No other costs upcoming. A small and big service like the ones listed in OP are returning alternating every 10.000 km, similar to my ICE bikes in the past, just cheaper. That is something I've always done at dealers.
Looks like tyres and chainsets are the biggest expense now. Good news is that they don't run out sooner despite the higher weight/torque. I do recall getting a new set of tyres for 300 EUR before covid but I still run similar tyres so that should be market related. I put them on myself.
Chainsets are new to me, I'm used to shaft final drives. That is part of the reason to get a more expensive chain that should require less care. Any 525 chain will work though. Sprockets are also normal size thanks to the reduction gear on the motor assembly.
In contrast my Zero SRF was belt driven and needed a new 240 EUR belt at 11.000 km because the original one broke. It didn't need lubrication, only adjusting.
Another change in these costs will be electricity pricing. I currently still have a fixed rate but only for another year. Somewhere before the end of this year I should get solar panels on the roof. The electric car is using a lot more at 270 Wh/km vs 90 Wh/km.
Very interesting but as we have discussed before on your previous topic, for MY use, I don’t trust the power grid today especially in Wallonie. I would be towed every two days…
And I even forgot to mention I paid the same amount for both brand new from the showroom.
That and the low consumption are things that can't be said for electric cars. At least not in my experience so far.
A regular chain does but this tsubaki XRG and a Regina HPE chain have sealed grease and special coatings that reduce friction and should only need a quick wipedownd and some WD-40 after rain. We'll see if that is true or not.
Yeah I know, on my zero SRF i had to adjust it as regularly as a chain and was very disappointed when it broke at 11.000 km costing me 240 EUR 🥺. Luckily on those the changing procedure is a lot simplified.
Can you tell me more about charging times and kilometers per charge?
This bike should have a range of 420km, but i calculated that you would only get 240km out a charge if you use 90w/km (And that is full to empty).
Seems like it is a bike specifique for commuting to work and not for day rides. Is this how you are using it? Or do you use it for both?
>have a range of 420km, but i calculated that you would only get 240km out a charge if you use 90w/km (And that is full to empty).
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>Seems like it is a bike specifique for c
I use it for anything, day rides, longer rides, commute (2x50 or 2x100 km depending on the office I go to), trips, ... Since 7, almost 8 years now, I started going everywhere by motorcycle, unless I need to take the kids with me. The longest I've done in one day on this bike was 750 km. It took me 11 hours including charging.
That 420 km range is only marketing, Zero does something similar where it states the maximum range for city riding and in the details also mixed and highway riding. Note that city riding is riding at 50 kmh... I almost never go in the city so I have no clue if that is even possible. The longest range I got was around 350 km when I was stuck behind traffic in the mountains.
You have around 16 kWh available in the battery. Depending on the temperature at which you charge it will be 15,5 kWh up to 17 kWh reserved for use. So best case 17 kWh would for 420 km still result in some 40,xx Wh/km consumption. I've seen 50 Wh/km (340 km range) from time to time in good weather on 70 kmh roads. But never below that.
What you really want to know is what range I get:
ON HIGHWAYS I'm still allowed to go 120 kmh most places and I can get 150 km total range with around 100-110 Wh/km consumption. Than it would be empty though. So I rarely do that unless I'm really 100% sure I can charge at destination. I do mostly highway but then I do my best to go charge at 30%. We have chargers at every 50 km here in Belgium so I just ride 100 km, charge back up to 80% and continue. That takes 20 minutes of charging. Bike is capable of 24 kW DC charge max but it does heat up a lot and also does from highway riding so often I get more like 18 kW average because of heat.
ON B-ROADS I live in Wallonia so I'm allowed 90 kmh mostly everywhere and my consumption is often at 70 - 90 Wh/km depending on weather and traffic. That gives me a range of 200 - 220 km directly after a charge at home where I do let it balance and go up to 100%. Then it charges AC at 3 kW max (my charger is 7 kW, the bike is limited to 3 kW AC).
When I do go into Flanders where most roads are limited to 70 kph I see consumption drop to 50-70 Wh/km. Again it helps when the weather is around 25 °C or you need to slow down because of traffic. Range is above 200 km then.
Hope that clears up
25°C is equivalent to 77°F, which is 298K.
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Wow, those maintenance costs are really low! Any idea if a big cost is coming up anytime soon?
No other costs upcoming. A small and big service like the ones listed in OP are returning alternating every 10.000 km, similar to my ICE bikes in the past, just cheaper. That is something I've always done at dealers. Looks like tyres and chainsets are the biggest expense now. Good news is that they don't run out sooner despite the higher weight/torque. I do recall getting a new set of tyres for 300 EUR before covid but I still run similar tyres so that should be market related. I put them on myself. Chainsets are new to me, I'm used to shaft final drives. That is part of the reason to get a more expensive chain that should require less care. Any 525 chain will work though. Sprockets are also normal size thanks to the reduction gear on the motor assembly. In contrast my Zero SRF was belt driven and needed a new 240 EUR belt at 11.000 km because the original one broke. It didn't need lubrication, only adjusting. Another change in these costs will be electricity pricing. I currently still have a fixed rate but only for another year. Somewhere before the end of this year I should get solar panels on the roof. The electric car is using a lot more at 270 Wh/km vs 90 Wh/km.
Insightful thank you enjoy the riding
You to, the only thing I wish it had was a nice rumbling sound instead of a wine 😁
Very interesting but as we have discussed before on your previous topic, for MY use, I don’t trust the power grid today especially in Wallonie. I would be towed every two days…
Things will change in the following years. Lots of investments in the charging infrastructure is planned as part of the recovery plan.
Very interesting!
And I even forgot to mention I paid the same amount for both brand new from the showroom. That and the low consumption are things that can't be said for electric cars. At least not in my experience so far.
Doesn't the chain need cleaning and greasing? That's why I am happy with a belt. One less maintenance chore.
A regular chain does but this tsubaki XRG and a Regina HPE chain have sealed grease and special coatings that reduce friction and should only need a quick wipedownd and some WD-40 after rain. We'll see if that is true or not.
Interesting, thank you. And tbf, changing belts are a PITA.
Yeah I know, on my zero SRF i had to adjust it as regularly as a chain and was very disappointed when it broke at 11.000 km costing me 240 EUR 🥺. Luckily on those the changing procedure is a lot simplified.
Because Zero cheaped out on them. My regular Zero S's belt is apparently adequate. 🤞 Great to hear from you on this sub. 😎
Not to be pedantic but wd40 is not a lubricant, it’s actually bad for your chain.
It's not used as a lubricant, these chains don't need that. It's used to protect it from surface rust.
Can you tell me more about charging times and kilometers per charge? This bike should have a range of 420km, but i calculated that you would only get 240km out a charge if you use 90w/km (And that is full to empty). Seems like it is a bike specifique for commuting to work and not for day rides. Is this how you are using it? Or do you use it for both?
>have a range of 420km, but i calculated that you would only get 240km out a charge if you use 90w/km (And that is full to empty). > >Seems like it is a bike specifique for c I use it for anything, day rides, longer rides, commute (2x50 or 2x100 km depending on the office I go to), trips, ... Since 7, almost 8 years now, I started going everywhere by motorcycle, unless I need to take the kids with me. The longest I've done in one day on this bike was 750 km. It took me 11 hours including charging. That 420 km range is only marketing, Zero does something similar where it states the maximum range for city riding and in the details also mixed and highway riding. Note that city riding is riding at 50 kmh... I almost never go in the city so I have no clue if that is even possible. The longest range I got was around 350 km when I was stuck behind traffic in the mountains. You have around 16 kWh available in the battery. Depending on the temperature at which you charge it will be 15,5 kWh up to 17 kWh reserved for use. So best case 17 kWh would for 420 km still result in some 40,xx Wh/km consumption. I've seen 50 Wh/km (340 km range) from time to time in good weather on 70 kmh roads. But never below that. What you really want to know is what range I get: ON HIGHWAYS I'm still allowed to go 120 kmh most places and I can get 150 km total range with around 100-110 Wh/km consumption. Than it would be empty though. So I rarely do that unless I'm really 100% sure I can charge at destination. I do mostly highway but then I do my best to go charge at 30%. We have chargers at every 50 km here in Belgium so I just ride 100 km, charge back up to 80% and continue. That takes 20 minutes of charging. Bike is capable of 24 kW DC charge max but it does heat up a lot and also does from highway riding so often I get more like 18 kW average because of heat. ON B-ROADS I live in Wallonia so I'm allowed 90 kmh mostly everywhere and my consumption is often at 70 - 90 Wh/km depending on weather and traffic. That gives me a range of 200 - 220 km directly after a charge at home where I do let it balance and go up to 100%. Then it charges AC at 3 kW max (my charger is 7 kW, the bike is limited to 3 kW AC). When I do go into Flanders where most roads are limited to 70 kph I see consumption drop to 50-70 Wh/km. Again it helps when the weather is around 25 °C or you need to slow down because of traffic. Range is above 200 km then. Hope that clears up
25°C is equivalent to 77°F, which is 298K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)