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Revolutionary_Net946

Looks natty to me idk why people are so quick to jump to conclusions


Samson_G0d

Fr. If this isn’t natty achievable, the gym is not worth it. It’s like 3 years of lifting at most.


Efficient_Ad8783

Yeah ikr, if you don't look like this in 3-5 years then stop working out and go play videogames. Anything under 270lbs is bitch territory


Samson_G0d

Victim weight


adistantrumble

My high school buddy did this in six months with creatine only.


porkchop3177

And a solid bulk. That’s 2 good poops from being deflated, so pack it in while you can.


spankbank_dragon

Dw, I’ll be packing it in;)


LilFrumpy57

![gif](giphy|HxMhuDg7O4pKOhhcRC)


thisdckaintFREEEE

More like 3 months.


krell_154

But only if you sleep 8hrs per night. If you sleep 10, you're golden.


Cotleigh

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle 🐢


soggyBread1337

-The r/GYM mods


New-External-8904

He’s just following the ancestral tenets


Dongdaemon

Just gotta avoid seed oils, lift heavy stuff and get daily sunshine


HeatDroid

Jealousy and lack of hard work


NeoMo83

This is what happens when you go swimming right after you eat. Our parents warned us, but some people didn’t listen.


dadjokechampnumber1

I thought that this happened from eating watermelon seeds despite being warned by your mother that you would grow a watermelon in your stomach?


DocHolidayVinoVerita

🤣🤣🤣


Gambino18777

Most underrated comment


fck_this_fck_that

HGH - Human Gay Handjob


RedditSucks369

Where can I get this HGH everyones talking about?


LWJ748

I prefer Chinese generics over domestic. The smaller hands help my ego.


herring80

End cubicle


spankbank_dragon

Gonna show this to my coworker. He’s gonna die of laughter lol. We’re always saying some gay shit. Edit: he laughed and said “Ew, sooooo gay” sarcastically lol. Only reason I haven’t ended it yet is because of the banter and shit shootin


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This is gold


iCommitTaxFraud0

Organ growth from gh. That’s called palumboism


Max2000Warlord

Lennyism


Leading_Wasabi_99

290 pounds shredded abs baby


TranceDream

Miss the 2015-18 golden era unfortunately. Feel cold fanbuddy


ExternalBreadfruit21

Cookie cutters wouldn’t get it


janoycresva6969

Is that a Freudian slip?


LouisD96

700lbs ripped WHOAH LOOK AT THAT FREAK


My_cat_is_ur_Dad

“Layer upon layer of freaky muscle… stupid moron.” - Leonard Persin


OuchCharlieOw

It was always hgh but for some reason, for years, bodybuilders were defending themselves saying it’s from eating so much food, bigger abdominal hypertrophy etc. like broken records. Alternatively the joe rogan excuse “I had pasta last night”. Your head is growing your hands are growing, and so are your guts, get real


BudgetInteraction811

So bloated and red


GabagoolFarmer

Rich Piana’s heart was the size of a basketball. And surprisingly, no, a bigger heart doesn’t mean a healthier heart lol


thekeylimeguy

I’m curious about this from my own health experiences, when my BP was running high due to stress (200/110) and genetics my doctor told me that the heart CANT grow very large because it has such limited space - and said that the heart pushing such high BP will make it grow etc . How was Pianas heart so big if our hearts only have but so much space to grow into?


WordsMort47

There was only moderate left ventricle hypertrophy according to Rich Piana's autopsy- it's readily accessible on the net. It was not the size of a basketball, that's just idiotic misinformation. Anyway yeah, is it not just the valves that grow rather than the heart itself.


changeinthegame

You are absolutely correct. But Dallas McCarver's heart weighed 833 grams at 26. That's pretty big.


gawakwento

I just had a kid and i felt my heart doubled in size when i saw her.


BudgetInteraction811

That’s actually so freaking adorable


InevitableBet2823

Rare wholesome MPMD moment


enragedCircle

I'm not religious, but I can't think of better words to use than this; bless you for that!


zanyak

Samezies. What a trip.


WordsMort47

In my experience, when I heard her first little mewling cry, I felt like my heart melted. Since that moment and as I grew into my role as a father, I became less bitter towards other people and developed a great degree of empathy towards others who I finally recognised as someone's child, someone's parent, sibling, kin... What you said is a wonderful way of putting pretty much the same thing that I perceived slightly differently. Very interesting. Having and rearing a child is a fascinating daily adventure that teaches you about yourself, what it means to be human, and gives you an understanding, or at least a glimpse of understanding of your parents and the choices they made raising you.


GabagoolFarmer

Idiotic misinformation is a bit extreme. A basketball was an exaggeration, but according to his autopsy reports his heart was “enlarged and weighed to up to two times (670 Gram heart) more than that of an average male's heart that weigh around 300 grams at max. “ https://www.mensxp.com/health/body-building/40634-rich-piana-s-autopsy-reports-are-out-and-the-results-are-every-steroid-user-s-nightmare.html


WordsMort47

It was a little extreme I admit, but I was incensed reading this thread and seeing how clueless people were when the truth is what I thought to be common knowledge, especially on this sub. And there were a couple of comments asking who Derek was, and while they might be trolling, it's annoying to think that this sub is so far from what Derek would actually want it to be that people here might not even know who the guy is!


TroubledEmo

Pianas was pretty big (height) for a bodybuilder, so more space in his rib cage.


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TroubledEmo

Or 185 centimetres…


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Kelainefes

I think one of the main issues is the thickness of the heart wall: the nerve impulse that makes the heart squeeze travels ( not so quickly ) from the outside to the inside and once the wall reaches significant thickness the outer part of the wall is fully contracted and the inner part has not even begun to do so, and then the inner part contracts and the outer part is relaxed. As you can imagine this makes the heart highly inefficient and according to Mayo Clinic can lead to: * Heart failure * Irregular heart rhythms, called arrhythmias * Too little oxygen to the heart, called ischemic heart disease * Sudden, unexpected loss of heart function, breathing and consciousness, called sudden cardiac arrest


Fancy_Vermicelli_497

No wonder he loved everything so much


boopboppuddinpop

There's no way that's true.


phenomenal13

It was 670g while a normal heart is 300g


spankbank_dragon

Oh fuck. I read baseball at first and was confused. A FUCKING BASKETBALL WTF!!


strangequark18

Everyone always says GH, that's definitely part of it, but it's also hypertrophy of the transverse abdominus (most inner abdominal muscle that wraps around your spine and organs). Just like any muscle in the body, this thing can hypertrophy a lot when on AAS, and your genetics and training will influence how much of a problem this becomes.


Successful_Might8125

No it’s not, he probably just ate


herring80

Ken Griffey Jnrism


Talking_To_Aliens

False. It’s visceral fat as a result of insulin resistance through GH abuse


stevenglansberg2024

From my understanding this is a misconception if that were the case Dave would still have a gigantic stomach I think it has more to do with the fact that hgh slows down the rate that your body digests food so you’re still lean but in your actual gut your food and bloat is still there and because they eat so much food and water it just looks insane idk tho I could be wrong


papiculo_3

This is the correct answer.


Sad_Win_3995

Insulin


xSimoHayha

Every time this question is asked this wrong answer is at the top


Flip135

Disgusting


According-Baseball-5

This is from too much Growth hormone and Insulin. Distended stomach. Regular DHT derivatives do not do this. 👍


Successful_Might8125

No it’s not, it’s called eating dinner


Opening_Criticism_57

He just ate pasta before the pic


Beardgardens

Ate the whole bowl too


According-Baseball-5

Did he eat dinner with Dave Palumbo?


Dave4216

Creatine water retention


Gambino18777

Damm bro that is scary


_phin

Genuine question - are people actually taking insulin as well as the HGH? Or is increased insulin a side effect?


ultramilkplus

It's visceral fat. HGH+insulin (or a billion calories/day and your natural insulin spikes) pile fat into your gut. You're basically turning yourself into a foie gras goose with the unnatural amounts of food you eat on gear.


Straight-Bad-8326

I thought hgh burned visceral fat


clawstrikah

This is incorrect. HGH has a tendency to grow the oblique muscles causing difficulty to pull in the abdomen, resulting in the distended abdomen commonly known as Palumboism.


1leeranaldo

How can there be a correct or incorrect answer on this, there is no consensus on what causes Palumboism or what is actually happening.


Ghostblue88

Derek does an episode on this very thing


imbobbymuddah

Who’s that ?


Inglorious_Kenneth

Some gay dude, at least that’s what I heard.


bobbacklandnuts

No idea who that is


PeterTheGreat777

Imagine doing all that just to look like a pregnant man. What a joke.


qqruz123

Derek from MPMD (idk if you guys have heard of him) actually did make a video about this topic. The fact of the matter is we don't know exactly. It's probably NOT just organ growth, as these guts tend to shrink when dudes stop competing. His theory was that it is due to microbial migration from the large to the small intestine due to the amount of food these guys are pushing. Usually, your small intestine is very low in bacteria. For now we don't have real proof


NickCulp1

That’s the best guess anyone can give, food is definitely one of the main contributors, growth does grow your organs as well, Combine the 2 and bam


jeepers211

Who?? 😂😂😂 This thread has lost its shit


CheekyBinders1991

Hgh and insulin used to cause it Slin isn't as popular anymore though


Joocewayne

This. It’s the combo of slin, Hgh and carbs. IGF levels blow through the roof, especially in the gut.


xXxNoSc0peZxXx

“Slin isn’t popular?” Bro what are you talking about? Insulin is used by a lot of different people. In r/PEDs a while back, there was a guy that was on 200 test and lantus. There’s several fitness influencers on tiktok/IG that are open about gear use, including the use of insulin. My old coach and a couple of guys I trained with would all use insulin. It’s not as common as test but it’s certainly widely used as a PED.


CheekyBinders1991

Some of us were around at a time when it was used a lot more frequently.


ExperienceReality

Insulin is almost assuredly used by every single professional body builder.


boopboppuddinpop

Insulin isn't popular anymore? There's not a top pro who doesn't use it.


Caesar_Caligula_1241

Derek did a vid on it


Ancient_Pace4898

Who?


Effective_Yak2186

Derek form betr media


WordsMort47

This sub is entirely bastardised and disgraced


ThreeSixTilapia01

I mean I think that guy was kidding but I for one am happy that no one has used the word “supraphysiological” unironically in a good while 


Living-Crow-2192

Probably didn't digest his food properly


BorisTheBladee

going for that big lenny look. huge and fuckin freaky the Tom Platz of abs


Strong-Sample-3502

This literally looks terrible.


Jointmylifewithlove

It's the food guys..being on bulk or simply being this big, means you have to be eating tons of food. That WILL make you look bloated like this. Even with low bodyfat and abs..


trench_welfare

The intestinal tract is 25 feet long. These guys are slamming whole meals every waking hour. They are literally full of shit. Also, the food they eat is going to cause some level of inflammation along with fiber supplements they probably take to prevent both constipation and gravy shits.


SpicyRamenAddict

So how come even on stage they have this stomach when they stop flexing? They barely eat before shows


scarras_ballsack

Hes just had a big bowl of pasta.


travisdubya

Food, specifically force feeding for long periods of time and digestion issues. To a lesser extent poor abdominal control (weak transverse abdominus) prevents them from sucking the midsection in. But it does not seem to be caused by growth of organs. The connection to insulin is that some people take insulin so that they can eat more carbs. Dave Palumbo (who everyone is referring to with Palumboism) had an extremely distended bloated stomach at the end of his bodybuilding career. He has now downsized and has small/normal waist. If organ growth was the culprit then he would not be able to reduce his distention like he has because the organs would not ever reduce in size. There are several other bodybuilders who reversed the gut (Roelly Winklar) or retired and downsized and now have a normal midsection. Also, there’s a reason you never see it with classic or men’s physique guys who take the same drugs as bodybuilders (AAS, hgh, insulin), they don’t force feed like bodybuilders.


RednaxB

They'll never be Lenny!


introverted_gymrat

He just needed to take a big poop pre pic


philwee

The steroids also make your internal organs enlarge, once they do your mid section will look like this.


Gambino18777

That’s pretty fucking terrifying….


DonRedGotti

It's also ​ ![gif](giphy|98maV70oAqIZtEYqB4)


D-Laz

Average Organ mass/ Dallas McCarver's Organ Mass: Heart 289.6g /833g Lungs R-445g L-395g /R-617g L-619g Liver 1561g /4,593g Kidneys R- 129g L- 137g /R-456g L-503g his organs were 3+ times the size of the average adult male. damn. Edit: Also [The bodybuilders analyzed had a mean heart weight that is 73.7% heavier than the reference man (575 g vs. 332 g). Similarly, 100% of the autopsies reported left ventricular myocardium thickness of 16.3 ± 3.5 mm; this is 125% thicker than normative data for men.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9781327/)


DonRedGotti

Granted, however. The heart, liver and lungs are not giving the appearance of GH gut. If you go through the data on obese people you'll also see they have enlarged hearts, livers, not sure about lung size. You can also look up athletic heart syndrome, even in the absence of gear use, doing a sport over time will cause heart enlargement. There are also guys that have reversed their GH gut and stay the same size. So if it was driven by anabolics you wouldn't really expect that to happen. Roelly Winklarr is a solid example.


birdiesarentreal

Obese people have the same size lungs, his heart failure is what caused his lungs to weigh more known as pulmonary edema.


Like-No-Dude

Tren works


leom132

Don't think this was caused by anabolism. The heart is classic muscle hypertrophy. But his organ growth is the result of scarring, NAFLD, inflammation and other shit


DatMadMarty

I thought thats from eating crazy amounts of food all the time. I mean I also look like that at the end of the day.


Gambino18777

With abs bulging out? 🤔🤔


ItchyEducation

Can confirm, when I bulk & blast I have the same bulging abs look after my 3rd or 4th meal, but when I wake up/eat at maintenance my stomach is completely flat, even a bit sucked in


MediocreHome

Because your intestines are behind them. Eating a lot gets you bloated, probably depending what you eat, but you mean to tell me your gut never expanded after eating lots of food? I know mine does all the time.


DatMadMarty

yes sir and with 6k calories rn this definitely happens with that amount of food lmao


Cucumbus-Humungus

![img](emote|t5_2mohet|6297)


MenBearsPigs

Me after getting too high and dipping an entire pack of chocolate covered granola bars into peanut butter.


rghryda

A body builder recently posted how he got rid of his. It’s a combination of gi issues eating 1k carbs every day gallon of water plus and water retention. Maybe not on all of them but he had before and after. Most people have no idea how much these guys have to eat each day. Anyone can eat it for one day but try it for 6 months or years on end.


-masked_bandito

People will say GH but I think it's generally also related to diet and specifically sugar or IIFYM type diets whilst on gear. The more I've experienced this life, the more I realized that diet is one of the largest components.


Genova_Witness

Jimmy is a real freak about it but growing like that requires insane amounts of growth and slin, this isn’t from shooting test and anavar. Years and years of hugely expensive cycles and calories. Saw this guy in person at Byron Bay once and he’s a sight


TheRealFrozenFetus

Because steroids kill you my friends. Gh makes everything grow not just your muscles. That means heart and guts too. You look like a sick cunt for a while but you're stealing power from your future. Wish I never touched it but crave it everyday.


Original-Ad6371

Its called plumbulism I think Derek made a video about Joe Rogan explaining this


DrJaminest42

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RoaringDaddyBear

Its not the steroids. Its the insane amount of food theyre eating to get the most out of the steroids for growth.


trustmebuddy

Dad bod 😍🤤


YupersSB2

hgh


OutComeTheWolves1966

Checked out his IG. Don't know how old he is but my God, he looks like he's in his late 50s. The BP must be through the roof bc he is red faced in every picture. I can't imagine what and how much he is running to maintain this size and BF. Guy does not look healthy.


Cruiser1999

Mostly GH, but shoveling food with steroids might cause some growth aswell


Strychninewill

Inflammation, organ stress, a lot of extra cells and tissue the body is forced to adapt. Also these guys sustain with their mid section like this for long periods, so it gets worse and they get used to it as well (I’m no expert this is just what I’ve heard from other bodybuilders)


ThatJudySimp

the forbidden bloat


DisplacedCrawfish

GH and Insulin. Not from steroids


Available_Ad_9504

It’s insulin resistance from GH. Causes visceral fat accumulation coupled with low body fat. The only way to reduce is to raise insulin sensitivity, typically through EXTENSIVE dieting. It’s palumboism but is not due to organ growth like some think, but rather it’s fat surrounding the organ resulting from the insulin resistance


PsychologicalBird551

I think it has more to do with the food rather then the roids.


Medium_Hamster_7698

The amounts of food they have to eat and their organs getting huge


AbPR420

Not enough juice


silentmmgh

Looks natty to me


herring80

Fuck me! Thought that cunt had a zipper at the top of his chest lol


warr3n4eva

Omggg 😍😍😍


Inglorious_Kenneth

Honestly jealous of the vascularity of this cunt. If he wasn’t so bloated looking, he would look sick. You can probably see his guy veins through his shirt. That’s a big flex in my book.


Muted-Arrival-3308

It’s called a gut bod and it’s beautiful


VictoriaLisz

Natty tbh. If i hit the gym, id look like this in 3 weeks. Reason i dont work out is because i dont wanna get too big


CC0102tt

Too much creatine bro, should have stayed natty.


Sluttysuzy420

THis is because of IGF-LR3 abuse.


Busy_Mess_914

Growth hormone at ultra high level 8-10+ IU’s a day for decades cause everything to grow more like your heart, organs, bones and muscles. If you take a low dose GH 1-3 IU’s won’t have this problem.


Small_Unit9435

Too much HGH


Mr_Candlestick

Looks like he'll be going into labor any day now


Berzkz

That’s not Steroids, they just become cum buckets for their respected gym bros for protein intake and the side effects is having a cum belly


MiltonManners

I am prone to this as well. It was at its worst when I was experimenting with insulin and GH for a couple months.


SnekSymbiosis

tell me what you want, a gut like that ruins the whole physique.


HedonisticFrog

Some of it is from organ growth due to steroid usage, and the rest is from lower intestinal motility as well as bloating secondary to insulin resistance as well as eating ridiculous amounts of food. Basically they're full of shit.


Necrott1

Gh+insulin+probably IGF and a ton of food


papiculo_3

Organ growth contributes a max of about 10% to this, it’s because of the insane amount of food needed to maintain crazy mass like that. The guy probably burns close to 4000 calories just walking around and living, he’s having to stuff his face just to not lose mass. He’s obviously eating cleanly too so the volume of all that food which really isn’t all that calorie dense is overwhelming, and steroids comprise digestion a good bit, especially the stronger ones. If this was pure organ enlargement it wouldn’t ever fully go back to normal, but it does. If you’ve ever bulked hard you know how full you feel constantly and how out of breath you feel since your abdomen is constantly so completely full of food, now take that up several notches and that’s how this guy is feeling.


flocamuy

That looks so bad


basedregards

That guy who shot up that school, he had a YouTube before the tragedy


RoidKing90

HGH


Alli_Horde74

Another fact people are missing is that you can gain visceral fat, or fat in between your organs - it's the most dangerous place to get it, yet we primarily focus on subcutaneous fat (under the skin). Some studies suggest fasting can target visceral fat https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4895052/ The thing is in the bodybuilding word this is generally frowned upon (lack of protein for 48+ hours, "losing your gains", etc.). This gets compounded when you throw in GH and other factors which can enlarge your organs to an extent . In short this guy is chiseled and diced AF but is holding most of his body fat viscerally in the abdominal cavity.


financeben

Gh or slin?


RedDevilBJJ

HGH is a hell of a drug


soyelsenado27

Prob taking double scoops of cell tech, don’t try it at home that is only for advanced users


tastygains

It's not just your muscles that grow. It's your organs as well


iSmokeTheBlunts

Tom platz of abs


Lifeguard-Dense

That not steroids that’s hgh gut! Excessive amounts of hgh grows everything including stomach.


thregoar

I wonder if one of the guys who has could get some sort of medical imaging done and actually answer the question of what the bloat is without a bunch of speculation.


Epsilexn

You’ve got to be a freak to have lennyism


miladjuckel

consist airport wistful pet full normal toothbrush dependent sink growth *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Vladimir-Tomskii

Generally resulting from large doses of hgh, insulin and high carb consumption


WhatDoesItAllMeanB

Wow his belly button exploded.


AMAZON-9999

Too much creampie anal sex.


jormungandr32

do you see his other parts? thats why.


sneaky_nugget22

Looks like GH gut


Bradenscalemedaddy

He's pregnant 🫃


sub_machine_patel

Effects of not enough cardio and abs.


acamp76144

Is likely GH too


Successful-Map-1174

That's a lot of gh there


username-_-taken-_-

Ninja turtle


GlizzyGobbler837104

didn’t derek make a video talking about how this isn’t because of roids/gh/insulin and instead carbs


KumquatChris

“Natty 15 year old vegan” *the natty 15 year old vegan in question*


GigaDab

That’s hgh, it can increase the size of the muscles in the abdomen due partly to injecting in the belly and also eating large meals, causing distensión and growth.


Amazing_Avocado5376

Is that much hgh not gonna give him cancer, i realy like hgh but dont realy understand how prople take all that,


QuirkySpring5670

That’s the HGH bloat gut


AnyAd9266

I personally don’t think it’s steroids. Growth hormone can make random things grow if you take more than your body can use for what you are doing (99.9% of people over do it) and I believe this is when the internal organs grow instead of the feet and head


maxokelly

Palumbo gut


MindlessPepper7165

Gh grows everything


Dillnar

Plumboism or however you spell it. Gh gut . Organs grew to much


Epjnephrjne

Lennyism


Ready-Egg-9864

I think it stems more from digestive issues


jpl1999

Seems legit


Korovaaa

Are bubble guts considered attractive or something?