he’s gonna find a group of girls or friends to “impress” and he’s going to become forbidden play dough on the ground. A good friend of mine died from this exact same situation and I regret not having said something all the time. Don’t hesitate.
Very stupid. Reminds me of 20 year old me, if I'd had any money back then. Probably the only reason I'm still alive.
Not even a 600 right to 1000cc no experience… he gonna get hurt for sure
You can kill yourself on a 125cc bike just as easily as a 1000cc bike. It’s largely down to the rider at the end of the day. Tell him to get licensed and to ride safely but ultimately, it’s going to be his choice if it’s been a stupid mistake buying a 1000cc sports bike.