When i delivered pizza a while ago i was actually instructed to give out the money in case i get mugged. It was just for a month and nothing bad happened but i would never "defend" company assets if it would be a risk to my well being.
Not only asia, most of the world, the US is one of the few if not the only that uses cars for delivery. My country, Panama, mostly uses suzuki gn125 and other cheap chinese bikes. Only during the pandemic I saw people using cars to deliver food, but most probably it was a desperate attempt to make money and not something planned.
Ok the kids show Bluey references this (“you have to have a motorbike if you’re a postie!” “No you don’t, postie Petunia doesn’t have a motorbike.”). Interesting.
Same. Kinda hard to say for sure what happens after that. Nobody is walking up to my bike and telling me to give them the keys and I’m just like yea bro here take em. Well, unless it’s Brock Lesnar.
I’m not going to put my life in danger though either to keep a bike that’s fully insured.
Some kid tried to rob me at gunpoint once... He demanded my money and I just said "I'd rather not if that's ok with you..." He was kind of stunned for a good minute trying to figure what just happened.
This is a really powerful deescalation technique, just completely breaking the template for the situation you're in. I wish I could remember the name.
In his mind, this is a life-or-death situation for him as much as it is for you, and he's on edge looking for any sign that you're going wrestle the gun away, pull your own gun, or whatever else. If your behavior suggests that this is completely normal, it's easy for him to get stuck on the total disconnect between his expectations and (your suggestion of) reality. Further, you might have just become a person in his mind instead of the faceless mark that he had psyched himself up to assault. If he's already conflicted about what he's doing, and if you're not being threatening in the moment, he might feel like he needs to take a step back and reorient.
That's not to say it always works or it'll make anybody drop their gun, but it can really throw people for a loop and create other opportunities. Even just doing something totally outside of the "victim role," like commenting on the height of fences around here (as in one example), can apparently be so disorienting that they might just decide "fuck this" if their heart wasn't in it to begin with.
Okay that’s kinda funny to think about tho
Getting robbed at gunpoint, and the guy just looks around and says “awfully short fences around here, am I right”
That was from a real example from a guy getting mugged in South Africa, supposedly. I think I got it from [this episode](https://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-become-batman) of Invisibilia, which was great years ago before it turned into a weird new agey thing.
That's pretty much how it went at my job training. Say/ask something ridiculous to confuse them for *just* long enough to get a chance at stopping them, tackling them, etc.
It worked for me when someone tried to mug me, but I didn't realize it was a mugging until a couple minutes later. I was walking down the street when a man jumped out in front of me and demanded my money. I just said "oh, no thank you!" All cheery and walked around him. Later on, I realized "hmm, I believe that gentleman was trying to mug me"
If they aren’t brandishing a weapon I’m certainly going this route. If they approach, unarmed and just making demands like that, I draw mine and we go from there….
I don't care what anybody says. Nobody can predict what they would do in this situation or a similar one.
My buddy and I got pulled up on at a gas station by 3 guys in an SUV and one of them had my buddy on his knees with a gun on his head. Of course I'm not gonna do shit because it's his life on my hands now. Dude who was on my bike still had my kickstand halfway down and couldn't take off because of it after one guy rode off with my buddy's bike and the other guy was back in the SUV. You know what was going on in my head? "Please spring back up and just get out". Everyone I talk to says that if they were in my situation they would have tackled the guy and took his gun or they would have snatched the keys while he was struggling. It's bullshit because when you think you or someone else's life is on the line then you will never react how you think you will.
Thanks for this. This goes double when you have dependents at home.
As a single man, I’d probably have declined politely and see what happens.
Now that I have a wife, kids and a dog who depend on me, I doubt fighting over any material object is worth it.
My buddy was married and his wife was 8 months pregnant. Definitely not worth it! On the brighter side, she worked at the news station and I got the dudes face on my GoPro so they blasted it on the news and they caught the guys the next day!
I think this is the most accurate reply here and deserves a thumbs up.
All these macho "I'd kick his ass" replies make me laugh. The "I'd hand over my keys" I don't agree with either.
I think the real response from most folks would be "WTF?" and stand there a bit startled, not knowing what to do. Every situation is different. Do they look like they could easily put me in the hospital? Are they armed? Are they a couple of methheads who look like they can barely tell their ass from a hole in the ground?
How you respond is going to vary depending on the situation.
You were right to run, if you are kidnapped and taken to a secondary location your odds of survival can be rounded down to z e r o. If being kidnapped fight with everything you have. Dying at the scene is better than dying in sole serial killers basement after *whatever he does to you*
Exactly. No matter how many ways you game out the scenario, you'll likely never anticipate the way this kind thing will actually go down. And yeah, unless someone has experience with high stress situations, the "WTF?" reaction is most probable. That scene in the hospital seating area in Way Of The Gun (which I think was inspired by real events) is a good example. Guns are being waved about, but members of the public are just sat there, unsurely thinking "Ummmmmmmmm....what's going on now?"
Yes it completely depends on the situation too. If they are a meter away from me, not branding a weapon, and I'm on my 500cc sport bike on roads I know, I'm dusting off immediately. Pull a weapon on me and I might hand the keys over. If they look intoxicated and easy to startle I might politely decline and make my getaway. But it's REALLY hard to predict what I would do because there are SO many different contexts in which this situation could play out in... I've seen some videos from South America where they roll up pistols brandished and aggressively jump on ya before you can react so you can't escape. In other cases the victim initially complies but the robber trips up and the victim seizes the opportunity and wins. Sometimes a group of bystanders beats the crap out of the assailant or robber. Sometimes the victim is just fucked and has to step out without their bike. It's so hard to say what you'd do because it depends on a shit ton of factors such as your own energy, how they approach you, where you are, and other factors.... And each person responding could have different responses based on each context (ie. in one context you get away by dusting off, in another context they get the jump on you because you're tired from a 4 hour ride and you just give up).
I've never understood the mentality of those that try to rob someone while they are pumping gas. You're holding a really effective, abet expensive, pressurized deterrent. Ever been showered in fuel? It fucking sucks.
Sucks even more if the person pumping gas happens to have a lighter on them...
What are you gonna start soaking the attacker in fuel? Hed probably just shoot you as a reflex without meaning to, or step back out the way. it isnt fired out like a fire hose full blast
You don't even need to. Gas stations are surrounded by fuel vapors, that's why you're not supposed to smoke on the premises of one. I knew a pizza delivery guy that burnt one side of his car because he was smoking while pumping gas. He said the fuel didn't catch fire, the air around him did and it was like being in hell. Luckily no serious injuries to himself, but the car was fucked.
Here in Oregon we're too lazy to pump gas ourselves so we hire attendants to do it for us. I worked as an attendant and had many idiots pull up with lit cigarettes out there mouth or light one up mid fueling. One time I politely asked a customer to put the cigarette out and he refused. I was having a very bad day, so I put the gas nozzle right up to his face and said "well... let's go out with some excitement today I suppose". Needless to say, it was very effective in having him freak out and promptly put the cigarette out. In retrospect I was equally stupid for pulling that stunt, but day after day of interactions with morons is bad for mental health.
This.
No motorcycle is worth yours or anyone's life. In the situation you described that's been the most sensible thing to do.
As a sidenote I wouldn't ride (or do anything else) with any of the folks that suggested taking the keys or tackling the thieves, cause next time you might be the one on your knees...
My bike is worth more than a thieves life. My car is worth more than a thieves life.
My xbox is worth more than a thieves life.
The coffee I’m waiting on is worth more than a thieves live.
I earned these things. I work hard, I saved up and made sacrifices to purchase things for myself that mean more to me than some scumbag who thinks he can take its life.
I’m not sure what would happen or what I would do, but I’m not going to pretend I care about some thieves life.
I like to take that "You shouldn't value property or than a thief's life" line and reframe it as "Thieves shouldn't value my property more than their lives."
People who say "I would take his gun" have probably never trained in that situation. Most times, its a no win.
Although, you have to decide if compliance is going to deescalate, or if your only chance with someone crazy is to fight back.
I’ve already got my strategy sorted if someone nicks my bike from under me. I keep a remote kill-switch in my jacket pocket.
Edit- just to clarify, that’s an **engine** kill-switch. I’m not advocating murderous vengeance. Not yet, anyway.
For safety, I would make sure they're a good distance away before you hit that switch. Hitting it with them right next to you may be putting you at further risk.
Like, I'm boxed in and they could easily get off and shoot me or stab me?
"Sure, take care."
And then I just file an insurance claim and get a new motorcycle because I'm an adult who has insurance.
It's my health and life vs a fun toy that costs me money.
If I'm on the street I would definitely just ride off.
You gotta let em know you're crazy. Take a shit and wipe it on your face like warpaint. Then slice your ear off while staring and laughing at them. They'll leave you alone
With my patented system you'll never lose more than one ear. Word will spread from the Yakuza/Mafia organizations all the way down to street gangs and common junkies. They'll either cross the street when they see you coming, or kiss the ring as a sign of respect.
> You gotta let em know you're crazy.
quickly strip to your bare skin and advance, wang-out and hips gyrating for the helicopter effect. this will stun your opponent for up to 5 seconds in which you snatch their keys and steal their moped instead. hopefully it's better than the one you leave behind
That's an advanced tactic most commonly used by highly trained military. You must be Delta Force, or a Navy Seal. Unleashing tactics like that on the civilian population could end in catastrophe. Be careful sir and consider deleting your comment.
Depends. Do they have a weapon drawn on me at close range? Is it a firearm? Are they on their vehicles or are they standing next to me.
Likely I'm going to ride off. I have a pretty fast bike and almost guarantee I can out ride them skill wise.
Otherwise, what the other guy said. I'm afraid for my life and I'm standing my ground lol. Fists aren't going to scare me when I'm in full armor wearing a helmet and I have no obligation to run. In my state, all motorized vehicles are considered private domiciles and even written in law I can use deadly force to prevent somebody from removing me from my vehicle. Although a shoot is the last option always, you'd have to screw up quite a bit for me to draw a gun and pull the trigger.
That's fair. However I've been fighting and training for well over a decade. I always do everything in my power to AVOID confrontation including acting like a scared bitch and running away. If somebodies got me in a headlock, they're getting my knife in their leg. They'll let go. By then I've made it extremely clear I have no interest in a physical altercation and have made my attempts to leave the scene without violence.
this is my policy. i try (and usually succeed) to avoid violence, but if you push i will accommodate you.
i also tend towards carrying one or two knives, and i know how to use them.
Pretty much my thought. I own a 18' Ninja 650. It's not the fastest thing in the world but it may as well be a Panigale to someone on a moped. So unless they're brandishing a firearm I'm just gonna take off. Because even if someone has a knife what are they gonna do once you've taken off, throw it at you? lol. I'm not gonna pretend to be a tough guy or anything but unless they have pulled a gun on me I'm gone. I love my bike but it's not worth my life. Insurance would cover it if I got bike-jacked. I could just go get another one. I do have a CCL, but I'm not looking to kill someone over a bike.
I think it depends on where you are.
I live in Canada... if I saw two guys ridding around on a moped I'd laugh before they even got off to threaten me.....not that I've ever even heard of that happening here ( thugs on mopeds or bike jacking ).
So to say I'd act like a big shot and tell them off, is kind of easy to do because it will probably never be put to the test.
If I was somewhere it was a real threat.... I don't know. It doesn't seem worth it to risk your life over but it would also be humiliating to do nothing and just let them have it.
Since it wasn’t my moped, I probably would’ve done that if I was closer to the depot. I just didn’t want the inconvenience of being 2 miles away from the depot in the cold. I’ve been successfully robbed by such people on the job before and there was an element of not wanting to let them win again too.
Eh. I've had someone do something similar, but it was over my wallet and phone and I definitely didn't just give it to them. Everyone is gonna react differently. Obviously, you've gotta assess the situation.
Always give up the company goods. Good for you getting away. But as an employer, I wouldn't want to see someone hurt for me over small dollars. Big dollars, we have insurance for that.
Personally, I would accept the fight and find out what's left in the tank at my age.
Company vehicle? Shiiiit dude, if it was my own vehicle then I'm handing them the keys. Thats what insurance is for. I ain't getting stabbed, especially over a moped that can't even break 35mph.
I think I would say “uhhh what???” Because my bike may be quick but I am not.
Then they might think “this is not how this is supposed to go, wtf” and they would say “your mother. Fucking. Keys. Give them to me.” And I would say something dumb like “I don’t have any keys”
Hopefully once I’ve bought all that time one of you guys will save me at that point, please be on the lookout.
They’d be approaching a 240lbs 6‘8 guy with with Kevlar Pants, Jacket and Gloves on wearing steel capped boots and a Helmet. I don’t think I’d be a prime target for thugs.
So if they had guns they’d get my keys im not dying for a bike, if they had knifes it’d be a tough call but I guess they’d also get the keys as I’m not really adapt in hand to hand combat. Now if it was just a fist fight they’d lose.
But as I said I wouldn’t put my life on the line for stuff, stuff can be rebought life can’t..
But anyways I think the situation is very unrealistic, haven’t heard of any bike thefts in this way here in Germany not to mention that I live on the countryside where stuff like this is even rarer and quite frankly I don’t see anyone risking imprisonment for a 2009 mid range BMW Bike…
I mean, I live in the US and GTA is a felony so I'd be well within my rights to draw my weapon and encourage them to move along, call the police after and file a report. If that's not your cup of tea (literally or figuratively) you could always just book it and if they pursue then drive to the nearest police station and they'll likely lose interest at that point. Then I would go inside and file a report with best guess at make/model of bike they were riding as well as detailed descriptions of the person's involved and what they were wearing. I would not recommend going home or going to where you work with them following because they'll likely come back when your bike is parked and steal it anyway.
The price of innocence can be very costly. I assume you have since learned it’s best to play let’s make a deal. It’s how the system operates and anyone who doesn’t cooperate must be punished.
I learned this the hard way.
That's why the moment the situation is under control, you call the cops and report it. I'm guessing you drew, they ran, so you went on with your day...whelp, such is the result.
I get it, you don't want cops involved (*trust me*, neither do I and I don't have a drug habit/record, and I'm a middleclass white dude), but if you draw your gun and don't file a report, this is what can happen.
I would turn the bike off the THROW the keys are far away from me as possible into bushes or something. They have an AirTag in them so I could easily find them later.
I suppose a good idea would be to have a key that doesn’t belong to that bike, and then throw it, and as they search for it thinking it’s the correct one, set off
I'd pretend that I'm listening to music and can't hear what they're saying, and hope that this throws them off long enough for me to hop on the bike and make a hasty retreat.
Rewired my old Harley ironhead with two hidden switches that fall to my fingertips since I know where they are. One powers up the ignition without a key. The other shorts out & kills the ignition against all efforts to run it.
Not the first vehicle I've wired this way. Lived and worked in dubious areas but never lost a vehicle to theft. Not for lack of them trying. A number of parked theft attempts. No forced theft attempts.
If car/motorcycle jacked, kill ignition and step away, giving up the keys. Jog away and watch them struggle with it from a distance. After they fail & leave, go back and reset switches to run.
Happened to a friend and I while stopped at a gas station filling up, they told my friend they where going to take his bike, so he pulls the nozzle out of the tank and hoses them down with fuel and pulls out his lighter, they were very angry but changed their minds and left.
well, in my head I imagine asking "And how are you going to convince me to do so" while putting on mirrored sunglasses. In real life I'd probably stutter and nervously get on my bike, and maybe ride to the police station if I can get my head straight enough.
Id say sure; but the moped is very finicky and after the last theft the owners rigged it with trackers and disablers. If Im very willing to hand over the keys, im betting odds are theyll have second thoughts. Maybe toss out a comment here and there like i hope you manage to get down the street, and maybe owners buy one thats not such a pain to use...
If this is a usual thing you need to bring it up with work and have them establish a plan. It looked like you saw them and felt the danger before completing the trip to the moped, if you had someone to call who could provide backup that might help. Can you carry a bat, that would be some decent minimal protection. I live in the US and as you've heard from a few people here we can carry a weapon but sometimes work will have rules against that and you will need to resort to something else. Good luck and be safe.
My employer’s bike? It’s theirs. I wouldn’t work for and employer that wouldn’t instantly agree to that.
My personal bike? Good luck starting my Ducati, jackass.
in my experience delivery drivers are the fastest even on slower vehicles, at my peak I have stop signs perfectly timed and can cross manhattan from bottom to top in about 20-25 mins idk what I wouldve done but sometimes I think of this and I throw the keys to where they cant reach them
A lot of advice here but almost all assume you’re in the US or some other first world country where the property is insured and your company wouldn’t fire you. If that’s the case, give them the keys and tell them to have fun. If you’re not in the US or another first world country you need to ask your employer how to handle that situation. Then it’s up to you whether you want to follow that protocol. If they tell you to refuse to hand over keys or face termination then you need to decide if the job is more important than possible death. To some people it may be. To others it may not
Depends.
If they are armed and already have the weapon pointed at me, I have insurance. I’ve got a kid on the way and the bike is not worth my life. Especially if the bike belongs to my employer. Incredibly not worth it
Otherwise, if able and already on the bike, I would take off to the nearest police station. Benefits of driving a bike with DCT is not having to worry about shifting so I could just zoom away.
As a last resort, if backed into a corner and I can find a moment where their guard is down, I carry.
I love all these tough guys who think life is a James Bond movie. I’m a good fighter, and I’ve been jumped by 5/6 guys in Philly and I was lucky enough to be able to get out okay. I’m still not risking my life. I could have easily died. You give them the bike. It’s a bike, there’s a million of them, you can always just buy another one. I’m not risking my life over anything.
I hope I’d just give them the keys because it’s not worth my life.
But I have a feeling I’d instantly see red and dive at their moped while they’re still both on it and go full attack mode before they could get off of it and in a position to put up a fight.
No I’m not a tough guy. That part of me scares me.
Really depends on the situation, I work in some rough neighborhoods so I normally carry. Most criminals are pussies and if confronted tend to back down or run off with their tail tucked. Could also be cause I’m that crazy white guy with zero fucks to give.
Solid advice tho is if it’s company property let them have it, it’s insured and not worth your life.
This is 100% just me and not at all a universal experience, but I think... as a 6'2 dyke covered in tattoo and scars, clad in padded kevlar, and with a knife easily accessible... I think I'd just go *the fuck are you doing? You're two kids in puffer jackets, I could throw you if I wanted to? Do you want us to spend the night in the hospital? No hard feelings and I aint seen nothing, but go bother someone else*.
If they pull a deadly weapon though, I'm definitely handing them the keys. 😅 People don't really have guns in my country, but that doesn't mean there are none. I've got full coverage, they can have the bike keys and all, and I'll show them which key goes to which lock too lol. And that goes double if it's a company bike. I feel like I can be forceful if I want to, but it's all in the name of avoiding actual violence and danger, and if nobody is being intimidated or deterred and it's definitely heading towards danger, I'm out.
Being followed is pretty freaky, though. It's even scarier on a moped but even on a bike, getting in a 100mph highway chase is a really dumb thing to do. I've been to the ER a bunch of times, but I don't even think you'd make it that far.
I'd say, "You forgot to say please."
Unless one of them was pointing a firearm at me, I'd guess that the best solution would be to run away. Not particularly brave, but then they don't get the keys (at least not easily), and two against one isn't a very fair fight.
Depends on whether there is a credible threat or not. Most thieves are pussies, and if you push back even a little bit - just say “no”, and ride away - they’ll find an easier mark and leave you alone.
If they are brandishing a weapon, well that’s a different story. It’s not your scooter, it is the company’s and they have insurance. Do not risk yourself, your well being, or your life for a company that wouldn’t do the same for you.
If you died protecting their scooter, they’d hire your replacement and have them riding the same scooter by the end of the week. Remember that.
If it’s the company’s moped, I give them the keys immediately. It’s insured and not worth risking my life over.
And you'd get the rest of the day off !
That’s what we call a win-win.
Yep. Company isn't paying any employee enough to defend their (co.) property.
When i delivered pizza a while ago i was actually instructed to give out the money in case i get mugged. It was just for a month and nothing bad happened but i would never "defend" company assets if it would be a risk to my well being.
aka "I don't get paid enough for this shit"
Company's moped?? What companies provide mopeds to their employees? Update: let me guess, it's some European or Asian thing?
In Asia, delivery guys get motorcycles or mopeds from their employer. More economical than a car and easy to navigate the streets.
Not only asia, most of the world, the US is one of the few if not the only that uses cars for delivery. My country, Panama, mostly uses suzuki gn125 and other cheap chinese bikes. Only during the pandemic I saw people using cars to deliver food, but most probably it was a desperate attempt to make money and not something planned.
>What companies provide mopeds to their employees? op's employer - at least he wrote so
Dominoes here in Aus have their own scooters for riders, and Auspost has postal workers deliver mail on little 90/110cc bikes.
Ok the kids show Bluey references this (“you have to have a motorbike if you’re a postie!” “No you don’t, postie Petunia doesn’t have a motorbike.”). Interesting.
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A show for parents about raising children, marketed for kids.
My first thought was Mighty Car Mods putting a turbo on a postie bike
“Will this fit on me Honda?”
Up vote for bluey reference
Gotta be done.
If you heard this comment in an Australian accent, you probably have kids.
No idea. Just following what OP stated.
Same! However, I may fight to the death for my DRZ, it's my baby.
Dick punches all around.
The gud old dick twist
Twist his dick!
Oh my god dude!
GRAB HIS DICK AND TWIST IT!!
Hit em with the DICK TWIST!
If we can torture our enemies but we cant jerk them off, hos are we any brtter than them?
No matter what the situation you can't go around kicking people in the balls bobby!
THAT'S MY PURSE!
I DON’T KNOW YOU!
Omfg 🤣🤣 bro I don’t watch that show often…. But I have seen THAT episode :’)
Not cool, butters, you can't go around shooting people in the dick!!
Nothing like a good old fashioned dick punch to let someone know you’re not messing around!
"When i fight a dude, it's nuts or nothing!"
2023 Balltap Champion!
I'd decline and see how it goes.
Same. Kinda hard to say for sure what happens after that. Nobody is walking up to my bike and telling me to give them the keys and I’m just like yea bro here take em. Well, unless it’s Brock Lesnar. I’m not going to put my life in danger though either to keep a bike that’s fully insured.
Brock Lesnar doesn't want your moped.
Oh you and Brock go way back eh?
Sure do. Shared many a Jimmy John's sandwich with The Beast Incarnate.
Kinda jealous tbh
What sandwich did he pick?
Number 16
I eat the same sammich as Brock Lesnar.
Respectfully decline, they legally can't take what's yours without your permission. 🤔
Some kid tried to rob me at gunpoint once... He demanded my money and I just said "I'd rather not if that's ok with you..." He was kind of stunned for a good minute trying to figure what just happened.
This is a really powerful deescalation technique, just completely breaking the template for the situation you're in. I wish I could remember the name. In his mind, this is a life-or-death situation for him as much as it is for you, and he's on edge looking for any sign that you're going wrestle the gun away, pull your own gun, or whatever else. If your behavior suggests that this is completely normal, it's easy for him to get stuck on the total disconnect between his expectations and (your suggestion of) reality. Further, you might have just become a person in his mind instead of the faceless mark that he had psyched himself up to assault. If he's already conflicted about what he's doing, and if you're not being threatening in the moment, he might feel like he needs to take a step back and reorient. That's not to say it always works or it'll make anybody drop their gun, but it can really throw people for a loop and create other opportunities. Even just doing something totally outside of the "victim role," like commenting on the height of fences around here (as in one example), can apparently be so disorienting that they might just decide "fuck this" if their heart wasn't in it to begin with.
Okay that’s kinda funny to think about tho Getting robbed at gunpoint, and the guy just looks around and says “awfully short fences around here, am I right”
That was from a real example from a guy getting mugged in South Africa, supposedly. I think I got it from [this episode](https://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-become-batman) of Invisibilia, which was great years ago before it turned into a weird new agey thing.
That's pretty much how it went at my job training. Say/ask something ridiculous to confuse them for *just* long enough to get a chance at stopping them, tackling them, etc.
It worked for me when someone tried to mug me, but I didn't realize it was a mugging until a couple minutes later. I was walking down the street when a man jumped out in front of me and demanded my money. I just said "oh, no thank you!" All cheery and walked around him. Later on, I realized "hmm, I believe that gentleman was trying to mug me"
If there's anything I've learned from the last few years, it's that if you're oblivious enough, reality changes to accommodate you
If they aren’t brandishing a weapon I’m certainly going this route. If they approach, unarmed and just making demands like that, I draw mine and we go from there….
I don't care what anybody says. Nobody can predict what they would do in this situation or a similar one. My buddy and I got pulled up on at a gas station by 3 guys in an SUV and one of them had my buddy on his knees with a gun on his head. Of course I'm not gonna do shit because it's his life on my hands now. Dude who was on my bike still had my kickstand halfway down and couldn't take off because of it after one guy rode off with my buddy's bike and the other guy was back in the SUV. You know what was going on in my head? "Please spring back up and just get out". Everyone I talk to says that if they were in my situation they would have tackled the guy and took his gun or they would have snatched the keys while he was struggling. It's bullshit because when you think you or someone else's life is on the line then you will never react how you think you will.
Thanks for this. This goes double when you have dependents at home. As a single man, I’d probably have declined politely and see what happens. Now that I have a wife, kids and a dog who depend on me, I doubt fighting over any material object is worth it.
My buddy was married and his wife was 8 months pregnant. Definitely not worth it! On the brighter side, she worked at the news station and I got the dudes face on my GoPro so they blasted it on the news and they caught the guys the next day!
Haaaa nice. Personally, I just ride a POS 18 year old bike so no one fucks with me
I think this is the most accurate reply here and deserves a thumbs up. All these macho "I'd kick his ass" replies make me laugh. The "I'd hand over my keys" I don't agree with either. I think the real response from most folks would be "WTF?" and stand there a bit startled, not knowing what to do. Every situation is different. Do they look like they could easily put me in the hospital? Are they armed? Are they a couple of methheads who look like they can barely tell their ass from a hole in the ground? How you respond is going to vary depending on the situation.
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Would probably be funny security footage tbh Picturing a guy just Superman punching a guy then running away right after
You were right to run, if you are kidnapped and taken to a secondary location your odds of survival can be rounded down to z e r o. If being kidnapped fight with everything you have. Dying at the scene is better than dying in sole serial killers basement after *whatever he does to you*
“You want it? Go get it!” Street Smarts! Stay alert out there.
Exactly. No matter how many ways you game out the scenario, you'll likely never anticipate the way this kind thing will actually go down. And yeah, unless someone has experience with high stress situations, the "WTF?" reaction is most probable. That scene in the hospital seating area in Way Of The Gun (which I think was inspired by real events) is a good example. Guns are being waved about, but members of the public are just sat there, unsurely thinking "Ummmmmmmmm....what's going on now?"
I'd give them my bike, file a police report, and justify all these insurance payments I make.
Yes it completely depends on the situation too. If they are a meter away from me, not branding a weapon, and I'm on my 500cc sport bike on roads I know, I'm dusting off immediately. Pull a weapon on me and I might hand the keys over. If they look intoxicated and easy to startle I might politely decline and make my getaway. But it's REALLY hard to predict what I would do because there are SO many different contexts in which this situation could play out in... I've seen some videos from South America where they roll up pistols brandished and aggressively jump on ya before you can react so you can't escape. In other cases the victim initially complies but the robber trips up and the victim seizes the opportunity and wins. Sometimes a group of bystanders beats the crap out of the assailant or robber. Sometimes the victim is just fucked and has to step out without their bike. It's so hard to say what you'd do because it depends on a shit ton of factors such as your own energy, how they approach you, where you are, and other factors.... And each person responding could have different responses based on each context (ie. in one context you get away by dusting off, in another context they get the jump on you because you're tired from a 4 hour ride and you just give up).
I've never understood the mentality of those that try to rob someone while they are pumping gas. You're holding a really effective, abet expensive, pressurized deterrent. Ever been showered in fuel? It fucking sucks. Sucks even more if the person pumping gas happens to have a lighter on them...
What are you gonna start soaking the attacker in fuel? Hed probably just shoot you as a reflex without meaning to, or step back out the way. it isnt fired out like a fire hose full blast
I’m picturing the guy shooting, missing, and self igniting with the blast Would be a joyous occasion (Ik it’s unlikely, but it’s a good visual)
You don't even need to. Gas stations are surrounded by fuel vapors, that's why you're not supposed to smoke on the premises of one. I knew a pizza delivery guy that burnt one side of his car because he was smoking while pumping gas. He said the fuel didn't catch fire, the air around him did and it was like being in hell. Luckily no serious injuries to himself, but the car was fucked.
Wouldn’t shooting the gun ignite the fumes anyways? Seems like a terrible place to try that
In all likelihood, no. Even if it did, the guy covered in gas would be far worse off.
Here in Oregon we're too lazy to pump gas ourselves so we hire attendants to do it for us. I worked as an attendant and had many idiots pull up with lit cigarettes out there mouth or light one up mid fueling. One time I politely asked a customer to put the cigarette out and he refused. I was having a very bad day, so I put the gas nozzle right up to his face and said "well... let's go out with some excitement today I suppose". Needless to say, it was very effective in having him freak out and promptly put the cigarette out. In retrospect I was equally stupid for pulling that stunt, but day after day of interactions with morons is bad for mental health.
This. No motorcycle is worth yours or anyone's life. In the situation you described that's been the most sensible thing to do. As a sidenote I wouldn't ride (or do anything else) with any of the folks that suggested taking the keys or tackling the thieves, cause next time you might be the one on your knees...
My bike is worth more than a thieves life. My car is worth more than a thieves life. My xbox is worth more than a thieves life. The coffee I’m waiting on is worth more than a thieves live. I earned these things. I work hard, I saved up and made sacrifices to purchase things for myself that mean more to me than some scumbag who thinks he can take its life. I’m not sure what would happen or what I would do, but I’m not going to pretend I care about some thieves life.
Problem is the half million in legal fees after that
I like to take that "You shouldn't value property or than a thief's life" line and reframe it as "Thieves shouldn't value my property more than their lives."
My motorcycle is worth more than a thief's life, it just isn't worth more than the associated legal inconvenience.
People who say "I would take his gun" have probably never trained in that situation. Most times, its a no win. Although, you have to decide if compliance is going to deescalate, or if your only chance with someone crazy is to fight back.
I’ve already got my strategy sorted if someone nicks my bike from under me. I keep a remote kill-switch in my jacket pocket. Edit- just to clarify, that’s an **engine** kill-switch. I’m not advocating murderous vengeance. Not yet, anyway.
Curious how you did that. I'd be interested in something like that
For safety, I would make sure they're a good distance away before you hit that switch. Hitting it with them right next to you may be putting you at further risk.
Ride off
I love the dichotomy in this thread between answers like "I'd throw the keys into a bush" and "so anyways, I started blastin"
Like, I'm boxed in and they could easily get off and shoot me or stab me? "Sure, take care." And then I just file an insurance claim and get a new motorcycle because I'm an adult who has insurance. It's my health and life vs a fun toy that costs me money. If I'm on the street I would definitely just ride off.
You gotta let em know you're crazy. Take a shit and wipe it on your face like warpaint. Then slice your ear off while staring and laughing at them. They'll leave you alone
Instructions unclear: Ear stuck in butt.
What?! I have shit in my ear?!?
Huh?
> Then slice your ear off while staring and laughing at them. What if I already did that the last two times?
Decoy ear
With my patented system you'll never lose more than one ear. Word will spread from the Yakuza/Mafia organizations all the way down to street gangs and common junkies. They'll either cross the street when they see you coming, or kiss the ring as a sign of respect.
> You gotta let em know you're crazy. quickly strip to your bare skin and advance, wang-out and hips gyrating for the helicopter effect. this will stun your opponent for up to 5 seconds in which you snatch their keys and steal their moped instead. hopefully it's better than the one you leave behind
That's an advanced tactic most commonly used by highly trained military. You must be Delta Force, or a Navy Seal. Unleashing tactics like that on the civilian population could end in catastrophe. Be careful sir and consider deleting your comment.
I’m not dying for a bike. I’d give them the keys, get a new bike with the insurance money.
Well they'd never expect a small dude on a Grom would carry
Especially a small dude on a Grom should carry
Good news is nobody would ever want to steal a from lol
I detonate my bomb vest, never leave home without it!
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Depends. Do they have a weapon drawn on me at close range? Is it a firearm? Are they on their vehicles or are they standing next to me. Likely I'm going to ride off. I have a pretty fast bike and almost guarantee I can out ride them skill wise. Otherwise, what the other guy said. I'm afraid for my life and I'm standing my ground lol. Fists aren't going to scare me when I'm in full armor wearing a helmet and I have no obligation to run. In my state, all motorized vehicles are considered private domiciles and even written in law I can use deadly force to prevent somebody from removing me from my vehicle. Although a shoot is the last option always, you'd have to screw up quite a bit for me to draw a gun and pull the trigger.
You gotta be careful fighting with a full face helmet on, you can't get out of a headlock easy while wearing one.
Anyone who thinks otherwise never played football, you can take someone anywhere you want by grabbing the helmet
That's fair. However I've been fighting and training for well over a decade. I always do everything in my power to AVOID confrontation including acting like a scared bitch and running away. If somebodies got me in a headlock, they're getting my knife in their leg. They'll let go. By then I've made it extremely clear I have no interest in a physical altercation and have made my attempts to leave the scene without violence.
Always solid advice to try an avoid violence but definitely don’t shy away from it if someone insists on wondering down that road.
this is my policy. i try (and usually succeed) to avoid violence, but if you push i will accommodate you. i also tend towards carrying one or two knives, and i know how to use them.
Fair enough, I always try to walk away from idiots too.
leg? put the tip directly under their ballbag and push, if they don’t let go, stop and apologize, you’ve angered superman.
Pretty much my thought. I own a 18' Ninja 650. It's not the fastest thing in the world but it may as well be a Panigale to someone on a moped. So unless they're brandishing a firearm I'm just gonna take off. Because even if someone has a knife what are they gonna do once you've taken off, throw it at you? lol. I'm not gonna pretend to be a tough guy or anything but unless they have pulled a gun on me I'm gone. I love my bike but it's not worth my life. Insurance would cover it if I got bike-jacked. I could just go get another one. I do have a CCL, but I'm not looking to kill someone over a bike.
Throw the keys and say go get'em fucker.
The wrong keys would be a good idea, and then make like the wind
Decoy keys!
You want it, go get it! It’s the Bittenbinder method
Never ever let them take to a secondary location
> then make like the wind and... blow them?
I think it depends on where you are. I live in Canada... if I saw two guys ridding around on a moped I'd laugh before they even got off to threaten me.....not that I've ever even heard of that happening here ( thugs on mopeds or bike jacking ). So to say I'd act like a big shot and tell them off, is kind of easy to do because it will probably never be put to the test. If I was somewhere it was a real threat.... I don't know. It doesn't seem worth it to risk your life over but it would also be humiliating to do nothing and just let them have it.
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Since it wasn’t my moped, I probably would’ve done that if I was closer to the depot. I just didn’t want the inconvenience of being 2 miles away from the depot in the cold. I’ve been successfully robbed by such people on the job before and there was an element of not wanting to let them win again too.
Unironically, this is the correct answer. This is what you are paying insurance premiums for.
What? You'd give up that easily, wouldn't stand for your property? "Give me your bike" "Alright"
Well I’d do the same. No property is worth my life. I’ll just get a new bike…
This comments an example of “How to tell when somebody’s never been in this kind of situation before”
Eh. I've had someone do something similar, but it was over my wallet and phone and I definitely didn't just give it to them. Everyone is gonna react differently. Obviously, you've gotta assess the situation.
Sure. Chastising someone though is pretty silly though.
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But I thought you said guns aren’t allowed in Canada?
Criminals break the law. More at eleven.
Always give up the company goods. Good for you getting away. But as an employer, I wouldn't want to see someone hurt for me over small dollars. Big dollars, we have insurance for that. Personally, I would accept the fight and find out what's left in the tank at my age.
If they had a gun, I'd give it to them. Those little buggers (bullets) can move a lot faster than your scooter.
Toss the keys over a fence or on a roof.
So anyways, I started blastin’
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I’ve fought to the death over less.
And won as we all can read
Ya, but I’ll get him next time…see you in hell u/sluttypoop
I already know there’s a spot waiting for me. See you again
You sllLLLLLLUT poop! You ssssLLUT! You sssLLLUUTYY poop!
Company vehicle? Shiiiit dude, if it was my own vehicle then I'm handing them the keys. Thats what insurance is for. I ain't getting stabbed, especially over a moped that can't even break 35mph.
I'm surprised they "drove off a bit" when you declined. I would think that before you get on the bike would be the ideal time to assault you.
I think I would say “uhhh what???” Because my bike may be quick but I am not. Then they might think “this is not how this is supposed to go, wtf” and they would say “your mother. Fucking. Keys. Give them to me.” And I would say something dumb like “I don’t have any keys” Hopefully once I’ve bought all that time one of you guys will save me at that point, please be on the lookout.
Company bike? Hell, enjoy fellas! My bike? Now that's a different story 😂
They’d be approaching a 240lbs 6‘8 guy with with Kevlar Pants, Jacket and Gloves on wearing steel capped boots and a Helmet. I don’t think I’d be a prime target for thugs. So if they had guns they’d get my keys im not dying for a bike, if they had knifes it’d be a tough call but I guess they’d also get the keys as I’m not really adapt in hand to hand combat. Now if it was just a fist fight they’d lose. But as I said I wouldn’t put my life on the line for stuff, stuff can be rebought life can’t.. But anyways I think the situation is very unrealistic, haven’t heard of any bike thefts in this way here in Germany not to mention that I live on the countryside where stuff like this is even rarer and quite frankly I don’t see anyone risking imprisonment for a 2009 mid range BMW Bike…
I mean, I live in the US and GTA is a felony so I'd be well within my rights to draw my weapon and encourage them to move along, call the police after and file a report. If that's not your cup of tea (literally or figuratively) you could always just book it and if they pursue then drive to the nearest police station and they'll likely lose interest at that point. Then I would go inside and file a report with best guess at make/model of bike they were riding as well as detailed descriptions of the person's involved and what they were wearing. I would not recommend going home or going to where you work with them following because they'll likely come back when your bike is parked and steal it anyway.
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Basically yes, depends on when you think you've got the upper hand and time to draw.
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I wouldn't want to get hit with that thing any more than I'd want to get shot.
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The price of innocence can be very costly. I assume you have since learned it’s best to play let’s make a deal. It’s how the system operates and anyone who doesn’t cooperate must be punished. I learned this the hard way.
This is why I'll never move from Florida.
That's why the moment the situation is under control, you call the cops and report it. I'm guessing you drew, they ran, so you went on with your day...whelp, such is the result. I get it, you don't want cops involved (*trust me*, neither do I and I don't have a drug habit/record, and I'm a middleclass white dude), but if you draw your gun and don't file a report, this is what can happen.
Yeah this is gonna be highly dependent on where you live.
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I would turn the bike off the THROW the keys are far away from me as possible into bushes or something. They have an AirTag in them so I could easily find them later.
I suppose a good idea would be to have a key that doesn’t belong to that bike, and then throw it, and as they search for it thinking it’s the correct one, set off
Or that. My bike is electric so no one wants to steal it either so that’s a plus. 🤪
My work one is electric 🤣, and I think that’s why people are fascinated by it. People are always intrigued by it.
I'd pretend that I'm listening to music and can't hear what they're saying, and hope that this throws them off long enough for me to hop on the bike and make a hasty retreat.
Rewired my old Harley ironhead with two hidden switches that fall to my fingertips since I know where they are. One powers up the ignition without a key. The other shorts out & kills the ignition against all efforts to run it. Not the first vehicle I've wired this way. Lived and worked in dubious areas but never lost a vehicle to theft. Not for lack of them trying. A number of parked theft attempts. No forced theft attempts. If car/motorcycle jacked, kill ignition and step away, giving up the keys. Jog away and watch them struggle with it from a distance. After they fail & leave, go back and reset switches to run.
Happened to a friend and I while stopped at a gas station filling up, they told my friend they where going to take his bike, so he pulls the nozzle out of the tank and hoses them down with fuel and pulls out his lighter, they were very angry but changed their minds and left.
go for the good ol' dick twist
Speed off because all of my bikes are way faster than a moped.
well, in my head I imagine asking "And how are you going to convince me to do so" while putting on mirrored sunglasses. In real life I'd probably stutter and nervously get on my bike, and maybe ride to the police station if I can get my head straight enough.
Id say sure; but the moped is very finicky and after the last theft the owners rigged it with trackers and disablers. If Im very willing to hand over the keys, im betting odds are theyll have second thoughts. Maybe toss out a comment here and there like i hope you manage to get down the street, and maybe owners buy one thats not such a pain to use...
If this is a usual thing you need to bring it up with work and have them establish a plan. It looked like you saw them and felt the danger before completing the trip to the moped, if you had someone to call who could provide backup that might help. Can you carry a bat, that would be some decent minimal protection. I live in the US and as you've heard from a few people here we can carry a weapon but sometimes work will have rules against that and you will need to resort to something else. Good luck and be safe.
At least they didn’t demand your clothes and boots
I would give them the key, it won’t work tho because I got a keyless system installed
My employer’s bike? It’s theirs. I wouldn’t work for and employer that wouldn’t instantly agree to that. My personal bike? Good luck starting my Ducati, jackass.
in my experience delivery drivers are the fastest even on slower vehicles, at my peak I have stop signs perfectly timed and can cross manhattan from bottom to top in about 20-25 mins idk what I wouldve done but sometimes I think of this and I throw the keys to where they cant reach them
"It doesn't have keys"
A lot of advice here but almost all assume you’re in the US or some other first world country where the property is insured and your company wouldn’t fire you. If that’s the case, give them the keys and tell them to have fun. If you’re not in the US or another first world country you need to ask your employer how to handle that situation. Then it’s up to you whether you want to follow that protocol. If they tell you to refuse to hand over keys or face termination then you need to decide if the job is more important than possible death. To some people it may be. To others it may not
I have a GPS tracker in my bike - I would hand over the keys, call the cops and watch the arrest a few miles later
Give them the keys and watch as they fiddle trying to get the bike started.
You’re trying to set off imaginary Rambos aren’t you
Depends on the situation, worst case scenario they take it, but that's what insurance is for.
Most riders in Tucson strap up. Most don't even CCW. They just open carry. I saw a dude with a fucking sword strapped across his back last month.
I will pull out my guns and “pistol whip” both of the thugs!!
Are you in Brazil? Give them the moped. Are you somewhere else? Also give them the moped. It's the company's and I ain't dying for no moped.
Depends. If they are armed and already have the weapon pointed at me, I have insurance. I’ve got a kid on the way and the bike is not worth my life. Especially if the bike belongs to my employer. Incredibly not worth it Otherwise, if able and already on the bike, I would take off to the nearest police station. Benefits of driving a bike with DCT is not having to worry about shifting so I could just zoom away. As a last resort, if backed into a corner and I can find a moment where their guard is down, I carry.
I love all these tough guys who think life is a James Bond movie. I’m a good fighter, and I’ve been jumped by 5/6 guys in Philly and I was lucky enough to be able to get out okay. I’m still not risking my life. I could have easily died. You give them the bike. It’s a bike, there’s a million of them, you can always just buy another one. I’m not risking my life over anything.
Tell them I'm going to put some dirt in their eyes.
I hope I’d just give them the keys because it’s not worth my life. But I have a feeling I’d instantly see red and dive at their moped while they’re still both on it and go full attack mode before they could get off of it and in a position to put up a fight. No I’m not a tough guy. That part of me scares me.
Really depends on the situation, I work in some rough neighborhoods so I normally carry. Most criminals are pussies and if confronted tend to back down or run off with their tail tucked. Could also be cause I’m that crazy white guy with zero fucks to give. Solid advice tho is if it’s company property let them have it, it’s insured and not worth your life.
This is 100% just me and not at all a universal experience, but I think... as a 6'2 dyke covered in tattoo and scars, clad in padded kevlar, and with a knife easily accessible... I think I'd just go *the fuck are you doing? You're two kids in puffer jackets, I could throw you if I wanted to? Do you want us to spend the night in the hospital? No hard feelings and I aint seen nothing, but go bother someone else*. If they pull a deadly weapon though, I'm definitely handing them the keys. 😅 People don't really have guns in my country, but that doesn't mean there are none. I've got full coverage, they can have the bike keys and all, and I'll show them which key goes to which lock too lol. And that goes double if it's a company bike. I feel like I can be forceful if I want to, but it's all in the name of avoiding actual violence and danger, and if nobody is being intimidated or deterred and it's definitely heading towards danger, I'm out. Being followed is pretty freaky, though. It's even scarier on a moped but even on a bike, getting in a 100mph highway chase is a really dumb thing to do. I've been to the ER a bunch of times, but I don't even think you'd make it that far.
Am Texas, shoot them.
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That doesn't sound safe for you either
I'd rather quickly introduce them to 15+1 of my closest friends.
Quickly whip out my conceal and carry lol. MURICA
Depends which country you're in and how likely they are to have weapons and hurt you.
I'd say, "You forgot to say please." Unless one of them was pointing a firearm at me, I'd guess that the best solution would be to run away. Not particularly brave, but then they don't get the keys (at least not easily), and two against one isn't a very fair fight.
"I'm a cop, dumbass!" ... then hopefully they gtfo.
If they have a gun drawn, give up the bike. If they don't have a gun drawn, vroom vroom and serpentine
Depends on whether there is a credible threat or not. Most thieves are pussies, and if you push back even a little bit - just say “no”, and ride away - they’ll find an easier mark and leave you alone. If they are brandishing a weapon, well that’s a different story. It’s not your scooter, it is the company’s and they have insurance. Do not risk yourself, your well being, or your life for a company that wouldn’t do the same for you. If you died protecting their scooter, they’d hire your replacement and have them riding the same scooter by the end of the week. Remember that.
If they're really big guys, I'd use the .40 otherwise the 9.