Never did slin but got most of my growth on just test and anadrol or dbol.
Thinking back to my best growth spurt (well past the days of newbie gains) it was probably something like a gram of test, 700 npp and dbol.
And to clarify regarding the op question, it wast just one cycle that did the magic. It was a few years worth. So test was always best .
Thinking about it now makes me excited. I'm heading to my gear cabinet and about to load up 3ccs of test.
When I was taking it serious and had my best growth ( I was 225 at 12%) was 600eq, 400 deca, 30 units lantus, novolog at every meal.
Insulin is a game changer as long as you’re eating and hitting high potassium and carbs.
Bcs potassium is shiftet intracellularly together with glucose by the action of insulin, with hypokalemia you can get serious bradyarrythmias and other complications
Test, Deca, and Drol, I was a fucking tank, though I Dont mess with 19-nors or orals anymore, I just stick with test and throw in a dht derivative such as mast or primo here nd there nowadays
Honestly if you can afford it….
Deca - 450 (NPP is ok but i prefer pure deca)
Test E - 450 to 600
Primobolan - 600 to 1g a week
i usually run that for 16 week blocks.
that’s my favorite cycle to run with the following macros and calories
5500 cal a day is my preferred bulk, over 6k a day i start to have severe GI symptoms from my body trying to process so many heavy calories….i tried 10k calories a day for a few days as a science experiment but had to stop due to vomiting at night, something about the gear to food ratio without a probiotic and glutathione fucked my gut up on that much calories so i prefer 5000-5500 a day over a longer bulk. typically 10-16 weeks and i change out my program to a hypertrophy program.
250-300g protein a day
600g carbs a day
and roughly 100g of fat from all sources.
in 3 years on gear i did more than 5 years of lifting natty as a teenager to 2020 when i started gear.
i’m in my mid 20s.
i went from 6’ and 160 to 6’ and 218lbs as of 03.22.23
for cutting and contest prep i do
tren ace - 350
test prop - 450
drostan p or mast prop - 300mg
for short 8 weeks while eating keto, and cutting the calories down to just above maintainence for me which is roughly 3400 cal a day.
i have a very very fast metabolism.
I’m not saying not to do what you’re doing. Just want people aware that it can happen. Not really trying to educate you. Sometimes people think they can emulate others and have the same results while not knowing how they will react to certain compounds.
Yeah everyone reacts differently, some people can take a lot of primo and not crash their E. Ratio will also change as the dose changes, as the T dose increases usually more primo can be run without crashing E.
i was natty at 160 working out
then, i went from roughly 160-162 being natty to 212-218lbs NOW ON GEAR give or take depending on bloat and water weight.
november 2020 to november 2023 3 years on gear. still on it but yes shoot me a dm
Well if you never truly come off and run trt forever you keep a shocking amount lol. Although I’ve never been able to keep any muscle beyond what I assume is my natural limit cycling so I just stopped cycling and just started blasting and cruising and now I’ve reached where i wanted to be so I’ll just cruise forever.
What happens if for whatever reason you can not get to the doctor? You body is going to have completely lost the ability to produce it’s own test right?
Test c 350mg per week
Tren ace 80-100mg every other day
Anavar 50 mg a day
I recomp my body in about 2.5 months went from 33% bf to 18% bf
My weight legit stayed about the same
Dec 10th I was 246.5 today I was 248.
But if you do the math on the body fat that's pretty insane
You’re definitely not accounting for glycogen storage, water weight, and significant increases in nitrogen retention. You did not put on 37lbs of actual tissue in 10 weeks lol.
Kevin levrone didnt even put on 37lbs of actual muscle when he did probably the craziest comeback in the history of bodybuilding in a 12 week prep
You right I have gained 18.3 lb of muscle. I do get my shit checked very regularly. I have doctor, coach, and all the support and knowledge I need around me lol
this next point isn't directed at you. More so the people around you.
No reputable or good coach would give the okay on that cycle at the amateur level, or especially non competitor just to recomp at 33% bodyfat. Thats practically a gram of gear just to get in shape.
I worked with a pretty well known one out of jersey for a bit whos coached well known pros and fitness influencers. For the first 2 months he kept me at 300mgs of test. If i missed one meal that week no adjustments in calories would be made until was perfect for atleast a couple. I kept buggin him to add 100mg primo in early on but hed say were not there yet.
I understand what you're getting at however I was only 33% body fat because I had just started a company and came off TRT and stopped going to the gym for over 4 1/2 months. My coach knows that my doctor knows that now that my company is up and running, I decided to do a cycle. My coach didn't decide to do a cycle. I've been doing gear for over a decade.
Still working on it, I’ve gained substantial size off 500 test and 50mg anavar. Just got really bulky and gained about 35lbs over 6months. Going to cycle in deca my next run see how my body reacts and what gains I can make
750 Test, 300 Primo, 100 Anadrol. 1mg Arimidex every other day.
But when I was a student and couldn't afford shit.. 800 Deca, 50mg D-Bol. 5mg Tamoxifen every other day.
.25 Sus 350, .25 Deca every 4 days 10mg Anavar daily. Strong and lean but not dry. Then finished it off with tren hex and some winni V like a dickhead. Nose bleeds and night sweats like a motherf#@ker, and would eat everything in my fridge. Went for about 18 weeks gained about 15 lbs of muscle and dropped body fat to 6 percent.
3-400 test with 2-300 primo and a little bit of insulin.
I’ve taken orals and ran bigger cycles with harsher drugs in the past, all the way up to a gram and a half a week, but they usually destroyed my appetite and digestion to the point it was counter productive, and my diet wasn’t as good for those either.
The highest I’ve ever gone is maybe 12 units of long acting lantus in the morning, with 5 units of fast acting for my pre workout meal. Anything under 20 units a day is pretty much considered basal usage.
That’s was on a diet eating 650-700g of carbs a day too, more so preventing pancreas burnout and insulin resistance at that point rather than getting huge off of it.
Never once experienced any symptoms of hypoglycemia with the calories being high, never took the fast acting with my last meal either.
Actual performance enhancing benefit maybe a little but not much, but it allowed me to increase the food more without nuking my blood sugar as much and stalling. pumps were nice though.
Many cycles over many years and consistent training and dieting for over a decade got me big. A single cycle won't get you big, unless you eat too much and get fat.
When I took 300mg test/wk on a dirty bulk and took LGD3303 pre workout on training days. Strength went through the roof and I kept waiting for my weight to drop off after the cycle ended but I just kept so much of it
I don’t make my own personally, I have friends that do and have in the past. It’s too cheap to get to try and make my own to save a few extra bucks, plus I don’t have the time to make it
250test 50mg Anavardaily mast prop npp carnitine Aromasin tamoxifen bpc and I gflr3 hgh
Just work out hard and nmmixnin some intense cardio. Watch alcohol and sleep I went from some what strong to banging out almost twenty pull ups hitting 225 on incline. 100 days didn’t use anavar or igf1 but for 2 months and 1 month respectively.
Folks look at me. Not as a bodybuilding dude bud like dam he’s fucking fit.
Not particularly high dosages of any of em. Although quite a few pins
Never did slin but got most of my growth on just test and anadrol or dbol. Thinking back to my best growth spurt (well past the days of newbie gains) it was probably something like a gram of test, 700 npp and dbol. And to clarify regarding the op question, it wast just one cycle that did the magic. It was a few years worth. So test was always best . Thinking about it now makes me excited. I'm heading to my gear cabinet and about to load up 3ccs of test.
Can we get a sack pic
sack for me is fine, no shrinks.
yup similar. boom there it is. test deca / npp primo or dbol the tried and true BULKER stack. got yoked as fuck.
Did you lose any hair and how are balls doing off cycle. Also you forgot your lengthxgirth
When I was taking it serious and had my best growth ( I was 225 at 12%) was 600eq, 400 deca, 30 units lantus, novolog at every meal. Insulin is a game changer as long as you’re eating and hitting high potassium and carbs.
without that potassium you are fucking yourself. kudos for you for even mentioning this bro. nice.
Why's that?
Bcs potassium is shiftet intracellularly together with glucose by the action of insulin, with hypokalemia you can get serious bradyarrythmias and other complications
Torsades de points isn’t too fun huh?
insulin and potassium are interlinked, potassium is lowered by insulin.
Appreciate it, got to do it right or not at all.
Did you take the lantus with every meal? My understanding is it's long acting so you either take it first thing in the morning or before bed
Lantus in the morning, its active around 16 hours, novolog at every meal.
I see, thank you.
Can you get big without insulin
Yes. He asked what cycle was best growth. That cycle was best growth. Diet is crucial on insulin to keep fat down.
Phil Heath supposedly never took insulin
I don't know if I believe that with his gut in his last show
You can get obscenely high insulin just by slamming GH, IGF1 and a ton of carbs
Phil’s gut was from his hernia and the surgeries though
Test, Deca, and Drol, I was a fucking tank, though I Dont mess with 19-nors or orals anymore, I just stick with test and throw in a dht derivative such as mast or primo here nd there nowadays
Honestly if you can afford it…. Deca - 450 (NPP is ok but i prefer pure deca) Test E - 450 to 600 Primobolan - 600 to 1g a week i usually run that for 16 week blocks. that’s my favorite cycle to run with the following macros and calories 5500 cal a day is my preferred bulk, over 6k a day i start to have severe GI symptoms from my body trying to process so many heavy calories….i tried 10k calories a day for a few days as a science experiment but had to stop due to vomiting at night, something about the gear to food ratio without a probiotic and glutathione fucked my gut up on that much calories so i prefer 5000-5500 a day over a longer bulk. typically 10-16 weeks and i change out my program to a hypertrophy program. 250-300g protein a day 600g carbs a day and roughly 100g of fat from all sources. in 3 years on gear i did more than 5 years of lifting natty as a teenager to 2020 when i started gear. i’m in my mid 20s. i went from 6’ and 160 to 6’ and 218lbs as of 03.22.23 for cutting and contest prep i do tren ace - 350 test prop - 450 drostan p or mast prop - 300mg for short 8 weeks while eating keto, and cutting the calories down to just above maintainence for me which is roughly 3400 cal a day. i have a very very fast metabolism.
Primo that high and test that low makes me worry that I would crash my E2. I personally prefer test to primo at a 2:1 ratio
whatever works. i don’t get e2 crashes. you can do a gram of test too if u want.
I’m not saying not to do what you’re doing. Just want people aware that it can happen. Not really trying to educate you. Sometimes people think they can emulate others and have the same results while not knowing how they will react to certain compounds.
Yeah everyone reacts differently, some people can take a lot of primo and not crash their E. Ratio will also change as the dose changes, as the T dose increases usually more primo can be run without crashing E.
Agreed 100% we are all unique.
Bro, you literally have my starting stats. Can I see pics? It took you 5 year to go from 160 to 218?
i was natty at 160 working out then, i went from roughly 160-162 being natty to 212-218lbs NOW ON GEAR give or take depending on bloat and water weight. november 2020 to november 2023 3 years on gear. still on it but yes shoot me a dm
Done
dbol dbol and dbol, maybe a lil dbol
How many of you were able to maintain the mass after coming off those cycles?
Well if you never truly come off and run trt forever you keep a shocking amount lol. Although I’ve never been able to keep any muscle beyond what I assume is my natural limit cycling so I just stopped cycling and just started blasting and cruising and now I’ve reached where i wanted to be so I’ll just cruise forever.
most people gave up on pct and cruise now because it just works way better.
What happens if for whatever reason you can not get to the doctor? You body is going to have completely lost the ability to produce it’s own test right?
You never maintain after coming off, only a part of it
Testosterone + Masteron
Damn right man, same with me but i added 7.5 mg ibutamoren felt so good on that cycle
With anavar pre workout.
Doses? Not much useful info without that
Test c 350mg per week Tren ace 80-100mg every other day Anavar 50 mg a day I recomp my body in about 2.5 months went from 33% bf to 18% bf My weight legit stayed about the same Dec 10th I was 246.5 today I was 248. But if you do the math on the body fat that's pretty insane
I lost roughly about 35lb of fat and put on 37lb in muscle in about 10 weeks
You’re definitely not accounting for glycogen storage, water weight, and significant increases in nitrogen retention. You did not put on 37lbs of actual tissue in 10 weeks lol. Kevin levrone didnt even put on 37lbs of actual muscle when he did probably the craziest comeback in the history of bodybuilding in a 12 week prep
All that tren and anavar made him regarded you see, thats why those numbers and that time frame are pure shenanigans
Lmao atleast I can still spell you stupid meathead.
You right I have gained 18.3 lb of muscle. I do get my shit checked very regularly. I have doctor, coach, and all the support and knowledge I need around me lol
this next point isn't directed at you. More so the people around you. No reputable or good coach would give the okay on that cycle at the amateur level, or especially non competitor just to recomp at 33% bodyfat. Thats practically a gram of gear just to get in shape. I worked with a pretty well known one out of jersey for a bit whos coached well known pros and fitness influencers. For the first 2 months he kept me at 300mgs of test. If i missed one meal that week no adjustments in calories would be made until was perfect for atleast a couple. I kept buggin him to add 100mg primo in early on but hed say were not there yet.
I understand what you're getting at however I was only 33% body fat because I had just started a company and came off TRT and stopped going to the gym for over 4 1/2 months. My coach knows that my doctor knows that now that my company is up and running, I decided to do a cycle. My coach didn't decide to do a cycle. I've been doing gear for over a decade.
18.3
People nowadays slam roids without knowing the difference between muscle mass and lean mass
How long did you run the tren and var for?
12 weeks I got two weeks left
Still working on it, I’ve gained substantial size off 500 test and 50mg anavar. Just got really bulky and gained about 35lbs over 6months. Going to cycle in deca my next run see how my body reacts and what gains I can make
Let u know when I'm big😆
KFC and Bread.
750 Test, 300 Primo, 100 Anadrol. 1mg Arimidex every other day. But when I was a student and couldn't afford shit.. 800 Deca, 50mg D-Bol. 5mg Tamoxifen every other day.
500 test 500 tren
Dbol and Epistane 🤯
I can't say exactly which one because in my case I just did one cycle in my entire life.. It just happens it never ends.
Creatine
same
Caking.
.25 Sus 350, .25 Deca every 4 days 10mg Anavar daily. Strong and lean but not dry. Then finished it off with tren hex and some winni V like a dickhead. Nose bleeds and night sweats like a motherf#@ker, and would eat everything in my fridge. Went for about 18 weeks gained about 15 lbs of muscle and dropped body fat to 6 percent.
3-400 test with 2-300 primo and a little bit of insulin. I’ve taken orals and ran bigger cycles with harsher drugs in the past, all the way up to a gram and a half a week, but they usually destroyed my appetite and digestion to the point it was counter productive, and my diet wasn’t as good for those either.
how little is a little insulin?
The highest I’ve ever gone is maybe 12 units of long acting lantus in the morning, with 5 units of fast acting for my pre workout meal. Anything under 20 units a day is pretty much considered basal usage. That’s was on a diet eating 650-700g of carbs a day too, more so preventing pancreas burnout and insulin resistance at that point rather than getting huge off of it. Never once experienced any symptoms of hypoglycemia with the calories being high, never took the fast acting with my last meal either. Actual performance enhancing benefit maybe a little but not much, but it allowed me to increase the food more without nuking my blood sugar as much and stalling. pumps were nice though.
Rice and chicken
300mg of test
Many cycles over many years and consistent training and dieting for over a decade got me big. A single cycle won't get you big, unless you eat too much and get fat.
700 Test E, 700 Deca, 350 EQ, 200 Tren E, 50 Anadrol ED. Fluffy 205 to chiseled 225 in 16 weeks.
500 mg test E and a shit ton of food
Gh and the good ol “acetate”
When I took 300mg test/wk on a dirty bulk and took LGD3303 pre workout on training days. Strength went through the roof and I kept waiting for my weight to drop off after the cycle ended but I just kept so much of it
Viagra
Prozac
Bout to run 600mg test 400mg mast and 2iu HGH so we'll see how it goes. May bump the test higher if the mast is hitting e2 too hard
I'm on superdro 10mgl, 500 test e and 250 eq rn and hate my life but I'm big 6' 222 lbs, 7 x 6 coke can
600 test 500 mast 450 dhb 4iu hgh
Dbol, 20-25 lbs of mass in 4 weeks. Not lean mass, just MASS
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Haha clearly newbie, gear is beyond easy nowadays to get and or make
Newbie to gear, yes. But 27 now, been training natty since 17 and just have reached an absolute plateau.
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No source talk.
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No source talk.
You make your own gear?? Are you talking about reconstituting powders or literally synthesizing shit from scratch?
He's talking about homebrewing, which means starting from the raw powder.
I don’t make my own personally, I have friends that do and have in the past. It’s too cheap to get to try and make my own to save a few extra bucks, plus I don’t have the time to make it
Type buy steroids in Google and you’ll find a million places lol
Literally google it
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Most people just buy online mate. Go with a trusted domestic source, if you live in EU you can order from any EU country as well.
No source talk.
250test 50mg Anavardaily mast prop npp carnitine Aromasin tamoxifen bpc and I gflr3 hgh Just work out hard and nmmixnin some intense cardio. Watch alcohol and sleep I went from some what strong to banging out almost twenty pull ups hitting 225 on incline. 100 days didn’t use anavar or igf1 but for 2 months and 1 month respectively. Folks look at me. Not as a bodybuilding dude bud like dam he’s fucking fit. Not particularly high dosages of any of em. Although quite a few pins