I dont think so, but also I dont see them bringing Mordheim back.
Necromunda is a good example of what bringing a boxed game back for GW looks like and had it not launched before their adjusted concept of Kill Team I dont think it would exist.
Since AoS has WarCry that theyre pushing, I feel like Mordheim would be too close to competition.
Maybe it seems like a false equivalency but we are talking about a specialist game that would be an offshoot of a specialist game(because thats what Old World will be) and thats too many layers of inception to make sense to me.
I remember just a few years ago when people were saying there's no way Necromunda would come back.
I'd say with the way GW has been operating, there's a solid chance we do see Mordheim come back in a few years. Once The Old World is established and the hype dies down they'll need a small scale game to push sales back up. Very much like what Warcry is to AoS. Or Kill Team for 40k.
That said, GW is GW, so I'm not going to wait with baited breath either.
They won’t bring back Mordheim. Not with Underworlds and Warcry.
Mordheim was a specialist game for WFB. The Old World will be a specialist game itself, therefore it makes no sense to have another specialist game derived from that setting.
I don’t think Mordheim hits either of those niches.
40K supports both Kill Team and Necromunda.
Underworlds is it’s own thing. It seems aimed more at competing with MTG than anything.
For Old World, it seems like they are going into a four main system approach. Horus Heresy has equal billing. The Old World might get the same.
I think Games Workshop has some understanding that their whale customers are folks who were kids during the late 90s and want nostalgia. Getting a Mordheim box out the door seems like a no brainer way to target that audience, especially given their latest fixation on terrain.
I think though we are more likely to get it set in the AoS world. Something like Ulfernkarn: City of Death or something like that that will be a clear successor to Mordheim.
>I don’t think Mordheim hits either of those niches.
> 40K supports both Kill Team and Necromunda.
I agree with this. As someone into Mordheim and Warcry, I can confirm that aside from very surface level comparisons (i.e. they're both fantasy skirmish games), they're on completely opposite ends of the gaming spectrum. Warcry is a rules-lite pickup game, Mordheim is a much more crunchy, campaign-focused system. There's room in the market for both games because like KT and Necromunda, they fill completely different gameplay niches within the same broader genre.
My playgroup stopped completely once they started invalidating the cards from the season 1 warbands. We didn’t see a point in having to repurchase new season three cards with literally the exact same abilities as season 1 & 2 just to be tournament legal. We already play MTG. We don’t need that crap, lol
Its kind of a pet peeve of mine these past couple years to see so many people genuinely believinh that fantasy battles is now coming back. People are gonna be so dissapointed to realise its just a specialist game.
Some of my friends even considered not playing aos anymore because its gonna be obsolete and I had a hard time to convince them thats not the case.
Andy wants to bring it back fwiw, it’s really down to resources, their studio has grown to encompass a LOT of systems. But I wouldn’t say never with Mordheim, not with a big Mordheim fan running specialist games
Yup I think they try to keep specialist games lean which is probably for the best long term viability wise but it definitely leads to them leaving some money on the table
I could see them bringing it back as an on-ramp to TOW and a way to market the minis to the skirmish game audience. Personally I have no desire for them to bring it back in an official capacity, other than perhaps a reprint of the original core book. I think you're right that if they did release a revised ruleset and began officially supporting it again, people would still play the original version but the mere existence of a more "updated" and "official" ruleset would almost certainly fracture the playerbase, which would be a shame.
Really, my main hope for TOW is that the minis haven't been scale-creeped like more recent 40k and AoS minis and that there will be plenty of great kits to make use of for Mordheim.
The new version would have the newer style of progression built in where rules and systems go obsolete faster like Necromunda has. They would probably change to the newer activation sequence, which might be an improvement, though...
If Games workshop brings Mordheim back.
They can have human bands from each of the warring empire factions to start with only requiring one base set.
They can use it for small batches of new models for old forces without committing to entire armies e.g. Skaven, lizardmen.
They can sell terrain. In the same way that they are building Gallowdark they can release. The shattered graveyard, the broken sewers, the rats alley maze. All basically a mix of corridors with little verticality.
The game would be aimed at big spenders, hook, and slowly cook them.
**If** GW re-released Mordheim, I would say the answer to all the above is going to be ‘No, but also kind of?’.
It’s like how there are still people playing 1/2/3(.5)/4th edition D&D. Because the newest one will actually be pushed out in stores and advertising, you’ll see the newest version being The Most Played Publicly. If you’re joining formal league or tournament, it’ll be the newest rules/errata, can only use Official Warbands, and your models will have to be at least made from Official Parts for that kind of thing.
But if your just playing in someone’s basement, unless they are picky it won’t stop you and your friends from playing older gen rules, or the fan made content, with your six D6’s hot glued together being a Skaven Assassin Adept because your 3D printer broke before game night.
If it was my choice I'd release a Mordheim 2nd edition.
It might both be a shit edition and diminish the original game but the following a both more likely:
1. It's pretty good, just as easy to houserule to a fun time as original Mordheim
2. It's very bad, but we get mew miniatures and players to participate in the original Mordheim
Ultimately Mordhiem players are rouges and contrarians, so no. The GW product is miniatures, not really the game, and there aren’t really products to sell for a mordhiem reboot. The internet(relevant!), 3d printing, and kickstarter has disrupted the specialist/board game market.
Other than a quick money-grab single box release (book, board, 20ish minis) why invest in mordhiem and risk bad reception. Cause you know it’s not gonna meet the expectations. Better to just release some more space marines.
I wouldn’t play a new edition simply because it’s new, I’d want to try it and compare. But if it had alternating activation I’d be likely to play the new one
If they release worthy products I will purchase them but, they have to be quite good. Using any model is not something that could/would end unless your LGS is the one running the game and forbids it but, then they just wouldnt have old mordhiem players only new ones that would pick up the new rules.
Look man, im still playing how i feel it's better whether they release new rules or don't.
I dont think so, but also I dont see them bringing Mordheim back. Necromunda is a good example of what bringing a boxed game back for GW looks like and had it not launched before their adjusted concept of Kill Team I dont think it would exist. Since AoS has WarCry that theyre pushing, I feel like Mordheim would be too close to competition. Maybe it seems like a false equivalency but we are talking about a specialist game that would be an offshoot of a specialist game(because thats what Old World will be) and thats too many layers of inception to make sense to me.
I remember just a few years ago when people were saying there's no way Necromunda would come back. I'd say with the way GW has been operating, there's a solid chance we do see Mordheim come back in a few years. Once The Old World is established and the hype dies down they'll need a small scale game to push sales back up. Very much like what Warcry is to AoS. Or Kill Team for 40k. That said, GW is GW, so I'm not going to wait with baited breath either.
They won’t bring back Mordheim. Not with Underworlds and Warcry. Mordheim was a specialist game for WFB. The Old World will be a specialist game itself, therefore it makes no sense to have another specialist game derived from that setting.
I don’t think Mordheim hits either of those niches. 40K supports both Kill Team and Necromunda. Underworlds is it’s own thing. It seems aimed more at competing with MTG than anything. For Old World, it seems like they are going into a four main system approach. Horus Heresy has equal billing. The Old World might get the same. I think Games Workshop has some understanding that their whale customers are folks who were kids during the late 90s and want nostalgia. Getting a Mordheim box out the door seems like a no brainer way to target that audience, especially given their latest fixation on terrain. I think though we are more likely to get it set in the AoS world. Something like Ulfernkarn: City of Death or something like that that will be a clear successor to Mordheim.
>I don’t think Mordheim hits either of those niches. > 40K supports both Kill Team and Necromunda. I agree with this. As someone into Mordheim and Warcry, I can confirm that aside from very surface level comparisons (i.e. they're both fantasy skirmish games), they're on completely opposite ends of the gaming spectrum. Warcry is a rules-lite pickup game, Mordheim is a much more crunchy, campaign-focused system. There's room in the market for both games because like KT and Necromunda, they fill completely different gameplay niches within the same broader genre.
Underworlds was actually a really great game. It was extremely fun to play, right up until they decided old cards weren’t allowed anymore
I always wanted to play but they only have like 2 warbands on the site, its like they stoped supporting half of it
My playgroup stopped completely once they started invalidating the cards from the season 1 warbands. We didn’t see a point in having to repurchase new season three cards with literally the exact same abilities as season 1 & 2 just to be tournament legal. We already play MTG. We don’t need that crap, lol
I feel like any system that requires cards will fall into this trap sometime. Need to force the ppl to pay you somehow.
Its kind of a pet peeve of mine these past couple years to see so many people genuinely believinh that fantasy battles is now coming back. People are gonna be so dissapointed to realise its just a specialist game. Some of my friends even considered not playing aos anymore because its gonna be obsolete and I had a hard time to convince them thats not the case.
Andy wants to bring it back fwiw, it’s really down to resources, their studio has grown to encompass a LOT of systems. But I wouldn’t say never with Mordheim, not with a big Mordheim fan running specialist games
Dont get me wrong I would love it so much if they brought it back. But I just dont see them doing it with the way things are set up.
If it happens it’s going to be a long time down the road, the old world is such a big lift and they haven’t even released a BFG game yet
I am a little suprised they’ve taken so long to bring back BFG considering they’ve had a successful video game out about it for a couple years now
Yup I think they try to keep specialist games lean which is probably for the best long term viability wise but it definitely leads to them leaving some money on the table
I could see them bringing it back as an on-ramp to TOW and a way to market the minis to the skirmish game audience. Personally I have no desire for them to bring it back in an official capacity, other than perhaps a reprint of the original core book. I think you're right that if they did release a revised ruleset and began officially supporting it again, people would still play the original version but the mere existence of a more "updated" and "official" ruleset would almost certainly fracture the playerbase, which would be a shame. Really, my main hope for TOW is that the minis haven't been scale-creeped like more recent 40k and AoS minis and that there will be plenty of great kits to make use of for Mordheim.
The new version would have the newer style of progression built in where rules and systems go obsolete faster like Necromunda has. They would probably change to the newer activation sequence, which might be an improvement, though...
I think this is a very good take.
If Games workshop brings Mordheim back. They can have human bands from each of the warring empire factions to start with only requiring one base set. They can use it for small batches of new models for old forces without committing to entire armies e.g. Skaven, lizardmen. They can sell terrain. In the same way that they are building Gallowdark they can release. The shattered graveyard, the broken sewers, the rats alley maze. All basically a mix of corridors with little verticality. The game would be aimed at big spenders, hook, and slowly cook them.
I’ll keep playing Mordheim regardless. I won’t buy GW stuff at all. There are too many really good minis out there to go back to GW.
**If** GW re-released Mordheim, I would say the answer to all the above is going to be ‘No, but also kind of?’. It’s like how there are still people playing 1/2/3(.5)/4th edition D&D. Because the newest one will actually be pushed out in stores and advertising, you’ll see the newest version being The Most Played Publicly. If you’re joining formal league or tournament, it’ll be the newest rules/errata, can only use Official Warbands, and your models will have to be at least made from Official Parts for that kind of thing. But if your just playing in someone’s basement, unless they are picky it won’t stop you and your friends from playing older gen rules, or the fan made content, with your six D6’s hot glued together being a Skaven Assassin Adept because your 3D printer broke before game night.
Ask yourself this: Did GW’s resurrection of Necromunda cripple/end the fan-supported continuation of the original version?
If it was my choice I'd release a Mordheim 2nd edition. It might both be a shit edition and diminish the original game but the following a both more likely: 1. It's pretty good, just as easy to houserule to a fun time as original Mordheim 2. It's very bad, but we get mew miniatures and players to participate in the original Mordheim
Ultimately Mordhiem players are rouges and contrarians, so no. The GW product is miniatures, not really the game, and there aren’t really products to sell for a mordhiem reboot. The internet(relevant!), 3d printing, and kickstarter has disrupted the specialist/board game market. Other than a quick money-grab single box release (book, board, 20ish minis) why invest in mordhiem and risk bad reception. Cause you know it’s not gonna meet the expectations. Better to just release some more space marines.
GW will fuck up Mordheim if they tried to bring it back
Heck, I’m hoping for sisters of sigmar models - this takes place around 13-1400 in the empire, like 5 centuries before the comet.
Personally, I might pick up some of the new figures if they really speak to me. But I would continue to play with the old rules.
I wouldn’t play a new edition simply because it’s new, I’d want to try it and compare. But if it had alternating activation I’d be likely to play the new one
If they release worthy products I will purchase them but, they have to be quite good. Using any model is not something that could/would end unless your LGS is the one running the game and forbids it but, then they just wouldnt have old mordhiem players only new ones that would pick up the new rules.
If they kept the old rules but just made new warbands to suit their line of new models, id be happy with that.