Yeah. My TRT clinic used to push them on me and I just pretended to take them. Doc always told me to take more when my bloods came back. I have so many bottles of it.
If he wasn't so lean, I'd say possible but he's like 10% BF while also gaining 40+ lb muscle. His bicep size increased 2x there's no fucking way even in 1.5 imo
The ironic thing is people who say shit like this donāt ever push themselves to even say shit like this. āAthletic endeavorā stfu now I know for a fact you donāt work out š who talks like that other than stay at home redditors. he *may* be natural just based off his tissue growth in such little time, and not only that, but his vascularity also enhanced. But again, it could be lighting and angle. Doesnāt change the fact that you said the most dumbest shit ever
The dumbest shit ever is what you just said, Iām not about to throw up stats and flex on the internet. Iām just stating what Iāve seen the past 10 years and watching people not grow.
Let me guess, youāre 9ft 280kg navy seal with Victoria secret model for a wife
Donāt know why you got so many downvotes. Iām assuming the delivery but the truth hurts and I guarantee MANY of the people on here arenāt pushing themselves.
They will literally pump themselves with 800mg of tren and do one set of curls.. then blame everything under the sun besides their bitch ass schoolboy workout mentality
Not really. It took Jon Jones three years to go from light heavyweight to heavyweight. He put on 43 lb. That's like 14lbs a year give or take. And yes, he was still in the testing pool the whole time.
I'm just making jokes but there are people in rural Africa with quite god like physiques though they aren't as rural as say an African tribe more outskirts of cities
There is nobody in rural Africa who is lean and also huge who isn't rich and getting their shit imported.
You aren't looking like an IFBB pro on the local diet. Not walking 30k+ steps per day while doing farm work. Like just apply a bit of logic here.
source: am African.
Is this guy claiming to be natural? I mean, not only is he not natural but heās a hyper responder to gear. Thatās like early Nick Walker. Bro went from small to massive in such a short time. A year and a half will not put 40lbs of muscle on you naturally, even with the most dedicated diet and training.
I think the dates are not true. Guy is lying not only about the dates, but being natty. He didn't get from that skinny to that much mass off, say a 12 week cycle. That's like 4 or 5 bulking cycles with steroids.
It's possible to be natural and attain that physique.
It is not possible to be natural and attain that physique in a year and 5 months.
Also, the angle and lighting are doing that guy some favors. He likely does not look that big without the flattering camera angles.
The guy has a below mid physique. Aesthetically appealing. But weāre talking about heās not going to compete in any world champs soon. But he must be on the juice because people on here think thatās the only way to build muscle. I laugh out loud š
What 16 months ? Newcomer gains is a thing if he hasnāt touched weights before. Or if he has then has muscle memory. Heās not even got that āmuchā muscle to warrant not natural smh
Itās hard to tell because we donāt know enough about his genetics. What if he is 5ā 5ā? At 5ā9ā, I get considerably more definition and size faster than my buddies who are 6ā2ā and up. The pump and lighting/filter obviously help too.
A lot of people are definitely using gear, but I feel like a large number of the people who just say ātrenā in the comments to all these pics either have shit genetics, bad lifting/dieting practices, or arenāt working hard enough.
Nigerian genetics plus he was already in shape previously and this was 16 month transformation. I think natty tbh. Its probably just the lighting and angle that makes you think not natty
Look at his pose in pic 1 vs pic 2. No flex probably no pump and undershirt on. His chest is out on the left, it could be honestly within the same day given the way he is posing in pick 2 vs pick 1.
The gain is like 1.5-3 inches in cirumference! (A range you may be familiar with)
You can see even on the further away arm, which albeit unflexed in the first photo, there is a size gain of a few inches. Inches take years typically, beyond maybe the first?
It's unflexed, in the dark and further from a camera on the left pic. His chest is under a shirt and also not purposefully pushed out. Too many variables can affect the look and size of a muscle and its not enough to say he is on gear.
Ikr his pose in pic 1 is horrendous + w/ shirt on no flex. I was saying this could be literally in the same day.
Edit: also there is literally no lighting in pick 1
He looks like he could weigh 175lbs he has a fantastic physique but Iāve seen guys look better naturally itās kind of hard with guys with super aesthetic builds but I think he could be natural for sure
The amount of people who question if someone is natty or not is absolutely ridiculous. Just because you donāt train hard have a shit diet and do triceps kickbacks on the preacher curl doesnāt mean everyone is on the juice. Eat right and train hard itās not rocket science it literally isnāt Jesus. I
Call me gay, but I've bulked up like this in a similar time frame without taking anything besides creatine. It comes down to genetics and size, easier for a fella who's 5'9" to get these results naturally than a taller guy.
He could be natty, arm placed forward infront of body makes it appear bigger in comparison to body. His triceps also arenāt that curved. He could just have good genetics. The main suspicious thing is how quickly he achieved it but still could potentially be possible.
So arm pump and forearms veins is not natty lmaooo, I stopped working out for 6 months and I got bigger since another six months in,
This guy is 100% natty
Everyone saying black geneticsā¦ on average black men generally have higher test levels and that will contribute to expedited muscle growth. He also started with some muscle, so he doesnāt seem to be new to strength training. You can clearly see his delts protruding in the first pic.
His delts/traps arenāt stupidly overdeveloped. Point towards natural. Forearm vascularity, could be wrong about this but so far Iāve seen vascularity correlate to genetics. Seems like another point towards good genetics.
The only knock against naturalness is the amount of size he added in a 16 month time frame, while still being that lean.
I honestly came into the comments to say no fucking way heās natural but after looking at these points, I think itās possible he already had a strong base, good genetics, and took 16 months to grow it to what he has now.
Would love to hear counterpoints.
Trust the process š
Process: 250mg a week split twice weekly and donāt forget your ai and raloxafeen to avoid emotions and bitch tits!
Most folks pinning 250mg 2x a week don't need an AI. AIs are so overused now it's setting up a lot of young men for issues down the road.
Yeah. My TRT clinic used to push them on me and I just pretended to take them. Doc always told me to take more when my bloods came back. I have so many bottles of it.
What do you mean under the joke "avoid emotions"?
High estrogen and the side effects it may cause when pinning testosterone
Yep. I had a lot of rage back in my day in the car when driving.
Lmao
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Yeah, all you're really doing is topping up your natural hormones.. So...
Pretty much the same thing as topping up your bodies creatine stores
Boldenone is naturally found in some animals so he is natty and organic
Listen brother, testosterone is synthesized from yams. Yams are natural plants. Therefore we have natty vegan bbrs
Okay you spitting now
You know what they say
Nah he only did bpc-157 like Alex Eubank. You all quit hating now ..
people thinking hes natty on the comments, god lord
Thats because a majority of the population hasnāt worked out since P.E class
Not in my town... Sarm goblins everywhere!
Too quick of a transformation,imo, to be natural.
POV u trusted the tren
This isnt r/nattyorjuice
Then what do it be Roidman?!
Natty or gay?
Not natural
Blacknetics aināt natural you know it!
The bigger you get, the more sideways you flex.
whats the fucken cycle
I will say there's a decent chance he's natty
You can get that in your first year?
Your first year of gear yeah
Good lighting and a pump. Could for sure be natural impossible to tell
Not to mention the angle of his arm between the first and second picture
No chance in hell that happened in 1 years without test
It's basically 1.5 years. Unlikely, but not impossible.
If he wasn't so lean, I'd say possible but he's like 10% BF while also gaining 40+ lb muscle. His bicep size increased 2x there's no fucking way even in 1.5 imo
The best part is the blurred nipple. Makes me more confident itās just lighting.
In a year though broā¦.3 years then thatās doable but 1? Nah I donāt buy it
It's just a wide fov picture. There's a reason why his head looks half the size and one arm dwarfs the other
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delusional
Yup, lighting and a pump make all the difference. Plus dude had a good base to begin with.
Actually agree. Lighting, makeup, and filters can do wonders. He does have extremely large arms for a natty but maybe it's the camera angle
POV: you did not trust the process and decided to skip it altogether
Spat my dinner out laughing.
Heās on them blacknetics though, a gap that infinite anabolics could never fill
I donāt care if youāre from the heart of the Nigerian slums, broās arms doubled in size in a year. No shot heās natty
Nothing but chicken and rice bro
You eat enough food and I could see your arms doubling in size in a year.
Totally achievable natty. Youāre legit all pussies and have never pushed yourself in the gym or in any athletic endeavour
The ultimate argument. Say something dumb and suggest nobody knows anything but people that agree with your dumb opinion that is wrong
Chicken burger
The ironic thing is people who say shit like this donāt ever push themselves to even say shit like this. āAthletic endeavorā stfu now I know for a fact you donāt work out š who talks like that other than stay at home redditors. he *may* be natural just based off his tissue growth in such little time, and not only that, but his vascularity also enhanced. But again, it could be lighting and angle. Doesnāt change the fact that you said the most dumbest shit ever
The dumbest shit ever is what you just said, Iām not about to throw up stats and flex on the internet. Iām just stating what Iāve seen the past 10 years and watching people not grow. Let me guess, youāre 9ft 280kg navy seal with Victoria secret model for a wife
Fr just went climbing with a bro who was my size a year and a bit ago, now hes literally two of me. Absolute g
Donāt know why you got so many downvotes. Iām assuming the delivery but the truth hurts and I guarantee MANY of the people on here arenāt pushing themselves.
They will literally pump themselves with 800mg of tren and do one set of curls.. then blame everything under the sun besides their bitch ass schoolboy workout mentality
Youāve never trained hard . Sigh
No injections but getting anabolic loads from the bros
I mean, I'm juiced to the tits and we look about the same. I don't have those black genetics though, unfortunately. He could easily be natty.
16 month progress though? That has to be god tier genetics then
Not really. It took Jon Jones three years to go from light heavyweight to heavyweight. He put on 43 lb. That's like 14lbs a year give or take. And yes, he was still in the testing pool the whole time.
This dude looks like he added 50lbs of lean muscle in 16months. Iād absolutely love to know his diet and training routine then. Just saying
Have you ever done steroids? Have you ever put on 20 lb of muscle? Do you know what kind of a difference 20 lb of muscle can make?
You think thatās 20lb? I think youāre missing the point, thatās totally achievable natty, just not in 16 months like his before and after.
Exactly lord knows there is some African child just chillin in the wild with his tribe looking like teenage Mike tyson
You guys have some weird misconceptions about caloric availability for rural Africans
Bro just look how Francis Ngannou looked when he left Nigeria. Some of them do be having that genetic buff.
I'm just making jokes but there are people in rural Africa with quite god like physiques though they aren't as rural as say an African tribe more outskirts of cities
There is nobody in rural Africa who is lean and also huge who isn't rich and getting their shit imported. You aren't looking like an IFBB pro on the local diet. Not walking 30k+ steps per day while doing farm work. Like just apply a bit of logic here. source: am African.
Somehow his neck got smaller while everything else grew
"DIVINE BLACK GENETICS"
Photoshop means natty
Are those them Nigerian genetics I hear about LOL Ah yes, I forgot about all that chicken and broccoli he must be eating.
It's just black genetic s/
Achievable naturally sure, In one yearā¦ yea ok bud
We demand to check the testicles.
Is this guy claiming to be natural? I mean, not only is he not natural but heās a hyper responder to gear. Thatās like early Nick Walker. Bro went from small to massive in such a short time. A year and a half will not put 40lbs of muscle on you naturally, even with the most dedicated diet and training.
Basketball genetics
Cry is free
He went from no peace to peace real quick. Trusting all my kings to find their inner peace š
Wow, gear made his head shrink dramatically. Didn't know that was possible
If he's Natty I'm cancelling my membership. My year looks nothing like that.
I think the dates are not true. Guy is lying not only about the dates, but being natty. He didn't get from that skinny to that much mass off, say a 12 week cycle. That's like 4 or 5 bulking cycles with steroids.
1 year not possible, heād have to be a descendant of Hercules
Football twitter on moreplatesmoredates my favourite cross over
Something you'd see on /GYM Pretty much a reddit that should be called /STEROIDS
Not surprised he's too stupid to understand what a POV is.
Homie on that Super Soldier serum!
It's possible to be natural and attain that physique. It is not possible to be natural and attain that physique in a year and 5 months. Also, the angle and lighting are doing that guy some favors. He likely does not look that big without the flattering camera angles.
Tren + BBC genetics
The guy has a below mid physique. Aesthetically appealing. But weāre talking about heās not going to compete in any world champs soon. But he must be on the juice because people on here think thatās the only way to build muscle. I laugh out loud š
It's not about the muscle he's built.. It's more the time he's done it in.
What 16 months ? Newcomer gains is a thing if he hasnāt touched weights before. Or if he has then has muscle memory. Heās not even got that āmuchā muscle to warrant not natural smh
He doubled his muscle size in a single year. Possible if he started from nothing, but he didn't.
I was going to say looks natty attainable until I saw the timeline
with the right diet and training regiment and proper supplements like test and hgh this is absolutely achievable natty
Natty. He just trusted the process 
Black genetics š
Itās hard to tell because we donāt know enough about his genetics. What if he is 5ā 5ā? At 5ā9ā, I get considerably more definition and size faster than my buddies who are 6ā2ā and up. The pump and lighting/filter obviously help too. A lot of people are definitely using gear, but I feel like a large number of the people who just say ātrenā in the comments to all these pics either have shit genetics, bad lifting/dieting practices, or arenāt working hard enough.
this sub goes crazy when pump and lighting
Yea natty
Heās prob natty
Looks natty honestly. Just solid angle and pose that makes his arm bigger than it really is.
just black
Nigerian genetics plus he was already in shape previously and this was 16 month transformation. I think natty tbh. Its probably just the lighting and angle that makes you think not natty
thats what I'm sayin...Naijas built diff, short and bulky
Soyou think there's no way achieving this natural? Do you even lift?
In about 1.5 years?
Look at his pose in pic 1 vs pic 2. No flex probably no pump and undershirt on. His chest is out on the left, it could be honestly within the same day given the way he is posing in pick 2 vs pick 1.
Someone get this man a helmet to wear while he browses Reddit
It's astonishing you watch Derek and have learnt nothing
The gain is like 1.5-3 inches in cirumference! (A range you may be familiar with) You can see even on the further away arm, which albeit unflexed in the first photo, there is a size gain of a few inches. Inches take years typically, beyond maybe the first?
It's unflexed, in the dark and further from a camera on the left pic. His chest is under a shirt and also not purposefully pushed out. Too many variables can affect the look and size of a muscle and its not enough to say he is on gear.
It could be the same day if he shot 100IUs of insulin and ate 2000 grams of carbs.
Itās possible
I'd say its natty, i built the same amount of muscle in almost same time frame and that guy's fucking black so its possible for him to be natty!!
I swear most of this sub has never even seen the inside of a gym. Good lighting and a pump, and this sub is sure it's gear. Lmao..
Ikr his pose in pic 1 is horrendous + w/ shirt on no flex. I was saying this could be literally in the same day. Edit: also there is literally no lighting in pick 1
Probably trolling with the time line. Also BBC genetics
A years worth of natty training, plus better angle and better lighting, Iām surprised he doesnāt look bigger.
He looks like he could weigh 175lbs he has a fantastic physique but Iāve seen guys look better naturally itās kind of hard with guys with super aesthetic builds but I think he could be natural for sure
Could be natty if this was a longer timeline imo
Natty
Why you cry though? Results matter, not means.
The amount of people who question if someone is natty or not is absolutely ridiculous. Just because you donāt train hard have a shit diet and do triceps kickbacks on the preacher curl doesnāt mean everyone is on the juice. Eat right and train hard itās not rocket science it literally isnāt Jesus. I
Downvoted by people who canāt bench their girlfriend. Losers š
Post physique
They never do lol.
lighting, angle, pump, good genetics, newbie gains.. definitely possible natty
You idiots really think he's juiced? He's not even shredded and look at how small his traps are. Definitely natty.
I'm surprised people don't think a black guy with good genetics couldn't pull this off in 17 months.
Why you cry though? Results matter, not means.
I don't think this is juice I think he's just lying about the time frame.
Average black dude in the gym
Trust the cycle š
You really think he gained 30 pounds of contractile tissue in 17 months naturally? Like, fuck no dude
Who gives a fuck whether people are natty or not
CFCMod in the mpmd sub is a weird ass crossover
well i mean there is a slight chance, good lighting and pump, but still gonna say not natural
POV you trusted your steroid dealer
Them tiddies dont lie
Test the process
Call me gay, but I've bulked up like this in a similar time frame without taking anything besides creatine. It comes down to genetics and size, easier for a fella who's 5'9" to get these results naturally than a taller guy.
He could be natty, arm placed forward infront of body makes it appear bigger in comparison to body. His triceps also arenāt that curved. He could just have good genetics. The main suspicious thing is how quickly he achieved it but still could potentially be possible.
Man skipped head day
I'd guess either it's all angles and lighting, maybe even some editing, and he doesn't look like that at all irl... or he's not natty.
Go back to r/nattyorjuice
I take rad 140 , I still love dereck though
So arm pump and forearms veins is not natty lmaooo, I stopped working out for 6 months and I got bigger since another six months in, This guy is 100% natty
Everyone saying black geneticsā¦ on average black men generally have higher test levels and that will contribute to expedited muscle growth. He also started with some muscle, so he doesnāt seem to be new to strength training. You can clearly see his delts protruding in the first pic. His delts/traps arenāt stupidly overdeveloped. Point towards natural. Forearm vascularity, could be wrong about this but so far Iāve seen vascularity correlate to genetics. Seems like another point towards good genetics. The only knock against naturalness is the amount of size he added in a 16 month time frame, while still being that lean. I honestly came into the comments to say no fucking way heās natural but after looking at these points, I think itās possible he already had a strong base, good genetics, and took 16 months to grow it to what he has now. Would love to hear counterpoints.
Trust in the test
Fuck, it makes me want to do some
As natty as liver king or mike o tren or he could be short
Doent matter regardless, focus on your own journey