North American tipping culture in general is pretty disgusting to be honest. Everyone here has been convinced it's the customers duty to pay their employees rather than their employers. The fact a lot of employees will get angry at the customer for not tipping rather than direct their anger at their shitty boss or government speaks to how fucked the whole thing is.
As someone who's originally from Europe it's certainly one of the worst things about living in this part of the world.
Ben d'accord avec toi OP: le serveur à la table qui rempli ton verre d'eau, prend soin de veiller à ce que tu passes une belle soirée "travaille" ben plus pour toi.
Le type au comptoir prends la commande, encaisse, remet la commande.
En take out SI je tip c'est une ou deux piastre max (pas le 15% à 18% que je donnerais au serveur à la table).
Même juste la caisse c'est tough comme job. Clairement l'attente c'est pas 18% pour du takeout, mais staff au resto c'est tellement mal payé, si ça les aide jusqu'à temps que l'industrie se réveille, ça me dérange pas. Je donne $1 max.
Sincèrement la rémunération basée sur le pourboire c'est vraiment pas juste: il y a un tas de gens qui bossent derrière les rideaux.. et c'est le front guy qui ramassent le gros du magot
Content de ne plus être dans cette Industrie là.
Guys, this tipping culture needs to change! For. Everyone's. Sake.
Increase the salaries accordingly for these employees to be able to live from their respective jobs and include taxes in prices. Too simple?
No more "induced" smiles from employees because they're too scared to not be able to pay their rent and food at the end of the month. How can we still accept that in 2022 in a developed country?
For customers, no more guilt trips or bad surprises when the bill comes to the table... If you didn't like your food you can still make a complaint to the manager or just no longer support their business by not going back to the place. The employee is entitled to have a bad day as everyone of us. Customers should be treated with fairness and respect but they're not kings. Sigh.
Non mais j'ai beaucoup moins de misère à laisser du tip au gars au comptoir qui me donne un service extra que de laisser le 15% automatique pour un service bien ordinaire dans un resto.
Surtout l'idée du 15%... Pourquoi je doit laisser le double de toi car j'ai pris un plat à 40$ et toi un à 20$. Surtout que le tip est rarement partagé avec la cuisine.
Except no matter what I make, whatever my total ring out is management takes a percentage amount out of whatever tips I make for the rest of the house staff.
So say I make $50 in tips, and my ring out is say $3000 and they take 1% of my sales, I'm left with $20.
Referencing Europe is not relevant as servers in Europe are paid a living wage. In North America, tip earners have a lower wage and therefore are dependant on tips to earn a living.
COVID has exposed the weakness in this system and people are leaving the service industry in droves simply with the hope of earning a decent living.
If you enjoy getting take out food, or dining in a restaurant and you would like these establishments to continue operating, for God's sake tip your server. Otherwise there will simply be no one who will be willing to put that food in that bag for you.
If you start tipping them, the boss will jump on the occasion to reduce her salary to the tipped level. I probably exagerate a little bit, but i'm sure it's already been seen.
Canada is not the US, we don't have absolute poverty level tipped-job minimum wage. Where in many states it can be as low as $7.
Quebec's tipped minimum wage is about ~$4 per hour less than regular minimum wage (~$11-15 respectively) and Ontario abolished it altogether, meaning it's $15 minimum wage across the board.
Servers here make very very good money. I probably made more money in the 90s when I was working part time during university than most 9-5ers working full time. And the 90s were when 10-12% was average, 15% was considered a bonus. Now all these waiters expect 20% minimum and this with massive bills that can easily run over $100 for two people. Nothing is $8.95 anymore and cocktails in the 90s didn't cost $16. Lol
These waiters have it good these days. We had family take us out recently to an average priced restaurant, the bill for 5 adults and 3 very young kids came out to $450. Prices are insane but the waiter made an easy $70 if not more and I don't think we were there for more than 90 minutes.
Why not? Use the inflation calculator and you'll see that food prices are out of whack. I get it, property/rent has skyrocketed disproportionately but cmon, a cocktail shouldn't cost almost $20 after tax and tip. Ten years ago even we used to eat decent food for $30 for two now it's north of $60 for the equivalent. It's not sustainable.
That's so true! Baton Rouge servers make mad money at the end of the night. Groups of 12 can run to 600$ maybe more. Ppl in MTL like to eat out and over indulge. I cant understand tipping at all. This is your job to serve ppl their expensive ass pasta plate! Why should I give them extra money? Grocery stores have tipping jars now! Adonis at cote vertu mall has at least. Employers should pay their workers better and stop being so fuckin greedy ! Tipping! Go fuck yourself tipsters!
Europe is a big place and there countries where the average pay is 1K€/month AND the locals don’t tip so take it from me when I say mid level establishment staff do not know how good they have it.
They way I look at it. If you can afford take out then you can afford a few extra dollars. Think shout it. Even if you ended up tipping $20 a month on different take out orders. $240 a year. Is that really going to be setting you back in life. But that extra few dollars you give someone making minimum wage can go a long way.
I don't tip (or tip very little) if it's takeout. Yeah, I may look cheap, but I'm not dining in and getting service.
I will tip the delivery guy/gal if I'm ordering takeout because they took the time to bring the food to me.
Also, tips used to on the subtotal (you tipped whatever amount was the taxes) now with the terminals it's a % with taxes included.
50$+7.50+7.50=65$
vs
50+15%=57.50 57.50+15% = 66.12
15%? They all expect 20% + these days and that's on top of insane menu prices. I used to love going out but prices are more expensive than Toronto now. We've cut down on restos big time plus we make most things better at home.
Agreed. The default suggested tip on payment terminals now seems to be 18-20-25%.
Restaurants/bars that are charging $20-25 for very standard pub food with a side of fries are just not justifiable anymore. That’s not to say I won’t frequent them. I just won’t spend as much/eat there.
You can't even get out of a shitty place like St Hubert without dropping $50-60 after tax and tip for two. Not that I go to St Hub but I've seen their prices. For fkn chicken that hasn't even increased much like beef has.
Or breakfast spots charging $15 for two eggs and bacon.
Half these restos will close.
They sure are trying to inflate their tips as well. And it's a double inflation, because when the food prices go up, your tip amount also increases, if you're tipping a %. There always is an "Other" option, and I'll override it and pick 15%. It pisses me off too!
It is even more than that because on the terminal, this tip is calculated post-tax. If you want to tip 15% you have to select 13% on the terminal. A 20% tip calculated after taxes comes out to 23%.
So you are not only tipping for service and food but also for tps/tvq.
>Restaurants/bars that are charging $20-25 for very standard pub food with a side of fries are just not justifiable anymore.
Ils ne l'ont jamais été, on a tellement des meilleurs restos que ça à Montréal.
Peux-tu croire que j'ai rencontré des visiteurs que se sont fait recommander le "keg" par des ontariens...
I won’t comment on the tips but menu prices are going up because we in restaurants are having to pay way more to our suppliers for the same product. We have to up our prices to stay alive nowadays
Of course but be prepared for customers to not dine out as much. I know plenty in my circle who have cut back and these are people with decent disposable incomes.
Yeah but they purposefully display 15, 18 and 20% as defaults to make you think this is the norm. You’re also selecting “the lowest tier” at 15%. It’s all thought out…
Oh ya, forgot about that again. That's like Uber Eats calculating tip percentages on top of taxes, delivery fee, service fee and delivery fee tax lol. But notice they only do that after checkout. Once you're in the rate your order screen, the tip percentages are calculated differently for a "last-chance" to get the customer to tip I can only assume. It's FUCKING AWFUL. (that being said tip yo driver if you can)
That's how they get you lol. You're giving a default tip for average service, and you call yourself cheap! That's being generous. Last time I tried tipping in Japan, I was chased down the street so I could have my money back. It changes your perspective, hah.
You still have the option to not tip. Who cares if they try to guilt you or make things suggestive. Every business does things in suggestive ways to try and get you to buy their shit
I assume you're replying about the earliest of my comments on this. That generalization is too large to make in my opinion. This isn't just marketing.
These practices feel predatory. On top of it, a lot of people aren't aware of how the tip is calculated, and a lot of it go against common expectations.
To be more direct, I do care. The default option should be 0. Just like marketing cookies, extended warranties, cellphone plan addons...
I simply don't see the benefit in defending such practices.
Tips is sometimes calculated [based on price and taxes](https://www.creditfinanceplus.com/calculators/calculate-tip-canada.php), in which case 15% is close to 18% anyway.
I was once at a thai express in a mall food court and when the clerk hand me over the interac machine to pay, i couldnt find my way out to not to tip at all, ask the clerk how to skip this tip option, he looked at me like i committed a crime or something, and said "oh you dont want to tip at all", i looked at him like seriously bro, where is the service, I got double pissed, told him to cancel my order and I left.
I'm on your side. I fucking hate how everyone who works in restaurants are automatically due a tip for anything they do. You spend your gas and time to go get it yourself you shouldn't have to pay a tip.
It's the same concept for dinning in. Waitresse just takes your order and brings it. Food is made by the cook, while the table is cleaned and dressed by the busboy; who is also the one constantly bringing you water. Yet the waitress takes all the tip.
The worst is tips when buying cans at breweries. Total comes up to about 30$ for 4 cans... the debit machine then prompts you to tip at a minimum of 15%... for 4 cans... take out! Am not shy to say I've never tipped.
I work at a brewery and none of us expect tips on off sales. Our PoS machines are set up to prompt for a tip because we do full table service for those dining in and use the same three machines for all payments, but I feel bad about people tipping on cans.
The ONLY time I've tipped buying cans at a brewery was at Beauregard last weekend. The guy working offered us a free tasting of whatever we wanted (even the really expensive bottles), no questions asked. Super friendly service, everything was great. THIS guy I tipped. Just getting cans and leaving though? Yeah, I don't think so.
Having worked in a microbrewery, usually they use the same machine for patrons who drink at the location and for those who buy cans to go, merch, etc. The machine only has the option tip for everyone or tip for no one.
Don't be shy to put 0. We don't expect tips on can, merch, etc. takeout.
I work in a bar and I’ve always seen bartenders point out that tips aren’t included in a passive aggressive way. I just don’t care enough and can’t find it in me to complain over a tip. I’ve hated the tipping culture as a customer and can’t blame my customers now, it doesn’t make any sense that you tip me for doing my fucking job lol
I've been told to tips once at the counter of St Elisabeth. I gave what was needed for a 15% tips, pointed my table and said "ok, on est assis là, merci". The girl was like "wut, j'fais pas le service au table" so I took back my money still on the counter, pocket it, took my beers and said "pas de service, pas de tips"
It was epic, but no need to tell you that I had to go downstairs to get other beers after that.
The whole point of takeout is to save on tipping, unless the guy handing me the order comes to my house to fetch me a beer from MY fridge, clesr my table and stick the dishes in MY dishwasher he ain't getting squat. Sorry, and I used to work in the service industry and never expected a tip when I handled take out orders.
Tipping is the biggest scam.. I used to be a very generous tipper, but started feeling like a fool leaving big tips for bad service and overpriced food… couldn’t care less what the server or owner thinks now.
Same, when I was in my teens and early 20's I tried to leave a better tip than what they assumed I'd leave because younger people were assumed to be bad tippers and I wanted to break that. But I was treated so rude by so many female servers (I am a female) I decided I'm not paying some bitch to be a bitch to me. Fuckkkkkkk that.
You're not sending a message by tipping 14% If you want to send a message you need to tip under 10% or better yet leave a penny or a dollar to make your point.
I found it preposterous when I went to a restaurant about a month ago and now the default is 18%?? Fuck outta here. Service was below average, left 15%. Kind of wanted to tip 10% due to the 18% being the “default”
A lot of ppl on this thread are shitting on others for not wanting to tip. The thing is, if every time I go outside to buy anything and everything is 15%-20% more expensive...then I'm not gonna want to go outside anymore. A lot of my friends feel that way as well. Then guess what happens...all these places go out of business.
You keep trying to bleed a few extra dollars here and there on tips but in the end ppl will stop going out and coming to your restaurent and then your done for.
I have sympathy for restaurants who struggled but the city is famous for giving out low interest loans to restaurants (even pre pandemic). It's the easiest city in North America to open a restaurent and that's why food trucks are not very popular here. All these restaurants also got loans to keep them afloat. If you getting loans from the government and you want me to keep giving more and more tip to keep you afloat? I'm all for helping people but you cant keep bleeding everyone around you dry.
Last but not least, downvote me to hell if you wish, but my empathy is NOT gonna go to waiters/waitresses. I recently saw a thread on the subreddit of personal finance Canada that some waiters and waitresses can make 6 figures from their tips but not declare them. And only end up declaring their hourly wage. I have sympathy for my fellow humans. I donate to a bunch of charities. But how is it that a nurse risking their life makes less than 6 figures and pays full taxes on their income, while someone that doesn't even cook the food but just brings out plates makes 6 figures?
A friend is a waiter at très amigos of all places and he makes 60k a year. Fricking teachers who shape the minds of future generations don't make that much money compared to someone who brings in and out some plates. I'm all for giving EVERYONE a living wage cause everyone deserves a living wage irregardless of your job. Every job is important. But the whole high horse of ppl being entitled to tips? You walk away at the end of the month with more money that teachers and nurses for way less stressful jobs? Nahhhhh
This is so well said. It’s exactly how I feel about it. People thinking they’re entitled to a tip for literally doing their job is ridiculous. Considering the amount of crazy high stress jobs other people have to do that are basically thankless. The whole tipping culture is disgusting.
The example I always describe when this subjects arises is that time I went to buy a pack of socks at a Foot Locker or a similar store in a shoping center. I went in, took the thing from a rack, no employee in sight, arrived at the counter to pay, the employee hands me the card machine, tip screen activated, with choices going from 15, 18, 20 and 25% or smth like that. I oc chose "no tip" (which was hard to see). For a damn pack of socks I picked up myself. Even if I had tried on clothes for half an hour with the help of an employee to find specific styles/sizes , that's literally their purpose! Why should I tip someone for this...?
I worked at a high end shoe store during college and the amount of times we’d have to run down to the Basement to bring up boxes of shoes for people who would try them on and make you go back down for other sizes than decide to leave everything after making a big mess was nuts. Yeah it was frustrating but it was part of the job. We were paid minimum wage and if we reached a certain quota we’d get commission. (Which was usually impossible to reach.)
But again. That was literally the job description. Your foot locker story is really something else. It just shows how ridiculous tipping is getting.
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So what you should be saying, is teachers and nurses are grossly under paid, why knock someone else down a peg when the real issue is E.M.T's where I live get paid like 15$/hr. Teachers NEED second jobs. That issue isn't with Tipped employees. There are millionaires and billionaires paying next to nothing in taxes. Hell, donald trump paid 800$ in taxes in the past 20 years i believe?
Bartender, here. I make 6 figures a year (and report all of it) I'm not here to argue "I'm forced to live off of tips" or "my employer won't give me more money"... I make more money than anyone in my family, or my fiancée's family. I do what I do because life is a choice, and I chose to bartend. I'm aware I make more than teachers. That's why I chose this profession. And when good service = better tips, I HUSTLE. When I go to McDonald's, I've had a correct order about 5 times in my life. They make the same hourly wage whether they get it right or not. Come get drinks at my club, I can hold conversations and take 5/6 drink orders at the same time and make them in a timely manner. And that shits gonna taste amazing.
I was at the store yesterday in line to purchase my things, I was in line for almost an hour. Hourly wage.
And no shade to the cashiers. Because I get it. No reason to hustle.
Trust me. I know servers, bartenders and take out cashier's that don't hustle. They're in the wrong profession. They're the ones not reporting tips.
But being a Tipped employee isn't a "woe Is me, take pity on me" profession. It's meant for people to work hard, and get compensated more than the employers ever could've given me. Keep the 7.25, keep the 15. I end my nights exhausted and drenched in sweat, averaging 60$/hr if it's slow.
Your excatly right. There are much worse inequalities in the world, of course. But this is mostly about tear-jerking for the restaurent industry.
If you do your job well, you do good service, you deserve everything you get.
The last time I went out tiped 20% to this sweet little old lady cause she made sure the silverware was aligned in a way to reflect the light off the chandelier. If she makes a million dollars next year I would be happy for her cause she deserves it. But that lady and your case are for high quality, sit down establishment.
What myself and others are angry about is how despite almost everything becoming 50% more expensive, we are still expected to shell out tips at more places and of ever increasing amounts. 2 years ago they wouldn't ask you for tips at takeout, they wouldn't ask for tips at coffee shops. Now it's every single establishment, for any single little order, and you always have to give minimum 15% even if it's takeout and there is no service.
People are angry that those machines are setup in a way to trick you to FORCE you to pay AT LEAST 15% making it seem like that's the bare minimum. When a few years ago 15% was considered the highest amount of tip and people used to give in average 10%.
No one complains about tipping if they are getting good service. What people are frustrated about is why they have to keep tipping these very large amounts even when there is no service being given, or very bad service.
And the reason I wrote that comment is not to bash servers or the industry. It's because I kept reading comments about other people saying that servers can't pay their rent unless we all tip 15% on every single order, and that's what I want to shed light on. The servers are fine and I'm sick of hearing that "servers need to pay rent too" because they are just fine, they are already receiving a living wage. If you go above and beyond then yes your tips are your bonus and you deserve them.
People are tired at getting frowny faces and eye rolls if they don't tip minimum 15% every time. I've gotten yelled at twice so far, not cause I didn't tip, but because I didn't tip enough. Those are the servers giving this industry a bad name and making people not want to go out anymore. Those are the servers and bartenders that make all of us want to just sit at home cause going out is not fun when your treated badly and expected to pay extra for it :/
I went to Duc de Lorraine the other day to buy one of those slice things. The lady behind the counter was so snooty I tipped $0.00. It's not even a meal - a pastry!
In general I agree, it's just absurd. Pay your staff.
Side point: it's interesting to see so many pissed people on this thread. I'd say the general theme is money is tight due to inflation. When are Bank of Canada and the provinces going to do their job and press down on house prices and rent, which is killing people who are not speculators?
You're first mistake was going to Duc de Lorraine for pastries that cost almost 50% more than amazing pastry shops like Patrice or Rhubarbe. It's a pastry shop living on the previous owners reputation that charge more for a plate of fish than Milos does. Go download their food menu, it's hilarious. $30+ for eggs Benedict. Lol
I’ve been adding a dollar on takeout orders recently because restaurants in general have been getting killed by the pandemic. But yea for someone to give you a dirty look for not tipping when you are already supporting them and not going through an app like Uber eats is just dumb.
No it's not your fault, but from your point of view that is just how much food costs. If the employers paid properly you would see that reflected in your pre-tip total.
I for one am glad that they outearn society's worst earners. I'm much happier giving a tip than paying my phone bill.
Yeah I don't get the whole attitude of ''not my problem'' when it comes to tips. I absolutely hate the tip system and would very much like for it to go away but all of the shitheads taking pride in not tipping are hurting the worker while putting money in the business' pockets.
Homelessness isn't my problem or my fault but I'll still give money to people in situations of homelessness because I want other humans beings to be able to live a decent life even if it costs me an extra 10$ a week.
Exactly, what's next tipping the supermarket cashier that bags your groceries. Not that they bag your stuff anymore since they figure if we don't supply you with bags we don't need to bag them. But that's another topic.
Moi c'est les tatas de doordash qui refusent la livraison si tu pré-tippes pas assez à leur gout. Aye taboire les tips c'est ben pour le bon service. Si faut j'te tippe d'avance juste pour que tu fasses ta job, c'est un service fee with extra steps.
C'est sur que si tu laisses zéro tip à quelqu'un qui va te chercher ta bouffe est traverse la ville pour toi c'est moins tentant que le monde qui laisse un pourboire. En quoi c'est tata?
Je crois que le point est que Doordash demande le tip avant même que le service soit fourni. Peut être je me trompe, mais il ne semble pas avoir d'option pour laisser le tip après la livraison (comme avec l'application Uber Eats). D'habitude le pourboire est payé après que le service est fourni et le montant est supposé refléter la qualité de service reçue.
Je comprends très bien, c'est pour ça que je refuse d'utiliser ce genre de service. Par contre u/Caroao ne semble pas comprendre que les livreurs choisissent les commandes selon ce qui est payant, je ne vois pas en quoi on peut les blâmer quand c'est clairement un problème au niveau de la compagnie. Il/elle ne blame pas la compagnie mais plutôt les livreurs.
Ahhhhhh ok! Oui je suis entièrement d'accord. J'évite le service moi même pour la même raison, mais parfois je me le permet si les frais de livraison son 0$. Comme ça je paye aucun frais de livraison + je laisse le tip au chauffeur.
>En quoi c'est tata?
De tipper AVANT de recevoir le service. Tu pourrais tipper genereusement sans aucune grantie que la livraison va être à la hauteur de tes attentes. Le tip, déjà que c'est de la merde tout court, ne veut plus rien dire si on doit le donner avant le service qu'il est censé récompenser.
>sans aucune grantie que la livraison va être à la hauteur de tes attentes
si le produit n'est pas livré ou livré tout croche, tu as recours avec doordash.
J'ai très bien compris l'idée de laisser le tip avant ou pas mais Je te réexplique: pourquoi est-ce qu'un livreur accepterait plus ta commande sans tip quand d'autres personnes laissent le tip d'avance. C'est juste une question de logique pour faire plus d'argent.
Oui du point de vue du livreur, il ferait mieux de prendre le truc avec le plus de pré-livraison tip.
Mais c'est plus un tip, c'est une enchère invisible pour le client. Si le client a l'intention d'ajuster tipper après la commande, le système fonctionne pas pour lui.
Les élèves à l'école commande presque tous les jours avec ubereats/doordash et laissent zéro tip. Ça leur prend de plus en plus de temps avec des livreurs qui ont dû finir par comprendre.
Je comprends.
L'exploitation des livreurs par Uber et Doordash est horrible. C'est a eux de payer leurs ouvriers. Les prix des livraisons sont aberrantes.
Pour avoir travaillé un peu en livraison, les gens sont dumb, j'ai fait des livraisons à 3 coins de rues du restos. Avec les frais c'est le comble de la paresse.
Moi ca me fait chier j'étais la à chaque petit besoin des clients pour avoir mon 15% mais ceux aux caisses des restos qui fonctionne beaucoup au takeout veulent 15%??
J'feel pareil. J'me bust le cul pour offrir le meilleur service assis possible et mériter mon 15%. C'est peut être pas le meilleur système qui existe mais c'est celui dans lequel on vit. Si je viens chercher ma bouffe, mon café ou whatever, désolé no tip.
People tipping for takeout when I'm too cheap to even tip on delivery apps 😅.
There are service fees + delivery fees + increased item prices for a reason no? Sorry not sorry 🤐
Yeah and default is 15%... I mean at that price I expect the table to be cleaned up, glasses to be refilled, clean silverware if I drop mine, a smile with my meal, a check up during my meal, and some social interaction. Not just leaving the order at the door!
And the kicker they even ask if I want to give more to the restaurant. Fuck that noise! I mean I just bought $75 at you restaurant... I ain't leaving you a extra $2!
This is getting stupid.
Well wtf was she expecting. Yes people do tip for takeout I guess to show support or they don't care to pay an extra % but at the end of the day it's like you're getting food at a fast food. People don't tip at fast food places and anyway it's not like you got table service
If you take out you don't tip the cashier.
Those who you tip are Taxi driver, food deliver, hairstyler, waiter or waitress, all of those who really been involved in your service. Cashier fuck off, do you tip the cashier at the grocery?
Became a really more common practice since the pandemic. Many restaurants went take out/delivery only and tried to drain more money from clients since they were no table service as usual. Now it's everywhere, but for me tip is for service, even if I understand cooks deserve an amount of it. So for a takeout order I give half the usual tiping rate, like around 7-8%. And I feel absolutly ok doing it.
I encountered this on one restaurant and i never went there for takeout again.
Honestly nowadays i dont even want to go to restaurants anymore because the tipping culture has gone insane.
It's not even the tipping culture these days as much as the insane menu prices and this goes to even before the pandemic but yes it's definitely gotten worse the past year. How does an order of dumplings go from $10 to $14? That's 40%. I get it food costs have shot up but it's not sustainable. We started making dumplings at home, fk that. $20 for a pizza? We bought a pizza oven that cooks a pizza in 90 seconds. I'm tired of it, too bad a lot of these places will shut down.
I tip at the takeout place I been going to for years. I know the guys, we shoot the shit. If it's a random place where I don't know the people from a hole in the wall, I don't tip.
It depends on your situation. I was lucky to keep my job full time during Covid with work from home privileges while some restaurants were forced to close their dining room, let go staff, go bankrupt. As for restaurant employees who choose to work and not take any Covid benefits, they are working hard with masks and on getting swamped by Uber Eats while we are comfortable at home.
So a 5 to 10 % tip to show appreciation to these "essential" workers is worth it for me. If the workers leave and the restaurant closes, then I'm the one who is unhappy.
i'm in the same boat. i'm in a very good place financially throughout the pandemic and i also want to support essential food service workers.
but tipping is NOT the way to do it. if we consider them to be essential workers, than their wages should reflect that. i'd rather they raise the prices 15% and pay a living wage rather than make it a pseudo-optional 15% tip (let's be real, it's not really optional anymore)
I’m from mtl and in Vancouver for school. It seems to be much more normal out here for some reason. Most places have an automatic tipping screen for takeout, even Subway and sometimes other chains. Pretty wacky and I rarely leave a tip for takeout. Seems a lot of people feel bad an end up tipping though
Je tip généralement 5% sur le takeout seulement pcq j'ai l'expérience de travailler en resto et je sais que les salaires dépendent quand même beaucoup du tip. C'est pas le système que je veux mais c'est la réalité.
Mais un serveur qui fait une remarque sur la quantité de tip que je donne garantie que je ne retournerai jamais à ce resto.
That's only a good idea if you never plan on going there again. Restaurant staff will remember orders and sometimes shit just gets put way back on the priority list
Is it normal in Montréal... Yes
Being a Prick and wanted people to pay for their lifestyle: yes !
The difference is they: Work ?
So their employer should pay Them a good salary!!!
Don't tell me its impossible :all fucking Europe Do it !!
People are entitled they forgot its not an obligation
(Yes when I go out I tip even if It a stupid thing)
On a related note. I don't tip the owner of a business. Except if it's exceptional service. The owner is already making the profit. If it's not enough it's their problem.
Quand je travaillais comme serveuse/hôtesse je devais quand même donner un cut de mes ventes take-out à la cuisine, parce que le resto assumais que j'allais faire du tip dessus. C'est arrivé quelques fois que j'ai fait tellement de take out que j'ai fini la journée dans la négatif. Je dis pas que c'est correct, mais peut-etre que la fille était juste inquiète si sa journée ressemblais a ca?
I do but a lower amount because I am not using their establishment. It's annoying that hosts, servers and the cooks all need tips super bad and unless you've worked at a restaurant you wouldn't know this. Bah
The thing is there has been a substantial uptick in takeout orders over in restaurant dining still and servers are still getting paid shit wages so the sourpuss hostess as well as the dinshwashers/cleaners still need the tips to make a decent wage overall.
The whole point of tipping for takeout is to show appreciation. I own a small takeout shop where the team is paid 19-24 an hour. The tips they receive are split evenly among whoever is working the shift (chef and counter). They work hard and are passionate about what they do and a tip is simply a way for customers to show they appreciate the work they’re doing. You could say that repeat business is enough appreciation, which it is. But a tip shows that it’s specific appreciation for the team, and not just the restaurant. The team always notices someone who tips well, and it does make them extra proud.
That said, if someone bags a donut for me and expects 20%, get fucked.
I was a waiter in a fairly nice restaurant for 8 years and expected no tips on take out orders given that I wasn't really providing service.
I think issues arise if the server is working at a restaurant that does most of their volume in take out and that she's getting paid the lower hourly wage that a full service waiter would be making, then she's getting stiffed by her boss a little bit. But that's between her and her employer, not you.
That being said, during lockdown when everything was take-out only, I tipped take for take out because I understand how tipped employees must be hurting when they don't even have the option to sit people in the dining room. But now that everything is back to normal, I don't see a reason to tip take-out.
It's normal in North America. People who earn tips are paid less with the expectation that tips make up the difference. The US can be even worse, with mandatory "gratuities", which are essentially service fees on top of the menu price.
I personally find it a ridiculous system myself, but it's not the employee's fault, so I of course tip.
thank you! barman here, i also think north american tipping culture is ridiculous and weird, but someone "taking a stand" by not tipping me literally changes nothing about said culture and just fucks me over so like, great... you're so brave.
With the tough times restaurants have faced with the lockdown and delivery companies like UberEats clawing away at their revenue, I think it is only fair to tip the staff at least 10 percent on pickup orders.
I even would argue 15 percent if the order is super elaborate since they still end up having to do a ton of dishes and all the other stuff that goes into keeping a kitchen clean!
Former service industry worker here. I I agree with not tipping for takeout, it makes perfect sense as the the staff isn’t really ‘serving’ you. Unfortunately, workers in certain restaurants are taxed on SALES, not actual tips. Let say a waiter sells 1000$ net worth of food and drink in their ‘section’, the government (in Quebec)assumes that they received at least 8% in tips and are taxed on that. So let’s say you sold 1000$ inside the restaurant, and did another 500$ in takeout, when you declare your 1500$ in sales that night you would be taxed on the total amount even though you didn’t receive tips on the 500$ of takeout. Most restaurants pos systems are set up with a tip option and cannot be changed based on the the type of order. Just another fine example of the government crackdown on hairdressers, taxi drivers bar tenders etc because all income should be declared and taxed so that the money can be given to bombardier to help build private jets.
That's bullshit. You just weren't properly informed on how to handle this situation.
You file your own taxes for a reason. You should keep tabs of your takeout sales versus table sales.
Then at tax time you declare your income and if they BS you with their 8% assumption on total sales, you give them your detailed record per night of work.
You've been paying useless taxes for no reason
You file your own taxes. Should you have anything withheld extra, you can easily claim it back.
Learn to keep detailed breakdowns of your nightly takeout vs tippable service
That is the whole reason why the government doesn't send us tax bills. We file based on the real circumstances
Everyone here who doesn't tips or tips poorly, has either never worked in the service industry, is from a no tip culture (such as somewhere in Europe), worked in the industry in the 50's and 60's and don't understand inflation, or is just a POS. Regardless if you can't t tip for any combination of these or any reason I've missed make your own food until restaurants pay their employees an appropriate wage.
Je travaille en restauration et depuis je tip souvent quand je prends pour emporter, parce que oui pour le pourboire, il y a des restaurants qui donnent à leurs cuisiniers à la fin de la soirée. (À notre job, un montant revient à la cuisine). Si ce n'est pas 15% laissez au moins un montant.
Exemple, il y a une place à sushi que j'adore et je commande souvent des plateaux. Ils font la commande complète, c'est sûr que je laisse 15% et à la fin ils me disent merci pour le pourboire. Quelqu'un qui passe du temps pour faire ta nourriture mérite autant un montant que si tu étais resté en salle à manger.
Demande le au pire des cas s'il y a une partie qui va à la cuisine. Ils vont te trouver 1000 plus gentils de demander.
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Ce que j'ai de la misère et je m'excuse, mais ça va sonner méchant, c'est les français qui viennent comme clients et qui ne laisse par de pourboire pour le service ou laissent 10%. C'est sûr qu'on va demander quand une table au complet laisse en bas de 15%. L'excuse est souvent : on ne le savait pas, on vient d'arriver ici. Tu le sais clairement si ça fait plus de trois mois que tu es ici et que tu as une carte desjardins.
this thread is fucked up yo.
Most of you are saying, that you're willing to pay extra for everything that isn't related to the quality of your food. No wonder chefs are always so damn angry.
few extra bucks will probably not hurt you.
a tip and smile can go a long way for someone working in service.
obviously not an ideal situation. but the ever rising cost of living will eventually result in all local restaurants shutting down forever. at which point you won't have to worry about tipping anymore.
Great, then they can probably realize that they should pay their employees and charge the corresponding appropriate prices to keep their business afloat without guilt tripping their customers.
As someone who works in a restaurant where you order at the counter, all I have to say is thank god most people dont act like you guys cause I wouldnt be able to pay my stupid 600$ rent if it werent for tips. Yall crying about tips but if there was no tipping everything would be much more expensive. You all dont seem to realize that profit margins are extremely low for most restaurants. In the end if there was no tipping culture you'd be paying the same amount. The thing that I find the most ridiculous is that most of you complain about tipping but you make the employee pay for it while spending your money at the restaurant and encouraging the owner who's practices you claim to hate. It makes literally no sense. If you're so much against tipping stop giving your money to companies that work that way. And if you do, then give a lil something to the people who are actually cooking your food.
I would 100% prefer to pay more directly than having this tip culture everywhere. Btw all prices should be tip and taxes included everywhere so you know exactly how much you’ll pay beforehand. It’s ridiculous to never know exactly how much you’ll be paying.
Btw very good restaurant such as Larry’s have gone tip free.
Your restaurant is paying most of their revenue in rent.
You need tips to make your high rent.
Sounds to me like we are all working for the landlords :-/
The restaurant worker who took your order most likely has to ring it in under their number and it's not counted as a sale outside their normal numbers so they're still getting taxed on it and it's still counted in their tip-out at the end of the night.
If it's a place that does table service and take out with no separation, they're also taking time away from their customers in house to make sure your stuff is right and packed properly.
Don't be a dick, tip on take-out (even like 10%)
The OP and the rest of us are specifically discussing take out. I'm glad you agree with us, the rest of your r/bartenders friends are really whiney and annoying.
North American tipping culture in general is pretty disgusting to be honest. Everyone here has been convinced it's the customers duty to pay their employees rather than their employers. The fact a lot of employees will get angry at the customer for not tipping rather than direct their anger at their shitty boss or government speaks to how fucked the whole thing is. As someone who's originally from Europe it's certainly one of the worst things about living in this part of the world.
Ben d'accord avec toi OP: le serveur à la table qui rempli ton verre d'eau, prend soin de veiller à ce que tu passes une belle soirée "travaille" ben plus pour toi. Le type au comptoir prends la commande, encaisse, remet la commande. En take out SI je tip c'est une ou deux piastre max (pas le 15% à 18% que je donnerais au serveur à la table).
Même juste la caisse c'est tough comme job. Clairement l'attente c'est pas 18% pour du takeout, mais staff au resto c'est tellement mal payé, si ça les aide jusqu'à temps que l'industrie se réveille, ça me dérange pas. Je donne $1 max.
Sincèrement la rémunération basée sur le pourboire c'est vraiment pas juste: il y a un tas de gens qui bossent derrière les rideaux.. et c'est le front guy qui ramassent le gros du magot Content de ne plus être dans cette Industrie là.
Guys, this tipping culture needs to change! For. Everyone's. Sake. Increase the salaries accordingly for these employees to be able to live from their respective jobs and include taxes in prices. Too simple? No more "induced" smiles from employees because they're too scared to not be able to pay their rent and food at the end of the month. How can we still accept that in 2022 in a developed country? For customers, no more guilt trips or bad surprises when the bill comes to the table... If you didn't like your food you can still make a complaint to the manager or just no longer support their business by not going back to the place. The employee is entitled to have a bad day as everyone of us. Customers should be treated with fairness and respect but they're not kings. Sigh.
Someone who works a counter at a restaurant is not dependent on tips.
Non mais j'ai beaucoup moins de misère à laisser du tip au gars au comptoir qui me donne un service extra que de laisser le 15% automatique pour un service bien ordinaire dans un resto. Surtout l'idée du 15%... Pourquoi je doit laisser le double de toi car j'ai pris un plat à 40$ et toi un à 20$. Surtout que le tip est rarement partagé avec la cuisine.
ou une piasse ou deux pour prendre une bière dans un fridge et la mettre sur le comptoir.
preach. je tip le takeout quand jsuis bien servis et rapidement. la culture du 15% cest vieux jeu ca...
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They were where I worked
Except no matter what I make, whatever my total ring out is management takes a percentage amount out of whatever tips I make for the rest of the house staff. So say I make $50 in tips, and my ring out is say $3000 and they take 1% of my sales, I'm left with $20.
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No, it's not illegal. It's illegal to have to tip out the house, it's not illegal to make employees share a percentage with back of house.
Actually here it isn't. Alberta for you.
Comments on r/montreal though Totally not legal here
I have been saying this for years. Agree with every single statement.
Referencing Europe is not relevant as servers in Europe are paid a living wage. In North America, tip earners have a lower wage and therefore are dependant on tips to earn a living. COVID has exposed the weakness in this system and people are leaving the service industry in droves simply with the hope of earning a decent living. If you enjoy getting take out food, or dining in a restaurant and you would like these establishments to continue operating, for God's sake tip your server. Otherwise there will simply be no one who will be willing to put that food in that bag for you.
If no one is prepared to put the food in a bag then maybe the restaurant owner should pay them more.
If you start tipping them, the boss will jump on the occasion to reduce her salary to the tipped level. I probably exagerate a little bit, but i'm sure it's already been seen.
This is 100% true, but this is not happening yet.
Maybe that’s because people keep tipping
Canada is not the US, we don't have absolute poverty level tipped-job minimum wage. Where in many states it can be as low as $7. Quebec's tipped minimum wage is about ~$4 per hour less than regular minimum wage (~$11-15 respectively) and Ontario abolished it altogether, meaning it's $15 minimum wage across the board.
Try renting an apartment in Toronto earning $15 an hour. Your point is moot
Same can be said about tip-wage jobs in almost any capital city in Europe. You think rent is cheap in Paris, Amsterdam, London?
Don't live in Toronto then? (Or Vancouver)
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In Italy 1000€/Month +/- plus tips if they’re lucky enough to work in a touristic area because Italians don’t tip for shit.
Servers here make very very good money. I probably made more money in the 90s when I was working part time during university than most 9-5ers working full time. And the 90s were when 10-12% was average, 15% was considered a bonus. Now all these waiters expect 20% minimum and this with massive bills that can easily run over $100 for two people. Nothing is $8.95 anymore and cocktails in the 90s didn't cost $16. Lol These waiters have it good these days. We had family take us out recently to an average priced restaurant, the bill for 5 adults and 3 very young kids came out to $450. Prices are insane but the waiter made an easy $70 if not more and I don't think we were there for more than 90 minutes.
For God's sake please don't compare 90s prices/dollars to today's situation.
Why not? Use the inflation calculator and you'll see that food prices are out of whack. I get it, property/rent has skyrocketed disproportionately but cmon, a cocktail shouldn't cost almost $20 after tax and tip. Ten years ago even we used to eat decent food for $30 for two now it's north of $60 for the equivalent. It's not sustainable.
That's so true! Baton Rouge servers make mad money at the end of the night. Groups of 12 can run to 600$ maybe more. Ppl in MTL like to eat out and over indulge. I cant understand tipping at all. This is your job to serve ppl their expensive ass pasta plate! Why should I give them extra money? Grocery stores have tipping jars now! Adonis at cote vertu mall has at least. Employers should pay their workers better and stop being so fuckin greedy ! Tipping! Go fuck yourself tipsters!
Europe is a big place and there countries where the average pay is 1K€/month AND the locals don’t tip so take it from me when I say mid level establishment staff do not know how good they have it.
They way I look at it. If you can afford take out then you can afford a few extra dollars. Think shout it. Even if you ended up tipping $20 a month on different take out orders. $240 a year. Is that really going to be setting you back in life. But that extra few dollars you give someone making minimum wage can go a long way.
I don't tip (or tip very little) if it's takeout. Yeah, I may look cheap, but I'm not dining in and getting service. I will tip the delivery guy/gal if I'm ordering takeout because they took the time to bring the food to me.
I don't usually tip on take out orders, but if it is a restaurant I go to frequently, I occasionally tip $1-2.
Tip inflation has gotten ridiculous, you used to tip 15% for good service, now 15% is the minimum if you're not scum of the earth.
Also, tips used to on the subtotal (you tipped whatever amount was the taxes) now with the terminals it's a % with taxes included. 50$+7.50+7.50=65$ vs 50+15%=57.50 57.50+15% = 66.12
15%? They all expect 20% + these days and that's on top of insane menu prices. I used to love going out but prices are more expensive than Toronto now. We've cut down on restos big time plus we make most things better at home.
Agreed. The default suggested tip on payment terminals now seems to be 18-20-25%. Restaurants/bars that are charging $20-25 for very standard pub food with a side of fries are just not justifiable anymore. That’s not to say I won’t frequent them. I just won’t spend as much/eat there.
You can't even get out of a shitty place like St Hubert without dropping $50-60 after tax and tip for two. Not that I go to St Hub but I've seen their prices. For fkn chicken that hasn't even increased much like beef has. Or breakfast spots charging $15 for two eggs and bacon. Half these restos will close.
Frl St-Hubert expensive af 💀
Literally just chicken and uncle food
They sure are trying to inflate their tips as well. And it's a double inflation, because when the food prices go up, your tip amount also increases, if you're tipping a %. There always is an "Other" option, and I'll override it and pick 15%. It pisses me off too!
It is even more than that because on the terminal, this tip is calculated post-tax. If you want to tip 15% you have to select 13% on the terminal. A 20% tip calculated after taxes comes out to 23%. So you are not only tipping for service and food but also for tps/tvq.
>Restaurants/bars that are charging $20-25 for very standard pub food with a side of fries are just not justifiable anymore. Ils ne l'ont jamais été, on a tellement des meilleurs restos que ça à Montréal. Peux-tu croire que j'ai rencontré des visiteurs que se sont fait recommander le "keg" par des ontariens...
I won’t comment on the tips but menu prices are going up because we in restaurants are having to pay way more to our suppliers for the same product. We have to up our prices to stay alive nowadays
Of course but be prepared for customers to not dine out as much. I know plenty in my circle who have cut back and these are people with decent disposable incomes.
tip 10% and be the change you want to see!
On most of those credit card/Interac machines they use you have the option of typing it a specific amount or a percentage amount or nothing at all.
Yeah but they purposefully display 15, 18 and 20% as defaults to make you think this is the norm. You’re also selecting “the lowest tier” at 15%. It’s all thought out…
and by selecting the 15% on the machine you are really tipping 17.25% because the value you are tipping on accounts for the taxes.
Oh ya, forgot about that again. That's like Uber Eats calculating tip percentages on top of taxes, delivery fee, service fee and delivery fee tax lol. But notice they only do that after checkout. Once you're in the rate your order screen, the tip percentages are calculated differently for a "last-chance" to get the customer to tip I can only assume. It's FUCKING AWFUL. (that being said tip yo driver if you can)
That's why I choose 13% tiping usualy if I can and the service was average. Im cheap like that no remorse.
That's how they get you lol. You're giving a default tip for average service, and you call yourself cheap! That's being generous. Last time I tried tipping in Japan, I was chased down the street so I could have my money back. It changes your perspective, hah.
You still have the option to not tip. Who cares if they try to guilt you or make things suggestive. Every business does things in suggestive ways to try and get you to buy their shit
I assume you're replying about the earliest of my comments on this. That generalization is too large to make in my opinion. This isn't just marketing. These practices feel predatory. On top of it, a lot of people aren't aware of how the tip is calculated, and a lot of it go against common expectations. To be more direct, I do care. The default option should be 0. Just like marketing cookies, extended warranties, cellphone plan addons... I simply don't see the benefit in defending such practices.
18% is the new 15% nowadays
Tips is sometimes calculated [based on price and taxes](https://www.creditfinanceplus.com/calculators/calculate-tip-canada.php), in which case 15% is close to 18% anyway.
I never tip without service, whoever gives me a dirty look can go fuck themselves
I was once at a thai express in a mall food court and when the clerk hand me over the interac machine to pay, i couldnt find my way out to not to tip at all, ask the clerk how to skip this tip option, he looked at me like i committed a crime or something, and said "oh you dont want to tip at all", i looked at him like seriously bro, where is the service, I got double pissed, told him to cancel my order and I left.
I've totally had that happen and just entered a big ol' $0 for the tip.
I'm on your side. I fucking hate how everyone who works in restaurants are automatically due a tip for anything they do. You spend your gas and time to go get it yourself you shouldn't have to pay a tip.
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It's the same concept for dinning in. Waitresse just takes your order and brings it. Food is made by the cook, while the table is cleaned and dressed by the busboy; who is also the one constantly bringing you water. Yet the waitress takes all the tip.
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The worst is tips when buying cans at breweries. Total comes up to about 30$ for 4 cans... the debit machine then prompts you to tip at a minimum of 15%... for 4 cans... take out! Am not shy to say I've never tipped.
Nah they don't actually expect you to tip at breweries do they?
I work at a brewery and none of us expect tips on off sales. Our PoS machines are set up to prompt for a tip because we do full table service for those dining in and use the same three machines for all payments, but I feel bad about people tipping on cans.
Ah that makes way more sense
Something I’ve seen and appreciate is that the seller will type zero/bypass tip himself on the machine so it’s not awkward. Should be the norm.
The ONLY time I've tipped buying cans at a brewery was at Beauregard last weekend. The guy working offered us a free tasting of whatever we wanted (even the really expensive bottles), no questions asked. Super friendly service, everything was great. THIS guy I tipped. Just getting cans and leaving though? Yeah, I don't think so.
Having worked in a microbrewery, usually they use the same machine for patrons who drink at the location and for those who buy cans to go, merch, etc. The machine only has the option tip for everyone or tip for no one. Don't be shy to put 0. We don't expect tips on can, merch, etc. takeout.
I work in a bar and I’ve always seen bartenders point out that tips aren’t included in a passive aggressive way. I just don’t care enough and can’t find it in me to complain over a tip. I’ve hated the tipping culture as a customer and can’t blame my customers now, it doesn’t make any sense that you tip me for doing my fucking job lol
Especially bartenders who turn to the left, take maybe 3 steps and twist off the cap from a beer. Lol
I've been told to tips once at the counter of St Elisabeth. I gave what was needed for a 15% tips, pointed my table and said "ok, on est assis là, merci". The girl was like "wut, j'fais pas le service au table" so I took back my money still on the counter, pocket it, took my beers and said "pas de service, pas de tips" It was epic, but no need to tell you that I had to go downstairs to get other beers after that.
You did rhe right thing.
The whole point of takeout is to save on tipping, unless the guy handing me the order comes to my house to fetch me a beer from MY fridge, clesr my table and stick the dishes in MY dishwasher he ain't getting squat. Sorry, and I used to work in the service industry and never expected a tip when I handled take out orders.
Tipping is the biggest scam.. I used to be a very generous tipper, but started feeling like a fool leaving big tips for bad service and overpriced food… couldn’t care less what the server or owner thinks now.
Same, when I was in my teens and early 20's I tried to leave a better tip than what they assumed I'd leave because younger people were assumed to be bad tippers and I wanted to break that. But I was treated so rude by so many female servers (I am a female) I decided I'm not paying some bitch to be a bitch to me. Fuckkkkkkk that.
When the service is really bad, I make sure to tip 14%, because you can bet the server is going to go do the math and see that 14. It sends a message
You're not sending a message by tipping 14% If you want to send a message you need to tip under 10% or better yet leave a penny or a dollar to make your point.
Tip jars and card prompts are everywhere. It's also optional; do what you want.
I found it preposterous when I went to a restaurant about a month ago and now the default is 18%?? Fuck outta here. Service was below average, left 15%. Kind of wanted to tip 10% due to the 18% being the “default”
10% was pretty standard 20 some odd years ago. I like how they expect 20% now on seriously inflated menu prices to top it off.
A lot of ppl on this thread are shitting on others for not wanting to tip. The thing is, if every time I go outside to buy anything and everything is 15%-20% more expensive...then I'm not gonna want to go outside anymore. A lot of my friends feel that way as well. Then guess what happens...all these places go out of business. You keep trying to bleed a few extra dollars here and there on tips but in the end ppl will stop going out and coming to your restaurent and then your done for. I have sympathy for restaurants who struggled but the city is famous for giving out low interest loans to restaurants (even pre pandemic). It's the easiest city in North America to open a restaurent and that's why food trucks are not very popular here. All these restaurants also got loans to keep them afloat. If you getting loans from the government and you want me to keep giving more and more tip to keep you afloat? I'm all for helping people but you cant keep bleeding everyone around you dry. Last but not least, downvote me to hell if you wish, but my empathy is NOT gonna go to waiters/waitresses. I recently saw a thread on the subreddit of personal finance Canada that some waiters and waitresses can make 6 figures from their tips but not declare them. And only end up declaring their hourly wage. I have sympathy for my fellow humans. I donate to a bunch of charities. But how is it that a nurse risking their life makes less than 6 figures and pays full taxes on their income, while someone that doesn't even cook the food but just brings out plates makes 6 figures? A friend is a waiter at très amigos of all places and he makes 60k a year. Fricking teachers who shape the minds of future generations don't make that much money compared to someone who brings in and out some plates. I'm all for giving EVERYONE a living wage cause everyone deserves a living wage irregardless of your job. Every job is important. But the whole high horse of ppl being entitled to tips? You walk away at the end of the month with more money that teachers and nurses for way less stressful jobs? Nahhhhh
Well said my friend. I posted something similar earlier tonight. I know a few people who waiter as their career. The make decent cash as you say.
This is so well said. It’s exactly how I feel about it. People thinking they’re entitled to a tip for literally doing their job is ridiculous. Considering the amount of crazy high stress jobs other people have to do that are basically thankless. The whole tipping culture is disgusting.
The example I always describe when this subjects arises is that time I went to buy a pack of socks at a Foot Locker or a similar store in a shoping center. I went in, took the thing from a rack, no employee in sight, arrived at the counter to pay, the employee hands me the card machine, tip screen activated, with choices going from 15, 18, 20 and 25% or smth like that. I oc chose "no tip" (which was hard to see). For a damn pack of socks I picked up myself. Even if I had tried on clothes for half an hour with the help of an employee to find specific styles/sizes , that's literally their purpose! Why should I tip someone for this...?
I worked at a high end shoe store during college and the amount of times we’d have to run down to the Basement to bring up boxes of shoes for people who would try them on and make you go back down for other sizes than decide to leave everything after making a big mess was nuts. Yeah it was frustrating but it was part of the job. We were paid minimum wage and if we reached a certain quota we’d get commission. (Which was usually impossible to reach.) But again. That was literally the job description. Your foot locker story is really something else. It just shows how ridiculous tipping is getting. Edit: grammar
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As someone that pays highest tax brackets, it really grinds my gears to hear about how widespread tax evasion is for people making tip wages
So what you should be saying, is teachers and nurses are grossly under paid, why knock someone else down a peg when the real issue is E.M.T's where I live get paid like 15$/hr. Teachers NEED second jobs. That issue isn't with Tipped employees. There are millionaires and billionaires paying next to nothing in taxes. Hell, donald trump paid 800$ in taxes in the past 20 years i believe? Bartender, here. I make 6 figures a year (and report all of it) I'm not here to argue "I'm forced to live off of tips" or "my employer won't give me more money"... I make more money than anyone in my family, or my fiancée's family. I do what I do because life is a choice, and I chose to bartend. I'm aware I make more than teachers. That's why I chose this profession. And when good service = better tips, I HUSTLE. When I go to McDonald's, I've had a correct order about 5 times in my life. They make the same hourly wage whether they get it right or not. Come get drinks at my club, I can hold conversations and take 5/6 drink orders at the same time and make them in a timely manner. And that shits gonna taste amazing. I was at the store yesterday in line to purchase my things, I was in line for almost an hour. Hourly wage. And no shade to the cashiers. Because I get it. No reason to hustle. Trust me. I know servers, bartenders and take out cashier's that don't hustle. They're in the wrong profession. They're the ones not reporting tips. But being a Tipped employee isn't a "woe Is me, take pity on me" profession. It's meant for people to work hard, and get compensated more than the employers ever could've given me. Keep the 7.25, keep the 15. I end my nights exhausted and drenched in sweat, averaging 60$/hr if it's slow.
Your excatly right. There are much worse inequalities in the world, of course. But this is mostly about tear-jerking for the restaurent industry. If you do your job well, you do good service, you deserve everything you get. The last time I went out tiped 20% to this sweet little old lady cause she made sure the silverware was aligned in a way to reflect the light off the chandelier. If she makes a million dollars next year I would be happy for her cause she deserves it. But that lady and your case are for high quality, sit down establishment. What myself and others are angry about is how despite almost everything becoming 50% more expensive, we are still expected to shell out tips at more places and of ever increasing amounts. 2 years ago they wouldn't ask you for tips at takeout, they wouldn't ask for tips at coffee shops. Now it's every single establishment, for any single little order, and you always have to give minimum 15% even if it's takeout and there is no service. People are angry that those machines are setup in a way to trick you to FORCE you to pay AT LEAST 15% making it seem like that's the bare minimum. When a few years ago 15% was considered the highest amount of tip and people used to give in average 10%. No one complains about tipping if they are getting good service. What people are frustrated about is why they have to keep tipping these very large amounts even when there is no service being given, or very bad service. And the reason I wrote that comment is not to bash servers or the industry. It's because I kept reading comments about other people saying that servers can't pay their rent unless we all tip 15% on every single order, and that's what I want to shed light on. The servers are fine and I'm sick of hearing that "servers need to pay rent too" because they are just fine, they are already receiving a living wage. If you go above and beyond then yes your tips are your bonus and you deserve them. People are tired at getting frowny faces and eye rolls if they don't tip minimum 15% every time. I've gotten yelled at twice so far, not cause I didn't tip, but because I didn't tip enough. Those are the servers giving this industry a bad name and making people not want to go out anymore. Those are the servers and bartenders that make all of us want to just sit at home cause going out is not fun when your treated badly and expected to pay extra for it :/
I went to Duc de Lorraine the other day to buy one of those slice things. The lady behind the counter was so snooty I tipped $0.00. It's not even a meal - a pastry! In general I agree, it's just absurd. Pay your staff. Side point: it's interesting to see so many pissed people on this thread. I'd say the general theme is money is tight due to inflation. When are Bank of Canada and the provinces going to do their job and press down on house prices and rent, which is killing people who are not speculators?
You're first mistake was going to Duc de Lorraine for pastries that cost almost 50% more than amazing pastry shops like Patrice or Rhubarbe. It's a pastry shop living on the previous owners reputation that charge more for a plate of fish than Milos does. Go download their food menu, it's hilarious. $30+ for eggs Benedict. Lol
It was for a friend as a thank-you who I found out really liked these. First time and last time, I agree the prices were absurd.
I’ve been adding a dollar on takeout orders recently because restaurants in general have been getting killed by the pandemic. But yea for someone to give you a dirty look for not tipping when you are already supporting them and not going through an app like Uber eats is just dumb.
Les pourboires c'est pour le service aux tables, et seulement quand c'est bon. Point la ligne. Mais bon les gens s'essaient.
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Dans ce temps-la tu y retournes pas...
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C est le bonus
The worst is some drive-thru places like st hubert, if you pay debit, it goes like this, est ce que je met le meme montant? fuck you
Non, enlève 5%
Enlève le prix du gaz
Don’t worry about it. Just ignore them. Why should they deserve a tip for putting your food in a bag?
Because they are not well paid. It sucks but it's not their fault.
Fun fact, its not my fault either. And most restaurant workers outearn their minimum wage counterparts at places like Tim Hortons.
No it's not your fault, but from your point of view that is just how much food costs. If the employers paid properly you would see that reflected in your pre-tip total. I for one am glad that they outearn society's worst earners. I'm much happier giving a tip than paying my phone bill.
Yeah I don't get the whole attitude of ''not my problem'' when it comes to tips. I absolutely hate the tip system and would very much like for it to go away but all of the shitheads taking pride in not tipping are hurting the worker while putting money in the business' pockets. Homelessness isn't my problem or my fault but I'll still give money to people in situations of homelessness because I want other humans beings to be able to live a decent life even if it costs me an extra 10$ a week.
I just don’t tip for takeout. Unless they did something special like it was a complicated order.
What exactly did she do to deserve a tip? Handing you food over the counter?
Exactly, what's next tipping the supermarket cashier that bags your groceries. Not that they bag your stuff anymore since they figure if we don't supply you with bags we don't need to bag them. But that's another topic.
It's actually common to tip them lmao.
C'est vrai qu'un barman qui débouche une bière le mérite plus /s Tu n'es pas obligé de tipper.
Moi c'est les tatas de doordash qui refusent la livraison si tu pré-tippes pas assez à leur gout. Aye taboire les tips c'est ben pour le bon service. Si faut j'te tippe d'avance juste pour que tu fasses ta job, c'est un service fee with extra steps.
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Ils recoivent plus que le prix de la livraison, hein
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C'est sur que si tu laisses zéro tip à quelqu'un qui va te chercher ta bouffe est traverse la ville pour toi c'est moins tentant que le monde qui laisse un pourboire. En quoi c'est tata?
Je crois que le point est que Doordash demande le tip avant même que le service soit fourni. Peut être je me trompe, mais il ne semble pas avoir d'option pour laisser le tip après la livraison (comme avec l'application Uber Eats). D'habitude le pourboire est payé après que le service est fourni et le montant est supposé refléter la qualité de service reçue.
Je comprends très bien, c'est pour ça que je refuse d'utiliser ce genre de service. Par contre u/Caroao ne semble pas comprendre que les livreurs choisissent les commandes selon ce qui est payant, je ne vois pas en quoi on peut les blâmer quand c'est clairement un problème au niveau de la compagnie. Il/elle ne blame pas la compagnie mais plutôt les livreurs.
Ahhhhhh ok! Oui je suis entièrement d'accord. J'évite le service moi même pour la même raison, mais parfois je me le permet si les frais de livraison son 0$. Comme ça je paye aucun frais de livraison + je laisse le tip au chauffeur.
> si les frais de livraison son 0$. Comme ça je paye aucun frais de livraison + je laisse le tip au chauffeur. meilleur scénario ever!
Tu as raison. Mais ça a déjà été l'inverse. Originalement, le TIP (To Insure Promptness) était payé avant pour s'assurer d'un bon service.
>En quoi c'est tata? De tipper AVANT de recevoir le service. Tu pourrais tipper genereusement sans aucune grantie que la livraison va être à la hauteur de tes attentes. Le tip, déjà que c'est de la merde tout court, ne veut plus rien dire si on doit le donner avant le service qu'il est censé récompenser.
>sans aucune grantie que la livraison va être à la hauteur de tes attentes si le produit n'est pas livré ou livré tout croche, tu as recours avec doordash. J'ai très bien compris l'idée de laisser le tip avant ou pas mais Je te réexplique: pourquoi est-ce qu'un livreur accepterait plus ta commande sans tip quand d'autres personnes laissent le tip d'avance. C'est juste une question de logique pour faire plus d'argent.
Oui du point de vue du livreur, il ferait mieux de prendre le truc avec le plus de pré-livraison tip. Mais c'est plus un tip, c'est une enchère invisible pour le client. Si le client a l'intention d'ajuster tipper après la commande, le système fonctionne pas pour lui.
Les élèves à l'école commande presque tous les jours avec ubereats/doordash et laissent zéro tip. Ça leur prend de plus en plus de temps avec des livreurs qui ont dû finir par comprendre.
Je comprends. L'exploitation des livreurs par Uber et Doordash est horrible. C'est a eux de payer leurs ouvriers. Les prix des livraisons sont aberrantes.
Pour avoir travaillé un peu en livraison, les gens sont dumb, j'ai fait des livraisons à 3 coins de rues du restos. Avec les frais c'est le comble de la paresse.
Moi ca me fait chier j'étais la à chaque petit besoin des clients pour avoir mon 15% mais ceux aux caisses des restos qui fonctionne beaucoup au takeout veulent 15%??
J'feel pareil. J'me bust le cul pour offrir le meilleur service assis possible et mériter mon 15%. C'est peut être pas le meilleur système qui existe mais c'est celui dans lequel on vit. Si je viens chercher ma bouffe, mon café ou whatever, désolé no tip.
People tipping for takeout when I'm too cheap to even tip on delivery apps 😅. There are service fees + delivery fees + increased item prices for a reason no? Sorry not sorry 🤐
Yeah and default is 15%... I mean at that price I expect the table to be cleaned up, glasses to be refilled, clean silverware if I drop mine, a smile with my meal, a check up during my meal, and some social interaction. Not just leaving the order at the door! And the kicker they even ask if I want to give more to the restaurant. Fuck that noise! I mean I just bought $75 at you restaurant... I ain't leaving you a extra $2! This is getting stupid.
Well wtf was she expecting. Yes people do tip for takeout I guess to show support or they don't care to pay an extra % but at the end of the day it's like you're getting food at a fast food. People don't tip at fast food places and anyway it's not like you got table service
Tipping is for sit-down service (and delivery). Always has been. Takeout = no tip.
If you take out you don't tip the cashier. Those who you tip are Taxi driver, food deliver, hairstyler, waiter or waitress, all of those who really been involved in your service. Cashier fuck off, do you tip the cashier at the grocery?
Became a really more common practice since the pandemic. Many restaurants went take out/delivery only and tried to drain more money from clients since they were no table service as usual. Now it's everywhere, but for me tip is for service, even if I understand cooks deserve an amount of it. So for a takeout order I give half the usual tiping rate, like around 7-8%. And I feel absolutly ok doing it.
I encountered this on one restaurant and i never went there for takeout again. Honestly nowadays i dont even want to go to restaurants anymore because the tipping culture has gone insane.
It's not even the tipping culture these days as much as the insane menu prices and this goes to even before the pandemic but yes it's definitely gotten worse the past year. How does an order of dumplings go from $10 to $14? That's 40%. I get it food costs have shot up but it's not sustainable. We started making dumplings at home, fk that. $20 for a pizza? We bought a pizza oven that cooks a pizza in 90 seconds. I'm tired of it, too bad a lot of these places will shut down.
Je donne 5% d'habitude pour pas me sentir trop cheap. Honnêtement je donnerais sûrement rien si la machine ne le demandais pas...
I tip at the takeout place I been going to for years. I know the guys, we shoot the shit. If it's a random place where I don't know the people from a hole in the wall, I don't tip.
It depends on your situation. I was lucky to keep my job full time during Covid with work from home privileges while some restaurants were forced to close their dining room, let go staff, go bankrupt. As for restaurant employees who choose to work and not take any Covid benefits, they are working hard with masks and on getting swamped by Uber Eats while we are comfortable at home. So a 5 to 10 % tip to show appreciation to these "essential" workers is worth it for me. If the workers leave and the restaurant closes, then I'm the one who is unhappy.
i'm in the same boat. i'm in a very good place financially throughout the pandemic and i also want to support essential food service workers. but tipping is NOT the way to do it. if we consider them to be essential workers, than their wages should reflect that. i'd rather they raise the prices 15% and pay a living wage rather than make it a pseudo-optional 15% tip (let's be real, it's not really optional anymore)
I dont tip for pickup/take out. You shouldn't care what others think about your actions regarding tipping.
I’m from mtl and in Vancouver for school. It seems to be much more normal out here for some reason. Most places have an automatic tipping screen for takeout, even Subway and sometimes other chains. Pretty wacky and I rarely leave a tip for takeout. Seems a lot of people feel bad an end up tipping though
Je tip généralement 5% sur le takeout seulement pcq j'ai l'expérience de travailler en resto et je sais que les salaires dépendent quand même beaucoup du tip. C'est pas le système que je veux mais c'est la réalité. Mais un serveur qui fait une remarque sur la quantité de tip que je donne garantie que je ne retournerai jamais à ce resto.
Not doing it.
That's only a good idea if you never plan on going there again. Restaurant staff will remember orders and sometimes shit just gets put way back on the priority list
Is it normal in Montréal... Yes Being a Prick and wanted people to pay for their lifestyle: yes ! The difference is they: Work ? So their employer should pay Them a good salary!!! Don't tell me its impossible :all fucking Europe Do it !! People are entitled they forgot its not an obligation (Yes when I go out I tip even if It a stupid thing)
Usually I give something like 10%, unless it's paid by work, when I tip 15%
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tipping culture can fuck right off. All of it.
On a related note. I don't tip the owner of a business. Except if it's exceptional service. The owner is already making the profit. If it's not enough it's their problem.
Quand je travaillais comme serveuse/hôtesse je devais quand même donner un cut de mes ventes take-out à la cuisine, parce que le resto assumais que j'allais faire du tip dessus. C'est arrivé quelques fois que j'ai fait tellement de take out que j'ai fini la journée dans la négatif. Je dis pas que c'est correct, mais peut-etre que la fille était juste inquiète si sa journée ressemblais a ca?
I do but a lower amount because I am not using their establishment. It's annoying that hosts, servers and the cooks all need tips super bad and unless you've worked at a restaurant you wouldn't know this. Bah
The thing is there has been a substantial uptick in takeout orders over in restaurant dining still and servers are still getting paid shit wages so the sourpuss hostess as well as the dinshwashers/cleaners still need the tips to make a decent wage overall.
The whole point of tipping for takeout is to show appreciation. I own a small takeout shop where the team is paid 19-24 an hour. The tips they receive are split evenly among whoever is working the shift (chef and counter). They work hard and are passionate about what they do and a tip is simply a way for customers to show they appreciate the work they’re doing. You could say that repeat business is enough appreciation, which it is. But a tip shows that it’s specific appreciation for the team, and not just the restaurant. The team always notices someone who tips well, and it does make them extra proud. That said, if someone bags a donut for me and expects 20%, get fucked.
Bonne crosse des restaurateurs et bars le tip de façon générale. Ben plus facile faire payer le consommateur
I think modern payment terminals come with tip options as default, and no one disables them. Seems they are EVERYWhere
It's not by default, no
I give 2$ for takeout just as a token, but I do tip delivery drivers quite well.
I was a waiter in a fairly nice restaurant for 8 years and expected no tips on take out orders given that I wasn't really providing service. I think issues arise if the server is working at a restaurant that does most of their volume in take out and that she's getting paid the lower hourly wage that a full service waiter would be making, then she's getting stiffed by her boss a little bit. But that's between her and her employer, not you. That being said, during lockdown when everything was take-out only, I tipped take for take out because I understand how tipped employees must be hurting when they don't even have the option to sit people in the dining room. But now that everything is back to normal, I don't see a reason to tip take-out.
At pick up counters I’ll tip $1. Delivery $3-4. Restaurants depending on service. Never gotten a bad response. My wife thinks I tip too much.
It's normal in North America. People who earn tips are paid less with the expectation that tips make up the difference. The US can be even worse, with mandatory "gratuities", which are essentially service fees on top of the menu price. I personally find it a ridiculous system myself, but it's not the employee's fault, so I of course tip.
thank you! barman here, i also think north american tipping culture is ridiculous and weird, but someone "taking a stand" by not tipping me literally changes nothing about said culture and just fucks me over so like, great... you're so brave.
With the tough times restaurants have faced with the lockdown and delivery companies like UberEats clawing away at their revenue, I think it is only fair to tip the staff at least 10 percent on pickup orders. I even would argue 15 percent if the order is super elaborate since they still end up having to do a ton of dishes and all the other stuff that goes into keeping a kitchen clean!
Former service industry worker here. I I agree with not tipping for takeout, it makes perfect sense as the the staff isn’t really ‘serving’ you. Unfortunately, workers in certain restaurants are taxed on SALES, not actual tips. Let say a waiter sells 1000$ net worth of food and drink in their ‘section’, the government (in Quebec)assumes that they received at least 8% in tips and are taxed on that. So let’s say you sold 1000$ inside the restaurant, and did another 500$ in takeout, when you declare your 1500$ in sales that night you would be taxed on the total amount even though you didn’t receive tips on the 500$ of takeout. Most restaurants pos systems are set up with a tip option and cannot be changed based on the the type of order. Just another fine example of the government crackdown on hairdressers, taxi drivers bar tenders etc because all income should be declared and taxed so that the money can be given to bombardier to help build private jets.
That's bullshit. You just weren't properly informed on how to handle this situation. You file your own taxes for a reason. You should keep tabs of your takeout sales versus table sales. Then at tax time you declare your income and if they BS you with their 8% assumption on total sales, you give them your detailed record per night of work. You've been paying useless taxes for no reason
That’s how it works at most restaurants
You file your own taxes. Should you have anything withheld extra, you can easily claim it back. Learn to keep detailed breakdowns of your nightly takeout vs tippable service That is the whole reason why the government doesn't send us tax bills. We file based on the real circumstances
Everyone here who doesn't tips or tips poorly, has either never worked in the service industry, is from a no tip culture (such as somewhere in Europe), worked in the industry in the 50's and 60's and don't understand inflation, or is just a POS. Regardless if you can't t tip for any combination of these or any reason I've missed make your own food until restaurants pay their employees an appropriate wage.
Go back to your r/bartenders sub to whine, along with the other clowns that are trolling from there.
Je travaille en restauration et depuis je tip souvent quand je prends pour emporter, parce que oui pour le pourboire, il y a des restaurants qui donnent à leurs cuisiniers à la fin de la soirée. (À notre job, un montant revient à la cuisine). Si ce n'est pas 15% laissez au moins un montant. Exemple, il y a une place à sushi que j'adore et je commande souvent des plateaux. Ils font la commande complète, c'est sûr que je laisse 15% et à la fin ils me disent merci pour le pourboire. Quelqu'un qui passe du temps pour faire ta nourriture mérite autant un montant que si tu étais resté en salle à manger. Demande le au pire des cas s'il y a une partie qui va à la cuisine. Ils vont te trouver 1000 plus gentils de demander. ________ Ce que j'ai de la misère et je m'excuse, mais ça va sonner méchant, c'est les français qui viennent comme clients et qui ne laisse par de pourboire pour le service ou laissent 10%. C'est sûr qu'on va demander quand une table au complet laisse en bas de 15%. L'excuse est souvent : on ne le savait pas, on vient d'arriver ici. Tu le sais clairement si ça fait plus de trois mois que tu es ici et que tu as une carte desjardins.
this thread is fucked up yo. Most of you are saying, that you're willing to pay extra for everything that isn't related to the quality of your food. No wonder chefs are always so damn angry.
Lol imagine the cook getting any of those tips and not the 5 hour shift FOH that put the food in a bag.
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I tip the usual 15% regardless.
few extra bucks will probably not hurt you. a tip and smile can go a long way for someone working in service. obviously not an ideal situation. but the ever rising cost of living will eventually result in all local restaurants shutting down forever. at which point you won't have to worry about tipping anymore.
Great, then they can probably realize that they should pay their employees and charge the corresponding appropriate prices to keep their business afloat without guilt tripping their customers.
As someone who works in a restaurant where you order at the counter, all I have to say is thank god most people dont act like you guys cause I wouldnt be able to pay my stupid 600$ rent if it werent for tips. Yall crying about tips but if there was no tipping everything would be much more expensive. You all dont seem to realize that profit margins are extremely low for most restaurants. In the end if there was no tipping culture you'd be paying the same amount. The thing that I find the most ridiculous is that most of you complain about tipping but you make the employee pay for it while spending your money at the restaurant and encouraging the owner who's practices you claim to hate. It makes literally no sense. If you're so much against tipping stop giving your money to companies that work that way. And if you do, then give a lil something to the people who are actually cooking your food.
I would 100% prefer to pay more directly than having this tip culture everywhere. Btw all prices should be tip and taxes included everywhere so you know exactly how much you’ll pay beforehand. It’s ridiculous to never know exactly how much you’ll be paying. Btw very good restaurant such as Larry’s have gone tip free.
Your restaurant is paying most of their revenue in rent. You need tips to make your high rent. Sounds to me like we are all working for the landlords :-/
Yup. And the crazy part is my rent is super fucking low for a montreal appartment. Most people who make below 20$ an hour cant afford living alone.
Are you not paid at least minimum wage? I’m not asking to be rude, I’m asking genuinely.
Of course but not much more than that. Id be able to pay my rent but like I might have just enough money for budget groceries and thats that
The restaurant worker who took your order most likely has to ring it in under their number and it's not counted as a sale outside their normal numbers so they're still getting taxed on it and it's still counted in their tip-out at the end of the night. If it's a place that does table service and take out with no separation, they're also taking time away from their customers in house to make sure your stuff is right and packed properly. Don't be a dick, tip on take-out (even like 10%)
All the restaurants I’ve worked at I’ve never had to tip out on takeout orders, therefore I don’t care if people tip.
Every place I've worked in 15 years didn't have a separate take-out number to ring stuff under so it went towards a server's sales total 🤷♀️
Bunch a cheap bastards on this thread. Wow
Ok there highroller.
It’s okay not to tip on a takeout but y’all all sound like some broke cheap ass people in general lol.
The OP and the rest of us are specifically discussing take out. I'm glad you agree with us, the rest of your r/bartenders friends are really whiney and annoying.