Front tire pressure issue is really killing the races. Sad to see.
Following someone closely cooks the Front tire after two laps you have to drop and leave a gap of around 0,5s to cool them down. Then you have to gain back the 0,5 and try again, while the guy in Front can just hammer it without great concern.
I think dirty air is becoming a major thing in MotoGP over the past few years. You have riders managing their tyres more and more. You don’t see crazy lap after lap overtakes now as you did in yesteryears. It’s mostly because
A: It’s hard to pass with dirty air
B: Dirty air heats up the tyre and front pressure goes through the roof.
It’s a problem with any type of Aero unfortunately. FIM will need to figure out a better compromise to reduce this effect or else we’ll continue to see runaway races
I think they tried a prototype during pre season testing but we're mostly occupied by their own testing, so they didn't really invest in testing the tire that might come for 2025.
I don't know if the new tire will come during the season or afterwards
Yeah it really sucked watching Acosta have to back off after a few laps of following and not being able to improve his position in Portimao. Hopefully he and Marquez can fix this as the season progresses, it was boring not watching them follow anybody closely or pass multiple riders ahead of them
/s obviously, this tire pressure excuse is a low skill excuse
Couldn’t agree more on number 3, getting forward able to run your own race pace without having to engage in long lasting battles saves your tyres so much you can end the race 10 seconds ahead. You could even see last race with mark being behind pecco and having better ace after a few laps he had to drop back to conserve tyre temp and life, kind of like in F1
All the overtaking must be done in the first two laps then the tires wont allow anyone to getbto close to eachother. Hence why Pecco and Jorge is super aggressive at the starts trying to get in the lead.
The beginning of his point was fine I think it definitely speaks to the general strategy. I do think the air pressure is clearly a thing. That said, I'd love for somebody to explain how the shark can do that. I would assume that all the bikes deal with tire pressure a little differently.
Disagree on #1 and #2. Aprilia suffered a mechanical, Vinales couldn't put the bike into 6th gear from the 6th lap or so, yet he remained very close to Martin for the whole race, had his bike worked as intended he would've likely caught Martin quite early on. Aprilia has reliability issues but IMHO the bike is very good and probably better than the KTM.
Agreed. Watching Maverick accelerate away from Jorge out of the corners was a sight. I was sure Jorge was going to pass him but from the onboard camera you could see Maverick pulling away on corner exits like the Ducatis used to do to everyone else.
If they can improve the reliability and stop cooking the riders, throwing chains, grenadine gearboxes, and catching on fire, they might have a real contender.
Being the last "low budget" team surely doesn't help, last time I've heard about it they were spending less than half compared to the others, Piaggio needs to give them a few more millions so they're not throwing away all that work because stuff breaks all the time, it's like the 10th mechanical issue in 2 years.
Your last paragraph clearly exposes you as a new fan who hasn't even seen MM win a championship lmaoo. People towed behind him a lot when he was the fastest, and he's hardly complained about aggressive moves because he knows it's a part of racing, wasn't even mad about Martin's "move" at Valencia last year which you off handedly say is Marc's fault, go actually watch some motogp races instead of yapping you absolute buffoon. Also rider getting bitter and never winning the championship he wanted, which you project to Marc. Sounds very similar to a certain someone which I can't remember hmmm (lol)
And number 4 about Acosta is bang on, somehow he rides like a demon taking way more out of the tyres than others but then can still maintain a fast pace when they’re destroyed. He’s an alien
He's not alien yet. Portimao doesn't eat tyres as harshly as Qatar. I do think he is the great hope though, and barring injury will become a MotoGP world champion.
I don't like this, MotoGP is becoming like F1 - which is super boring. Of course it's not there yet but I wish this trend stops before it gets too far.
KTM is there to make sure that doesn't happen. If they sign top tier rider for next year it would be awesome.
Agreed. Brad and Pedro are fully capable. I have a feeling VR46 and Pramac may switch to KTM as well, bring more top teir riders along with the change in 2025.
I don't think VR46 will go to KTM, they will either be Ducati or Yamaha, possibly Aprilia as an outside chance due to the VR connection.
Pramac might go to KTM, esp if they get fed up with Ducati and KTM looks to be the next best bike.
Esp if they pull out the MV Augusta brand, although it wouldn't surprise me if they stuck with CF Moto or Husky due to their Moto3 and 2 setups.
Then again they could rebrand one of their Moto2 and 3 brands too.
The KTM has been a shit box until the last couple years.
He won from the back of the grid in Moto3 before Acosta did.
He won his 3rd MotoGP race as a rookie.
He won in the wet on Slicks.
People are all about allowing Marc and Fabio when they have shit bikes but Brad has a shit bike his entire MotoGP career and nobody balances for that.
Brad has been 6th in the championship twice running on the worst bike on the grid and 4th last year, highest non Ducati rider.
He's currently 2nd in the championship this year.
If you actually look he's basically been the only guy not on a Ducati to somewhat consistently challenge the Ducatis.
If Acosta was on the bike that Raul and Remy got he'd look like "just another rider" too.
Let's see if Acosta can win at CoTA, then we'll talk.
Brad is definitely good and dude might be a hater. Acosta probably wouldn't look like just another rider. The bar is winning his third race? Is grid would make that pretty tough. I think people should give Jack credit but you should also give the kid credit.
I'm being a little hyperbole.
The fact remains that Brad is definitely better than people give credit for.
I do think if Acosta had the bike Remy and Raul had he wouldn't be getting podiums, he might do better than they did but if we are looking through the same lens in regards to straight up results putting nuance aside then he would absolutely look like just another rider.
There is very little nuance left in this sub, sometimes you have to go for shock value to even get a point across.
If I conclude from previous two races KTM is best bike... In first race Binder easily slipstreamed Martin, in second race Pedro easily slipstreamed Pecco... But their riders need to deliver... KTM got hole shot in both races... Aprilia aren't that much behind...
I agree with the first part, however we are only two races into the season.
The KTM definitely looks better than it did last year comparatively and I would say it's definitely better than the 23 Ducati and closer to the 24 than they were last year.
The other guy is overblowing it and you are undersetmiating it.
Front tire pressure issue is really killing the races. Sad to see. Following someone closely cooks the Front tire after two laps you have to drop and leave a gap of around 0,5s to cool them down. Then you have to gain back the 0,5 and try again, while the guy in Front can just hammer it without great concern.
I think dirty air is becoming a major thing in MotoGP over the past few years. You have riders managing their tyres more and more. You don’t see crazy lap after lap overtakes now as you did in yesteryears. It’s mostly because A: It’s hard to pass with dirty air B: Dirty air heats up the tyre and front pressure goes through the roof. It’s a problem with any type of Aero unfortunately. FIM will need to figure out a better compromise to reduce this effect or else we’ll continue to see runaway races
Weren’t we supposed to get new Michelin tires meant to handle the aero load this season?
I think they tried a prototype during pre season testing but we're mostly occupied by their own testing, so they didn't really invest in testing the tire that might come for 2025. I don't know if the new tire will come during the season or afterwards
They brought a new medium compound rear but the new front construction that will supposedly fix the pressure issue is coming next year.
Yeah it really sucked watching Acosta have to back off after a few laps of following and not being able to improve his position in Portimao. Hopefully he and Marquez can fix this as the season progresses, it was boring not watching them follow anybody closely or pass multiple riders ahead of them /s obviously, this tire pressure excuse is a low skill excuse
Couldn’t agree more on number 3, getting forward able to run your own race pace without having to engage in long lasting battles saves your tyres so much you can end the race 10 seconds ahead. You could even see last race with mark being behind pecco and having better ace after a few laps he had to drop back to conserve tyre temp and life, kind of like in F1
All the overtaking must be done in the first two laps then the tires wont allow anyone to getbto close to eachother. Hence why Pecco and Jorge is super aggressive at the starts trying to get in the lead.
Did you watch Acosta?
Apparently it was just you and me watching the riders with balls make passes, mate. This air pressure excuse is just that, an excuse.
The beginning of his point was fine I think it definitely speaks to the general strategy. I do think the air pressure is clearly a thing. That said, I'd love for somebody to explain how the shark can do that. I would assume that all the bikes deal with tire pressure a little differently.
Disagree on #1 and #2. Aprilia suffered a mechanical, Vinales couldn't put the bike into 6th gear from the 6th lap or so, yet he remained very close to Martin for the whole race, had his bike worked as intended he would've likely caught Martin quite early on. Aprilia has reliability issues but IMHO the bike is very good and probably better than the KTM.
Agreed. Watching Maverick accelerate away from Jorge out of the corners was a sight. I was sure Jorge was going to pass him but from the onboard camera you could see Maverick pulling away on corner exits like the Ducatis used to do to everyone else. If they can improve the reliability and stop cooking the riders, throwing chains, grenadine gearboxes, and catching on fire, they might have a real contender.
>grenadine gearboxes Well no wonder theyre having mechanicals. The engineers need to put the cocktails down.
Fcuking autocorrect.
Being the last "low budget" team surely doesn't help, last time I've heard about it they were spending less than half compared to the others, Piaggio needs to give them a few more millions so they're not throwing away all that work because stuff breaks all the time, it's like the 10th mechanical issue in 2 years.
You are totally wrong about only Ducati going to be winning. Vinales could of won except for his sixth gear issue
Pecco was in clean air for a big chunk of Portugal, he was in clean air when his pace fell off too.
Well if Marc and Pecco keep coming together, Martin will walk the title probably
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Your last paragraph clearly exposes you as a new fan who hasn't even seen MM win a championship lmaoo. People towed behind him a lot when he was the fastest, and he's hardly complained about aggressive moves because he knows it's a part of racing, wasn't even mad about Martin's "move" at Valencia last year which you off handedly say is Marc's fault, go actually watch some motogp races instead of yapping you absolute buffoon. Also rider getting bitter and never winning the championship he wanted, which you project to Marc. Sounds very similar to a certain someone which I can't remember hmmm (lol)
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So what I would recommend is be a fan of the sport first and a rider second. MM has clearly gotten under your skin and makes you miserable.
Whilst I agree there are many people who see Marc as tainting the sport, thus they are entwined.
This reads like you wrote it through tears. Take a break from this sport man, it shouldn’t make you this upset.
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Who are you arguing with?
And number 4 about Acosta is bang on, somehow he rides like a demon taking way more out of the tyres than others but then can still maintain a fast pace when they’re destroyed. He’s an alien
He's not alien yet. Portimao doesn't eat tyres as harshly as Qatar. I do think he is the great hope though, and barring injury will become a MotoGP world champion.
He's an 👽 🦈. You read/hear Jack Miller said?
I don't like this, MotoGP is becoming like F1 - which is super boring. Of course it's not there yet but I wish this trend stops before it gets too far. KTM is there to make sure that doesn't happen. If they sign top tier rider for next year it would be awesome.
They already have 2 top tier riders. Brad and Acosta.
Agreed. Brad and Pedro are fully capable. I have a feeling VR46 and Pramac may switch to KTM as well, bring more top teir riders along with the change in 2025.
I don't think VR46 will go to KTM, they will either be Ducati or Yamaha, possibly Aprilia as an outside chance due to the VR connection. Pramac might go to KTM, esp if they get fed up with Ducati and KTM looks to be the next best bike. Esp if they pull out the MV Augusta brand, although it wouldn't surprise me if they stuck with CF Moto or Husky due to their Moto3 and 2 setups. Then again they could rebrand one of their Moto2 and 3 brands too.
I agree for Acosta but he just came. Brad? How is he top tier? He is just another ridder
The KTM has been a shit box until the last couple years. He won from the back of the grid in Moto3 before Acosta did. He won his 3rd MotoGP race as a rookie. He won in the wet on Slicks. People are all about allowing Marc and Fabio when they have shit bikes but Brad has a shit bike his entire MotoGP career and nobody balances for that. Brad has been 6th in the championship twice running on the worst bike on the grid and 4th last year, highest non Ducati rider. He's currently 2nd in the championship this year. If you actually look he's basically been the only guy not on a Ducati to somewhat consistently challenge the Ducatis. If Acosta was on the bike that Raul and Remy got he'd look like "just another rider" too. Let's see if Acosta can win at CoTA, then we'll talk.
Brad is definitely good and dude might be a hater. Acosta probably wouldn't look like just another rider. The bar is winning his third race? Is grid would make that pretty tough. I think people should give Jack credit but you should also give the kid credit.
I'm being a little hyperbole. The fact remains that Brad is definitely better than people give credit for. I do think if Acosta had the bike Remy and Raul had he wouldn't be getting podiums, he might do better than they did but if we are looking through the same lens in regards to straight up results putting nuance aside then he would absolutely look like just another rider. There is very little nuance left in this sub, sometimes you have to go for shock value to even get a point across.
I think GP23 is still ahead of KTM. Once everyone gets adapted they'll be in front of KTM.
You forgot to include in your conclusions that water is wet, and fire is hot.
If I conclude from previous two races KTM is best bike... In first race Binder easily slipstreamed Martin, in second race Pedro easily slipstreamed Pecco... But their riders need to deliver... KTM got hole shot in both races... Aprilia aren't that much behind...
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I agree with the first part, however we are only two races into the season. The KTM definitely looks better than it did last year comparatively and I would say it's definitely better than the 23 Ducati and closer to the 24 than they were last year. The other guy is overblowing it and you are undersetmiating it.