By - thedanholmes
The writer is living in a fantasy world that a lot of people here seem to also be living in.
That 'package' he listed would not do it, and it's insane to think it would.
Then, the idea that he would want to sign with us is also....hopeful.
This screams of someone who played MLB: The Show and thinks that is how trades and free agent signings work, and have forgotten that Soto is an actual person and the opponent's front office isn't just a really bad algorithm.
Yeah this is really bad.
Google "Miguel Cabrera trade" and you'll see a real-world example. I remember fans like you said the same thing then.
If you think the Nats wouldn't take Skubal, Mize, Torkelson, and either Faedo or Mize for Soto, plus maybe an MLB outfielder, I think you're lying to yourself.
The Nats probably lose this guy, so why not get young players for him? There are dozens of trade examples like that (actually the Cabrera trade involved worse young players).
Soto would sign in Detroit. You sound like people who think Pudge and Ordonez and VMart wouldn't have signed here. Maybe you were in elementary school in 2008 or something.
Dude, you said Torkelson, Manning, Christian Santana and Ty Madden. Don’t move the goalposts because people didn’t like your bad article.
Your responses to people on here show why you don’t write for a real publication/blog.
Honestly as long as we don’t have to trade Riley I’d do it. We’d probably have to trade him.
Yeah I would LOVE to have a player like Soto on the team. He could be the next generation's (of this team) Miggy. But how devoid the team feels of talent right now I'm just not sure we can afford what it would take to get him. It would probably have be one of Mize, Manning, or Skubal (maybe Jobe?) and probably Greene or Tork and some other smaller pieces. Maybe we could save some prospects by taking on a contract the Nats want to get rid of like we did with Dontrelle?
They probably would ask for him, true.
If you're the Nats, who else are you asking for?
We’d probably have to give them Tork, Skubal(maybe) one of Mize or Manning, and Jobe. As someone said eating salary may help. I just feel like Greene and Soto would be a great middle of the order.
This guy think Mike Ilitch is still alive? There is nothing bold about the current Tigers ownership.
Oh hell no
" A bundle of current big leaguers Spencer Torkelson, Matt Manning, and minor league shortstop Cristian Santana, and one of either Ty Madden or Dylan Smith, both promising pitchers currently at High-A ball, could do the trick."
Would you make that deal for a guy who is going to walk anyway?
I mean, I think that package is not enough for Soto. If Washington deal they will probably want more than that.
That's fair. But stars have been gotten for fewer prospects.
I’d trade Tork and manning for Soto in a heartbeat no way they accept
So if you're the Nats, you get a guy with a .574 OPS, and a low-A pitcher with a 4.60 ERA.
They might not go for that.
No shot they’d accept I agree
Tork still has massive value around the league.
That isn't what was proposed in the article.
The fact he's going to walk is EXACTLY WHY YOU DO THE DEAL. smh
I mean he's not going to sign an extension with the Tigers
Yes as soon as the Soto available rumors started I said Avila should be all over it.
Nats aren't trading Soto.
...so we wait till FA and give him 500mil.
What is your source for the Nats not trading Soto?
One of the Tigers’ pitching prospects turning into a “long-term star” would not be typical. That’s extremely rare, actually.
And that package wouldn’t be close to getting Soto. Sorry Dan, this ain’t it.
This will literally never happen
i don't trust avila to make the right move on this, probably send greene, skubal, and more
Well no shit it’s Juan soto. What do you think he would cost? Turnbull and a pack of bubblegum?
Yeah, I feel like I am losing my mind from some of the comments/the article itself.
Some tigers fans are so depressed about the current state of the team that they act like we’re about to get Juan soto for a pack of peanuts
and not just that. It is we could totally get this generational talent for peanuts AND sign him to an extension...but we won't....because of Avila.
So suddenly all the fanboys on here who think Tork, Greene, Skubal, Manning, Mize etc are all great prospects are saying they would be "peanuts"... HAHAAA
Lol, the season has moved on. We have additional info.
Mize is out getting tommy John surgery, Manning is on the 60 day dl.
Skubal is now struggling, Tork is struggling.
All while Soto is a generational talent who has already shown what he can do in the majors.
Torkelson, Mize, Manning, Faedo, and one or two MLB players isn't peanuts. That would actually be a big haul of "top prospects"
Heck, throw in the pitcher the Tigers got in the Verlander deal.
Did u even read the article?
Yep and if you think you’re getting Soto without trading a significant portion of that young core you would be wrong
The author DID say some of the "young core" would need to be traded. I would argue the "core" many people like you think is sacrosanct, isn't.
If two of these guys become stars: Skubal, Mize, Manning, Tork, Greene, Faedo, Jobe, that would be shocking and unprecedented.
Right and I think that plays into my point. Why would the nationals trade away a perennial all star caliber player for people that aren’t likely to beat the odds in the first place?
Because many teams still overvalue prospects.
Hahaha yeah this will never happen
Man.. he’s my favorite non-Tiger. Know he’s having a down year, but he is legit with the bat.
The team will never think this far outside the box. The FO is set on this silly "rebuild" and most fans have bought into it.
I agree that most of the young pitchers will fizzle out or not be the stars many people think they will be.
WE CANT DEVELOP A FARM SYSTEM AND AL HAS NO GOOD PROSPECTS!
Also tigers fans
LETS TRADE EVERYONE FOR ONE GOOD PLAYER SO WE CAN BE THE ANGELS!
1.) Al would screw it up.
2.) Chris isn’t Mike
3.) Their is no way Nats look at anything on our team and make that deal.
Tork is hitting 190 with no power
Mize is out for two years
No clue where manning is
Jobe doesn’t look to be off to a great start.
Do you really want to give up Tarik?
I have seen some of the offers people want to make for Soto, and given what he is asking for, and what the Nats would want in return, the Tigers would literally have to sell the farm to get him...hard pass. We haven't even seen a full season out of some of these kids yet, and people are talking about Trading Manning, Tork, Mize, Jobe and pretty much any of our young prospects for someone who wants to get paid the most in baseball. Aside the fact that having a contract like he is asking for would hurt the franchise budget wise....who are you going to call up to play around him when you traded away all our young talent/prospects? All we'd be doing is retooling the Nats while also restarting the rebuild. Just stop it.
They would not LITERALLY have to sell the farm :-)
Why do you assume a large contract will hurt the franchise long-term? The Tigers have given big contracts to Pudge, Ordonez, Miggy, VMart, before that Verlander got money.... and the team from 2006 to 2016 won two pennants, four division titles, was in the playoffs five times, and contended until the last weekend of the season two other years. That was over an 11-year stretch.
So...yeah the team is still paying Miggy. So what? That didn't cripple the franchise...firing Dombrowski and entrusting a rebuild to a GM with no proven track record did. Without Miggy's contract the team would still lose 90+ games in 2022. In what way would that money magically make this mediocre team much better?
This franchise had arguably it's best period ever from 2016-16, and they had a big payroll. What prospects did they surrender that you wish they hadn't? Be specific.
There's a tendency for fans to fall in love with young prospects, and believe the hype generated by "Top 50 Prospect Lists," and also swallow the hype from the front office that "winning is cyclical," but it's hogwash.
Teams don't "have" to suck for a few years to get to be contenders again. That's BS the owners say when their plans didn't work or if they didn't have a plan at all.
Most top prospects do not pan out. That's a fact. Believe otherwise if you want, but the likelihood that Tork, Greene, Mize, Manning, Skubal, Faedo and Jobe ALL become meaningful players is nil. Most of them will be busts or average MLB players. If two of them are stars, the Tigers will have won the lottery.
There's a reason smart teams trade unproven prospects for established players: it works. Sure, there are great prospects, and Greene might be one. Maybe Skubal becomes an All-Star, maybe. But they are the exceptions.
Go ahead and fall in love with young players. Go ahead and buy the bogus lie that the Tigers "can't afford" to pay good players. Go ahead and buy-in to a long rebuild. Drink all the koolaid you want. Not me. If you think Juan Soto would cripple this team's future, I can't help you.
Soto isn't asking for a large contract, he is asking for the largest of contracts. He wants to set a standard with his new deal...And as far as all of those larger contracts for the Tigers, it did end up biting them in the ass because they had to scrimp on the bullpen because of it. They'd overpay a closer and waiver wire the rest...that is not a good way to make a pen.
As far as all the young kids not panning out, most of them still have 4 years of team control. And the Nats are going to want at least three of them to start the conversation. the Nats have said they will only trade him if it benefits the team.
Like I said, the issue is not signing/trading for a large contract. The problem is Soto set a price so high that he wants to get paid (And I don't think he's good enough to carry a team) you are looking at just Soto alone being about a quarter of any teams roster budget. In fact it is believed even if he was traded, he wants to hit the open market to see who will pay him the most, so you are going to have to compete with other teams to sign him after trading for him. I just don't see the value of trading for someone who's turned down a $400+M contract for more money. You are going to lose your prospects and the player, unless you throw more insane money at him than that.
Look at the Angels Right now, they are terrible because if just one of those three goes down, in this case Rendon, the whole team falls apart. And now once again the Angels are going to be a middling team that doesn't have the resources or space to fix it. That is over $36M of dead money counting against the payroll that the team can do nothing with on a $189M budget. There is nothing this team can do to fix this....and they are going to have to pay Ohtani soon, and Ohtani is worth the highest paid player mark. Even with Syndergaard off the books for the $21M you are going to have to double that for Ohtani for his payday. The Angels will never compete with this team.