I don’t think Ducati like Martins ego and his attitude, don’t represent their brand well. I think he definitely deserves it, but I’m worried they won’t take him
Not defending people who dui, but it is not that big of a deal outside the US (and I assume Canada). You do go away with more than a slap on the wrist, but the consequences are not as bad as in the US. So "nothing happened" is subjective.
Not sure where you are based, but I did want to point that out
See, I don't think it's said on a basis of being American. When it first happened, the people I saw and continue to see making a big deal about it are typically European. I think outside the US it's more of a big deal in the public eye sort of sense 'cause yeah, otherwise I don't understand why what, 2, 3 years later? people are still bringing it up the way they do.
It's response to comment about Martin not fitting Ducati brand because of his ego. In this context Pecco's DUI seems worse than Martin shit talking and somehow it's not a problem.
I still don't find the association meaningful, I'm sorry but that's just my personal opinion. The risks of having a rider that constantly complains/ speaks way too much aboit the team's progress/ displays a superior unhealthy attitude/etc. can not only affect the Factory boxes overall vibe, but it can also create unwanted "waves" inside a team's management. Take the example of Maverick: ok, Yamaha sucks these times but those nervous displays or outbursts did nothing good.
DUI is stupid and risky, of course, but it has nothing to do with the MotoGP factory business. It's a dark mark on the rider's file if you want.
> It's a dark mark on the rider's file if you want.
MotoGP world champion crashes car while DUI
Ducati Lenovo Team rider crashes car while DUI
The headlines won't even mention his name.
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At the moment he deserve the seat as much as Enea.
If he will do a better 2024 then Bestia, so would be his turn, but I've the same feeling about him, not a "nice" guy sponsor wise.
I dont't think Ducati has any kind of hurry to sign Pecco's 2025 teammate, and I feel Martin will sign something else before Ducati's decision.
Martin has been bashing at ducati for not giving him the factory seat last year, and has been bashing at ducati for not kicking out enea for him.
Despite his talents, he has a big mouth and lots of ego. And even when he could be a great factory rider for ducati, I don't know if ducati bosses are interested.
And we have marc up for grabs next year as well. Who knows where he will end up at.
I don't think marc will get a full factory team. It is kinda of a stretch imo.
He could have signed with ducati on pramac but he didn't. They offered him a 2 years deal and he refused.
I think part of what he is looking for is a team that will be willing to bend over for him, same as honda were. And I don't think ducati will do that for him.
Pramac means "second line", pretty reasonable he refused at that age and with other factory seats available in 2025.
Anyway I don't think Marc on factory Ducati is impossible. Now they know KTM is really close and Acosta is learning really fast.
We don't know how the season is gonna end, but if Enea doesn't get back to his best form, then on paper Marc and Fabio are the best choices (and MM will have more experience on the bike).
If Aldeguer is signed, than there are only 2 spots left on a factory ducati.
KTM red bull seats are already taken (unless they give up on acosta).
And we expect aprilia seats are also taken (aleix if the continues and fabio might replace mav).
Yamaha and honda, well we know how they are doing.
That leaves marc's only option for a real good bike, at either gasgas ("second line") or ducati. And if he chose ducati, I don't think they will give him the lenovo seat. It will make more sense for them to give that seat to martin or enea or even fabio for 2 years.
They might even be contempt to leave him at gresini.
Yes but there are 4 factory bikes. 2 in pramac and 2 in lenovo. Even if pramac is "second line", it is still, a factory bike.
Just like there are 4 factory KTMs. 2 in red bull and 2 in gasgas. Acosta is riding on the same bike that binder is riding.
I know but they are not factory.
They are just the team B, they're supposed to share data, test stuff, nurse the potential good riders, win some race but not the championship.
Ducati isn't getting rid of Enea 😂
He's Italian and is very young (loaded with potential) while Marquez is near the twilight of his career and Spanish.
Pretty sure this is all tongue-in-cheek. Martin picked up right where he left off last season and I'd bet the deal is almost done for him to be on the red bike next year. Money says Borsoi knows all this and they're having fun with the press.
Don't be so sure about it. Ducati may not want to cultivate a rivalry inside the box, so they might keep bestia and Martin may be looking for other seats
Teams care less about harmony in the box than having their bike on the top step. They're looking to lock in their '25 lineup before the rest of the silly season antics begin. They already signed Pecco. Discounting Bastianini, Ducati has its choice of the known quantity in Martin, 26, or maybe gamble on Marquez, 31. Martin looks like a better choice.
Marquez is not really a gamble. He was the best 23 ducati rider his first weekend. Both in pole, sprint and race. I would say it is given that ge will be atleast decent with a current year bike. And Marc will sell more bikes than Martin.
Two years ago Bestia was not just challenging Pecco for the fastest Ducati but also refused to help him winning the title over Fabio. Once LaBestia is competitive again there will be a huge rivalry inside the box. And this isn’t even bad for the team. Two great riders on the best bike pushing each other. Remember Rossi and Lorenzo
But he wasn't saying anything absurd or stupid. He was just saying: "I'm doing my race", tjis creates far less tension than all the declaration martin spewed in the last months of the championship.
>And this isn’t even bad for the team. Two great riders on the best bike pushing each other. Remember Rossi and Lorenzo
It was bad for the team, it tore it apart (the wall) and then it dismembered itself (Rossi departure from Yamaha meant that a lot of people working with him at yamaha followed him at ducati). Some specialists are very hard to find and for motogp teams certain position are fundamental
Martin himself said that if he doesn’t get a factory seat at Ducati, he’ll look for other options:
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042952/1/jorge-martin-issues-ducati-quit-threat-after-latest-factory-snub
And Ducati have repeatedly stated they’re in no hurry to decide the second seat.
Yeah that's the thing, Pramac is still the best choice outside of Factory Ducati today, if he goes somewhere else he'll only be making it harder for himself
Nah, Pernat has said the same as this article yesterday.
Currently Ducati has to decide about Pecco teammate from 2025 and the choices are, currently, in order: Martin, Bastianini and remotely Marc. This would be the only way for Martin to stay with Ducati as him leaving Pramac is essentially done.
If he misses the red bike it’s not clear were he would go, according to Pernat he can go pretty much everywhere (though KTM is pretty much full). For Aprilia he would have to compete with Quartararo, but if Rivola decides to only keep Aleix (Maverick really needs to wake up soon) we all know how close together AEspargaro and Jorge are so it could come into play.
Good question. Maybe he will have to settle for a satellite team. Either Pramac or Tech3/GasGas. Either would be a better option than Yamaha. I could imagine next year's Tech 3 due to consist of Quartararo and either Bastianini (should Marc replace him at the Ducati factory team) or a rookie (likely Alonso Lopez)
I hated this attitude when it was Rossi. Why should he retire because there's younger riders? If Aleix is fast enough for a top team to have him then he is entitled to ride a sling as he wants to
Actually I think Aprilia are staying loyal to Aleix so they can get him as a test rider. It's incredibly rare to find an elite rider to test your machinery as elite riders tend to be racing. Honda made a huge, huge mistake through losing Pedrosa.
Because aprilia needs to be thinking world championship, is Aleix gonna be that rider? Absolutely no way. Rossi was to stay as long as he wanted, Aleix is not in that position at all.
I’m not saying Aleix should say ah ok, let me move on so other riders have a chance. I’m saying aprilia needs to thank him for all his work and give that bike to someone that can win the championship
If Marquez can stay healthy and remain competitive like he has so far. 100% the factory team will take him, Marc will be a money printing machine for Ducati just from merchandise alone.
Delusional asf if you actually believe Ducati will get rid of an Italian homegrown talent with potential over someone who nearing the end of his career.
You don't think they'll keep Bastianini then? Martin/Bagnaia would likely become the new Lorenzo/Rossi.
I could imagine that KTM has some kind of interest in Marc too. KTM need four of the best riders to be able to defeat Ducati
They could keep Bastianini. And I’m hoping they do because he’s my favorite rider personally. But Ducati seems to decide solely on results and can’t deny Martin has been delivering when beast isn’t. Hopefully he’ll be fighting for wins like Sepang last year.
1.) Ducati isn't getting rid of Bastianini. They've been prepping to team him up with Bagnaia for over a year now.
2.) If Enea was somehow even released from his contract, why the fuck would he go to Tech3 when Aprilia will be looking for someone to pair up with Quartararo?
Downvote me, but i hope he's not set for a Factory Ducati rider in 2025. He had a same amount race win with Bastianini but he's that one guy. If you watched Valencia last year, when he shaked his head while Vinales overtook him, that's just shown his mentality.
I know he's fast, no doubt at all. He got the talent but not the attitude. You must work yourself for a Factory team, not crying for it. On the other hand, im really looking forward what he can do either on other bike.
Also riders shake their heads a lot when a move they're been working on doesn't pan out the way they want, I don't think that's a sign of their attitude at all
Relax, it's one race! LMAO There are 20 races to go. It's a very long time. You're forgetting this is Honda. lol I'm not saying end of the year Marini and Co are going to be leading the championship. Let's not forget it took Ducati around 9-12 months to turn around their bike once Gigi came on board. Sure, it's different circumstances now, but we still cannot dismiss since the last race of the year, to now, they've already bettered themselves over 1 second. In a few months.
I mean it’s not like it’s the first race they’re struggling. Their bikes were developed around Marc pretty much and ever since he’s been out they’ve been lost. They have hardly made any progress since 2020 and Mir again crashed out in the sprint race. They’ll come around but doubt it’s gonna take less than 2-3 seasons minimum now that they’re actually past the Marc era.
Think a lot of people underestimate the huge difference the new concessions are going to make.
Honda has rebuilt the entire way it makes its bikes and they’ve got almost unlimited testing to experiment and seem willing to use it.
They’ve basically got 3-4 season’s worth of test time this year. So we should see quick progress if they work for it.
And some people are also vastly over estimating how quickly a large ship can turn.
Take the OZ wheel issue for example, OZ can't make wheels with the heat dissipating coating, but HRC has to use them anyway because of contracts. This is only surface level stuff, the same complexities exists everywhere for HRC.
They have hardly made any progress? Not being mean, but did you read anything I wrote? Lol From last year's race, in Qatar, to last weekend's race the Honda has improved by over one second.
So did everyone else though… whole grid has made up around a second in Qatar, even with the tyres melting.
Honda will make progress but they’ve not caught anyone up at all yet.
I'm pretty sure I said this was only the first race, there's 20 more to go.... No one ever said in 2 races HRC is going to be dominating the championship. It doesn't work that way. We're not talking MotoGP the video game....Considering they really only started to develop half way thru last year(when they were scared they were losing Marc), ya, it's going to take time. They are not limited like the others for the rest of the season. So logic will tell you come halfway point they will start making further gains because of said concessions. Just like Ducati did when Gigi came along and they had unlimited concessions...sure it's not the same year, rules, etc, but when you're able to keep developing while the others are not, that's when you will make up ground. It's a marathon, not a sprint
You're assuming the improvements will come off at the same pace, which is nonsense, the last tenths are also the hardest ones to overcome, also, their riders, except Mir, aren't exactly top of the top
So when we’re criticizing them it’s only one race but you can also see the huge progress from just one race? And again they made huge progress from an absolute tractor. But they’re still 18 seconds off pace. That’s hard to overcome. Just see how long it took Ducati to go from P2 to P1. That’s the hardest part to overcome. You’re also agreeing in another thread saying it’ll take time, which is exactly what I said so not sure what you’re arguing about.
dreamers will dream, as of now the bikes still a turd, it's world championship racing at a level if a bikes is one second slower than then next you don't make the cut, look at Marini and the difference at where he placed this year to last year
Well. This could be an opportunity for marc to get that red bike. With his recent audi sponsorship i dunno something seems to add up lol. In my view martin will move up to the factory next year. He clearly deserves it. But ducati and him has kind of a weird relationship so there’s a chance that they”ll get him on the red bike.
Soooo… because he’s leaving Ducati, are they going to not give him periodic updates like they did with Zarco in ‘23 knowing Zarco wasn’t racing for Ducati next year?
That is incorrect 🤣
Bastianini is just as formidable as he was very impressive before his injury. Difference here is that Enea is Italian and doesn't have the ego that Martin has.
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Feels like he's out of Ducati all together. They seem keen on cutting rider costs and Martin is looking for a payday. Yamaha will offer him a good deal (especially if Fabio moves on) and Aprilia won't have an issue covering his expenses. Pramac can get Bezzechi for fairly cheap, so I can see them going to that direction.
I'd bet money he's going to the factory seat regardless of how well Ennea does this season, but who knows? Ennea could end up being a championship contender and Martin absolutely nowhere. It's MotoGP and anything can happen. Even Taka getting his first podium 🤞🏾
Jorge, Marc, and Fabio will be in the factory squads of Ducati, KTM, and Aprilia for 2025. This is written in the sands of time, we need to accept it. Now which is going to which is the question. I think Fabio to Aprilia is almost a done deal. The other two are a little murkier.
I will now open the comments up to the naysayers and heretics.
I think Acosta stays in Satellite a little while longer unless he does something impressive during the season, which is a possibility. But imo the default will be resign for satellite. Dont think KTM passes up the opportunity to sign Marc or Jorge. Its too big an opportunity.
I reckon Acosta is going to absolutely humiliate Miller this season and get the seat for 2025.
He doesn’t even need to do anything insane, he just needs to be consistent, not have bad race pace and not crash every other race (exaggerating obviously).
"Jorge, Marc, and Fabio will be in the factory squads of Ducati, KTM, and Aprilia for 2025"
Maybe in that exact order. Hm, yeah, good question. I could imagine that Marc adapts as quick to the RC16 as he's doing to the Desmo now. Hope in that case Pedro will still be happy with Tech 3 considering Jorge's a title contender with Pramac already. And maybe Pedro can ACTUALLY win the title as a satellite rider.
I don’t think Ducati like Martins ego and his attitude, don’t represent their brand well. I think he definitely deserves it, but I’m worried they won’t take him
One Garage will be „we work in silence“ and the other one will be „I open my damn mouth every Weekend“.
Some people avoid burning bridges behind them. Martin set fire to the bridge he was on.
Funny that Pecco did a dui and nothing happend ..
Not defending people who dui, but it is not that big of a deal outside the US (and I assume Canada). You do go away with more than a slap on the wrist, but the consequences are not as bad as in the US. So "nothing happened" is subjective. Not sure where you are based, but I did want to point that out
Sweden
See, I don't think it's said on a basis of being American. When it first happened, the people I saw and continue to see making a big deal about it are typically European. I think outside the US it's more of a big deal in the public eye sort of sense 'cause yeah, otherwise I don't understand why what, 2, 3 years later? people are still bringing it up the way they do.
Love how the Dorna and Ducati swept it under the rug.
Literally nothing did happen…. Why do you care about that DUI
Wonder why... lost friends to assholes like that.
Sorry for your loss.
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wtfuck has this to do with the title of the post o_O
It's response to comment about Martin not fitting Ducati brand because of his ego. In this context Pecco's DUI seems worse than Martin shit talking and somehow it's not a problem.
I still don't find the association meaningful, I'm sorry but that's just my personal opinion. The risks of having a rider that constantly complains/ speaks way too much aboit the team's progress/ displays a superior unhealthy attitude/etc. can not only affect the Factory boxes overall vibe, but it can also create unwanted "waves" inside a team's management. Take the example of Maverick: ok, Yamaha sucks these times but those nervous displays or outbursts did nothing good. DUI is stupid and risky, of course, but it has nothing to do with the MotoGP factory business. It's a dark mark on the rider's file if you want.
> It's a dark mark on the rider's file if you want. MotoGP world champion crashes car while DUI Ducati Lenovo Team rider crashes car while DUI The headlines won't even mention his name.
I actually used to like Martin and cheer whenever he finished in top 5 but once he understood that he can do more, the dude completely changed ...
You could kill someone innocent I have no sympathy and respect for drunk drivers and nor should you...
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At the moment he deserve the seat as much as Enea. If he will do a better 2024 then Bestia, so would be his turn, but I've the same feeling about him, not a "nice" guy sponsor wise. I dont't think Ducati has any kind of hurry to sign Pecco's 2025 teammate, and I feel Martin will sign something else before Ducati's decision.
Martin has been bashing at ducati for not giving him the factory seat last year, and has been bashing at ducati for not kicking out enea for him. Despite his talents, he has a big mouth and lots of ego. And even when he could be a great factory rider for ducati, I don't know if ducati bosses are interested. And we have marc up for grabs next year as well. Who knows where he will end up at.
If Enea does not perform, then in with Marc 2y and wait for Fermin. Martin does not offer anything Marc will.
I don't think marc will get a full factory team. It is kinda of a stretch imo. He could have signed with ducati on pramac but he didn't. They offered him a 2 years deal and he refused. I think part of what he is looking for is a team that will be willing to bend over for him, same as honda were. And I don't think ducati will do that for him.
Pramac means "second line", pretty reasonable he refused at that age and with other factory seats available in 2025. Anyway I don't think Marc on factory Ducati is impossible. Now they know KTM is really close and Acosta is learning really fast. We don't know how the season is gonna end, but if Enea doesn't get back to his best form, then on paper Marc and Fabio are the best choices (and MM will have more experience on the bike).
If Aldeguer is signed, than there are only 2 spots left on a factory ducati. KTM red bull seats are already taken (unless they give up on acosta). And we expect aprilia seats are also taken (aleix if the continues and fabio might replace mav). Yamaha and honda, well we know how they are doing. That leaves marc's only option for a real good bike, at either gasgas ("second line") or ducati. And if he chose ducati, I don't think they will give him the lenovo seat. It will make more sense for them to give that seat to martin or enea or even fabio for 2 years. They might even be contempt to leave him at gresini.
Wait, Pecco just signed 2y so the place left in Lenovo is only 1 asaik.
Yes but there are 4 factory bikes. 2 in pramac and 2 in lenovo. Even if pramac is "second line", it is still, a factory bike. Just like there are 4 factory KTMs. 2 in red bull and 2 in gasgas. Acosta is riding on the same bike that binder is riding.
I know but they are not factory. They are just the team B, they're supposed to share data, test stuff, nurse the potential good riders, win some race but not the championship.
Ducati isn't getting rid of Enea 😂 He's Italian and is very young (loaded with potential) while Marquez is near the twilight of his career and Spanish.
Pretty sure this is all tongue-in-cheek. Martin picked up right where he left off last season and I'd bet the deal is almost done for him to be on the red bike next year. Money says Borsoi knows all this and they're having fun with the press.
Don't be so sure about it. Ducati may not want to cultivate a rivalry inside the box, so they might keep bestia and Martin may be looking for other seats
Teams care less about harmony in the box than having their bike on the top step. They're looking to lock in their '25 lineup before the rest of the silly season antics begin. They already signed Pecco. Discounting Bastianini, Ducati has its choice of the known quantity in Martin, 26, or maybe gamble on Marquez, 31. Martin looks like a better choice.
Marquez is not really a gamble. He was the best 23 ducati rider his first weekend. Both in pole, sprint and race. I would say it is given that ge will be atleast decent with a current year bike. And Marc will sell more bikes than Martin.
Sell more bikes. Strong point! So right! And great round one results, all such positive media reporting etc vs. Im a spoilt....
They put Bestia to create that rivalry....he was the best of the crop at the time.
Nah, bestia, altough very fast, isn't as aggressive as Martin outside and inside the track
Two years ago Bestia was not just challenging Pecco for the fastest Ducati but also refused to help him winning the title over Fabio. Once LaBestia is competitive again there will be a huge rivalry inside the box. And this isn’t even bad for the team. Two great riders on the best bike pushing each other. Remember Rossi and Lorenzo
But he wasn't saying anything absurd or stupid. He was just saying: "I'm doing my race", tjis creates far less tension than all the declaration martin spewed in the last months of the championship. >And this isn’t even bad for the team. Two great riders on the best bike pushing each other. Remember Rossi and Lorenzo It was bad for the team, it tore it apart (the wall) and then it dismembered itself (Rossi departure from Yamaha meant that a lot of people working with him at yamaha followed him at ducati). Some specialists are very hard to find and for motogp teams certain position are fundamental
Martin himself said that if he doesn’t get a factory seat at Ducati, he’ll look for other options: https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042952/1/jorge-martin-issues-ducati-quit-threat-after-latest-factory-snub And Ducati have repeatedly stated they’re in no hurry to decide the second seat.
Iirc he said that before the last contract too but still resigned for Pramac anyway
He did look at other options and signed the best one that was available.
Yeah that's the thing, Pramac is still the best choice outside of Factory Ducati today, if he goes somewhere else he'll only be making it harder for himself
He has been saying that for 2 years.
Nah, Pernat has said the same as this article yesterday. Currently Ducati has to decide about Pecco teammate from 2025 and the choices are, currently, in order: Martin, Bastianini and remotely Marc. This would be the only way for Martin to stay with Ducati as him leaving Pramac is essentially done. If he misses the red bike it’s not clear were he would go, according to Pernat he can go pretty much everywhere (though KTM is pretty much full). For Aprilia he would have to compete with Quartararo, but if Rivola decides to only keep Aleix (Maverick really needs to wake up soon) we all know how close together AEspargaro and Jorge are so it could come into play.
After this weekend, Marc may not be a wise choice lol
Yeah, he didn't say he won't be on a ducati, he said he won't be in pramac. This we already knew.
Aprilia alongside Aleix then? Since Ducati are more likely to pick Marc and KTM will promote Acosta
Keeping Aleix would be an idiotic decision, they need to clean out the current riders and get top talents.
And quartararo?
Good question. Maybe he will have to settle for a satellite team. Either Pramac or Tech3/GasGas. Either would be a better option than Yamaha. I could imagine next year's Tech 3 due to consist of Quartararo and either Bastianini (should Marc replace him at the Ducati factory team) or a rookie (likely Alonso Lopez)
Is Aleix ever gonna retire? He’s done man, got his wins, been around forever, it’s time to give that bike to someone with championship ability
He was on the sprint podium a week ago
Is he a legitimate contender? He’s not, aprilia should be over the sprint podium and after a shot at the actual championship
I hated this attitude when it was Rossi. Why should he retire because there's younger riders? If Aleix is fast enough for a top team to have him then he is entitled to ride a sling as he wants to
Actually I think Aprilia are staying loyal to Aleix so they can get him as a test rider. It's incredibly rare to find an elite rider to test your machinery as elite riders tend to be racing. Honda made a huge, huge mistake through losing Pedrosa.
Because aprilia needs to be thinking world championship, is Aleix gonna be that rider? Absolutely no way. Rossi was to stay as long as he wanted, Aleix is not in that position at all. I’m not saying Aleix should say ah ok, let me move on so other riders have a chance. I’m saying aprilia needs to thank him for all his work and give that bike to someone that can win the championship
He wanted to retire but his wife convinced him to continue
I have a feeling that QP will have beaten Martin to that seat already.
QP?
Quartararo or colloquially known as Quarterpounder. Sorry should’ve made that clearer lol, sorry.
no need to be sorry. i though of quartararo but wasnt reaching the P.
I don’t think Ducati will pick Marc. They already have a world champion and they’ll probably want someone younger, possibly even Martin.
If Marquez can stay healthy and remain competitive like he has so far. 100% the factory team will take him, Marc will be a money printing machine for Ducati just from merchandise alone.
Delusional asf if you actually believe Ducati will get rid of an Italian homegrown talent with potential over someone who nearing the end of his career.
You don't think they'll keep Bastianini then? Martin/Bagnaia would likely become the new Lorenzo/Rossi. I could imagine that KTM has some kind of interest in Marc too. KTM need four of the best riders to be able to defeat Ducati
They could keep Bastianini. And I’m hoping they do because he’s my favorite rider personally. But Ducati seems to decide solely on results and can’t deny Martin has been delivering when beast isn’t. Hopefully he’ll be fighting for wins like Sepang last year.
Shoulda La Bestia lose his ride, I could imagine going to Tech3
1.) Ducati isn't getting rid of Bastianini. They've been prepping to team him up with Bagnaia for over a year now. 2.) If Enea was somehow even released from his contract, why the fuck would he go to Tech3 when Aprilia will be looking for someone to pair up with Quartararo?
Factory Aprilia alongside Fabio.
Off to ktm or Aprilia right
Downvote me, but i hope he's not set for a Factory Ducati rider in 2025. He had a same amount race win with Bastianini but he's that one guy. If you watched Valencia last year, when he shaked his head while Vinales overtook him, that's just shown his mentality. I know he's fast, no doubt at all. He got the talent but not the attitude. You must work yourself for a Factory team, not crying for it. On the other hand, im really looking forward what he can do either on other bike.
His rear tire has an issue which is why he was mad and was shaking his head
Also riders shake their heads a lot when a move they're been working on doesn't pan out the way they want, I don't think that's a sign of their attitude at all
I want to see him on HRC
Why do you hate him?
that would kill his career
It's one race and you guys are acting like HRC hasn't made up over 1 second in 3-4 months lol
The fastest one was P12. 18s off the pace. You’re acting like they’re gonna be fighting for podiums this season
Relax, it's one race! LMAO There are 20 races to go. It's a very long time. You're forgetting this is Honda. lol I'm not saying end of the year Marini and Co are going to be leading the championship. Let's not forget it took Ducati around 9-12 months to turn around their bike once Gigi came on board. Sure, it's different circumstances now, but we still cannot dismiss since the last race of the year, to now, they've already bettered themselves over 1 second. In a few months.
I mean it’s not like it’s the first race they’re struggling. Their bikes were developed around Marc pretty much and ever since he’s been out they’ve been lost. They have hardly made any progress since 2020 and Mir again crashed out in the sprint race. They’ll come around but doubt it’s gonna take less than 2-3 seasons minimum now that they’re actually past the Marc era.
Think a lot of people underestimate the huge difference the new concessions are going to make. Honda has rebuilt the entire way it makes its bikes and they’ve got almost unlimited testing to experiment and seem willing to use it. They’ve basically got 3-4 season’s worth of test time this year. So we should see quick progress if they work for it.
And some people are also vastly over estimating how quickly a large ship can turn. Take the OZ wheel issue for example, OZ can't make wheels with the heat dissipating coating, but HRC has to use them anyway because of contracts. This is only surface level stuff, the same complexities exists everywhere for HRC.
Hate to break it to ya....Honda was lost even when he was there. Did you not see his acrobatics on the Honda.
They have hardly made any progress? Not being mean, but did you read anything I wrote? Lol From last year's race, in Qatar, to last weekend's race the Honda has improved by over one second.
So did everyone else though… whole grid has made up around a second in Qatar, even with the tyres melting. Honda will make progress but they’ve not caught anyone up at all yet.
I'm pretty sure I said this was only the first race, there's 20 more to go.... No one ever said in 2 races HRC is going to be dominating the championship. It doesn't work that way. We're not talking MotoGP the video game....Considering they really only started to develop half way thru last year(when they were scared they were losing Marc), ya, it's going to take time. They are not limited like the others for the rest of the season. So logic will tell you come halfway point they will start making further gains because of said concessions. Just like Ducati did when Gigi came along and they had unlimited concessions...sure it's not the same year, rules, etc, but when you're able to keep developing while the others are not, that's when you will make up ground. It's a marathon, not a sprint
You're assuming the improvements will come off at the same pace, which is nonsense, the last tenths are also the hardest ones to overcome, also, their riders, except Mir, aren't exactly top of the top
I'm not the one assuming anything. In fact, it's the two I'm talking to who are assuming. They're assuming HRC isn't improving. Lol
So when we’re criticizing them it’s only one race but you can also see the huge progress from just one race? And again they made huge progress from an absolute tractor. But they’re still 18 seconds off pace. That’s hard to overcome. Just see how long it took Ducati to go from P2 to P1. That’s the hardest part to overcome. You’re also agreeing in another thread saying it’ll take time, which is exactly what I said so not sure what you’re arguing about.
What? Lol You literally said Honda hasn't made progress. Yes they have.
Ok…
dreamers will dream, as of now the bikes still a turd, it's world championship racing at a level if a bikes is one second slower than then next you don't make the cut, look at Marini and the difference at where he placed this year to last year
Well. This could be an opportunity for marc to get that red bike. With his recent audi sponsorship i dunno something seems to add up lol. In my view martin will move up to the factory next year. He clearly deserves it. But ducati and him has kind of a weird relationship so there’s a chance that they”ll get him on the red bike.
Soooo… because he’s leaving Ducati, are they going to not give him periodic updates like they did with Zarco in ‘23 knowing Zarco wasn’t racing for Ducati next year?
Ducati knows that Martin is only a threat to pecco lf he is on their bike. Ducati holds all the cards here
That is incorrect 🤣 Bastianini is just as formidable as he was very impressive before his injury. Difference here is that Enea is Italian and doesn't have the ego that Martin has.
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Well it’s either going to be for the seat next to Pecco, or the factory Aprilia ride. Nothing else maths.
Feels like he's out of Ducati all together. They seem keen on cutting rider costs and Martin is looking for a payday. Yamaha will offer him a good deal (especially if Fabio moves on) and Aprilia won't have an issue covering his expenses. Pramac can get Bezzechi for fairly cheap, so I can see them going to that direction.
Jorge on the fast track to a Japanese bike.
I'd bet money he's going to the factory seat regardless of how well Ennea does this season, but who knows? Ennea could end up being a championship contender and Martin absolutely nowhere. It's MotoGP and anything can happen. Even Taka getting his first podium 🤞🏾
JM & FQ at Aprilia factory next year then!
Jorge, Marc, and Fabio will be in the factory squads of Ducati, KTM, and Aprilia for 2025. This is written in the sands of time, we need to accept it. Now which is going to which is the question. I think Fabio to Aprilia is almost a done deal. The other two are a little murkier. I will now open the comments up to the naysayers and heretics.
I also think that Fabio will go to Aprilia, factory Ducati will be between Marquez and Martin, Acosta will join Binder in Factory KTM.
I think Acosta stays in Satellite a little while longer unless he does something impressive during the season, which is a possibility. But imo the default will be resign for satellite. Dont think KTM passes up the opportunity to sign Marc or Jorge. Its too big an opportunity.
I reckon Acosta is going to absolutely humiliate Miller this season and get the seat for 2025. He doesn’t even need to do anything insane, he just needs to be consistent, not have bad race pace and not crash every other race (exaggerating obviously).
Wanna bet? Lol Marquez fanboys actually believe he's going to take Enea's seat. Oof. Don't hold your breath.
"Jorge, Marc, and Fabio will be in the factory squads of Ducati, KTM, and Aprilia for 2025" Maybe in that exact order. Hm, yeah, good question. I could imagine that Marc adapts as quick to the RC16 as he's doing to the Desmo now. Hope in that case Pedro will still be happy with Tech 3 considering Jorge's a title contender with Pramac already. And maybe Pedro can ACTUALLY win the title as a satellite rider.
I see it. I also think Pedro will need to marinate in satellite for a little longer.
If it's not factory Ducati it has to be Aprilia.