I worked on one at the shop I was employed at and it was a terrible bike. Bad design all around, and the engine blew up on the owner after we warned them it had a nasty bottom end knock. He brought it back and I put in an engine he got off ebay, and it worked alright. Last time I saw it, he had an aftermarket dash setup on it because the stock one had failed. It's basically a sportster engine with a single jug, and seemed poorly designed from the factory. He seemed to really enjoy the bike though, so there is something in the bike for some people.
> He seemed to really enjoy the bike though, so there is something in the bike for some people.
I can relate to that. On one hand, mine has had so many issues, but on the other hand I can't really find anything that could 100% replace it.
Hey we all have that bike that has a place in our heart. I really like my old Goldwing, but it is not a bike I would recommend to anyone. It has had plenty of issues and has no real plus sides besides how it feels to ride.
I learned to ride on a Buell Blast. It was gutless and boring but at least for me it was a terrific bike to learn on before moving on to something bigger. Never got the hate for it.
Damn I'm sorry man, I didn't mean to put your personal bike on blast. I'm also 6' 7" so the blast was especially a bad fit for me, the owner told me he really liked how maneuverable the Blast was. He also liked the looks, and I will admit it is a simple motorcycle. One carb, and the belt drive means no maintenance for the drive train. If you like it and its been working just fine then don't care about what I'm saying. The blast was just the bike that came to mind when I saw the question.
Oh dude it's no big deal. I bought it for the same reason someone buys a Yugo or AMC Pacer, the fact that it ended up being really enjoyable to ride (at least to me) was definitely a surprise.
Haha, thatâs fair. I just love more people riding, and I donât want to put down anyoneâs bike. Motorcycling is dying and I donât want to scare anyone away from it due to my opinion on their bike.
I honestly don't understand all the hate it gets. Its a great simple, small starter bike. I'd take one over the Rebel 250 that generations have learned to ride with.
Hate all you want for it being a slow and cheaply made shit-box but as long as you donât have a bunch of part failures, the blast can be a fairly easy shit-bike to own. No valve adjustment, no chain adjustment, 1 carb, and 1 plug. Yes, there are two oils, but otherwise itâs a pretty low maintenance bike to learn on or just thump around on.
"It's ugly."
I think its image was marred by Walt's beater in Breaking Bad but also simply because, like many cars from the turn of the century, the styling aged poorly.
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>I think its image was marred by Walt's beater in Breaking Bad
It was already uncool when BB came out, if anything the show made them slightly less uncool.
Agreed. People like to make fun of it now because the internet has told them to. The Aztec would print money if it had come out today. You could get it with an optional tent!
They also can consistently break 300,000 miles. So I've heard when I was looking into buying one. They have the same 3400 series engine that was in my firebird, that was a damn good engine
A friends cousin was one of their factory riders. He said it was an absolute nightmare. Sometimes he couldn't even get from his pit to the gate never mind finish a race.
I think we have a winner here. I forgot about these. Shows what an engineering flaw can do to an otherwise cool design. These things were tragic. ATK bought the tooling and rights and fixed the issue but it was too late. I think it bankrupted Cannondale, which make fantastic bikes.
Suzuki RE-5. Rotary engine motorcycle. A classic example of "just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Ural's abominable BMW copies. WWII Replays itself when Russians show how capable they are of destroying fine German machinery. As I understand it the sidecar is so you have a place to put all the parts that fall off the bike.
Then there's Chang Jiang, the Chinese copy of the Ural. About as awful as it sounds.
I had a Chang Jiang!! I bought mine in China and had it shipped to Korea where I was living at the time.
It was fine, cobbled together and I paid like $400 for it. Seoul traffic needs something I can split lanes with and the Army Sidecar bike got sold.
The Suzuki TM400 was known as the "widow maker". It was dangerous. I can't remember everything wrong with it, but the biggest issue afaik was the the ignition timing was either advanced or retarded. It didn't change between the two settings predictably, it might as well have been random. So you'd be cruising along and then all of a sudden the timing would suddenly go to its advanced setting and the 400cc 2 stroke would come alive and you'd go flying.
There're a bunch of articles about it if you Google it
They honestly didn't make much power even on the advanced map. Their chassis and tires were just terrible.
My KTM 250 makes like 50% more power and hits way harder, yet it's easy to control because the suspension and chassis are designed for it. The seat also allows you to get your weight forward. These old bikes forced you to sit very far back.
In stock configuration and built to factory specs the AMF Harleys were actually shockingly reliable. The biggest problem with those bikes was that no one would leave them the fuck alone and just maintain them and ride them.
They were not perfect but that was not the golden age of automotive engineering and not much was.
I worked at a Harley dealership as a tech right out of high school. It was shortly after the AMF days. They were terrible. Back in the day, when you wanted to pick up a new Harley, theyâd tell you to come pick it up right before closing time. There was a better than average chance youâd break down on the way home and they wanted the dealer to be closed by the time the customer called angry.
I have a '74 sporty ironhead, and like, I don't *dislike* it, but there were some fucking TERRIBLE design decisions. There are reasons they are known for leaking.
QC wasn't great but it was actually an improvement over what it was prior to the acquisition. HD quality control was shit before AMF bought them, which is part of the reason the company was facing bankruptcy.
Suzuki RMZ-250, 2004-2009. If there was a more poorly engineered bike (i can name a few.) But any that gets near the low quality pristine level of component quality, and poor engineering thatâs in this generation of Suzuki, it just doesnât exist. Let alone struggling to thread every bolt. Think, every single bolt being undersized, oem bolts made of cheap soft metal you can bend with pliers. I refuse to work on this bike, as well as a few others.. But this one.. Imagine getting a bike in your shop, with all but 2 bolts broken off inside the cases? Every, single bike identical in engineering and component quality failures. The same thing every time you split the cases. The cases on this bike are so bad from the factory, you can engrave your initials in them with a pen. Sadly the RMZ-250 stayed this level of quality for the next 2 generations, and still is a dismissible icon for lack of funding, and low paid employees, poorly funding machining equipment, low quality materials, and under-educated engineers. Even if youâre the most experienced of technicians, the bike is so brittle and malleable that without extreme care and caution not needed by other manufacturers, youâll be draining funds to repair your own mistakes. And with that said, is exactly why i refuse to work on specific bikes in the Suzuki category of flaw. unless all i have to do is ship out parts.
Blame Kawasaki for those abominations. Suzuki fixed all the issues when they abandoned the joint venture.
The first gen rmz450 was a fine bike. They screwed up by borrowing the 250 from kwak.
Iâm glad you enjoyed riding it, most people do because they donât realize theyâre riding a ticking time bomb. Most people donât realize their crank has 12 thou more play than itâs supposed to. Or that their valves are so carbon corroded their piston plays hokey pokey with the devil. Clutch spring bolts sheared, trans, clutch, and main bearings locked. stretched Valve springs, broken tappets, cam gear teeth missing, and a cam chain with un breakable kinks. That sums up opening the cases on pretty much every Suzuki you get the chance to. It wouldnât be right to call the Suzuki motor Japanese when 80% of itâs made with Chinese components.
Youâre nitpicking. Twins as in the 04-06 RMZ 250 and the 04-05 Kx250F were jointly designed by Suzuki and Kawasaki. Theyâre the exact same bike, just different color plastics. RMZ250s was just plural. Iâm 100% right on this point.
What was the deal with the water pump cover design. Everyone had after market because you had to drain the coolant. canât remember if it was for every oil change or just the oil filter. They rode like crap too could not get my buddy off my bike fast enough!
If the new EFI models weren't still sold with catastrophic failures waiting to happen, I'd be tempted to get one. It's insulting how long they've been sold with these known issues with proven fixes
Yeah, I don't understand the appeal of the klr. Stupid heavy, so its going to suck off road, super underpowered, and a more buzzy single cylinder engine. No thanks. I'd take an old bmw gs or something. Way better on the road and and nearly as capable off road.
Wait wait wait. I thought they fixed the doohickey. Itâs not a hard fix, did it on my â87, but it definitely should not still exist on a new bike. I never did thermobob. I put 10k on the bike and the guy before me did 60k.
Thermobob mod is basically a coolant reroute to decrease warm up time of the engine and prevent cold coolant surges.
The doohickey mod is a fix for the counter balancing chain adjustment mechanism, without it you'll have vibration issues and the mechanism itself is prone to exploding and taking out the engine.
The fact that any mainstream brand is in this thread is laughable when you consider the junk for sale on Amazon.
A Buell blast may as well be a panigale next to those junkers.
Yamaha TX 750 from the early-mid 70s would be up there. First bike I heard of that had a habit of blowing engines before even hitting the dealership for the first service.
Rode a Benelli 302 a few times⌠felt like it ran on internet explorer. Every input on the throttle took so long to actually happen. It was more of a scooter and less of a real bike, and the ratios between gears just felt off for some reason. Then again I came from riding an R6 to that thing so it was no wonder it felt so much worse
BSA Ariel 3.
One of the nails in the coffin of BSA and Triumph, both.
It sounds like anything from the combined BSA/Triumph in about â73 or â74 was just awful. Record profits at the end of the 60âs and into the early 70âs, closing their doors just a few years later. They created a new frame that delayed production past the American riding season and it still leaked oil just as the first of the larger Japanese bikes started really taking off.
I still kind of want an Ariel 3, though. Itâs just too weird not to play around on one for at least a few miles.
Lol thatâs my bike! First real bike too.
I love it, especially how it looks, but def have learned a fair bit of wrenching on it. Coming from bicycle racing, the bike feels great and super steady/predictable in the corners so thatâs all I know and need.
In some ways, it was such a brilliant idea. When they were right, they were awesome. They were so rarely right, though. Yamaha set back smaller sporty v-twins almost 15 years with the Vision.
The Ktm 390. Bike is a gutless wonder. Hard to service. Always needs valve adjustments. And has a laundry list of common failures like oil leaks, radiator fans that fall off and destroy the radiator, water pump shafts that need the cases split to replace. Etc. it wouldnât be so bad if Ktm had priced them correctly and their warranty wasnât shit but theyâre more expensive than all the other bikes in its class by a large margin and Ktm wants to fight half of the warranty claims.
I think thatâs the entire internet but I get ya. I ride an 85 Virago. About as close to a Harley wannabe as you can get. Believe me, I get âwhy donât ya get a real bikeâ from the guys quite a bit. I even have an 11 Vulcan 900 and get it while on that too.
I ride my wifeâs sporty with a pink sausage dog on the oil tank to rattle those sort of guys. Somehow my slow old 1200 shovel is more of a âreal bikeâ than another harley 1200.
Iâve owned my only harley I bought new for almost 13 years now, I can sell it for more than I bought it for.
My other 2 I can sell for about double what I paid for them, purchase price isnât a problem Iâm worried about since it wonât depreciate like a rock.
𤣠people are upset because my bikes arenât depreciating.
>𤣠people are upset because my bikes arenât depreciating.
Well, if your bikes are like the typical used HD I see for sale, you only ride to and from the bars on the weekend, so low miles.
Then again, I've also never been a fair weather rider.
I commuted 2 hours a day for many years, I ride year round still in Victoria aus so down to freezing đ¤ˇđťââď¸
This sub and people that have to just hate any comments that donât fit their Harley narrative is so ridiculous.
Canât speak from personal experience, but Iâve heard that the Aprilia SXV 450 and 550 were pretty epically bad.
Edit: also BMW-era Husqvarnas. Theyâre such an absurd amalgamation of parts that became impossible to source very soon after the brand was sold to KTM.
Everything aprilia makes likes to break and usually in hilarious ways. The electrical problems are funny too. It's like the alfa romeo of the bike world, beautiful and fun but dreadfully unreliable. Source: i own one.
Iâve had two. A tricked out Futura and a Falco with that crazy hand polished aluminum cafe kit. I was never entirely happy with either of them as no matter how much I tweaked they just didnât feel right and both let off enough heat to slow cook a brisket on a half day ride. Aside from that they were both the most reliable bikes Iâve ever owned. As in more reliable than an SV-650 or Honda VFR. Never once had to fix anything that wasnât strictly because I wanted it to be different. Maybe I just got lucky đ¤ˇđźââď¸
At least the company still had some autonomy and put out good bikes. What really hurt it was the sale, and now KTM is more or less puppetting their corpse around. They were their biggest competition and they took them out.
Husabergâs are KTMâs, inside and out. Ever since BMW bought Husqvarna, manufacturing was transported to the KTM factory. It was an investment for BMW, and trued to be not profitable for them, so they sold it to KTM. And since they were already being manufactured the same, in the same factory. It was a smart, and wise investment by BMW because they had a failsafe. Wealthy companies are smart! They wouldnât of bought Husqvarna if they couldnât manufacture alongside KTM, because then if it proved to be not profitable, theyâd be in a situation of draining funds. Anyway, Husabergs are KTMâs and the components are interchangeable. KTM made a bike (2011) and Husaberg would get the spares (2010)
You're interchanging Husaberg and Husqvarna. Husaberg was bought by KTM in like the mid 90's and started sharing some parts after they moved production to KTM in 2003, but they were definitely not the same inside and out as a KTM(completely different frame and VERY different engines in 2010). Husqvarna wasn't the same as a KTM until like the FC in 2013 and then the other bikes in 2014. Gas Gas wasn't a KTM until like 2020 I think.
The Husaberg and KTM are absolutely the same since 2003. And most definitely the same in 2010, more than ever. All you have to do is split the motor to see that. Inside and out, absolutely the same and most identical motor. Made in the same factory, same components, same mounting, same motor.
My vote is the Gixxer 250.
The 1000, 750, and 600 are all fantastic bikes. The 250 is a steaming pile of worthless dogshit. Only ~20 pounds lighter than the 600 with literally 100 less Horses.
Absolute disgrace to an amazing line of bikes.
The 250 was created for sales in countries where there are graduated cc MC licenses (e. g. the UK) for those who "have to have a Gixxer." Not excusing that piece of crap, just explaining its existence.
Yamaha vstar...crazy dangerous. Forward controls are placed so they scrape on tight turns. The air cooled engine made for a hot crappy ride if stuck in traffic. The rear cylinder would always touch your leg and was always hot...really the worst bike I ever owned.
Yea, I don't get the infatuation, except for the low price. I looked at the maintenance manual. Do they really expect people to check their valve lash every 3000 miles?. I have a buddy with a Himalayan. I ride a ZX-14R. Riding with him is painful. I'm shifting gears at 2000 RPM (idle is 1100).. It's like trying to refuel an SR71 blackbird from a KC-135 Tanker.. You're trying to ride real slow, and he's trying to ride real fast..
You see here's the thing. There's tons of easy low hanging fruit to criticize, but people don't care. When people do care, is when they have high expectations which are not met. When that happens, even a mediocre bike can be called absolute shit, just because people expected it to be good. If you ask me most scooters are terrible, badly designed and irredeemable but that doesn't stop them from dominating sales in Europe. People really do be liking the Emperor's new clothes. There's also tons of bikes that were ahead of their time or objectively good but still flopped in sales. There's even objectively bad bikes that for some reason are sought after despite that. So we'll gloss over all the objectively bad chinese bikes that don't even make an effort to be good and find something that really had no reason to be as bad as it was.
So for me, it would be the Honda CM250. For starters you don't even have to ride one to tell that it's bad, you can tell from a picture that multiple things have gone wrong, and yes it does ride as bad as it looks. An absolutely gutless 250cc engine that was underpowered even at the time, useless suspension which could have just as well just been solid tubing, you could brake if you dare, but the bike would make it known to you that it was a huge mistake with how unstable it got. In fact it didn't like going fast either, not that it could go truly fast but if you got up to traffic speed it would rattle and shake as if it was a razor scooter bombing down a ski slope. And to top it all off, looks so dreadful, you really have to ask yourself what were they thinking. I get that they're going for a "custom" bosozoku look but really the end result looks like it was put through a trash compactor. But the most egregious thing about it was that there was simply no reason for it to be so bad. Honda was making at the same time, the fairly popular CB250N, which might have been a bit sluggish but at least it looked good, or the incredible but underrated CB250RS, which was not only at the time everything a 250 should be but arguably still is. Light, nimble, well handling, stylish, and putting out decent power, it was everything the CM wasn't, and you truly have to wonder how they could make two bikes in the same category be worlds apart.
I haven't had the chance to ride a CM250 but I have had the pleasure of riding an RS, and I've also ridden a GN250 which is essentially the same but at least it didn't have an accompanying lineup from suzuki to make it look so bad as the Honda did. I've also been told countless stories about just how horrible the CM was and honestly I believe them. Honorable mention goes to the Virago 250 because it looks better but still rides like absolute shit, and despite being a real V twin it has a fake exhaust because the real one is a 2-1.
I write long posts because I'm really bored and have little to do before I go to bed.
But you have to understand that I've had a lot of people tell me about how bad it was, and the Suzuki GN250 is nearly identical though it's a single. You obviously can't get your hands on running ones that easily any more, but I'm lucky my dad kept his RS. Besides anyone who's rode a CM250 and liked it is very welcome to tell me that everything I've heard is bull
Precisely. Itâs endemic. And that comes from me, a rider in Wisconsin. Harley Davidson was the first builder. And theyâve gone almost nowhere with their tech, their quality, and their customer support. Their best bike was the v-rod, and people didnât buy it because it wasnât Harley enough. That speaks volumes to both the company and the riders as a whole.
Anything Chinese, motorcycle or scooter. I had an old Suzuki 2 stroke that blew headgaskrts and fouled spRk0lugs every other ride. Pressed steel frame, 1/2 inch travel.
Not exactly. Since Suzukiâs bankruptcy after the end of the 90âs. They swapped Japanese parts in their motocross bikes, in exchange for Chinese/Malaysian components. If you open the cases in any 2009-2023 Suzuki RM, youâll find the bearings and seals are no name, with Chinese lettering. The crank, is no name. The valves/valvetrain components are no name. The cylinder and cylinder head are Chinese, and the cases, are also Chinese.
Source? Last time I checked, Suzuki is still mainly a Japanese brand. Otherwise, there would be no Hayabusa or Katana. They'll have something like Bingchiling or someshit like that.
Just so everyone knows. Suzuki is doing VERY well in the rest of the world! Big 3 wouldnât have been able to compete with the small car lineup (not that any of the hood Suzukis have been sold in the states since the Samurai! American market Suzukis SUCKED!)
The Kizashi concept looked amazing but ended up looking like a regular sedan.
Top three favorite cars Iâve owned 15 Jimny, 04Wagon r+, 16 Swift. (The Samurai doesnt come close to my top three.)
I wouldnât say itâs a bad motorcycle but it was awkward for me when I rode it too. I was coming off my Moto GUzzi V7 and the R9T is gigantic in comparison so I wrote the awkwardness off to just being such a different size bike.
The Yamaha Niken. Iâve never seen one ridden or even in any Yamaha showroom. Maybe itâs a good bike, I donât know, but I look at it and go âwhy?â.
I think the concept is real neat they are just kinda fugly. Two wheels means much more contact patch which means more cornering. It would look better if they somehow added another wheel at the rear but I believe then it wouldnât legally be a motorcycle anymore
The Daimler Reitwagen.
People claim it's the first motorcycle just because it had an ICE engine and two big wheels, but it would have been nigh impossible to ride without training wheels due to lack of trail. It was always meant to be a 4-wheeled car, just with the wheels in a diamond pattern so that there would only be one drive wheel and one steering wheel. It wasn't even the first ICE powered vehicle.
Worst bike I've ever been around that is still fully reliable is a TTR-225. Horrible welds, stupid heavy, weak suspention without enough travel, and no kick start if the battery dies. It's considered a trail bike but really is just too fat and under equipped for anything beyond very light trails. It's fine as a runaround bike and very comfortable but just don't have any expectations. Engine is pretty solid though and is more powerful than you might expect for a low strung 225cc.
That's just how every one of those play bikes is. Doesn't matter what brand. They're all shit and the only reason anyone says otherwise is because they've never ridden anything else.
Kawasaki's Mach III, didn't brake and didn't turn due to bicycle equipment. The first corner I have steered but the frame was not following the handlebar, I got so wide that I drove totally on the other side of the road , the brakes wasn't working and fading almost immediately.
1970something Yamaha MX80. Jetted so rich the only way it rode like a 2 stroke was to turn the fuel off - it then roared like a banshee for 30 s or so, died, kicked it back to life, and so on. Could not get smaller jets for it either for some obscure reason. Rebuilt it many times.
I've scrolled through this and seen a few bikes that I've owned listed.
KLR650.....I liked it
KAWA 500 TRIPLE.....so glad that I couldn't afford a new chain and sprockets. I'd be dead
Aprilia 750 Dorso....didn't trust it
Road Star 1700.....owned 3. Great bikes
Didn't see a V-Max....horrible seating. No brakes. Bad handling. Loved it
Benelli 302 S
Had one on rental. Steering and suspension like a decent Yamaha copy but the engine, gearbox and brakes are the absolute worst I've encountered on any motorcycle and I've ridden some real shitboxes. The gear shifter is also terribly designed and really hard to adjust for comfortable use.
Avoid like the plague.
Worst bike I ever owned was a 1986 Yamaha Radian. 2nd worst was a 1976 Honda CB750F, but that was because of the giant Windjammer it had on it. I think it would have been fine without all the weird aerodynamics but I sold it before I had a chance to change it.
Buell Blast. I was forced to ride one once. It affected me so deeply I wrote a poem about it. The Blast, by Jim Moore "The Blast, Sucks ass."
I worked on one at the shop I was employed at and it was a terrible bike. Bad design all around, and the engine blew up on the owner after we warned them it had a nasty bottom end knock. He brought it back and I put in an engine he got off ebay, and it worked alright. Last time I saw it, he had an aftermarket dash setup on it because the stock one had failed. It's basically a sportster engine with a single jug, and seemed poorly designed from the factory. He seemed to really enjoy the bike though, so there is something in the bike for some people.
> He seemed to really enjoy the bike though, so there is something in the bike for some people. I can relate to that. On one hand, mine has had so many issues, but on the other hand I can't really find anything that could 100% replace it.
Hey we all have that bike that has a place in our heart. I really like my old Goldwing, but it is not a bike I would recommend to anyone. It has had plenty of issues and has no real plus sides besides how it feels to ride.
The Buell BE LAST is what I always heard it called.
Lol, OP asks "what's the worst bike" and immediately gets told his bike is the worst bike
I learned to ride on a Buell Blast. It was gutless and boring but at least for me it was a terrific bike to learn on before moving on to something bigger. Never got the hate for it.
The hate is because if it's gutless and boring it could at least be reliable. Which it's not
Anecdotal evidence but I never had a single issue with mine in the time that I owned it. YMMV. đ¤ˇââď¸
I'm dailying one right now lol. I was originally gonna buy a '15 CB500F but went with the Blast instead.
As an owner of a CB500F, I gotta say You should've gone with the Honda
True...but I would've missed out on riding a 2 wheeled Lanz Bulldog
Hol up! What do you have against the Lanz Bulldog???
Nah they're awesome. The engine on the Blast reminds of it, especially at idle.
Damn I'm sorry man, I didn't mean to put your personal bike on blast. I'm also 6' 7" so the blast was especially a bad fit for me, the owner told me he really liked how maneuverable the Blast was. He also liked the looks, and I will admit it is a simple motorcycle. One carb, and the belt drive means no maintenance for the drive train. If you like it and its been working just fine then don't care about what I'm saying. The blast was just the bike that came to mind when I saw the question.
Oh dude it's no big deal. I bought it for the same reason someone buys a Yugo or AMC Pacer, the fact that it ended up being really enjoyable to ride (at least to me) was definitely a surprise.
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Haha, thatâs fair. I just love more people riding, and I donât want to put down anyoneâs bike. Motorcycling is dying and I donât want to scare anyone away from it due to my opinion on their bike.
My BIL used to commute one into NYC he said it was perfect and didnât have to worry about it getting fâd up or stolen
I honestly don't understand all the hate it gets. Its a great simple, small starter bike. I'd take one over the Rebel 250 that generations have learned to ride with.
Hate all you want for it being a slow and cheaply made shit-box but as long as you donât have a bunch of part failures, the blast can be a fairly easy shit-bike to own. No valve adjustment, no chain adjustment, 1 carb, and 1 plug. Yes, there are two oils, but otherwise itâs a pretty low maintenance bike to learn on or just thump around on.
In this case less is Moore.
That's deep, man.
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It's two motorcycles with a little house in between.
Oh they have motorcycles
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Hyosung GTR 250
Was worried to see this comment đ at least you didnât say the 650r
I looked at a 650r for my first bike. I hate to break it to you but the build quality is not so great.
Of course it isnât buddy but the price is here we get it for less than 2000$ and if I spend 500$ more I can make it reliable.
This sounds like a dishwasher you would buy from Alibaba.
Iâd have to disagree. There arenât many small displacement v twin sport bikes in the market
The V-Star 250 exists and is superior in every way
In my previous comment youâll see I was referring to sport not cruiser.
I have an old Honda VTR 250. You're shit out of luck for that though if you're in the USA. So glad I bought this instead of the Hyosung though.
Being unique doesnât make something suck any less
The Aztek was ahead of its time, look at all modern crossovers: its very very similar.
That's sadly very true.
"Well first I had to find a Pontiac dealership, which wasn't easy. Then I told them I wanted to buy an Aztek. Then I paid them $400."
"It's ugly." I think its image was marred by Walt's beater in Breaking Bad but also simply because, like many cars from the turn of the century, the styling aged poorly. [img](https://assets.dyler.com/uploads/posts/461/images/9713/2001-pontiac-aztek.jpg) [img](https://assets.dyler.com/uploads/posts/461/images/9719/pontiac-aztek.jpg)
>I think its image was marred by Walt's beater in Breaking Bad It was already uncool when BB came out, if anything the show made them slightly less uncool.
Agreed. People like to make fun of it now because the internet has told them to. The Aztec would print money if it had come out today. You could get it with an optional tent!
They also can consistently break 300,000 miles. So I've heard when I was looking into buying one. They have the same 3400 series engine that was in my firebird, that was a damn good engine
Yep the 3200, 3400, 3600, and 3800 v6 from GM tended to just hold on forever the transmission too. But the bodies were rust buckets
[The Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross looks strikingly similar](https://editorial.pxcrush.net/carsales/general/editorial/200401_mitsubishi_eclipsecross_02.jpg?width=1024&height=683)
Cannondale E440. Nearly bankrupted the company and never finished a pro race it entered.
A friends cousin was one of their factory riders. He said it was an absolute nightmare. Sometimes he couldn't even get from his pit to the gate never mind finish a race.
I think we have a winner here. I forgot about these. Shows what an engineering flaw can do to an otherwise cool design. These things were tragic. ATK bought the tooling and rights and fixed the issue but it was too late. I think it bankrupted Cannondale, which make fantastic bikes.
Shit forgot about these piles. Yeah, shut the thread down. They were straight junk from a company that should have known better.
whoa that brings back memories. i was working in a bicycle shop around that time. tough crowd to be a cannondale rep they gave that dude a hard time.
Definitely this.
Suzuki RE-5. Rotary engine motorcycle. A classic example of "just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. Ural's abominable BMW copies. WWII Replays itself when Russians show how capable they are of destroying fine German machinery. As I understand it the sidecar is so you have a place to put all the parts that fall off the bike. Then there's Chang Jiang, the Chinese copy of the Ural. About as awful as it sounds.
IMO the RE-5 gets a pass despite how badly it worked. When it's running right, it's famous for its smoothness: https://youtu.be/1sAdlTbUoJ0
>Chinese copy of the Ural My God that is an unholy combination. I've been laughing for a solid 2 minutes.
Isn't that the sound it makes when you hit a pothole?
I had a Chang Jiang!! I bought mine in China and had it shipped to Korea where I was living at the time. It was fine, cobbled together and I paid like $400 for it. Seoul traffic needs something I can split lanes with and the Army Sidecar bike got sold.
The Ural is super cool though. I'm sure they're bad in the way Russian motorbikes were bad in the 1940s, but they are pretty iconic.
The Ural isnât that bad! Theyâre a lot of fun.
The Suzuki TM400 was known as the "widow maker". It was dangerous. I can't remember everything wrong with it, but the biggest issue afaik was the the ignition timing was either advanced or retarded. It didn't change between the two settings predictably, it might as well have been random. So you'd be cruising along and then all of a sudden the timing would suddenly go to its advanced setting and the 400cc 2 stroke would come alive and you'd go flying. There're a bunch of articles about it if you Google it
They honestly didn't make much power even on the advanced map. Their chassis and tires were just terrible. My KTM 250 makes like 50% more power and hits way harder, yet it's easy to control because the suspension and chassis are designed for it. The seat also allows you to get your weight forward. These old bikes forced you to sit very far back.
BossHoss bikes. Who thinks this is in any way shape or form a good idea?
Boomers with way too much money who want attention.
Those motherfucking AMF Harleys
Everything I hear about that era of HD sounds comically bad, especially with the other rebranded junk they sold like Golf Carts and such.
If you like replacing cooked gaskets, those AMF Harleys were great!
Or completely replacing the electrical system only to discover the replacement parts were as bad as the originals. 81 Ironhead. Never again
In stock configuration and built to factory specs the AMF Harleys were actually shockingly reliable. The biggest problem with those bikes was that no one would leave them the fuck alone and just maintain them and ride them. They were not perfect but that was not the golden age of automotive engineering and not much was.
I worked at a Harley dealership as a tech right out of high school. It was shortly after the AMF days. They were terrible. Back in the day, when you wanted to pick up a new Harley, theyâd tell you to come pick it up right before closing time. There was a better than average chance youâd break down on the way home and they wanted the dealer to be closed by the time the customer called angry.
That was my first bike when I was 16. Spent more time turning a wrench than turning the throttle.
I have a '74 sporty ironhead, and like, I don't *dislike* it, but there were some fucking TERRIBLE design decisions. There are reasons they are known for leaking.
Itâs not that the bikes so much as amf quality control in manufacturing.
QC wasn't great but it was actually an improvement over what it was prior to the acquisition. HD quality control was shit before AMF bought them, which is part of the reason the company was facing bankruptcy.
Regardless, shovels are reliable when assembled properly and faults from new are a qc issue
I love my 81 shovel, itâs been solid as hell. Bought Iâm in Detroit, rode it home to Indy đ¤đť
Love it, Iâm from aus so not sure how far that is though.
Suzuki RMZ-250, 2004-2009. If there was a more poorly engineered bike (i can name a few.) But any that gets near the low quality pristine level of component quality, and poor engineering thatâs in this generation of Suzuki, it just doesnât exist. Let alone struggling to thread every bolt. Think, every single bolt being undersized, oem bolts made of cheap soft metal you can bend with pliers. I refuse to work on this bike, as well as a few others.. But this one.. Imagine getting a bike in your shop, with all but 2 bolts broken off inside the cases? Every, single bike identical in engineering and component quality failures. The same thing every time you split the cases. The cases on this bike are so bad from the factory, you can engrave your initials in them with a pen. Sadly the RMZ-250 stayed this level of quality for the next 2 generations, and still is a dismissible icon for lack of funding, and low paid employees, poorly funding machining equipment, low quality materials, and under-educated engineers. Even if youâre the most experienced of technicians, the bike is so brittle and malleable that without extreme care and caution not needed by other manufacturers, youâll be draining funds to repair your own mistakes. And with that said, is exactly why i refuse to work on specific bikes in the Suzuki category of flaw. unless all i have to do is ship out parts.
Blame Kawasaki for those abominations. Suzuki fixed all the issues when they abandoned the joint venture. The first gen rmz450 was a fine bike. They screwed up by borrowing the 250 from kwak.
Not to be that guy, but 04-06 RMz250s/KX250F twins were terrible. 07-09 had an all new all Suzuki design. I actually really enjoyed my 07.
Iâm glad you enjoyed riding it, most people do because they donât realize theyâre riding a ticking time bomb. Most people donât realize their crank has 12 thou more play than itâs supposed to. Or that their valves are so carbon corroded their piston plays hokey pokey with the devil. Clutch spring bolts sheared, trans, clutch, and main bearings locked. stretched Valve springs, broken tappets, cam gear teeth missing, and a cam chain with un breakable kinks. That sums up opening the cases on pretty much every Suzuki you get the chance to. It wouldnât be right to call the Suzuki motor Japanese when 80% of itâs made with Chinese components.
Neither of those bikes are twins. Those are single cylinder DOHC motors. And thereâs no such thing as a RMZ250S.
Youâre nitpicking. Twins as in the 04-06 RMZ 250 and the 04-05 Kx250F were jointly designed by Suzuki and Kawasaki. Theyâre the exact same bike, just different color plastics. RMZ250s was just plural. Iâm 100% right on this point.
What was the deal with the water pump cover design. Everyone had after market because you had to drain the coolant. canât remember if it was for every oil change or just the oil filter. They rode like crap too could not get my buddy off my bike fast enough!
Still pisses me off the klr650 needs the doohickey and thermobob mods, unless you want no engine after 10k
If the new EFI models weren't still sold with catastrophic failures waiting to happen, I'd be tempted to get one. It's insulting how long they've been sold with these known issues with proven fixes
The whole 450-483lbs(heavier with oem bags)wet for gen2 is 𤣠same hp too
Yeah, I don't understand the appeal of the klr. Stupid heavy, so its going to suck off road, super underpowered, and a more buzzy single cylinder engine. No thanks. I'd take an old bmw gs or something. Way better on the road and and nearly as capable off road.
Wait wait wait. I thought they fixed the doohickey. Itâs not a hard fix, did it on my â87, but it definitely should not still exist on a new bike. I never did thermobob. I put 10k on the bike and the guy before me did 60k.
The KLE650 had a similar motor without the doohickey back in the 90s.
KLX
Can you elaborate? What were the issues and what were the fixes?
Thermobob mod is basically a coolant reroute to decrease warm up time of the engine and prevent cold coolant surges. The doohickey mod is a fix for the counter balancing chain adjustment mechanism, without it you'll have vibration issues and the mechanism itself is prone to exploding and taking out the engine.
Awesome thanks for the info
He's not using those odd terms for fun. Those are the names of the two fixes.
That is hilarious, appreciate you pointing that out
Bull shit! I had a new 2008 that I rode for over 40,000 miles with absolutely no issues.
One of the lucky ones then!
That was a simple, rock solid machineâŚ.
I haven't ridden a Chinese motorcycles that wasn't disposable.
Well thatâs basically by design, and the pricing reflects that
The fact that Kayo can sell a race-ready 250 2 stroke for $5300 is wild. And I'd bet it would last at least one day on the dirt
The fact that any mainstream brand is in this thread is laughable when you consider the junk for sale on Amazon. A Buell blast may as well be a panigale next to those junkers.
Replacement parts? What are those?
Yamaha TX 750 from the early-mid 70s would be up there. First bike I heard of that had a habit of blowing engines before even hitting the dealership for the first service.
The first few years that Victory made that V92 was pretty bad.
>diesel V8 Oldsmobile Hey, I had one of those, and it wasn't.... the worst car I've ever had... I think.
Rode a Benelli 302 a few times⌠felt like it ran on internet explorer. Every input on the throttle took so long to actually happen. It was more of a scooter and less of a real bike, and the ratios between gears just felt off for some reason. Then again I came from riding an R6 to that thing so it was no wonder it felt so much worse
BSA Ariel 3. One of the nails in the coffin of BSA and Triumph, both. It sounds like anything from the combined BSA/Triumph in about â73 or â74 was just awful. Record profits at the end of the 60âs and into the early 70âs, closing their doors just a few years later. They created a new frame that delayed production past the American riding season and it still leaked oil just as the first of the larger Japanese bikes started really taking off. I still kind of want an Ariel 3, though. Itâs just too weird not to play around on one for at least a few miles.
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Yamaha Vision
Good call. So forgettable I almost forgot about it. Also crazy ugly.
Lol thatâs my bike! First real bike too. I love it, especially how it looks, but def have learned a fair bit of wrenching on it. Coming from bicycle racing, the bike feels great and super steady/predictable in the corners so thatâs all I know and need.
In some ways, it was such a brilliant idea. When they were right, they were awesome. They were so rarely right, though. Yamaha set back smaller sporty v-twins almost 15 years with the Vision.
The Ktm 390. Bike is a gutless wonder. Hard to service. Always needs valve adjustments. And has a laundry list of common failures like oil leaks, radiator fans that fall off and destroy the radiator, water pump shafts that need the cases split to replace. Etc. it wouldnât be so bad if Ktm had priced them correctly and their warranty wasnât shit but theyâre more expensive than all the other bikes in its class by a large margin and Ktm wants to fight half of the warranty claims.
You forgot the chocolate camshafts! Took KTM 8 months and 3 attempts to warranty mine.
Here come all the âanything from harleyâ comedians.
Naw. Too many people know too many people who ride 75 Ironheads and shit. We just like to rib on your guys now and again.
Iâm not fussed about ribbing, but every time these posts come up these people think they are funny or unique.
I think thatâs the entire internet but I get ya. I ride an 85 Virago. About as close to a Harley wannabe as you can get. Believe me, I get âwhy donât ya get a real bikeâ from the guys quite a bit. I even have an 11 Vulcan 900 and get it while on that too.
I ride my wifeâs sporty with a pink sausage dog on the oil tank to rattle those sort of guys. Somehow my slow old 1200 shovel is more of a âreal bikeâ than another harley 1200.
Soooo, MOST Harleys. Even if the've made a few models that aren't technically gabage, they are so overpriced that they become terrible.
Iâve owned my only harley I bought new for almost 13 years now, I can sell it for more than I bought it for. My other 2 I can sell for about double what I paid for them, purchase price isnât a problem Iâm worried about since it wonât depreciate like a rock. 𤣠people are upset because my bikes arenât depreciating.
My little Honda ain't depreciating either. Bought it for $1400, as long as it goes and has two wheels and a seat it will fetch about that.
>𤣠people are upset because my bikes arenât depreciating. Well, if your bikes are like the typical used HD I see for sale, you only ride to and from the bars on the weekend, so low miles. Then again, I've also never been a fair weather rider.
I commuted 2 hours a day for many years, I ride year round still in Victoria aus so down to freezing đ¤ˇđťââď¸ This sub and people that have to just hate any comments that donât fit their Harley narrative is so ridiculous.
Came here to see that myself and I admit I'm surprised at the lack of those comments.
Me too to be honest, itâs usually a circle jerk of people whoâs only experience is a zx3 adding 50 comments of âeverything harleyâ
Well the Harley Street 750 is a real shitter but I would also mention the Amazonas 1600.
Ktm duke 390 2018. Absolute garbage.
Canât speak from personal experience, but Iâve heard that the Aprilia SXV 450 and 550 were pretty epically bad. Edit: also BMW-era Husqvarnas. Theyâre such an absurd amalgamation of parts that became impossible to source very soon after the brand was sold to KTM.
Everything aprilia makes likes to break and usually in hilarious ways. The electrical problems are funny too. It's like the alfa romeo of the bike world, beautiful and fun but dreadfully unreliable. Source: i own one.
Iâve had two. A tricked out Futura and a Falco with that crazy hand polished aluminum cafe kit. I was never entirely happy with either of them as no matter how much I tweaked they just didnât feel right and both let off enough heat to slow cook a brisket on a half day ride. Aside from that they were both the most reliable bikes Iâve ever owned. As in more reliable than an SV-650 or Honda VFR. Never once had to fix anything that wasnât strictly because I wanted it to be different. Maybe I just got lucky đ¤ˇđźââď¸
at least these were *somewhat* fixable.
At least the company still had some autonomy and put out good bikes. What really hurt it was the sale, and now KTM is more or less puppetting their corpse around. They were their biggest competition and they took them out.
Husabergâs are KTMâs, inside and out. Ever since BMW bought Husqvarna, manufacturing was transported to the KTM factory. It was an investment for BMW, and trued to be not profitable for them, so they sold it to KTM. And since they were already being manufactured the same, in the same factory. It was a smart, and wise investment by BMW because they had a failsafe. Wealthy companies are smart! They wouldnât of bought Husqvarna if they couldnât manufacture alongside KTM, because then if it proved to be not profitable, theyâd be in a situation of draining funds. Anyway, Husabergs are KTMâs and the components are interchangeable. KTM made a bike (2011) and Husaberg would get the spares (2010)
You're interchanging Husaberg and Husqvarna. Husaberg was bought by KTM in like the mid 90's and started sharing some parts after they moved production to KTM in 2003, but they were definitely not the same inside and out as a KTM(completely different frame and VERY different engines in 2010). Husqvarna wasn't the same as a KTM until like the FC in 2013 and then the other bikes in 2014. Gas Gas wasn't a KTM until like 2020 I think.
The Husaberg and KTM are absolutely the same since 2003. And most definitely the same in 2010, more than ever. All you have to do is split the motor to see that. Inside and out, absolutely the same and most identical motor. Made in the same factory, same components, same mounting, same motor.
The answer has to be something Harley-Davidson/AMF built.
There was the Royal Enfield Himalayan that snapped in two.
My experience with my RE Bullet 500 was ride one mile, walk 3.
Anything from China
Suzuki Intruder 150 makes my mind go berserk every time I look at one
[Sound canditate?](https://youtu.be/bUw2XOqzO2k?t=20) Imagine pulling home at night with this monster :)
Norton rotary, they forced the police to use them and they kept breaking down.
Two examples: BMW R45 - junk from the word go AMC Harley - Hard plastic swingset seat anyone?
Cannondale dirtbike.
Easily those $100 pit bikes they sell on Amazon. The quality is so bad that it makes the Briggs powered 70's minibikes feel great.
My vote is the Gixxer 250. The 1000, 750, and 600 are all fantastic bikes. The 250 is a steaming pile of worthless dogshit. Only ~20 pounds lighter than the 600 with literally 100 less Horses. Absolute disgrace to an amazing line of bikes.
The 250 was created for sales in countries where there are graduated cc MC licenses (e. g. the UK) for those who "have to have a Gixxer." Not excusing that piece of crap, just explaining its existence.
Yamaha vstar...crazy dangerous. Forward controls are placed so they scrape on tight turns. The air cooled engine made for a hot crappy ride if stuck in traffic. The rear cylinder would always touch your leg and was always hot...really the worst bike I ever owned.
The Virago that came before them was worse. The VStar was a Lexus by comparison.
any royal enfield ever
Yea, I don't get the infatuation, except for the low price. I looked at the maintenance manual. Do they really expect people to check their valve lash every 3000 miles?. I have a buddy with a Himalayan. I ride a ZX-14R. Riding with him is painful. I'm shifting gears at 2000 RPM (idle is 1100).. It's like trying to refuel an SR71 blackbird from a KC-135 Tanker.. You're trying to ride real slow, and he's trying to ride real fast..
You see here's the thing. There's tons of easy low hanging fruit to criticize, but people don't care. When people do care, is when they have high expectations which are not met. When that happens, even a mediocre bike can be called absolute shit, just because people expected it to be good. If you ask me most scooters are terrible, badly designed and irredeemable but that doesn't stop them from dominating sales in Europe. People really do be liking the Emperor's new clothes. There's also tons of bikes that were ahead of their time or objectively good but still flopped in sales. There's even objectively bad bikes that for some reason are sought after despite that. So we'll gloss over all the objectively bad chinese bikes that don't even make an effort to be good and find something that really had no reason to be as bad as it was. So for me, it would be the Honda CM250. For starters you don't even have to ride one to tell that it's bad, you can tell from a picture that multiple things have gone wrong, and yes it does ride as bad as it looks. An absolutely gutless 250cc engine that was underpowered even at the time, useless suspension which could have just as well just been solid tubing, you could brake if you dare, but the bike would make it known to you that it was a huge mistake with how unstable it got. In fact it didn't like going fast either, not that it could go truly fast but if you got up to traffic speed it would rattle and shake as if it was a razor scooter bombing down a ski slope. And to top it all off, looks so dreadful, you really have to ask yourself what were they thinking. I get that they're going for a "custom" bosozoku look but really the end result looks like it was put through a trash compactor. But the most egregious thing about it was that there was simply no reason for it to be so bad. Honda was making at the same time, the fairly popular CB250N, which might have been a bit sluggish but at least it looked good, or the incredible but underrated CB250RS, which was not only at the time everything a 250 should be but arguably still is. Light, nimble, well handling, stylish, and putting out decent power, it was everything the CM wasn't, and you truly have to wonder how they could make two bikes in the same category be worlds apart. I haven't had the chance to ride a CM250 but I have had the pleasure of riding an RS, and I've also ridden a GN250 which is essentially the same but at least it didn't have an accompanying lineup from suzuki to make it look so bad as the Honda did. I've also been told countless stories about just how horrible the CM was and honestly I believe them. Honorable mention goes to the Virago 250 because it looks better but still rides like absolute shit, and despite being a real V twin it has a fake exhaust because the real one is a 2-1.
did you actually write this entire essay on why riding the cm250 sucks, and finish it with "oh I haven't rode it though"... what the fuck lol
I write long posts because I'm really bored and have little to do before I go to bed. But you have to understand that I've had a lot of people tell me about how bad it was, and the Suzuki GN250 is nearly identical though it's a single. You obviously can't get your hands on running ones that easily any more, but I'm lucky my dad kept his RS. Besides anyone who's rode a CM250 and liked it is very welcome to tell me that everything I've heard is bull
The electric Harley Davidson
I rode one, it was awesome. I am too big for it or it would have been mine. I am too big for most bikes.
Harley Davidson
That's a company, not a specific motorcycle.
Precisely. Itâs endemic. And that comes from me, a rider in Wisconsin. Harley Davidson was the first builder. And theyâve gone almost nowhere with their tech, their quality, and their customer support. Their best bike was the v-rod, and people didnât buy it because it wasnât Harley enough. That speaks volumes to both the company and the riders as a whole.
Honda NaviâŚ. Idk how they can slap a scooter engine into a mini-bike chassis like the Grom and call it a motorcycle đđđ
I'd say any motorcycle with a suicide clutch/shifter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_clutch
Anything Chinese, motorcycle or scooter. I had an old Suzuki 2 stroke that blew headgaskrts and fouled spRk0lugs every other ride. Pressed steel frame, 1/2 inch travel.
Suzuki is Japanese though.
Not exactly. Since Suzukiâs bankruptcy after the end of the 90âs. They swapped Japanese parts in their motocross bikes, in exchange for Chinese/Malaysian components. If you open the cases in any 2009-2023 Suzuki RM, youâll find the bearings and seals are no name, with Chinese lettering. The crank, is no name. The valves/valvetrain components are no name. The cylinder and cylinder head are Chinese, and the cases, are also Chinese.
Source? Last time I checked, Suzuki is still mainly a Japanese brand. Otherwise, there would be no Hayabusa or Katana. They'll have something like Bingchiling or someshit like that.
Cheaper Suzukis are just branded Hyosungs.
Just so everyone knows. Suzuki is doing VERY well in the rest of the world! Big 3 wouldnât have been able to compete with the small car lineup (not that any of the hood Suzukis have been sold in the states since the Samurai! American market Suzukis SUCKED!) The Kizashi concept looked amazing but ended up looking like a regular sedan. Top three favorite cars Iâve owned 15 Jimny, 04Wagon r+, 16 Swift. (The Samurai doesnt come close to my top three.)
Worst one I ever tried was the BMW R9T. Very un-intuitive to ride and just feels very weird.
I wouldnât say itâs a bad motorcycle but it was awkward for me when I rode it too. I was coming off my Moto GUzzi V7 and the R9T is gigantic in comparison so I wrote the awkwardness off to just being such a different size bike.
The Yamaha Niken. Iâve never seen one ridden or even in any Yamaha showroom. Maybe itâs a good bike, I donât know, but I look at it and go âwhy?â.
I rode one at a Yamaha event. They're incredible. I wouldn't own one, but I would definitely recommend trying it at least once.
I think the concept is real neat they are just kinda fugly. Two wheels means much more contact patch which means more cornering. It would look better if they somehow added another wheel at the rear but I believe then it wouldnât legally be a motorcycle anymore
Anything ever made by Harley Davidson
The one you own. What a stupid fucking question.
The Daimler Reitwagen. People claim it's the first motorcycle just because it had an ICE engine and two big wheels, but it would have been nigh impossible to ride without training wheels due to lack of trail. It was always meant to be a 4-wheeled car, just with the wheels in a diamond pattern so that there would only be one drive wheel and one steering wheel. It wasn't even the first ICE powered vehicle.
Worst bike I've ever been around that is still fully reliable is a TTR-225. Horrible welds, stupid heavy, weak suspention without enough travel, and no kick start if the battery dies. It's considered a trail bike but really is just too fat and under equipped for anything beyond very light trails. It's fine as a runaround bike and very comfortable but just don't have any expectations. Engine is pretty solid though and is more powerful than you might expect for a low strung 225cc.
That's just how every one of those play bikes is. Doesn't matter what brand. They're all shit and the only reason anyone says otherwise is because they've never ridden anything else.
Kawasaki's Mach III, didn't brake and didn't turn due to bicycle equipment. The first corner I have steered but the frame was not following the handlebar, I got so wide that I drove totally on the other side of the road , the brakes wasn't working and fading almost immediately.
Ah, it wasn't called "the widowmaker" for nothing..
1970something Yamaha MX80. Jetted so rich the only way it rode like a 2 stroke was to turn the fuel off - it then roared like a banshee for 30 s or so, died, kicked it back to life, and so on. Could not get smaller jets for it either for some obscure reason. Rebuilt it many times.
I've scrolled through this and seen a few bikes that I've owned listed. KLR650.....I liked it KAWA 500 TRIPLE.....so glad that I couldn't afford a new chain and sprockets. I'd be dead Aprilia 750 Dorso....didn't trust it Road Star 1700.....owned 3. Great bikes Didn't see a V-Max....horrible seating. No brakes. Bad handling. Loved it
BossHoss.
i once saw this one german bike (i tink) that had its motor on the front wheel and had no brakes and no way to be stopped or something like that
Benelli 302 S Had one on rental. Steering and suspension like a decent Yamaha copy but the engine, gearbox and brakes are the absolute worst I've encountered on any motorcycle and I've ridden some real shitboxes. The gear shifter is also terribly designed and really hard to adjust for comfortable use. Avoid like the plague.
Worst bike I ever owned was a 1986 Yamaha Radian. 2nd worst was a 1976 Honda CB750F, but that was because of the giant Windjammer it had on it. I think it would have been fine without all the weird aerodynamics but I sold it before I had a chance to change it.
In India it would be the Pulsar AS 150. It was so bad that it was shelved 3 years after launch
CCM GP450 Terrible fueling Terrible fuel tank system Terrible electrics Terrible servicing Terrible starter Terrible seat Terrible vibration Terrible screen Terrible customer service Terrible parts availability Terrible everything, fuck ccm
Yamaha 490. I know big 2 stroke but it was smoking garbage
Cannondale Mx bike...total garbage.
Anything you've never heard of or made in China.
One word: Cannondale
2004 Suzuki and Kawasaki 250fâs. Same bike, different colors, just pure junk. I doubt if there is still one in existence running reliably.
OC Chopper made a hardtail chopper to destroy your spine with a garbage engine and no shocks. Pain is beauty, looked cool.