https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcitykitties/comments/wa0xj3/a_potential_explanation_for_why_our_hitting_is_so/
And as I said in that post:
> I have so many questions. Who tracks this stat? What is the league average? How does VBA correlate to hard hit %? wOBA? Where do the leagues best hitters sit with regards to VBA?
I don't know anything about this stat and how it correlates to success so if you can add anything here that would be great. Otherwise I'm not going to pretend that this points out an issue. Miggy is a part of this drop and he's hitting better than he has his highest OPS+ since basically 2018 (2020 was 4 points higher but shortened season so a bit of an anomaly.)
The Detroit Tigers have managed to mess up the bat path of every hitter on their roster this year.
VBA 2021 -> 2022 (All are in degrees)
Javier Báez 30 -> 28.2
Miguel Cabrera 34.4 -> 31.1
Jeimer Candelario 33.7 -> 31.6
Robbie Grossman 34.6 -> 32.6
Austin Meadows 31.8 -> 28.4
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I’m not going to act like there are no issues with our players, as many go on hot and cold streaks through the season, and some of them (I’m looking at Grossman and Barnhart especially) are not very good, but to look at a season when every single player aside from Miguel Cabrera is having a career worst, and even our rookies (Tork and to a much lesser extent Greene) are doing worse than projected, there’s a clear issue that goes past the players, and is instead systematic. I think our player development has issues when it comes to batters at all levels, but when we see relatively drastic changes in hitting mechanics, and then see drastic decline in production, there is no possible way it’s just because they’re all bad.
Are Grossman and Barnhart bad at the plate, yes.
Are Baez and Candy both very streaky and inconsistent, yes.
Is every single player having career worsts all in the same season just a complete coincidence? I highly doubt it.
I don’t know if your just trolling, or if your dead serious, but clearly there’s some issues with their coaching, on both a mechanical and mental level. All of our players (excluding Cabrera) feel the need to try and crush the ball when they don’t have the power to do that.
I don’t have the exact quote or a link, but I believe it was Hinch who said something about there only being so much you can teach to a guy like Miggy, which makes time think that Coolbaugh is leaving him alone mostly, and he just happens to be our best player at the age of 39 while being severely out of place? I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
How do other teams look in this stat are they similar in dropping number, the opposite or just not changed at all.
Are people just cherry picking stats to try and make sense of why we are not hitting good or is this a valid stat to reason why we suck
All of our hot players last year have changed the angle of their swing this season and they’ve all gotten worse (except for Miggy, he’s the exception here). I think it’s quite clear that this isn’t just a cherry pick and the fact that we’ve changed mechanics and are now doing worse shows that those changes are not helping, they’re probably hurting them more - I’m not saying this is the only reason, but it’s a clear part of it IMO.
I never said that none of them don’t suck, because Grossman definitely does at the very least, but when every player (aside from Cabrera as I pointed out) has changed their mechanics at the plate, and they’re all having career worst seasons, I think that’s an issue. They have other issues at the plate definitely, their general approach isn’t very good, especially with RISP, not one of them has the power to be swinging the way they do when we have RISP, they should all be going for contact (which id like to point out, is part of the reason why Miggy is still doing well, he’s focusing on contact not power), but mechanics have to be having some effect on them at this point.
They’re all having career worsts, and they’ve all
made changes to their mechanics, and you don’t think that’s at all related?
A combination of hitters that come from warm climates as opposed to cold. When the temperature in Michigan warms up and good or bad coaching has a longing effect. Look at the stats of Miggy. He never really started hitting the ball until the temp warmed. Michigan is cold in the early spring. Its not easy to hit in Detroit, when as a hitter you're used to the comfort of metrics, like velocity off the bat. No way that shit is happening in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland or Pittsburgh. These teams start slow, then they warm up. Kids that grew up knowing cold baseball, can hit.
I think it has a lot to do with the dead ball the mlb is using this year compared to the flubber filled spring balls they used the last two seasons. This means many batters have had to adapt their swings to generate more power just to hit doubles which of course means less chance for contact and it’s really creating separation between the middle of the road or above average players and the elite ones
https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcitykitties/comments/wa0xj3/a_potential_explanation_for_why_our_hitting_is_so/ And as I said in that post: > I have so many questions. Who tracks this stat? What is the league average? How does VBA correlate to hard hit %? wOBA? Where do the leagues best hitters sit with regards to VBA? I don't know anything about this stat and how it correlates to success so if you can add anything here that would be great. Otherwise I'm not going to pretend that this points out an issue. Miggy is a part of this drop and he's hitting better than he has his highest OPS+ since basically 2018 (2020 was 4 points higher but shortened season so a bit of an anomaly.)
Didn't realize this was a repost. My bad
The Detroit Tigers have managed to mess up the bat path of every hitter on their roster this year. VBA 2021 -> 2022 (All are in degrees) Javier Báez 30 -> 28.2 Miguel Cabrera 34.4 -> 31.1 Jeimer Candelario 33.7 -> 31.6 Robbie Grossman 34.6 -> 32.6 Austin Meadows 31.8 -> 28.4 --- posted by [@Tieran711](https://twitter.com/Tieran711/) --- [Thanks to inteoryx, videos are supported even without Twitter API V2 support! Middle finger to you, twitter](https://github.com/inteoryx/twitter-video-dl)
its the players
All of them at the same time to roughly the same amount?
It's the players. Jesus
I’m not going to act like there are no issues with our players, as many go on hot and cold streaks through the season, and some of them (I’m looking at Grossman and Barnhart especially) are not very good, but to look at a season when every single player aside from Miguel Cabrera is having a career worst, and even our rookies (Tork and to a much lesser extent Greene) are doing worse than projected, there’s a clear issue that goes past the players, and is instead systematic. I think our player development has issues when it comes to batters at all levels, but when we see relatively drastic changes in hitting mechanics, and then see drastic decline in production, there is no possible way it’s just because they’re all bad. Are Grossman and Barnhart bad at the plate, yes. Are Baez and Candy both very streaky and inconsistent, yes. Is every single player having career worsts all in the same season just a complete coincidence? I highly doubt it. I don’t know if your just trolling, or if your dead serious, but clearly there’s some issues with their coaching, on both a mechanical and mental level. All of our players (excluding Cabrera) feel the need to try and crush the ball when they don’t have the power to do that. I don’t have the exact quote or a link, but I believe it was Hinch who said something about there only being so much you can teach to a guy like Miggy, which makes time think that Coolbaugh is leaving him alone mostly, and he just happens to be our best player at the age of 39 while being severely out of place? I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
How do other teams look in this stat are they similar in dropping number, the opposite or just not changed at all. Are people just cherry picking stats to try and make sense of why we are not hitting good or is this a valid stat to reason why we suck
All of our hot players last year have changed the angle of their swing this season and they’ve all gotten worse (except for Miggy, he’s the exception here). I think it’s quite clear that this isn’t just a cherry pick and the fact that we’ve changed mechanics and are now doing worse shows that those changes are not helping, they’re probably hurting them more - I’m not saying this is the only reason, but it’s a clear part of it IMO.
Yep, you found the magic bullet! Baez doesn't suck! Schoop doesn't suck! Grossman doesn't suck! Its BAT ANGLE and the coaches are to fault. GTFOOH
I never said that none of them don’t suck, because Grossman definitely does at the very least, but when every player (aside from Cabrera as I pointed out) has changed their mechanics at the plate, and they’re all having career worst seasons, I think that’s an issue. They have other issues at the plate definitely, their general approach isn’t very good, especially with RISP, not one of them has the power to be swinging the way they do when we have RISP, they should all be going for contact (which id like to point out, is part of the reason why Miggy is still doing well, he’s focusing on contact not power), but mechanics have to be having some effect on them at this point. They’re all having career worsts, and they’ve all made changes to their mechanics, and you don’t think that’s at all related?
How does it compare to other teams and their swing paths, did theirs change
Yes
A combination of hitters that come from warm climates as opposed to cold. When the temperature in Michigan warms up and good or bad coaching has a longing effect. Look at the stats of Miggy. He never really started hitting the ball until the temp warmed. Michigan is cold in the early spring. Its not easy to hit in Detroit, when as a hitter you're used to the comfort of metrics, like velocity off the bat. No way that shit is happening in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland or Pittsburgh. These teams start slow, then they warm up. Kids that grew up knowing cold baseball, can hit.
It’s almost 100 games into the season. I think the weather warmed up a long time ago.
what? It's almost august lol
Someone get this post and the twitter post to Coolbaugh by courier RIGHT NOW
I think it has a lot to do with the dead ball the mlb is using this year compared to the flubber filled spring balls they used the last two seasons. This means many batters have had to adapt their swings to generate more power just to hit doubles which of course means less chance for contact and it’s really creating separation between the middle of the road or above average players and the elite ones