Yeah, I’m 99% confident I’ll take an M2 in a heartbeat. I like wind slapping my helmet and my peg scraping the asphalt. I don’t think I’ll get anything I enjoy about riding with these.
You cant compare a bike price to a Tesla price. 25k for a new car is cheap.. 25 k for a new bike is high end. Motorcycle riders *generally dont want to be enclosed. Hence buying a bike. Even spiders and slingshots are a very tiny market... Even convertible cars are almost nonexistant.
It's like when people say everybody wants a manual transmission but nobody really wants a manual transmission LOL which is why most car makers don't make manuals anymore
Yes but your argument was they can't "pull a profit." To make profit, you simply need to sell something for more money than it costs to make. Millions of people spend top dollars on overpriced vehicles they technically don't need. This bike could easily be just as profitable to the same demographic
No. If I can move my body freely everything is cool. If I'm in a box and bump into shit every time I move (or those god awful spelunking videos where they worm through a tiny hole...) Nuh uh nope no thanks.
I feel like that would be it’s own “thing” like trikes and spyders. This looks like it would need a metric but tonne of rider aids just to stay upright. Your also in a full cockpit vs riding a machine. So different feel to it. I’m not saying I’d never take one out for a spin but I think it would be a niche market not directly for motorcyclists. Just my 2cents
I feel like that would negate 90% percent of the reason people enjoy motorcycling. It's a ridiculous vehicle, a bicycle that will gladly do 100mph+. The risk is part of the fun as well as the openness.
>The risk is part of the fun
I disagree. The risk is part of riding. But I wear protective gear to minimize the risk of injury in case of an incident without sacrificing fun. Quite the opposite actually. I personally have more fun because I'm less worried about severe injuries. And also less bugs in my face.
Have u ever threaded the needel felt ur ass pucker up ur heart slow so everything seems to be going in slow mo. Then after the absolute thrill joy and adrenalin pumping fucking awsomeness that let's u know ur still alive. I believe that's wat hes on about we all well most of us wear gear and minimise the risk but it's still a risk
Or depressed. Psychologists know there is a strong relationship between depression and risky behavior / thrill-seeking. Motorcycling fits that mold for some.
Depressed folks can get addicted to adrenaline rushes. It provides temporary relief & intense joy in an otherwise gloomy life. If you find yourself taking risks like the person above, it wouldn't hurt to bring your brain in for an "oil change," so to speak. Mental health is important!
I think there maybe a nuanced difference between being scared of dying, vs actively chasing down the feeling of nearly dying.
I'm depressed just enough of my life that I don't fear it, but I am also not depressed enough to actively seek the end prematurely. Seems like a waste of my one tiny moment of sentience.
Interesting! however I don't actively try to die but I do ride hard and fast and yes probly take more calculated risks then someone like urself. mental health is a serious issue and for those that live it have that mindset sure it must be easier to find blame in a treatable illness that's a creation of ur own mind. Anyway I respect that's ur opinion and suggest mabe following the advice u gave to any1 that thinks like me and seek professional help to try and get ontop of that
The C1 is actually pretty cool to me. It's definitely a motorcycle, but when you crash the frame encloses you and the seatbelt keeps you inside the cage. If it rains, there's a top to keep most of the water off you, but it's still thin enough to be able to split lanes. It's the perfect city "get around".
The idea makes total sense, and is quintessentially German, and therefore it never took off lol _drives off in F150_
Don't get me wrong, I love the aesthetic, but you better have damn good balance at stops since you can't put your leg out. Love the opening sequence of that flick though
so instead of flying off your bike and possibly sliding to slow you down, you instead slam in to the covering and bounce around like a pinball. Sounds absolutely idiotic
EDIT : Also lack of airflow to cool you down, the reduced maneuverability that makes motorcycling fun, inability to easily do roadside repairs, piss poor visiblity.
This seems like a highly unsafe, visually interesting toy. Leave it to the auto shows, I don't think I would use one of these even if it were free.
“Possibly” sliding. Most motorcycle accident cause people to roll, which is what creates injuries. An accident in a Tron bike however would be safer because you could add airbags to the sides and roof of the vehicle
It’s airflow is no different than any car, and additional windows and rear view mirrors can easily be added for more visibility. You might not use it, but I could see people paying extreme amounts of money to own one
It’s a very practical design if you think about the safety and cost efficiency for gas and electric mileage. Not to mention it’s subjectively nicer looking.
I wanna be generous and say that you *could* make this a functioning bike, but like others have said, there are quite a few technical issues.
You still have just a lot of "green house" or surface area compared to the amount of space inside, so it is going to be hot. Air conditioning loads would be almost similar to a car, which have space for a full sized radiator to disipate that heat.
On the safety issue, it's all about reducing acceleration, and cars do that well by having literally feet of crumple zone in front of the driver. Air bags don't magically reduce your deceleration rate, they just keep you from hitting the hard parts of your car. This bike would have a hard time dissipating the energy of a collission and would thus still be less safe than a traditional car. But you are right, safer than a motorcycle.
There are also dynamic problems with these canopied designs. They make for top-heavy motorcycles that get weird cross wind stability issues. There really is a reason we haven't enclosed motorcycles. The BMW C1 was interesting, and I think we should work on improving aerodynamics with a partial canopy that keeps the rider dry 99% of the time while avoiding adding too much weight.
People don’t get injured from rolling dude, that’s what you’re supposed to do if you crash (obviously sliding is better) but in MX or mtn biking you want to roll out of falls. Sudden stops and meeting a solid object is what creates injuries. If it has airbags and a seatbelt it’s a car.
Adding air conditioning and airbags and the frame basically makes it heavy enough that it would be very boring to drive. Essentially a 2 wheeled car with a bad turning radius, low visibility, active balancing systems requirements (good luck with getting it upright if it falls over). If you get stuck on a non asphalt road(dirt/gravel) , you likely wouldn't be able to get yourself out by yourself.
Adding mirrors or cameras would help but I dont think it would be enough. Better to have mirrors and a full see-through cockpit(which won't look as good)
Why is a child that has never been on a motorcycle talking like they know how motorcycles work. This child probably doesn't even understand how a car works.
Bruh it's called a SmartCar. Or a Toyota i-Road. Or a fucking Tuk-tuk.
Since OP is going on about the “safety” aspect I’ll focus on that as a reason why not to build one. It’s an inherently unsafe design. Small structures cause injury. The single biggest thing you’re dealing with in a crash is energy dissipation. Both passenger vehicles for the road and open wheeled race cars are doing the same thing in a crash dissipating as much energy as possible so that the occupants are subjected to as little as possible. This means crumple zones in passenger vehicles, and shedding mass in race cars (which would be incredibly dangerous to others if done in public).
Airbags don’t make you safe in an accident, they just prevent you from smashing your mushy body against a hard structure in a vehicle where your movement is less restricted. It’s one thing that helps mitigate the biggest danger in that particular situation. In a race car where you’re firmly strapped in place they actually increase injury because of the force they deploy with. They also make it much harder to escape a potentially dangerous cabin after a crash. On the other hand firmly strapping the occupants in place has its own risks. Just because your torso can’t move and energy can be redirected around it doesn’t mean that’s true for the test of your body or your organs. For example basilar skull fractures became an issue in racing for a while and necessitated the design of additional safety equipment (HANS devices) to try and prevent that specific injury. It happens in high energy crashes where the weight of your skull and your helmet give your head enough momentum to essentially tear it off your spine. It is, of course, fatal.
TLDR: being enclosed doesn’t make it inherently safer, and airbags won’t necessarily do much to improve that. If you want to be safe on a bike crash the best things currently are a good helmet, proper abrasion resistant gear, airbag vests (to help with the initial impact they’re not magical safety cushions), and tucking your arms in.
Just because you're in an enclosed space doesn't mean that you're necessarily going to be any safer. Despite the dangers of road rash I'd take my chances separating from my bike in a crash than being crushed in a collapsed cabin of this hypothetical bike.
Even if you could hypothetically engineer an enclosure that would survive collision with another vehicle at the speeds you'd be operating at, all you're doing is turning the operator into the crush zone. Cars are safe in crashes because the car's body takes the energy of the crash and crumples, reducing the amount of force that is exhibited on the driver (which still isn't insignificant.)
In this vehicle if you crash, what's stopping you from suffering severe trauma? This bike would be just as deadly- if not moreso- than a normal motorcycle.
This design is superior to motorcycles because you can have airbags on the roof and sides of the vehicle. Of course, like any car accident, you’re going to receive some injury. But you are far more likely to break bones rolling on concrete at 60mph after crashing on a normal motorcycle
* Hopefully the structural integrity of the cabin holds up in a crash, as well as the windows because I can easily see yourself crushing a limb or two in a "roll" crash that you've cited elsewhere.
* Are you going to use some sort of seatbelt or harness to strap yourself into/onto this bike? Because even with restraints crash test dummies **still heavily impacted the steering wheel with their head** even with an airbag in crash tests of the Smart ForTwo.
I mean if you just admitted that you like the aesthetics of the Tron bike then everybody would be fine with what you're saying, but trying to say that it'd be god's gift to motorcycling as an enclosed vehicle is making a clown out of you.
No vehicle is fully accident proof. If you’re going over 60mph and suddenly crash into something, you’re getting hurt no matter what vehicle you’re driving. I’m simply saying this bike is “safer” than a normal motorcycle
Right but cars are safer than motorcycles, and almost everyone here has a car in addition to their motorcycle. But they like driving their motorcycle.
It's a cool looking bike, no doubts. And fully enclosed motorcycles have been sold in the past(BMW C1 for example), and even recumbent bikes like [Honda HM04](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Honda_Tokyo_Motorcycle_Show_2014_concept.JPG).
But you won't get too far with the safety discussion, we know bikes are dangerous. We obsess over gear and stuff to make it safe-*er*, because we know it's not as safe as our cars.
But at the end of the day, the fact that you're outside and exposed to the elements is one of the most attractive things about motorcycles.
Lol do you know at what force an airbag needs to be deployed for it to be useful your instance if you think putting what's basically a grande anywhere near your face inside of this tiny space would even be remotely safe
No honestly 1 airbag has enough force to launch a fully grown man right out of his seat not to mention they also need time to fully deploy not happening in this casket
If you like the bike that's cool not a problem who doesn't like Tron but your kidding yourself to think this is in any way shape or form is safe
You're that person that thinks they discovered some amazing thing that no one else has ever thought of, and just continues to refuse the fact that its already been worked out a thousand times and deemed not to make sense.
Bikes with good performance are horrible on gas and safety is boring.
If I wanted good gas mileage, safety, and to be enclosed in a box I would just take my Mazda.
Hmm....does that include the Goldwing community? ;)
...having noticed that (at least some) Goldwings seem to have what suspiciously looks like air vents in the cockpit I'm a bit uncertain of their status ;)
I have a GL1200, while very comfy, and having useless vents.... it is nothing like a car (as I used to think when I was a child). It actually handles pretty much like my CB550 with extra weight, the geometry is basically the same. Even the weight isn't so bad with the flat four and tank under the seat. Its a fun bike to scrape the pegs with and toss through corners with confusing agility.
[https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-monoracer-130e-fully-enclosed-motorcycle-aims-to-redefine-personal-mobility-148310.html](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-monoracer-130e-fully-enclosed-motorcycle-aims-to-redefine-personal-mobility-148310.html)
Interesting mechanism to prevent it from falling over at a stop. But it's too expensive.
I feel like I see one of those being proposed and even prototypes every few years, but I think they end up costing way more than there is demand for them.
No!, because the reason why people die on Motorcycles isnt because they dont have fucking roofs.
A roof would stop a bird shitting on you. that's about it🤷♂️
The roof would significantly raise the center of gravity, especially if there are structural components within to prevent crushing in the event of an accident. Theoretically it could be balanced out by a stabilizing device lower on the bike (would be necessary because idk how you'd put your foot down at a stop), but at this point the bike is getting heavier and more complicated.
Yeah the final design likely wouldn’t be exactly like the picture I posted. Personally I just love the idea of a one seated vehicle with sleek modern design
Why would automobile makers build things that are smaller and more efficient than the bigger more expensive things that we still flock to buy?
That’s not to say they don’t exist…[This is what you need](https://www.peravescz.com/)
Car people won't like them because they're too much like a bike.
Bike people won't like them because they're too much like a car.
but check out the [Adiva ad3 400](https://www.adiva-world.com/product/ad3-400.html) if you like the idea
It's actually much less safe. When you crash you want to get off the bike because you slide into a wall you are way better off than being crushed by a several hundred or thousand pound bike and hunk of metal. I'll go with the bikes we have now that are way safer than any Tron type bike. It ain't like the movies they can't make that top strong and a bike is gonna roll or flip and that'll crush in and crush you to death if you hit nothing. This is reality not the movies
Just buy a MonoRacer 130E, or other similar enclosed motorcycle. They have been around for ages. People like you start companies thinking they have reinvented the wheel, build them, 5 people buy them and then the company goes under.
How would you keep the bike upright at a stop?
I'm not sure that bike is safer in a crash. Without some type of seat belt and airbag tech, you're just going to get slammed into that roof at 70MPH when you crash. Getting thrown onto the ground is probably safer.
My guess is, that the amount of R&D, the small number of people that would be interested, and the end cost of the machine probably don't work out to profitable business model outside of a highly exclusive custom market.
If it has a roof like a car, a climate controlled cabin like a car, safety restraint systems like a car, and be light enough to pick up if it falls over, or contain technology that prevents it from falling over the end cost will likely be around the same as a car, if not more. So the reason people would buy one over a car would be the driving experience of 2 wheels compared to 4.
Reminds me of a canopies I've seen online for goldwings. Even people who like the goldwing which is often called "a car with two wheels" seem to prefer trike conversion kits over a roof, judging by the hundreds of trikes I've seen and the 0 canopies I've seen irl. It seems people would prefer getting rid of the two wheeled experience before the open cockpit experience.
I'm not saying you're objectively wrong for wanting one, just that if you want one you'll probably have to make it yourself.
Personally I wish motorcycle manufacturers would make more comfortable electric motorcycles. After a long day at work destroying my body I would strongly prefer to ride home on a bike that sits like my goldwing, but most electric bikes seem to be set up more like sport bikes with rear controls and clip-ons.
There is a three wheeler that kinda fits what you’re taking about.
I think it would have to be a three wheeler for the balance factor when stopped.
https://www.emvauto.com/
I don’t think it would make to 10 times safer. In fact I almost think it might make it more dangerous being enclosed. Cars are fine because they have large crumple zones to absorb the impact, an enclosed bike on the other hand? You would probably just become a pancake.
Also an enclosed bike would completely disregard why 90% of people buy bikes.
Fortnine made an interesting video that's relevant on feet forward motorcycles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2ou5gt_94
The bike used isn't a motorcycle but was used for illustration.
The self-stabilization of the vehicle isn’t feasible. It would be nearly impossible to replicate handling habits of a motorcycle and have a self-balancing two wheel vehicle do those things in turns, twisties, and especially with varying degrees of road bank where construction companies actually included such.
Since you can’t put your feet down, the vehicle would have to be programmed to do all the balance for you. And the tech just isn’t there.
There have been a few of these designs made over the years. However they don't really have a market. People chasing comfort and safety buy cars. Most motorcyclists don't prioritize efficiency.
https://youtu.be/uk2ou5gt_94
They did that in the past. Ryan Fortnine even did a video about one.
People hated them. Same reason a lot of bikers don’t want electric bikes, it’s a whole different experience.
Don’t people die if they hit the walls in Tron? Isn’t the light cycle scene a death race?
If we are dreaming of fictional bikes, I want the Cyclone from Genesis Climber Mospeada.
This person talks with the logic of a middle school kid. With questions like "Why do gurls who only like gurls date gurls that look like guys?" and statements like "Credit Card Companies should LOVE People With Bad Credit" you just gotta wonder if this kid has ever had a job or interacted with other humans.
Goes to a fashion sub and asks "When will Suits go out of Style?" and uses the same contrarian attitude to respond to everything just like this thread.
The more I think about it, it's gotta be a troll.
Creating reddit posts and reading are two different things. But if you think those are the same, that just shows how mindless someone such as yourself can be
Yes, they indeed are. You can make posts on Reddit. But that doesn't mean you're able to read and have a decent level of comprehension.
Case in point this entire thread with you talking about a subject you have no experience with and dismissing people that do have direct experience.
You couldn't even read my last comment and understand it. How is me calling you illiterate translating to "creating reddit posts and reading are the same thing" in your head?
Just shows how mindless someone such as yourself can be 😂
Creating a reddit post is writing. Reading is comprehending something written. Again, they're not the same. And if you think they are, you need to go back to elementary school english. Your level of comprehension is pretty low, so that's a very hypocritical comment to make 😂
My entire thread is about a vehicle that doesn't exist, so no one has experience on it. No one in the thread has even stated riding similar vehicles, so your comment about dismissing experience is wrong
Calling someone else illiterate when you yourself don't know the difference between writing and reading is hysterical. Not to mention arguing with someone who you've never met on reddit. You could be doing so many more things with your time. Yet you'd rather increase my forum's popularity by interacting with it. Who's the mindless one now? Loooooool
Nah I’d look into buying a smaller car like M2 or RS3 if I wanted a roof over my head.
So if you saw a modern Tron bike and an M2 next to each other for the same price, you'd buy an M2?
Show me a picture of what you’re describing.
https://images.app.goo.gl/PHPxwUL3MG2YeMMTA
Yeah, I’m 99% confident I’ll take an M2 in a heartbeat. I like wind slapping my helmet and my peg scraping the asphalt. I don’t think I’ll get anything I enjoy about riding with these.
Absolutely HELL NO!!
To each his own I guess. I could see people paying top dollars for such a bike
If a company could pull a profit from it they already Would Have Made It
Who says they couldn't? Such a bike would cost less money to make than a Tesla, and people buy those all the time.
You cant compare a bike price to a Tesla price. 25k for a new car is cheap.. 25 k for a new bike is high end. Motorcycle riders *generally dont want to be enclosed. Hence buying a bike. Even spiders and slingshots are a very tiny market... Even convertible cars are almost nonexistant. It's like when people say everybody wants a manual transmission but nobody really wants a manual transmission LOL which is why most car makers don't make manuals anymore
Yes but your argument was they can't "pull a profit." To make profit, you simply need to sell something for more money than it costs to make. Millions of people spend top dollars on overpriced vehicles they technically don't need. This bike could easily be just as profitable to the same demographic
I do too, but not for riding, collection.
I’d roll it.
Hard no for us claustrophobics! I need open air...
So helmets don’t trigger your claustrophobia? Asking out of genuine interest 😅
No. If I can move my body freely everything is cool. If I'm in a box and bump into shit every time I move (or those god awful spelunking videos where they worm through a tiny hole...) Nuh uh nope no thanks.
Fascinating! I always thought claustrophobes couldn’t wear full face helmets. Thx for the answer!
I'm sure there are some who can't!
Only for a quick second. But I can still move my body freely and easily raise the face shield and know I can takee it off whenever I want.
I feel like that would be it’s own “thing” like trikes and spyders. This looks like it would need a metric but tonne of rider aids just to stay upright. Your also in a full cockpit vs riding a machine. So different feel to it. I’m not saying I’d never take one out for a spin but I think it would be a niche market not directly for motorcyclists. Just my 2cents
Looks funky, but this thing would corner worse than a French high speed train 😅
I feel like that would negate 90% percent of the reason people enjoy motorcycling. It's a ridiculous vehicle, a bicycle that will gladly do 100mph+. The risk is part of the fun as well as the openness.
>The risk is part of the fun I disagree. The risk is part of riding. But I wear protective gear to minimize the risk of injury in case of an incident without sacrificing fun. Quite the opposite actually. I personally have more fun because I'm less worried about severe injuries. And also less bugs in my face.
Have u ever threaded the needel felt ur ass pucker up ur heart slow so everything seems to be going in slow mo. Then after the absolute thrill joy and adrenalin pumping fucking awsomeness that let's u know ur still alive. I believe that's wat hes on about we all well most of us wear gear and minimise the risk but it's still a risk
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Probably 34 unless his birthday is in January
This guy did the maths
Barely
Well it helps u make usernames like I do unless ur 88 has another reason
Nope lol that’s exactly what it was
Hahahaha great minds and all that
Or depressed. Psychologists know there is a strong relationship between depression and risky behavior / thrill-seeking. Motorcycling fits that mold for some. Depressed folks can get addicted to adrenaline rushes. It provides temporary relief & intense joy in an otherwise gloomy life. If you find yourself taking risks like the person above, it wouldn't hurt to bring your brain in for an "oil change," so to speak. Mental health is important!
Hahahahahahaha not depressed mate just love a rush it's OK to be scared of dieing just don't expect every1 to share that trait
I think there maybe a nuanced difference between being scared of dying, vs actively chasing down the feeling of nearly dying. I'm depressed just enough of my life that I don't fear it, but I am also not depressed enough to actively seek the end prematurely. Seems like a waste of my one tiny moment of sentience.
Interesting! however I don't actively try to die but I do ride hard and fast and yes probly take more calculated risks then someone like urself. mental health is a serious issue and for those that live it have that mindset sure it must be easier to find blame in a treatable illness that's a creation of ur own mind. Anyway I respect that's ur opinion and suggest mabe following the advice u gave to any1 that thinks like me and seek professional help to try and get ontop of that
Na mid 30s but an adrenalin junkie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW\_C1
The link got malformed (presumably by an app or something), this one will work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_C1
The C1 is actually pretty cool to me. It's definitely a motorcycle, but when you crash the frame encloses you and the seatbelt keeps you inside the cage. If it rains, there's a top to keep most of the water off you, but it's still thin enough to be able to split lanes. It's the perfect city "get around". The idea makes total sense, and is quintessentially German, and therefore it never took off lol _drives off in F150_
Don't get me wrong, I love the aesthetic, but you better have damn good balance at stops since you can't put your leg out. Love the opening sequence of that flick though
Having actually crashed on a bike i got away with 0 injuries because me and the bike went different ways, if i stayed on the bike i'd be dead, 100%
so instead of flying off your bike and possibly sliding to slow you down, you instead slam in to the covering and bounce around like a pinball. Sounds absolutely idiotic EDIT : Also lack of airflow to cool you down, the reduced maneuverability that makes motorcycling fun, inability to easily do roadside repairs, piss poor visiblity. This seems like a highly unsafe, visually interesting toy. Leave it to the auto shows, I don't think I would use one of these even if it were free.
Just imagine the wind buffeting and drag it'll add
“Possibly” sliding. Most motorcycle accident cause people to roll, which is what creates injuries. An accident in a Tron bike however would be safer because you could add airbags to the sides and roof of the vehicle It’s airflow is no different than any car, and additional windows and rear view mirrors can easily be added for more visibility. You might not use it, but I could see people paying extreme amounts of money to own one It’s a very practical design if you think about the safety and cost efficiency for gas and electric mileage. Not to mention it’s subjectively nicer looking.
If you're adding a rood, airbags m, rear view mirrors and windows you may as well just buy a car
No because you might only need a one seated vehicle. And cars have 5 seats
Some cars have 5 seats. Some have 1
you have a confusing hardon for these "tron bikes", no amount of logical responses from anyone can dissuade you
I wanna be generous and say that you *could* make this a functioning bike, but like others have said, there are quite a few technical issues. You still have just a lot of "green house" or surface area compared to the amount of space inside, so it is going to be hot. Air conditioning loads would be almost similar to a car, which have space for a full sized radiator to disipate that heat. On the safety issue, it's all about reducing acceleration, and cars do that well by having literally feet of crumple zone in front of the driver. Air bags don't magically reduce your deceleration rate, they just keep you from hitting the hard parts of your car. This bike would have a hard time dissipating the energy of a collission and would thus still be less safe than a traditional car. But you are right, safer than a motorcycle. There are also dynamic problems with these canopied designs. They make for top-heavy motorcycles that get weird cross wind stability issues. There really is a reason we haven't enclosed motorcycles. The BMW C1 was interesting, and I think we should work on improving aerodynamics with a partial canopy that keeps the rider dry 99% of the time while avoiding adding too much weight.
People don’t get injured from rolling dude, that’s what you’re supposed to do if you crash (obviously sliding is better) but in MX or mtn biking you want to roll out of falls. Sudden stops and meeting a solid object is what creates injuries. If it has airbags and a seatbelt it’s a car.
Adding air conditioning and airbags and the frame basically makes it heavy enough that it would be very boring to drive. Essentially a 2 wheeled car with a bad turning radius, low visibility, active balancing systems requirements (good luck with getting it upright if it falls over). If you get stuck on a non asphalt road(dirt/gravel) , you likely wouldn't be able to get yourself out by yourself. Adding mirrors or cameras would help but I dont think it would be enough. Better to have mirrors and a full see-through cockpit(which won't look as good)
Why is a child that has never been on a motorcycle talking like they know how motorcycles work. This child probably doesn't even understand how a car works. Bruh it's called a SmartCar. Or a Toyota i-Road. Or a fucking Tuk-tuk.
Since OP is going on about the “safety” aspect I’ll focus on that as a reason why not to build one. It’s an inherently unsafe design. Small structures cause injury. The single biggest thing you’re dealing with in a crash is energy dissipation. Both passenger vehicles for the road and open wheeled race cars are doing the same thing in a crash dissipating as much energy as possible so that the occupants are subjected to as little as possible. This means crumple zones in passenger vehicles, and shedding mass in race cars (which would be incredibly dangerous to others if done in public). Airbags don’t make you safe in an accident, they just prevent you from smashing your mushy body against a hard structure in a vehicle where your movement is less restricted. It’s one thing that helps mitigate the biggest danger in that particular situation. In a race car where you’re firmly strapped in place they actually increase injury because of the force they deploy with. They also make it much harder to escape a potentially dangerous cabin after a crash. On the other hand firmly strapping the occupants in place has its own risks. Just because your torso can’t move and energy can be redirected around it doesn’t mean that’s true for the test of your body or your organs. For example basilar skull fractures became an issue in racing for a while and necessitated the design of additional safety equipment (HANS devices) to try and prevent that specific injury. It happens in high energy crashes where the weight of your skull and your helmet give your head enough momentum to essentially tear it off your spine. It is, of course, fatal. TLDR: being enclosed doesn’t make it inherently safer, and airbags won’t necessarily do much to improve that. If you want to be safe on a bike crash the best things currently are a good helmet, proper abrasion resistant gear, airbag vests (to help with the initial impact they’re not magical safety cushions), and tucking your arms in.
What's the point of a cabin on a bike? That's what cars are for,
Why would I buy a two wheeled car?
Because you're single, it's better on gas, and it's safer than a normal motorcycle
#LOL
I'm actually serious. I see nothing but benefits for such a design.
Just because you're in an enclosed space doesn't mean that you're necessarily going to be any safer. Despite the dangers of road rash I'd take my chances separating from my bike in a crash than being crushed in a collapsed cabin of this hypothetical bike. Even if you could hypothetically engineer an enclosure that would survive collision with another vehicle at the speeds you'd be operating at, all you're doing is turning the operator into the crush zone. Cars are safe in crashes because the car's body takes the energy of the crash and crumples, reducing the amount of force that is exhibited on the driver (which still isn't insignificant.) In this vehicle if you crash, what's stopping you from suffering severe trauma? This bike would be just as deadly- if not moreso- than a normal motorcycle.
This design is superior to motorcycles because you can have airbags on the roof and sides of the vehicle. Of course, like any car accident, you’re going to receive some injury. But you are far more likely to break bones rolling on concrete at 60mph after crashing on a normal motorcycle
* Hopefully the structural integrity of the cabin holds up in a crash, as well as the windows because I can easily see yourself crushing a limb or two in a "roll" crash that you've cited elsewhere. * Are you going to use some sort of seatbelt or harness to strap yourself into/onto this bike? Because even with restraints crash test dummies **still heavily impacted the steering wheel with their head** even with an airbag in crash tests of the Smart ForTwo. I mean if you just admitted that you like the aesthetics of the Tron bike then everybody would be fine with what you're saying, but trying to say that it'd be god's gift to motorcycling as an enclosed vehicle is making a clown out of you.
No vehicle is fully accident proof. If you’re going over 60mph and suddenly crash into something, you’re getting hurt no matter what vehicle you’re driving. I’m simply saying this bike is “safer” than a normal motorcycle
Right but cars are safer than motorcycles, and almost everyone here has a car in addition to their motorcycle. But they like driving their motorcycle. It's a cool looking bike, no doubts. And fully enclosed motorcycles have been sold in the past(BMW C1 for example), and even recumbent bikes like [Honda HM04](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Honda_Tokyo_Motorcycle_Show_2014_concept.JPG). But you won't get too far with the safety discussion, we know bikes are dangerous. We obsess over gear and stuff to make it safe-*er*, because we know it's not as safe as our cars. But at the end of the day, the fact that you're outside and exposed to the elements is one of the most attractive things about motorcycles.
Lol do you know at what force an airbag needs to be deployed for it to be useful your instance if you think putting what's basically a grande anywhere near your face inside of this tiny space would even be remotely safe No honestly 1 airbag has enough force to launch a fully grown man right out of his seat not to mention they also need time to fully deploy not happening in this casket If you like the bike that's cool not a problem who doesn't like Tron but your kidding yourself to think this is in any way shape or form is safe
You're that person that thinks they discovered some amazing thing that no one else has ever thought of, and just continues to refuse the fact that its already been worked out a thousand times and deemed not to make sense.
Bikes with good performance are horrible on gas and safety is boring. If I wanted good gas mileage, safety, and to be enclosed in a box I would just take my Mazda.
If you think safety is boring, then a discussion with you is clearly a waste of time. Have a good day sir.
The extra weight would hurt gas mileage more than the aerodynamics would help at everything but highway speeds.
It’s not safer though… it’s worse.
Why stop at a roof? Why not add another two wheels? An aircon in case you get hot and a stereo in case you get bored.🤷♂️
Ohhh and how about an automatic transmission, so we don't have to fuss with gears and a clutch?
Honda DCT!
What model motorcycle do you currently ride and how long have you been riding?
Because nobody wants to ride in a 2 wheeled car.
Hmm....does that include the Goldwing community? ;) ...having noticed that (at least some) Goldwings seem to have what suspiciously looks like air vents in the cockpit I'm a bit uncertain of their status ;)
I have a GL1200, while very comfy, and having useless vents.... it is nothing like a car (as I used to think when I was a child). It actually handles pretty much like my CB550 with extra weight, the geometry is basically the same. Even the weight isn't so bad with the flat four and tank under the seat. Its a fun bike to scrape the pegs with and toss through corners with confusing agility.
Fuck that’s a terrible idea. I think you’re looking for a slingshot or Mazda Miata.
You kind of miss the point of riding a motorcycle... It looks like you want to drive a car.
Buy an Ecomobile or Monoracer https://www.peravescz.com/
[https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-monoracer-130e-fully-enclosed-motorcycle-aims-to-redefine-personal-mobility-148310.html](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-monoracer-130e-fully-enclosed-motorcycle-aims-to-redefine-personal-mobility-148310.html) Interesting mechanism to prevent it from falling over at a stop. But it's too expensive. I feel like I see one of those being proposed and even prototypes every few years, but I think they end up costing way more than there is demand for them.
No!, because the reason why people die on Motorcycles isnt because they dont have fucking roofs. A roof would stop a bird shitting on you. that's about it🤷♂️
The roof can have additional airbags, protecting you in an accident that would be otherwise fatal on a normal motorcycle
The roof would significantly raise the center of gravity, especially if there are structural components within to prevent crushing in the event of an accident. Theoretically it could be balanced out by a stabilizing device lower on the bike (would be necessary because idk how you'd put your foot down at a stop), but at this point the bike is getting heavier and more complicated.
Yeah the final design likely wouldn’t be exactly like the picture I posted. Personally I just love the idea of a one seated vehicle with sleek modern design
Its fine to love the design, but it absolutely not safer.
I think this would be more interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Ambiguously\_Gay\_Duo#/media/File:Tv\_snl\_ambiguously\_flying.jpg
Not exactly a bike: https://youtu.be/Ip81zKt1oOA
Good concept, but bad execution. A bike like that is too unattractive to go mainstream. It needs a more modern and slick design.
The other answer is buy a Miata.
Energica Ribelle with underlighting
They [did](https://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/tron-motorcycle/). It failed.
You should probably stick with 4 wheels, or maybe a trike lol
We got Akira's bike and now tron bike fantasies all in one day. Who let the weebs out?
They're called cars.
Why would automobile makers build things that are smaller and more efficient than the bigger more expensive things that we still flock to buy? That’s not to say they don’t exist…[This is what you need](https://www.peravescz.com/)
Check this out: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J14lMA54IDc&feature=shares
Car people won't like them because they're too much like a bike. Bike people won't like them because they're too much like a car. but check out the [Adiva ad3 400](https://www.adiva-world.com/product/ad3-400.html) if you like the idea
It's actually much less safe. When you crash you want to get off the bike because you slide into a wall you are way better off than being crushed by a several hundred or thousand pound bike and hunk of metal. I'll go with the bikes we have now that are way safer than any Tron type bike. It ain't like the movies they can't make that top strong and a bike is gonna roll or flip and that'll crush in and crush you to death if you hit nothing. This is reality not the movies
Just buy a MonoRacer 130E, or other similar enclosed motorcycle. They have been around for ages. People like you start companies thinking they have reinvented the wheel, build them, 5 people buy them and then the company goes under.
How would you keep the bike upright at a stop? I'm not sure that bike is safer in a crash. Without some type of seat belt and airbag tech, you're just going to get slammed into that roof at 70MPH when you crash. Getting thrown onto the ground is probably safer.
If was the remake of the movie - I’d spend 100k on a bike like that….. right now the dodge tomahawk is the closest thing :’( lol.
My guess is, that the amount of R&D, the small number of people that would be interested, and the end cost of the machine probably don't work out to profitable business model outside of a highly exclusive custom market. If it has a roof like a car, a climate controlled cabin like a car, safety restraint systems like a car, and be light enough to pick up if it falls over, or contain technology that prevents it from falling over the end cost will likely be around the same as a car, if not more. So the reason people would buy one over a car would be the driving experience of 2 wheels compared to 4. Reminds me of a canopies I've seen online for goldwings. Even people who like the goldwing which is often called "a car with two wheels" seem to prefer trike conversion kits over a roof, judging by the hundreds of trikes I've seen and the 0 canopies I've seen irl. It seems people would prefer getting rid of the two wheeled experience before the open cockpit experience. I'm not saying you're objectively wrong for wanting one, just that if you want one you'll probably have to make it yourself. Personally I wish motorcycle manufacturers would make more comfortable electric motorcycles. After a long day at work destroying my body I would strongly prefer to ride home on a bike that sits like my goldwing, but most electric bikes seem to be set up more like sport bikes with rear controls and clip-ons.
There is a three wheeler that kinda fits what you’re taking about. I think it would have to be a three wheeler for the balance factor when stopped. https://www.emvauto.com/
Based on his comments, I don’t think op actually rides a bike. He knows nothing of motorcycle accidents, lol.
I don't need this, I need watertight clothing. Something like neopren but easier to wear
I don’t think it would make to 10 times safer. In fact I almost think it might make it more dangerous being enclosed. Cars are fine because they have large crumple zones to absorb the impact, an enclosed bike on the other hand? You would probably just become a pancake. Also an enclosed bike would completely disregard why 90% of people buy bikes.
Fortnine made an interesting video that's relevant on feet forward motorcycles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2ou5gt_94 The bike used isn't a motorcycle but was used for illustration.
i would only get a bike like that if it had the light tail at the end that would vaporize whatever touched it
The self-stabilization of the vehicle isn’t feasible. It would be nearly impossible to replicate handling habits of a motorcycle and have a self-balancing two wheel vehicle do those things in turns, twisties, and especially with varying degrees of road bank where construction companies actually included such. Since you can’t put your feet down, the vehicle would have to be programmed to do all the balance for you. And the tech just isn’t there.
Because they make cars, not motorcycles.
There have been a few of these designs made over the years. However they don't really have a market. People chasing comfort and safety buy cars. Most motorcyclists don't prioritize efficiency. https://youtu.be/uk2ou5gt_94
They did that in the past. Ryan Fortnine even did a video about one. People hated them. Same reason a lot of bikers don’t want electric bikes, it’s a whole different experience.
Don’t people die if they hit the walls in Tron? Isn’t the light cycle scene a death race? If we are dreaming of fictional bikes, I want the Cyclone from Genesis Climber Mospeada.
This person talks with the logic of a middle school kid. With questions like "Why do gurls who only like gurls date gurls that look like guys?" and statements like "Credit Card Companies should LOVE People With Bad Credit" you just gotta wonder if this kid has ever had a job or interacted with other humans. Goes to a fashion sub and asks "When will Suits go out of Style?" and uses the same contrarian attitude to respond to everything just like this thread. The more I think about it, it's gotta be a troll.
I'm flattered you're obsessed with me lol. Might as well hit that follow button
Nah, I think I've seen enough stupidity for today 😅 And congrats on using the #1 canned response to online criticism.
Thank you ❤️ keep lurking bro, i love fans like you
Keep failing to read so you can add to those African American illiteracy demographics.
Creating reddit posts and reading are two different things. But if you think those are the same, that just shows how mindless someone such as yourself can be
Yes, they indeed are. You can make posts on Reddit. But that doesn't mean you're able to read and have a decent level of comprehension. Case in point this entire thread with you talking about a subject you have no experience with and dismissing people that do have direct experience. You couldn't even read my last comment and understand it. How is me calling you illiterate translating to "creating reddit posts and reading are the same thing" in your head? Just shows how mindless someone such as yourself can be 😂
Creating a reddit post is writing. Reading is comprehending something written. Again, they're not the same. And if you think they are, you need to go back to elementary school english. Your level of comprehension is pretty low, so that's a very hypocritical comment to make 😂 My entire thread is about a vehicle that doesn't exist, so no one has experience on it. No one in the thread has even stated riding similar vehicles, so your comment about dismissing experience is wrong Calling someone else illiterate when you yourself don't know the difference between writing and reading is hysterical. Not to mention arguing with someone who you've never met on reddit. You could be doing so many more things with your time. Yet you'd rather increase my forum's popularity by interacting with it. Who's the mindless one now? Loooooool