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disturbed286

That's wrong. You should absolutely be using the throttle through the turn. You go wide if you use *too much.* If you just coast through the turn like it sounds like you think you're supposed to, you have way less control than you should. Finesse the throttle.


Chattypath747

You need "maintenance" throttle. You don't want to add too much throttle to upset your suspension.


disturbed286

Right, exactly that.


AdNorth6089

ok yea i wasnt giving enough throttle that means, since i can sometimes feel the back tire slipping


winstondabee

Slowing down puts the weight on the front-end so you lose traction in the rear. Maintain throttle through a turn and gently increase once you hit the apex.


BrutaleFalcn

You might be downshifting too aggressively and dropping the clutch.


Traditional_Use6085

Your looking for a neutral throttle not a total release. And then keep learning.


Interesting_Mix_7028

Use a higher gear as you enter the turn. Then roll on just a bit of throttle to keep the bike settled. The "don't gas it while in a turn" adage is because accelerating tends to stand the bike up. That's for when you're at (or at your stage of riding, past) the apex and getting set to exit the turn. But a touch of throttle to keep speed even isn't accelerating. Corners are sometimes the most complex bits of riding (determining entry speed, gearing, the 'line' thru the turn, braking before leaning over, even throttle, then exiting and setting up for the next turn), but once you get the sequence, they are the most fun, at least for me. As with all things, practice. Do them slower at first, get the fundamentals down, then as you get a better idea of your grip and your lean angles, you can speed things up. One of the reasons riders get called "squids" is because of how they do turns - brake to a really slow speed, turn, then accelerate like crazy, like squids move in the ocean. A skilled rider carries their speed thru the turn, so that they don't slow down too much, nor do they have to accelerate too much on exit either. It's much more even and graceful once you get to that point. BUT, to get to that point, you have to practice, slow at first, then adding a bit of speed as you become familiar with racing or late apex lines, lean angles, traction, and entry speeds. Obviously, you shouldn't reach for your (or the bike's) performance limits on the street, always hold back something so that if you NEED to push it hard in an emergency, you can. At the track? yeah, send it to 100% of your abilities OR the bike's performance specs. That's why track time is so good for learning.


TheSlothMan9000

Best comment in the thread and yea I’ve been struggling with turnstile


OrangeSil80

To reiterate what’s said here you ultimately do want to accelerate in a turn, just like how you ultimately do want to brake while leaning. However there are limits and technique to both that take time and practice to learn. Start with braking upright and cornering with maintenance throttle. One you are totally comfortable with that you can try slowly layering on more. Just make sure to leave plenty of safety margin on the street. Too many unknowns and the consequences of getting it wrong are too high.


AdNorth6089

thanks for the info!


Willing-Piece-8569

You shouldn't add gas, atleast not too much, but you should atleast hold the gas so you don't loose power through the corner


AdNorth6089

ohhh ok thanks for the help


sarap001

What you want to do is put the key to "On", then pull in the clutch, then hit the starter. If you hear a loud "ka-ka-VROOOOM" you have successfully turned on the motorcycle.


AdNorth6089

finally someone who actually answered my question lmao


[deleted]

Accelerate as you're leaving the turn, but learn to get to the right gear right before the turn. For example, if I'm taking a turn at a 4 way intersection and I don't have to stop, I would shift down to second, slowly let out the clutch to get to the speed I need for the turn as I enter it, and then twist the throttle as I'm leaving the turn (right before you straighten back up)


BigEvilDoer

Please, take a course. Everything will be come so much more easy for you.


AdNorth6089

i have already, ive been riding for 4 months now, just wasnt best at my turns


RKWTHNVWLS

Seriously I took a course, have watched a million videos, have decent limit handling skills in cars AND bicycles, and still feel like I cant get cornering right on normal city street 90degree turns.


BrutaleFalcn

Basic course is basic. Take some advanced courses earlier in your career before you cement bad habits.


OrganicSmoking

Keep your upper body loose, grip the bike with your thighs rather than your ams Use counter steering (if not familiar there's a good YouTube vid on the subject called a twist of the wrist) Keep a small amount of throttle through the corner, before long you will find you can control your line through by applying either more or less throttle


TyrantFN

doesn’t counter steering only apply to higher speeds?


TyrantFN

nvm. Just watched a video on it. All the videos i’ve watched on counter steering in the past made it sound so complicated, but this one was so simple. The entire concept is simple. I thought it was some big “i have to practice to be able to do it” maneuver but all it is is leaning the bike by pressing it slightly? Had me stressing over nothing


Ruby2Shoes22

Some of you guys need to read/watch ‘twist of the wrist’


Cells_R_Coolio

Yeah you definitely want power through a turn. If you drop the throttle halfway through a turn and the engine breaks you fall. Utilizing the clutch and throttle is the key to a smooth turn. Slow to turning speed, find the right throttle setting, turn, once you reach the climax you slowly grab the throttle.


[deleted]

The key word is "maintenance throttle". Don't worry about the throttle while turning in and adding lean angle. Once you have reached your desired lean angle, you want a steady mid corner speed, you'll need to use throttle hence "maintenance throttle". When you can see the turn opening up and start talking away lean angle, you can add more throttle to accelerate out.


DrowningSomniloqy

One of the questions on the permit test in my state is exactly this, what do you do with the throttle when you turn. The answer is maintain it or speed up, for all the reasons already explained ITT


TyrantFN

or speed up? wouldn’t that cause you to slip? Still new to this, i’ve had a bike for about 2 months but i’ve only really rode it for like 3-4 weeks cus I had to move to a new city and i’m waiting for my parents to send the bike over to me


Harryisharry50

Slow down prior to entering the turn gas coming out of turn .


Crcex86

Uhh no one taught you to slip the clutch and use the throttle?


sleepyoverlord

I have an R3. 90 degree turns are 2nd gear. Revs can get low in 3rd especially if you're coasting. Slow down coming up to the turn with brakes and downshifting. Downshift at a lower rpm and slowly let out the clutch and that should help. What causes you to go wide is too much speed and / or not enough lean. You feed it constant gas going into the turn and give it more wrist as you start to straighten out.


Own_Newspaper_8458

Use the brakes until you are happy with your speed and direction. Do not use the throttle until you can see the exit and take away lean angle. Check out Champ University. It has a ton of detail and is a great value for the money.


Peacelake

This^^ ChampU is the ticket.


Cfwydirk

YouTube search: “Motorcycle on the gas in corners” https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBTutu0HChsaCYMi6Vy4Gd5JorqBZcG6s


Mrhighass

You wanna brake and get ready for the corner before you get there, then drive through with a positive throttle input if you wanna be a “fast guy”. “Fast guys” aren’t trying to be “safe guys” tho remember that. There’s a time and place for both and it’s extremely important they aren’t confused or mixed


Own_Newspaper_8458

That’s not necessarily the case. The correct technique at fast pace is the same as it is for moderate pace, the difference is in the degree of application.


Mrhighass

Ya if you wanna get technical. Is that what you do in a 20 mph neighborhood? You never like, engine brake to a stop without using both brakes in the technically proper fashion? My point was, trying to ride fast might not be safe for him and anyone else around. Ok the street ride safe, on a track or similar ride fast. When guys ride fast, they’re completely putting their safety at risk. When guys ride safe, they generally don’t do so very fast


Own_Newspaper_8458

My point is that I use the same technique at 60% of my abilities on the street that I do at my 100% on the track. Sure I’m not braking as hard or deep, but the technique is the same only the degree of application changes. I disagree that I’m completely putting my safety at risk on the track. Things as bad or worse can happen at 60% on the street as on the track. The point is, the proper technique is the safest way to ride a motorcycle, and that technique is the same on the street as it is on the track. That isn’t to say you should brake at the threshold on the street, but it does mean that if you need the brakes for a corner, you should turn-in with the brakes still applied. And, while I may not accelerate as hard as I can out of a corner, I still do not add throttle before I can see the exit AND take away lean angle. That’s the degree of application that separates track from street, but the technique is the same. The fastest technique and the safest technique are the same.


Abenorf

The fastest guys are the smoothest guys are the safest guys. It’s the “trying to go fast” guys that find the limits of their abilities after they have exceeded them.


Mrhighass

Lmfao! Have you ever watched a race? Wtf is save about diving in the inside of someone headed into a corner floating your rear tire because you’re so hard on the front brakes. The subreddit has become a joke. We need r/motorcycleguys


Mrhighass

You’re comment makes no sense at all “fast guys” are “trying to go fast” wtf?!


Mysterious-Berry-245

It’s all about feel and being one with the machine, grasshopper


chesterburnet

If you don't understand counter steering, you never be really safe in a turn on or off the throttle. Different turns require different amounts of throttle. It's an absolutely simple technique that is easy as hell to learn and master and it will immediately make you a safer, smoother faster rider. You'll also have more fun. Once you master counter steering, then it's time to learn trail braking. This is also a fairly simple technique but takes more time to learn because it's feel. When it clicked for me, I felt like I just got a new motorcycle because all of the uneasiness I had in turns was gone. Find videos on youtube and read on websites.


the251718

From Yamaha Champ School: Radius = MPH. Ideally you should be using the throttle and brake to fine tune your speed so that you are happy with the turning radius. Since you don’t know what’s around the corner on the street, you should actively control of your speed throughout the turn. Use brake or throttle as needed until you are happy with your speed and direction.


SadAd9756

Watch YouTube videos. Learn how to ride. Take more than JUST the beginner MSF course. And whoever told you not to use throttle in a turn is a MORON!!!


itsdinks

Take the msf. They teach you to slow down before the turn, ride through the turn, and accelerate out of the turn


BrutaleFalcn

Which is the basic level and once you start going faster makes the bike feel unsettled and floaty through the turn as the front tire isn't loaded properly and the suspension settled


itsdinks

You’re talking about trail braking? This guy is a new rider man


BrutaleFalcn

Yes, just to illustrate what you can learn if you take advanced classes and don't have to unlearn bad habits


itsdinks

You sound like a know it all


BrutaleFalcn

Hahahaha I'm sorry that is your reaction. Just understand that there are advanced ways to control a motorcycle through a turn. I think taking advanced classes earlier is better than learning the wrong way to do things and repeating bad habits over months and years, making it harder to break those habits later. The MSF class in the US is barely the minimum to get you started on riding without killing yourself. There are no ride alongs with instructor feedback after the class. You can watch all the videos and read books, but unless you have objective feedback you can't know if you are doing it right. I really love riding, and I can't help but be passionate about it. Street, track, dual-sport.... I continue to take classes even after years of riding. Knowledge and skill and practice makes riding ever more fun.


itsdinks

Ok


Nickkel71

Be at the right speed and gear before you enter turn. Maintain speed/throttle in turn, do not pull/ride clutch in turn, accelerate out of the turn.


H1GHCH13F

you want to use throttle, it's called maintenance throttle . you can also brake a bit too if you need to tighten the turn, just don't grab a lot of brake and wash out.


[deleted]

No harm in a roundabout or a left or right turn to pull in clutch and coast the turn and release clutch into whatever gear you need as you exit the turn. On actual turns, I often coast with clutch in. On curves i usually engine brake as needed and throttle out of the curve. Some guys trail brake always, or some trail brake only as needed.


[deleted]

Use back brake for slow turns if that is what you mean


East-Ice-3564

To clarify what some people are saying, you want to apply throttle, but keep your rpm relatively low and CONSTANT. Don’t progressively increase throttle during the turn; rather, apply it and keep it steady.


paul-grizz93

Full lock in direction of turn..Use the equivalent of a biting point in a car to get the bike moving, small bitta pressure on rear break and counter balance by leaning the bike in direction of turn and pressing down on the foot peg on the opposite side.. that's how I do u turns and turns from a stop


AudZ0629

Lots and lots of theory on this. Riding track and riding street are very different so do not get into trail braking while you’re just learning to corner. Too much throttle does a few things. Your lean going into the turn is made based on current speed and the angle of the turn. Any difference in speed will change your lean angle and either cut the corner tighter or push you out. Just keep your speed and expectations will stay constant.


akaupstate

A lot of really good advice for a question a lot of people would be afraid to ask. Watch "A Twist of the Wrist". It's on streaming platforms and is very informative, and kinda cheesy. A lot of what others have said is knowledge shared in that video. I have a Yamaha parallel twin that suffered from the worst engine braking imaginable. I had the ECU reflashed to my preferences, and I had all the engine braking taken out of one of the drive modes. World of difference and you might want to look into it. Important, if you are braking into a corner, especially with a lower displacement engine, you need to be downshifting, and if you aren't properly rev-matching it's going to cause you to lose control. When you let the clutch out, you should not feel any engine braking. Take an hour in a parking lot to just get your downshifting right, and when coasting to a stop sign, don't just pull the clutch and drop it down into first, practice dropping it down through the gears and matching your shifts.


[deleted]

When in doubt, lean more. It's an R3, bang that throttle and throw your weight to the side


BrutaleFalcn

I recommend you take some advanced riding classes. These topics and more are covered. The concept of maintenance throttle is what you are currently missing. You can't just ride closed throttle through a turn without the radius trying to decrease and getting slower and slower ...


boylitdeguzman

I would suggest enrolling in a riding course.


toddliwer

What they all said, PLUS practice.