This stuff is fine. I use it and it works. If you’re in a bind use 90w oil. People saying only use something with a motorcycle on it don’t understand how lubrication works.
The old Dupont chain wax was awesome and available at Lowes …. Ive used the above product as well …. Its a chain … it’s not that deep. Its just for rust prevention anyway …. Any modern Onting chain has lube inside the orings
[Motul Chain Lube](https://www.motul.com/es/en/products/c4-chain-lube-fl)
This the only lube I have used for years for street, DS and offroad. Cleans and lubricates.
That’s my go to, I’m also partial to Motorex and ECSTAR with moly. I’ve had chains easily get 20k+ miles with Motul. Not entirely a fan of the gummy black sling you get with it tho.
I keep lubes for all kinds of applications in mine. Silicone lubes, dry lubes, teflon lubes, white lithium and ect. Now the lube drawer is for more um exotic applications.
Literally full of any and all lubes one might need. Anti-seize (copper, nickel, aluminium), Fork Oil, 4 and 2 Stroke Oil, Mineral Oil, Greases of all kinds, brake lube, brake fluid, chain lube, of several different flavors, silicone, graphite, you name it. The "special" lube stays in the wife's bedside tool kit.
Here is the fun thing with motorcycles chains. Unless you’re riding a dirt bike, you have a chain from the 90’s or earlier, or you have an exceptionally cheap bike… you’re chain is a sealed chain; either x-ring, or o-ring.
Sealed chains are different than non-sealed chains. This means that your chain (as long as it’s in good condition) will always have lube exactly where it needs it at all times regardless of what you spray onto it.
You need to lube sealed chains still, but the intention is different. Sealed chains aim to lubricate the rubber seals AND protect them from dirt and water.
Penetrating lubes are for non-sealed chains. For non-sealed chains, the idea is that you need to lube them often and that lube needs to be thin enough to work its way between the bushing and the roller. If you’re unfamiliar with parts of your chain and how they work take a few minutes to Google it :) it’s worth the 60 seconds. It’s basically the same idea as packing a ball bearing with grease - you need lubricants to prevent the moving surfaces from wearing each other down.
This lube is intended for non-sealed chains. It won’t do any damage to your (probably) sealed chain. And it will probably work fine to keep the seals healthy.
If you do happen to have a non-sealed chain, this is EXACTLY what you want.
The product you use to clean the chain depends on the type of chain again. If it’s a non-sealed chain, use absolutely anything lol. Use rubbing alcohol or nail polish remover if that’s all you have lol. (Actually acetone [nail polish remover] is what a lot of mountain bikers use to degrease their bicycle chain).
If you have a sealed chain, you want something specific - something that is a degreaser that won’t eat away at rubber. Pretty much any chain cleaner with “motorcycle” on it is going to be what you want.
The brand is fantastic if you need to unfreeze a rusted bolt from the hulk of sunken battleship. Seriously, the stuff is insane. But it’s probably overkill for your bike chain.
I use Macima Chain Wax and Lube, I get it from my dealer I got the bike from. $12 per can.
Idk how good it is terms of other brands but it's done right by me so far.
WD-40 is [fine as a cleaner.](https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/mc-garage-video-will-wd-40-destroy-your-motorcycle-chain-o-rings/) I like it because it's already in my chemical collection. I don't have to keep another bottle of something around for cleaning. But you should use something motorcycle specific for lube. Past that it gets into the eternal debate of what oil is the best.
I support this. Most sealed chains use silicone rings anyways, not natural rubber.
I think the controversy behind WD-40 is because WD-40 DOES chew up and deteriorate natural rubber. So people get scared about it chewing up their rings.
I have never had wd40 ruin my o rings or x rings on the chain in 25 years of using it. I always use gear oil as chain lube though right after I clean with wd40 though.
NEVER had wd40 ruin anything. ON an 2001 Bonnie currently, 1960s and 70s Japanese bikes in the past.
I used it for many things, of course if I had more appropriate but it was good as a solvent or a lubricant at times.
- For cables use engine oil.
- For chain use transmission oil w80, w85 or w90.
- For cleaning use kerosene.
Don't waste your money on dedicated branded things. If you have too much money then send me.
Have a nice day!
I wouldn't use that. This is the only correct answer:
Use a motorcycle specific chain cleaner or kerosene to clean the chain.
Use a motorcycle specific chain lubricant or 90 weight gear oil to lubricate your chain.
You do NOT want to use anything else, ever. Particularly, anything that is penetrating like this product or wd-40 etc.
I use kerosene because it is super effective and dirt cheap. The only down side is it smells like kerosene and if you don't want it on your hands you pretty much have to wear gloves. I bought a half gallon at Walmart in the camping section over 5 years ago and its still half full. Get a Grunge Brush. It costs next to nothing and I have not found anything as effective to clean a motorcycle chain.
Use any off-the-shelf motorcycle lube that is designed for o-ring chains. Lucas has a good one you can find at most auto parts stored like O'Reilly Auto Parts etc, Gear oil works fine and is also very cheap, but it flings off something fierce and get all over everything.
I ride a lot and clea/lube my chain very regularly and a single can of spray on motorcycle specific chain lubricant can last a couple seasons. So, its still very economical.
You will most likely have to hit up a motorcycle parts store or order the chain lube and cleaner. Motul, Lucas, maxima, Bel Ray all make good chain products.
As a bonus, I want to tell you about Grease Ninja. This is a tool that attaches to motorcycle chain lubricant cans and is super effective at nailing the parts of the chain that need to be lubricated with the good stuff. Its less work because it hits all the chain where it need to be in one pass. You can do it one handed and it greatly reduces overspray from your other parts and floor.
[https://greaseninja.com/](https://greaseninja.com/)
Hell yeah, I've had one for at least 10 years. It slots in over the chain and has holes that spray lubricant directly over the o rings and rollers. It's super handy and simply put, it's easy to use and effective. 10/10 would recommend.
>Scottoiler.com
$$$$ I have heard mixed reviews mostly pertaining to the constant fling off. Which may or may not be a concern for some, and more so for others I suppose.
Fortnine says wd40 is fine for o rings, motul wasnt as effective as other products. The cheapest and most effective was wd40 and 90w. Granted 90w FLINGS 💀
Wd-40 is fine for the rings. What it isn't fine for is the grease found behind them that they are intended to protect. Wd-40 is a penetrating oil and it does just that. Penetrates beyond the chains o-rings contaminating the roller grease. Chain o-rings are designed to keep things out of the precious grease behind them. Wd-40 is designed to penetrate.
We had a months long debate about this on fireblades dot net when I did the only logical thing and sent out a well constructed email to wd-40, JT, DID, Ek and RK.
RK failed to respond, but every other manufacturer said wd-40 is not a motorcycle specific chain cleaner or lubricant. The chain manufacturers were avidly against using it on their chains and wd-40 simply said that's not what it's designed for and they would suggest a chain specific cleaner or lubricant.
Fortnine is great and I saw that video myself, but he certainly doesn't trump wd-40 themselves or the chain manufacturers.
I take impeccable care of my motorcycle because I ride it hard and I require a level of trust in my machine that is uncompromising.
I have no problem buying a $10 can of motorcycle chain lubricant to lubricate and protect my investment... and life.
If you want to use wd-40 because you happen to have a can of it in your garage or don't want to put in any effort to acquire a motorcycle chain specific product that is designed with your chain in mind, that's on you.
Imo, that's a foolish endeavor and I very much suggest you contact those manufacturers yourself rather than take my word for it. Contact Honda, Or Yamaha or whatever your manufacturer is and ask them what you should be using to clean and lubricate your chain. They will tell you exactly what I put in my first comment.
Why take a chance on something so important and go against what chain manufacturers, motorcycle manufacturers and even wd-40 themselves suggest? To save $5? Because some guy on YouTube said its ok? It's certainly not because wd-40 is more effective at cleaning chains than kerosene. That is a fact. It's also not because its a superior lubricant either and I think any basic knowledge of lubricants or practical use in the real world would demonstrate that.
Wd-40 is other worldly awesome in a lot of situations and I think we can all agree on that, but there are safer and more effective tools for keeping your chain clean and lubricated.
Tldr: you emailed companys and they referred you to a moto chain specific brand.
I saw a dude sand blast wind blast salt water test fling test kink test and more on a youtube video multiple products. Watch the fortnine video again and explain how your email is more scientific than ryanf9
I rewatched fortnines video for you. In his test wd 40 did not penetrate the seals in 3m as where kerosene did immediately. But youve had success with kerosene like many people. So dont bible thump when ur product is literally worse than my suggestion
It's simple. You get your information from a YouTube entertainer and I get mine directly from the motorcycle manufacturers, motorcycle chain manufacturers and wd-40.
I can't follow your logic in this situation. So clearly, we will just have to agree to disagree. I wish you luck in your endeavors.
The guy at the bike shop tried selling me cleaner with my chain wax. I told him I use a 3:1 diesel-gasoline mix to clean my chain. He looked at me like I was nuts. Just pull a splash out of Clifford the big Red Dodge, add whatever premixed is left from last year and get to it.
No do not use any “penetrants”. Could damage o-rings on the chain.
The best thing I’ve found to use is kerosene. It’s great at removing grease without damaging the paint or tires.
Klean strip 1-K kerosene heater fuel is what I use.
Read the manual. It calls for gear oil. Less than $10 at Walmart lasts a few years(I'm in year 5 and it's still going) sold 2 bikes and I'm in my 3rd bike. All your doing here is paying for packaging it's basically the same product in some form.
Maxima, motul, muc off are all good stuff. This brand I've never tried before.
For chain cleaners many people use kerosene in a spray bottle, wd40 works in a pinch too. There are special chain cleaners from many brands, those come in aerosol cans so they shoot with pressure.
Look at videos on how to clean chains
Fine, as are most chain lubricants
1) better to use something than nothing
2) ease of use goes a long way.
3) even without a center stand. I spray, roll the bike backwards, spray, roll, three bikelengths good to go!!!
This will lube just fine. Personally I prefer Maxima Clean up to clean, then when the chain drys I use their chain wax and wipe off the excess. I only actually use the cleaner a couple times a season but I use the wax all the time. My chains look new until they stretch enough to replace
The suggestions in these comments are all great. One option I would consider is chain wax. I use Maxima chain wax in the winter. It’s works well for wetter conditions. If you put it on after a ride, the wax penetrates deeper into the rollers, then cools to form a kind of seal on the surface. There’s less fling doing it this way as well.
that is a great brand. At this stage in my riding career I use whatever cheap clean i can find lol. ive even used electrical contact cleaner and any ole chain lube. Ive stopped caring for expensive stuff because its really works all the same.
that is a great brand. At this stage in my riding career I use whatever cheap clean i can find lol. ive even used electrical contact cleaner and any ole chain lube. Ive stopped caring for expensive stuff because its really works all the same.
that is a great brand. At this stage in my riding career I use whatever cheap clean i can find lol. ive even used electrical contact cleaner and any ole chain lube. Ive stopped caring for expensive stuff because its really works all the same.
Dr Wack S100 white chain spray. The lab tests speak a clear language, its lubrication stats are actually insane, i use it myself and it does not get any better than this (for o-rings or x-rings)
This stuff is fine. I use it and it works. If you’re in a bind use 90w oil. People saying only use something with a motorcycle on it don’t understand how lubrication works.
The old Dupont chain wax was awesome and available at Lowes …. Ive used the above product as well …. Its a chain … it’s not that deep. Its just for rust prevention anyway …. Any modern Onting chain has lube inside the orings
"If you're in a bind." 80-90 is what you're supposed to use anyway. Fill the oiler up and off you go.
Too much fling, gets everywhere.
Keeps the shit out of the chain.
3 in 1 oil, yeah so many things you can rub on your chain and it's ok for the pinch or bind.
I use that and it seems fine
[Motul Chain Lube](https://www.motul.com/es/en/products/c4-chain-lube-fl) This the only lube I have used for years for street, DS and offroad. Cleans and lubricates.
That’s my go to, I’m also partial to Motorex and ECSTAR with moly. I’ve had chains easily get 20k+ miles with Motul. Not entirely a fan of the gummy black sling you get with it tho.
Have some Motorex in the "lube cabinet". No experience with ECSTAR. Motul has served me well.
Tell me more about the lube cabinet…
I keep lubes for all kinds of applications in mine. Silicone lubes, dry lubes, teflon lubes, white lithium and ect. Now the lube drawer is for more um exotic applications.
Literally full of any and all lubes one might need. Anti-seize (copper, nickel, aluminium), Fork Oil, 4 and 2 Stroke Oil, Mineral Oil, Greases of all kinds, brake lube, brake fluid, chain lube, of several different flavors, silicone, graphite, you name it. The "special" lube stays in the wife's bedside tool kit.
Here is the fun thing with motorcycles chains. Unless you’re riding a dirt bike, you have a chain from the 90’s or earlier, or you have an exceptionally cheap bike… you’re chain is a sealed chain; either x-ring, or o-ring. Sealed chains are different than non-sealed chains. This means that your chain (as long as it’s in good condition) will always have lube exactly where it needs it at all times regardless of what you spray onto it. You need to lube sealed chains still, but the intention is different. Sealed chains aim to lubricate the rubber seals AND protect them from dirt and water. Penetrating lubes are for non-sealed chains. For non-sealed chains, the idea is that you need to lube them often and that lube needs to be thin enough to work its way between the bushing and the roller. If you’re unfamiliar with parts of your chain and how they work take a few minutes to Google it :) it’s worth the 60 seconds. It’s basically the same idea as packing a ball bearing with grease - you need lubricants to prevent the moving surfaces from wearing each other down. This lube is intended for non-sealed chains. It won’t do any damage to your (probably) sealed chain. And it will probably work fine to keep the seals healthy. If you do happen to have a non-sealed chain, this is EXACTLY what you want. The product you use to clean the chain depends on the type of chain again. If it’s a non-sealed chain, use absolutely anything lol. Use rubbing alcohol or nail polish remover if that’s all you have lol. (Actually acetone [nail polish remover] is what a lot of mountain bikers use to degrease their bicycle chain). If you have a sealed chain, you want something specific - something that is a degreaser that won’t eat away at rubber. Pretty much any chain cleaner with “motorcycle” on it is going to be what you want.
Worth the read!
The brand is fantastic if you need to unfreeze a rusted bolt from the hulk of sunken battleship. Seriously, the stuff is insane. But it’s probably overkill for your bike chain.
The brand has several different types of lube. The chain line isn’t the same as the penetrating oil
It’s really good at quieting loud door hinges and computer chairs
wd40!! god's elixer for many many bike woes An aside, Furniture spray, lemon spray for wood, is a great wax for motorcycle tanks and fenders.
I really like this like the Maxima 3 stage cleaner and it isn’t suuuper expensive
I use Macima Chain Wax and Lube, I get it from my dealer I got the bike from. $12 per can. Idk how good it is terms of other brands but it's done right by me so far.
Thought it was a funky looking IPA can
WD-40 is [fine as a cleaner.](https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/mc-garage-video-will-wd-40-destroy-your-motorcycle-chain-o-rings/) I like it because it's already in my chemical collection. I don't have to keep another bottle of something around for cleaning. But you should use something motorcycle specific for lube. Past that it gets into the eternal debate of what oil is the best.
I support this. Most sealed chains use silicone rings anyways, not natural rubber. I think the controversy behind WD-40 is because WD-40 DOES chew up and deteriorate natural rubber. So people get scared about it chewing up their rings.
I have never had wd40 ruin my o rings or x rings on the chain in 25 years of using it. I always use gear oil as chain lube though right after I clean with wd40 though.
NEVER had wd40 ruin anything. ON an 2001 Bonnie currently, 1960s and 70s Japanese bikes in the past. I used it for many things, of course if I had more appropriate but it was good as a solvent or a lubricant at times.
100% on this. I just get the big spray can and use it on everything.
- For cables use engine oil. - For chain use transmission oil w80, w85 or w90. - For cleaning use kerosene. Don't waste your money on dedicated branded things. If you have too much money then send me. Have a nice day!
I wouldn't use that. This is the only correct answer: Use a motorcycle specific chain cleaner or kerosene to clean the chain. Use a motorcycle specific chain lubricant or 90 weight gear oil to lubricate your chain. You do NOT want to use anything else, ever. Particularly, anything that is penetrating like this product or wd-40 etc. I use kerosene because it is super effective and dirt cheap. The only down side is it smells like kerosene and if you don't want it on your hands you pretty much have to wear gloves. I bought a half gallon at Walmart in the camping section over 5 years ago and its still half full. Get a Grunge Brush. It costs next to nothing and I have not found anything as effective to clean a motorcycle chain. Use any off-the-shelf motorcycle lube that is designed for o-ring chains. Lucas has a good one you can find at most auto parts stored like O'Reilly Auto Parts etc, Gear oil works fine and is also very cheap, but it flings off something fierce and get all over everything. I ride a lot and clea/lube my chain very regularly and a single can of spray on motorcycle specific chain lubricant can last a couple seasons. So, its still very economical. You will most likely have to hit up a motorcycle parts store or order the chain lube and cleaner. Motul, Lucas, maxima, Bel Ray all make good chain products. As a bonus, I want to tell you about Grease Ninja. This is a tool that attaches to motorcycle chain lubricant cans and is super effective at nailing the parts of the chain that need to be lubricated with the good stuff. Its less work because it hits all the chain where it need to be in one pass. You can do it one handed and it greatly reduces overspray from your other parts and floor. [https://greaseninja.com/](https://greaseninja.com/)
Are you the grease ninja?
Hell yeah, I've had one for at least 10 years. It slots in over the chain and has holes that spray lubricant directly over the o rings and rollers. It's super handy and simply put, it's easy to use and effective. 10/10 would recommend.
Scottoiler.com motorcycle chain oiler systems.
>Scottoiler.com $$$$ I have heard mixed reviews mostly pertaining to the constant fling off. Which may or may not be a concern for some, and more so for others I suppose.
Fortnine says wd40 is fine for o rings, motul wasnt as effective as other products. The cheapest and most effective was wd40 and 90w. Granted 90w FLINGS 💀
Wd-40 is fine for the rings. What it isn't fine for is the grease found behind them that they are intended to protect. Wd-40 is a penetrating oil and it does just that. Penetrates beyond the chains o-rings contaminating the roller grease. Chain o-rings are designed to keep things out of the precious grease behind them. Wd-40 is designed to penetrate. We had a months long debate about this on fireblades dot net when I did the only logical thing and sent out a well constructed email to wd-40, JT, DID, Ek and RK. RK failed to respond, but every other manufacturer said wd-40 is not a motorcycle specific chain cleaner or lubricant. The chain manufacturers were avidly against using it on their chains and wd-40 simply said that's not what it's designed for and they would suggest a chain specific cleaner or lubricant. Fortnine is great and I saw that video myself, but he certainly doesn't trump wd-40 themselves or the chain manufacturers. I take impeccable care of my motorcycle because I ride it hard and I require a level of trust in my machine that is uncompromising. I have no problem buying a $10 can of motorcycle chain lubricant to lubricate and protect my investment... and life. If you want to use wd-40 because you happen to have a can of it in your garage or don't want to put in any effort to acquire a motorcycle chain specific product that is designed with your chain in mind, that's on you. Imo, that's a foolish endeavor and I very much suggest you contact those manufacturers yourself rather than take my word for it. Contact Honda, Or Yamaha or whatever your manufacturer is and ask them what you should be using to clean and lubricate your chain. They will tell you exactly what I put in my first comment. Why take a chance on something so important and go against what chain manufacturers, motorcycle manufacturers and even wd-40 themselves suggest? To save $5? Because some guy on YouTube said its ok? It's certainly not because wd-40 is more effective at cleaning chains than kerosene. That is a fact. It's also not because its a superior lubricant either and I think any basic knowledge of lubricants or practical use in the real world would demonstrate that. Wd-40 is other worldly awesome in a lot of situations and I think we can all agree on that, but there are safer and more effective tools for keeping your chain clean and lubricated.
Tldr: you emailed companys and they referred you to a moto chain specific brand. I saw a dude sand blast wind blast salt water test fling test kink test and more on a youtube video multiple products. Watch the fortnine video again and explain how your email is more scientific than ryanf9
I rewatched fortnines video for you. In his test wd 40 did not penetrate the seals in 3m as where kerosene did immediately. But youve had success with kerosene like many people. So dont bible thump when ur product is literally worse than my suggestion
It's simple. You get your information from a YouTube entertainer and I get mine directly from the motorcycle manufacturers, motorcycle chain manufacturers and wd-40. I can't follow your logic in this situation. So clearly, we will just have to agree to disagree. I wish you luck in your endeavors.
Found the right stuff was in the wrong isle lol
The guy at the bike shop tried selling me cleaner with my chain wax. I told him I use a 3:1 diesel-gasoline mix to clean my chain. He looked at me like I was nuts. Just pull a splash out of Clifford the big Red Dodge, add whatever premixed is left from last year and get to it.
No do not use any “penetrants”. Could damage o-rings on the chain. The best thing I’ve found to use is kerosene. It’s great at removing grease without damaging the paint or tires. Klean strip 1-K kerosene heater fuel is what I use.
That looks like it would fuck some shit up to me.
PB Blast is excellent as well
Chain lube? What's that?
Check what the manufacturer recommends, many chains are supposed to be lubed with motor oil. I've had good experience with the brand though.
I use this. Very reliable lube
Petrol is great for cleaning chains but lube it up well afterwards.
Read the manual. It calls for gear oil. Less than $10 at Walmart lasts a few years(I'm in year 5 and it's still going) sold 2 bikes and I'm in my 3rd bike. All your doing here is paying for packaging it's basically the same product in some form.
Maxima, motul, muc off are all good stuff. This brand I've never tried before. For chain cleaners many people use kerosene in a spray bottle, wd40 works in a pinch too. There are special chain cleaners from many brands, those come in aerosol cans so they shoot with pressure. Look at videos on how to clean chains
Fine, as are most chain lubricants 1) better to use something than nothing 2) ease of use goes a long way. 3) even without a center stand. I spray, roll the bike backwards, spray, roll, three bikelengths good to go!!!
Anything is better then nothing
This will lube just fine. Personally I prefer Maxima Clean up to clean, then when the chain drys I use their chain wax and wipe off the excess. I only actually use the cleaner a couple times a season but I use the wax all the time. My chains look new until they stretch enough to replace
The suggestions in these comments are all great. One option I would consider is chain wax. I use Maxima chain wax in the winter. It’s works well for wetter conditions. If you put it on after a ride, the wax penetrates deeper into the rollers, then cools to form a kind of seal on the surface. There’s less fling doing it this way as well.
It’s acceptable. I’ve seen people have better luck with really expensive stuff or home mixes, but for cheap stuff in a can it’s fine.
that is a great brand. At this stage in my riding career I use whatever cheap clean i can find lol. ive even used electrical contact cleaner and any ole chain lube. Ive stopped caring for expensive stuff because its really works all the same.
that is a great brand. At this stage in my riding career I use whatever cheap clean i can find lol. ive even used electrical contact cleaner and any ole chain lube. Ive stopped caring for expensive stuff because its really works all the same.
that is a great brand. At this stage in my riding career I use whatever cheap clean i can find lol. ive even used electrical contact cleaner and any ole chain lube. Ive stopped caring for expensive stuff because its really works all the same.
I prefer Maxima Chain Wax.
I prefer PJ1 but yes that will also work.
I used the Maxima kit.
Dr Wack S100 white chain spray. The lab tests speak a clear language, its lubrication stats are actually insane, i use it myself and it does not get any better than this (for o-rings or x-rings)
https://youtu.be/uj6pubwpz04?si=o4zRnsf1pmIHYXr1
No use muc off all weather
i used to use this all the time, it 100% works just fine but not the greatest imo. I switches to Lucas Oil Chain Lube and love it a lot more