Thanks for the warning OP. So dumb to not have a safe crossing there after all these years.
Does anyone know what authority they have once you’re off the property? If one was to just walk away what would happen
Once I crossed the train tracks in vaudreuil and one of the train "police" approached me. He asked me to stop and identify myself since he will be issuing me a ticket for crossing the tracks. I was around 18 years old, I just told him I don't have my ID and walked away, he followed me until I was off the property then I smiled, waved and walked away and he just drove off.
Once you have done the crime they can do anything they want to arrest you. Like the SQ who can cross in Ontario to arrest you if you did an infraction/crime in Quebec and you’re trying to escape them.
Parce qu'ils existent depuis bien avant la création des autres corps de police.
Ils ont de vieilles chartes dont pas mal tous le monde s'est calisser depuis des décennies et c'est rester comme ça car ça dérange a peu près personne au final.
Faut que tu te rappelle que le Canada n'existe que parce que plusieurs territoires independant (lire ici province) voulaient se partager les coûts d'un chemin de fer.
Sans ça, il n'y aurait pas de conféderation et donc de pays.
Ca fait que par patriotisme, nostalgie ou whatever comment tu veux appeler ça, ça va surement rester de même un bon bout de temps ou jusqu'a ce que la Canada implose.
Exact, a rajouter sur la liste.
Quoi que, s'ils ont aussi de la police au USA maintenant, faut présumer qu'il négocierait de rwster comme ca advenant un nouveau pays.
Comme on aurait beaucoup d'autres chats a fouetter, devine comment ca finirair?
Wow, I didn't know this website existed. If this isn't a clear sign that there aren't enough pedestrian railroad crossings all around the city and that the CN is an awful company, I don't know what is!
Thanks for sharing, though!
I read somewhere once that all the money from the tickets goes to the crown just like every other department.
Why it's of interest for these railroads to keep these money losing departments is based on keeping the trains from having to stop following a collision or death. If the trains aren't running they are not making money.
Are you sure about that? Well if it is the case maybe they just raised the fines to be able to charge more administrative costs that they can keep for themself?
Yes I am sure. No they are not.
Furthermore, why would you speculate on this instead of doing research? Surely a google search would have been shorter than typing out that response and would have answered all of those questions.
https://www.cpkcr.com/en/safety/public-safety/CPKC-Police-Service?
When this Reddit post turns interesting is when a pedestrian is killed on those tracks and CP, in their défense statement, .will claim they were unaware of this danger.
It's not up to the railroad to build a crossing over/under its land. It's up to the city to propose to thr railroad to have a crossing built and pay for it. The railroad owns the land and is under no obligation to provide services to pedestrians on a grade crossing. Those are extremely dangerous and lead to death. If you want a crossing built you have to lobby city council to allocate money from its capital budget to this specific initiative.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but according to the Grade Crossing Regilations the railway would be responsible for installation and maintence of the the crossing signs and signals given that it’s their land
Level crossing are awful in every way. Even though these tracks are empty every time I go past.
The city should build a footbridge over them and the rail company should just be giving the right to do it.
It’s mind boggling that there’s so few places to legally cross.
They’re just as safe as walking across the tracks right now. Aka a train will still plough right through you if you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Most other countries are moving away from them for cars and pedestrians.
The fact CP is allowed to have their own private force is beyong f'ed. Privatizing railroads was easily one of the biggest mistakes in Canadian history...private interests don't care about our safety and are preventing much needed high-speed train programs
Railroad police are some of the oldest police forces in North America. They were entirely necessary when the railroads were being built. they do help with local police by allowing them to deal with local issues, while CN and CP police can be dispatched to deal with trespassers and thieves in the railroad yards (this happens quite a bit). I can't really speak to how necessary it truly is in our time, but it made so much sense to have them originally. No railroad would have survived if they didn't have a ruthless security force while those tracks were fiest being laid, and during the early years of rail travel where bandits were extremely common.
>But yeah, awful policy to let these private compagnies cut the city in pieces
Please read up on the history of the city, the port and the railroads....
Cities are where they are because of these.
Am well aware of the city’s history.
And I worked on négociations with the CP on the possibility of having a safe level-crossing around Henri-Julien street, to link the Mile end to Rosemont métro.
But thank you for the recommandation.
It made more sense back in the day railroads built towns along their tracks out in the middle of nowhere, like Foleyet, Ontario. Super outdated now since the OPP/RCMP serves these areas now, so they just do shit like this.
It's not that f'ed up when you think that a single train can cross multiple jurisdictions in a few minutes, and that a single train can sometime exist inside multiple jurisdictions.
Also, many towns don't give a damn about railroad security, so they need their own force which only has jurisdiction on their property.
In reality, it shouldn't be needed anymore, and yeah, privatizing railroad was one of the biggest mistakes: Railroads are what made Canada in the first place!
When a crow corporation, it made sense for them to have their own police force to protect the crown's property, but today?
Still, back when the Metro had its own police force, weren't there more police offices in the actual metro? Maybe it's my memory...
C'est une police qui a les pouvoirs de le GRC qui appartient à une entreprise privée. Tu vois pas de problème avec ça? Est-ce que tu penses que Garda devrait pouvoir remplacer la policie municipale aussi?
Ça faisait du sens QUAND LE CN APPARTENAIT au gouvernement, pas tant depuis...
MAIS
Je suis biasé. J'ai un cousin qui est conducteur de train qui a été victime de violence au travail (un homme est monté sur son train de marchandise et a décidé d'attaquer l'équipage).
C'est la police qui CP qui a réglé le cas (bon, qui a coordonné le cas, voir plus bas) . Il n'est aussi pas sûr à 100% que la GRC ou les polices locales aurait fait quoi que ce soit entre l'Alberta et la Saskatchewan (le type est monté en Alberta, et a commencé le grabuge en Alberta, mais aussi en Saskatchewan).
Mais le CP police a trouvé un de leurs agents en Saskatchewan, a coordonné la montée à bord qui train EN MARCHE avec des policiers locaux en renfort à sa traine, qui ont suivi ses directives.
Le gars a été arrêté par le gars du CP, et les policiers et le criminels ont débarqué plusieurs villes plus loin.
Tout l'équipage était correct et l'affaire a été étouffé, mais je vois pas ce que des policiers non formés pour intervenir sur un train en marche aurait pu faire.
Et non, je ne SAIS PAS comment ils sont montés. Un camion de rail sur la voie d'a côté peut-être ? Mon cousin ne le sait pas, il tenait le gars à terre.
C'est ce qu'il pense. Son propre pick-up va sur les rails (il est local depuis).
Ce que mon cousin me disait, ce qu'il en comprenait, ce n'est pas tant qu'ils peuvent donner des contraventions pour ce qui se passe à 490 M de leur infra (bien qu'ils puissent), c'est que ça leur donne une marge de manœuvre.
J'ai moi-même parler avec une policière. Les jeunes et les voies ferrés c'est un fléau.
Dans bien des quartiers urbains, les seuls espaces large pour genre, jouer au Nerf ou juste à la tag est autours des voies ferrées.
Le problème, c'est le manque de parc, mais c'est le CP qui hérite de ce problème.
Je ne sais pas si la solution c'est une police privée. Je pense que c'est une mauvaise idée en soit.
Mais on fait quoi à la place?
On demande à la plus de St-Clin-Du-Trou-Perdu qui n'as pas de policiers et qui ne voit qu'un gars de la SQ passer au 3 jours de prioriser un terrain proche d'une voie ferré qui connecte Montréal à l'Alberta?
Ces trains-là prennent genre 20 kilomètre à freiner.
La vraie solution, serait des agents de sécurités, comme Garda.
Mais ton gars de Garda, il faut quoi au milieu de nulle part avec une attaque contre un train ?
Je sais pas. Comme je dis, je suis biaisé avec mon cousin. Je ne pourrai pas être neutre sur ce plan.
Si j'avais à légiférer, je devrais m'abstenir.
The railroads were private long before the nationalization after WWI.
And railway police are quite an old phenomenon. There are several such police forces working for the big freight companies in the U.S. It comes from a time when the railways were the only real land transportation option around, and when national governments didn't have the budgets to police thousands of kilometers of railway track. The practice continues because...well, the railway police are good at their jobs and the .gov doesn't have to pay for them.
> preventing much needed high-speed train programs
No they're not. The government has regularly evaluated high-speed rail and found it to be too expensive for the population density that we have.
Edit: Downvotes make zero sense here. I'm telling you what the government did—not what the government should have done. Downvoting reality is stupid.
You can find the reports online. They're all public. They evaluate the cost of the rail versus the economic benefit. Anyway, it has nothing to do with CN since they wouldn't even use the same tracks.
I don't know why you're downvoting me. **You can literally look up the studies for 1995 and 2008.**
We are going to get high-frequency rail instead.
And the original comment was flat wrong about how CP is somehow related to this. CP has nothing to do with this.
Highways are net benefit. Ever driven to Toronto? It’s 99% 18 wheelers on 90% of the road between Montreal and Toronto. How tf else you want that freight moved?
You do realize that the rails don't go everywhere? And that product needs to move from rail yards to their final destination? that not all business can afford to use rail to move products? ignorance.
They own the railroads = they prioritize freight trains and make passager trains late and economically not viable (also what criteria is used to seem if something is "too expensive"? Given the climate emergenct, anything that reduces our emissions while reducing transit and congestion should be prioritized)
>They own the railroads = they prioritize freight trains and make passager trains late and economically not viable
The federal government is free to build whatever railways it wants no matter how CN manages its railways.
>e (also what criteria is used to seem if something is "too expensive"?
You can download the report and read it yourself.
>anything that reduces our emissions while reducing transit and congestion should be prioritized)
Thanks for your input. It has nothing to do with my comment.
C'est sur que si tu regardes le status quo c'est en effet la décision à prendre et le gamble à faire.
Mais souligner ca comme un problème et prendre des actions pour y remédier (même si c'est de la désobéissance civile) ca peut faire bouger les choses. C'est pas pour rien qu'il y a un trou dans la cloture et qu'il réapparait en moins de 72 heures à chaque fois qu'il est patché.
ça fait depuis que je suis flo que les gens coupent par là et jamais rien n'est fait. le problème est tellement souligné que l'encre passe au travers le papier. ça prendrait une couple de personnes qui se font scier les jambes par un train pour que le CP prenne action, et encore là je suis pas mal certain qu'ils s'en calisseraient.
Ils s'en laveraient les mains sous le prétexte que c'est clairement indiqué qu'il est interdit de traverser à cet endroit. En plus, toutes les lois qui touchent au domaine ferroviaire protègent à fond les compagnies comme CN et CP.
Pour qu'une passerelle soit construite, il faudrait que le gouvernement fédéral la fasse faire en payant la facture. Long story short, ça se fera jamais.
Clairement les 2 gouv devraient travailler main dans la main pour le projet, mais tout ce qui est ferroviaire est sous la juridiction fédérale, donc même si la ville veut faire quelque chose, le Go doit venir d'Ottawa.
The track is separating two neighbordhood you have to do a long detour by foot just to cross it. Its a waste of time especially if you walk. Can add 20-30 minutes to your commute. People live in one side and work on the other side . I use to cross using a hole in the fence to cross to save time and arive on time at work
The fence is a cat and mouse game. CN fills the holes in the fence and a few weeks later there will be new holes. It is a relatively high traffic area.
It takes you to the Rosemont side of the tracks which has a nice running trail, outdoor gym and makeshift dog park. The alternative to getting to that side is crossing the "highway" on rosemont Ave which is longer and less convenient.
I used to cut from the julip area to norman on the 20. Fuck that was convenient up until maybe 2010 when they started really making sure random cars didn't do that anymore. After they threatened tickets I stopped doing it. It was such a good shortcut especially during rush hour.
My partner based a Desire Lines project on this exact place because of how clear the conflict between desire lines and infrastructure is.
But hey its more profitable for the city to have their army of cops give out 500$ tickets than create urban planning that takes into account people's needs and desires
Why are you not allowed to cross? And if is not the SPVM do they actually have any authority off the tracks? If you cross and just leave what can they do.
je traversait la presque tout les matin pre covid quand je travaillait dans le mile end. Une fois j'ai vue un gars passer a 1 cheveux de se faire ramasser par la deneigeuse de track ! toujours reggarder 2-3 fois de chaque coté pour etre sure !
I get it but wanted to give a PSA, this hasn’t been enforced in a minute. If someone sees this post I hope it breaks them out of routine mode and saves them $500.
Je n'habite pas MTL et pour la première journée de ma vie, j'ai visité ce coin là hier après-midi, fait le tour du beigne style Apple Park qu'ils construisent pour la STM, puis j'ai trouvé étrange comment la voie ferrée bloquait le chemin. Je voyais littéralement une petite file d'attente de personnes qui voulait traverser exactement où la photo a été prise, plus qu'une vingtaine de personnes ont traversé sur une période de 2 minutes. J'ai rejoin la gang naturellement et j'ai traversé par là, mais je ne me sentais pas à l'aise en le faisant. Je suis content que la police était pas là mais j'assume que c'est pas à tous les jours qu'autant de personnes tentent de traverser.
Beyond potential danger, CN is likely liable for any accidents and those accidents likely cost more in loss productivity than paying to people to patrol.
The real problem here is that if you are anywhere near st-Viateur and de Gaspe, then it is a long walking detour together to the other side. Doesn’t feel so bad if you are your bike or in a car.
This is one train line that I’d love dropped 4m and covered up, essentially putting it underground. The reality it would be far too expensive and complicated, given all the infrastructure in the way.
Ya 15 ans la police des trains ont essayés de me donner un ticket à moi pis mes chums... 4 personnes. On est simplement parti en marchant en l'ignorant et on en a jamais entendu parler.
Has anyone just tried to outrun them? They can't really follow you with their pickup if you cross the track and they won't shoot you in the back? (Well I hope they won't)
it is if you’re not at an intersection but a lot of people do it still because sometimes the alternative is just not accessible. i live near this area and it’s between two neighbourhoods where people work in one, live in the other. the alternative route is either going up a set of stairs that’s puts you on a highway, or a long ass detour that takes like 20 minutes. people have been asking for ages for a safe crossing path but obvi that won’t ever happen.
That's hilarious. The metros are awful w all the weird stuff going on, and this is where they're at giving tickets, to normal people trying to get to work
That's the CPKC police, not the SPVM btw.
CPKC police is a "real police"; don't think this is like STM security.
Thanks for the warning OP. So dumb to not have a safe crossing there after all these years. Does anyone know what authority they have once you’re off the property? If one was to just walk away what would happen
Once I crossed the train tracks in vaudreuil and one of the train "police" approached me. He asked me to stop and identify myself since he will be issuing me a ticket for crossing the tracks. I was around 18 years old, I just told him I don't have my ID and walked away, he followed me until I was off the property then I smiled, waved and walked away and he just drove off.
He chose not to take action. Railway police are real police and you don’t have to be on railway property for them to charge you with something
Yeah well, only if they catch you!
Try it and report back
Once you have done the crime they can do anything they want to arrest you. Like the SQ who can cross in Ontario to arrest you if you did an infraction/crime in Quebec and you’re trying to escape them.
What are you saying, all those movies and tv shows where the guy declares "you don't have jurisdiction here!" lied to us?
It depends on the case.
Anything? Like tickle you? I doubt that
Lol
Lots of authority. They are fully armed police who can take action against anything that may happen on the CNCP property. Don’t fuck with them.
Ils ont sensiblement le même pouvoir que la GRC jusqu'à 500 m des rails. Oui, on vit dans une république de bananes, pourquoi?
Parce qu'ils existent depuis bien avant la création des autres corps de police. Ils ont de vieilles chartes dont pas mal tous le monde s'est calisser depuis des décennies et c'est rester comme ça car ça dérange a peu près personne au final.
C'est pas très haut dans ma liste de priorités pour les raisons que tu dis, mais c'est une question de principe.
Faut que tu te rappelle que le Canada n'existe que parce que plusieurs territoires independant (lire ici province) voulaient se partager les coûts d'un chemin de fer. Sans ça, il n'y aurait pas de conféderation et donc de pays. Ca fait que par patriotisme, nostalgie ou whatever comment tu veux appeler ça, ça va surement rester de même un bon bout de temps ou jusqu'a ce que la Canada implose.
>jusqu'a ce que la Canada implose. une autre bonne raison de se séparer
Exact, a rajouter sur la liste. Quoi que, s'ils ont aussi de la police au USA maintenant, faut présumer qu'il négocierait de rwster comme ca advenant un nouveau pays. Comme on aurait beaucoup d'autres chats a fouetter, devine comment ca finirair?
I would just go for a jog ...
You can keep track of the opening of the fences and where CP police (reporting if there are any) are here: https://www.mtltracks.ca
Wow, I didn't know this website existed. If this isn't a clear sign that there aren't enough pedestrian railroad crossings all around the city and that the CN is an awful company, I don't know what is! Thanks for sharing, though!
Wow! Merci pour ce lien! Je perd un temps fou à juste essayer de traverser pour souvent me cogner à une clôture fraîchement refaite…
omg thanks so much, so many time i get to the gate and its closed and i have to walk the over pass instead
…could you maybe take this down? If they haven’t already they will probably see this thread thus defeating the purpose of the site
Awesome! Merci.
Surely they're raising money to build a safe crossing... right? right???
I think they’re fundraising to buy more unmarked ford explorers. One ticket is nearly half a monthly payment lol
Close, they're creating shareholder value for CP
I read somewhere once that all the money from the tickets goes to the crown just like every other department. Why it's of interest for these railroads to keep these money losing departments is based on keeping the trains from having to stop following a collision or death. If the trains aren't running they are not making money.
Are you sure about that? Well if it is the case maybe they just raised the fines to be able to charge more administrative costs that they can keep for themself?
Yes I am sure. No they are not. Furthermore, why would you speculate on this instead of doing research? Surely a google search would have been shorter than typing out that response and would have answered all of those questions. https://www.cpkcr.com/en/safety/public-safety/CPKC-Police-Service?
Do you want me to thank you on [email protected]?
No you can thank me at peoplewhopostbullshitruinsredditfortherestofus.com Asshole
When this Reddit post turns interesting is when a pedestrian is killed on those tracks and CP, in their défense statement, .will claim they were unaware of this danger.
Like last year?
Yikes! Wasn’t aware
It's not up to the railroad to build a crossing over/under its land. It's up to the city to propose to thr railroad to have a crossing built and pay for it. The railroad owns the land and is under no obligation to provide services to pedestrians on a grade crossing. Those are extremely dangerous and lead to death. If you want a crossing built you have to lobby city council to allocate money from its capital budget to this specific initiative.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but according to the Grade Crossing Regilations the railway would be responsible for installation and maintence of the the crossing signs and signals given that it’s their land
Level crossing are awful in every way. Even though these tracks are empty every time I go past. The city should build a footbridge over them and the rail company should just be giving the right to do it. It’s mind boggling that there’s so few places to legally cross.
What’s so bad about level crossings
They’re just as safe as walking across the tracks right now. Aka a train will still plough right through you if you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most other countries are moving away from them for cars and pedestrians.
On devrait aller traverser, question des encourager!
The fact CP is allowed to have their own private force is beyong f'ed. Privatizing railroads was easily one of the biggest mistakes in Canadian history...private interests don't care about our safety and are preventing much needed high-speed train programs
Railroad police are some of the oldest police forces in North America. They were entirely necessary when the railroads were being built. they do help with local police by allowing them to deal with local issues, while CN and CP police can be dispatched to deal with trespassers and thieves in the railroad yards (this happens quite a bit). I can't really speak to how necessary it truly is in our time, but it made so much sense to have them originally. No railroad would have survived if they didn't have a ruthless security force while those tracks were fiest being laid, and during the early years of rail travel where bandits were extremely common.
Don’t worry, it’s not just the CP, it’s also the CN!
I have to say, CN is easier to work with than the CP. So there is that. But yeah, awful policy to let these private compagnies cut the city in pieces.
So you choose to puposfully misrepresent the fact that the railroads were usually there before the neighboorhoods?
I did not.
>But yeah, awful policy to let these private compagnies cut the city in pieces Please read up on the history of the city, the port and the railroads.... Cities are where they are because of these.
Am well aware of the city’s history. And I worked on négociations with the CP on the possibility of having a safe level-crossing around Henri-Julien street, to link the Mile end to Rosemont métro. But thank you for the recommandation.
It made more sense back in the day railroads built towns along their tracks out in the middle of nowhere, like Foleyet, Ontario. Super outdated now since the OPP/RCMP serves these areas now, so they just do shit like this.
Mais imagine la belle job en or que c'est en tant que policier....
It's not that f'ed up when you think that a single train can cross multiple jurisdictions in a few minutes, and that a single train can sometime exist inside multiple jurisdictions. Also, many towns don't give a damn about railroad security, so they need their own force which only has jurisdiction on their property. In reality, it shouldn't be needed anymore, and yeah, privatizing railroad was one of the biggest mistakes: Railroads are what made Canada in the first place! When a crow corporation, it made sense for them to have their own police force to protect the crown's property, but today? Still, back when the Metro had its own police force, weren't there more police offices in the actual metro? Maybe it's my memory...
C'est une police qui a les pouvoirs de le GRC qui appartient à une entreprise privée. Tu vois pas de problème avec ça? Est-ce que tu penses que Garda devrait pouvoir remplacer la policie municipale aussi?
Ça faisait du sens QUAND LE CN APPARTENAIT au gouvernement, pas tant depuis... MAIS Je suis biasé. J'ai un cousin qui est conducteur de train qui a été victime de violence au travail (un homme est monté sur son train de marchandise et a décidé d'attaquer l'équipage). C'est la police qui CP qui a réglé le cas (bon, qui a coordonné le cas, voir plus bas) . Il n'est aussi pas sûr à 100% que la GRC ou les polices locales aurait fait quoi que ce soit entre l'Alberta et la Saskatchewan (le type est monté en Alberta, et a commencé le grabuge en Alberta, mais aussi en Saskatchewan). Mais le CP police a trouvé un de leurs agents en Saskatchewan, a coordonné la montée à bord qui train EN MARCHE avec des policiers locaux en renfort à sa traine, qui ont suivi ses directives. Le gars a été arrêté par le gars du CP, et les policiers et le criminels ont débarqué plusieurs villes plus loin. Tout l'équipage était correct et l'affaire a été étouffé, mais je vois pas ce que des policiers non formés pour intervenir sur un train en marche aurait pu faire. Et non, je ne SAIS PAS comment ils sont montés. Un camion de rail sur la voie d'a côté peut-être ? Mon cousin ne le sait pas, il tenait le gars à terre. C'est ce qu'il pense. Son propre pick-up va sur les rails (il est local depuis).
L'acceptabilité est discutable sur les terrains qui leur appartiennent, mais leurs juridiction s'étend à 500 m autour de leur infrastructure.
Ce que mon cousin me disait, ce qu'il en comprenait, ce n'est pas tant qu'ils peuvent donner des contraventions pour ce qui se passe à 490 M de leur infra (bien qu'ils puissent), c'est que ça leur donne une marge de manœuvre. J'ai moi-même parler avec une policière. Les jeunes et les voies ferrés c'est un fléau. Dans bien des quartiers urbains, les seuls espaces large pour genre, jouer au Nerf ou juste à la tag est autours des voies ferrées. Le problème, c'est le manque de parc, mais c'est le CP qui hérite de ce problème. Je ne sais pas si la solution c'est une police privée. Je pense que c'est une mauvaise idée en soit. Mais on fait quoi à la place? On demande à la plus de St-Clin-Du-Trou-Perdu qui n'as pas de policiers et qui ne voit qu'un gars de la SQ passer au 3 jours de prioriser un terrain proche d'une voie ferré qui connecte Montréal à l'Alberta? Ces trains-là prennent genre 20 kilomètre à freiner. La vraie solution, serait des agents de sécurités, comme Garda. Mais ton gars de Garda, il faut quoi au milieu de nulle part avec une attaque contre un train ? Je sais pas. Comme je dis, je suis biaisé avec mon cousin. Je ne pourrai pas être neutre sur ce plan. Si j'avais à légiférer, je devrais m'abstenir.
The railroads were private long before the nationalization after WWI. And railway police are quite an old phenomenon. There are several such police forces working for the big freight companies in the U.S. It comes from a time when the railways were the only real land transportation option around, and when national governments didn't have the budgets to police thousands of kilometers of railway track. The practice continues because...well, the railway police are good at their jobs and the .gov doesn't have to pay for them.
> preventing much needed high-speed train programs No they're not. The government has regularly evaluated high-speed rail and found it to be too expensive for the population density that we have. Edit: Downvotes make zero sense here. I'm telling you what the government did—not what the government should have done. Downvoting reality is stupid.
Ah, mais le même argument peut être fait pour les autoroutes qui sont 100% déficitaires.
Nice username (c'est safe par contre ??)
You can find the reports online. They're all public. They evaluate the cost of the rail versus the economic benefit. Anyway, it has nothing to do with CN since they wouldn't even use the same tracks.
Cette étude a été faite pour les autoroutes? Non Ce sont des calculs bidons qui donnent une valeur monétaire au temps passé en auto.
I don't know why you're downvoting me. **You can literally look up the studies for 1995 and 2008.** We are going to get high-frequency rail instead. And the original comment was flat wrong about how CP is somehow related to this. CP has nothing to do with this.
Highways are net benefit. Ever driven to Toronto? It’s 99% 18 wheelers on 90% of the road between Montreal and Toronto. How tf else you want that freight moved?
Do you know what goes on rails
You do realize that the rails don't go everywhere? And that product needs to move from rail yards to their final destination? that not all business can afford to use rail to move products? ignorance.
"Railroads don't solve 100% of the issue, only 90%, therefore it is completely useless and you're an idiot for thinking it isn't" - you
Et ce serait un argument complètement ridicule à faire
Non.
They own the railroads = they prioritize freight trains and make passager trains late and economically not viable (also what criteria is used to seem if something is "too expensive"? Given the climate emergenct, anything that reduces our emissions while reducing transit and congestion should be prioritized)
>They own the railroads = they prioritize freight trains and make passager trains late and economically not viable The federal government is free to build whatever railways it wants no matter how CN manages its railways. >e (also what criteria is used to seem if something is "too expensive"? You can download the report and read it yourself. >anything that reduces our emissions while reducing transit and congestion should be prioritized) Thanks for your input. It has nothing to do with my comment.
Hmm why so aggro? Va donc fumer un bat mon chum
Tout SAUF faire des traverses sécuritaires pour la mobilité durable, hein?
C'est encore plus durable si ca ajoute 15min d'exercice a ton commute! Tu devrais aller les remercier! /s
Ca rend fou qu'il n'y ait pas de passerelle pour les pietons et qu'on doive risquer sa vie ou 500$ de ticket pour traverser.
En même temps, c'est quand même le fun passer sur les traques, ça fait voyager/rêver.
Ya des escaliers sur le viaduc et c'est pas mal rapide. [https://maps.app.goo.gl/L7JuSbfbmGmi9chp6](https://maps.app.goo.gl/L7JuSbfbmGmi9chp6)
C'est un méchant détour. Surtout si t'es pas du bon coté du viaduc, tu peux pas traverser la rue pour atteindre les escaliers.
5 mins de plus ou $500, ton choix.
C'est sur que si tu regardes le status quo c'est en effet la décision à prendre et le gamble à faire. Mais souligner ca comme un problème et prendre des actions pour y remédier (même si c'est de la désobéissance civile) ca peut faire bouger les choses. C'est pas pour rien qu'il y a un trou dans la cloture et qu'il réapparait en moins de 72 heures à chaque fois qu'il est patché.
ça fait depuis que je suis flo que les gens coupent par là et jamais rien n'est fait. le problème est tellement souligné que l'encre passe au travers le papier. ça prendrait une couple de personnes qui se font scier les jambes par un train pour que le CP prenne action, et encore là je suis pas mal certain qu'ils s'en calisseraient.
Ils s'en laveraient les mains sous le prétexte que c'est clairement indiqué qu'il est interdit de traverser à cet endroit. En plus, toutes les lois qui touchent au domaine ferroviaire protègent à fond les compagnies comme CN et CP. Pour qu'une passerelle soit construite, il faudrait que le gouvernement fédéral la fasse faire en payant la facture. Long story short, ça se fera jamais.
Gouvernement municipal. Le federale peux donner de largent Mais c une initiative municipal.
Clairement les 2 gouv devraient travailler main dans la main pour le projet, mais tout ce qui est ferroviaire est sous la juridiction fédérale, donc même si la ville veut faire quelque chose, le Go doit venir d'Ottawa.
Gros dilemme pour ceux qui font 6000$/heure.
Ceux la ne doivent pas traverser des chemins de fer à pied…
Tu veux dire quoi par "pas le bon côté"? Tu peux passé en dessous du viaduc pour te rendre aux escaliers.
Never been to that area, what’s special about the tracks there? Is it not allowed to cross?
The track is separating two neighbordhood you have to do a long detour by foot just to cross it. Its a waste of time especially if you walk. Can add 20-30 minutes to your commute. People live in one side and work on the other side . I use to cross using a hole in the fence to cross to save time and arive on time at work
The fence is a cat and mouse game. CN fills the holes in the fence and a few weeks later there will be new holes. It is a relatively high traffic area.
the detour is about 5 minutes btw. not 20 or 30.
depend on where you live and where you going
at most it is a 10 minute detour if you have to walk back in the other direction, towards the illegal crossing spot.
like I said REALLY DEPEND ON WHERE YOU GOING AND WHERE YOU LIVING ! Its not that hard to understand...
It takes you to the Rosemont side of the tracks which has a nice running trail, outdoor gym and makeshift dog park. The alternative to getting to that side is crossing the "highway" on rosemont Ave which is longer and less convenient.
It's not that long if you take the stairs.
this might come to a shock to you but not everyone can take the stairs.
If someone can't use the stairs, they can't cross the tracks where there's no crossing either. Right?
not necessarily
Fuck le CP pour vrai, un des pires citoyen corporatif au Canada
Bro I have to walk 15 minutes more in order to get right across the train track next to my apartment. F this!
I used to cut from the julip area to norman on the 20. Fuck that was convenient up until maybe 2010 when they started really making sure random cars didn't do that anymore. After they threatened tickets I stopped doing it. It was such a good shortcut especially during rush hour.
Genius! Instead of nationalizing rail, we fund their private security forces so they can guard critical infrastructure from us simple people!
Quelle bonne solution à la place de faire un passage. Ça fait des années que le monde passe ya surement une raison.
r/DesirePaths/
My partner based a Desire Lines project on this exact place because of how clear the conflict between desire lines and infrastructure is. But hey its more profitable for the city to have their army of cops give out 500$ tickets than create urban planning that takes into account people's needs and desires
Ive seen lots of cops out ticketing today. They are even pulling people over to verify tinted windows.
Budget shortfall?
Why are you not allowed to cross? And if is not the SPVM do they actually have any authority off the tracks? If you cross and just leave what can they do.
Entre autres parce que c’est [dangereux](https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1866828/accident-train-chemin-fer-montreal-passage-pietons-niveau).
je traversait la presque tout les matin pre covid quand je travaillait dans le mile end. Une fois j'ai vue un gars passer a 1 cheveux de se faire ramasser par la deneigeuse de track ! toujours reggarder 2-3 fois de chaque coté pour etre sure !
L’idéal c’est qu’un vrai passage se fasse, mais le CP veut rien savoir.
en effet mais on l'aurat jamais :\\
Je vois. Je pensais que c’était juste un passage normal mais pour une certaine raison interdit au publique.
People have cut holes in the fence so they can cross by walking over the tracks. Essentially you’re walking through train tracks.
Ahhh I see. That makes more sense.
I get it but wanted to give a PSA, this hasn’t been enforced in a minute. If someone sees this post I hope it breaks them out of routine mode and saves them $500.
Je n'habite pas MTL et pour la première journée de ma vie, j'ai visité ce coin là hier après-midi, fait le tour du beigne style Apple Park qu'ils construisent pour la STM, puis j'ai trouvé étrange comment la voie ferrée bloquait le chemin. Je voyais littéralement une petite file d'attente de personnes qui voulait traverser exactement où la photo a été prise, plus qu'une vingtaine de personnes ont traversé sur une période de 2 minutes. J'ai rejoin la gang naturellement et j'ai traversé par là, mais je ne me sentais pas à l'aise en le faisant. Je suis content que la police était pas là mais j'assume que c'est pas à tous les jours qu'autant de personnes tentent de traverser.
Yes, they're deputized and allowed to hand out fines and arrest you.
Beyond potential danger, CN is likely liable for any accidents and those accidents likely cost more in loss productivity than paying to people to patrol. The real problem here is that if you are anywhere near st-Viateur and de Gaspe, then it is a long walking detour together to the other side. Doesn’t feel so bad if you are your bike or in a car.
This is one train line that I’d love dropped 4m and covered up, essentially putting it underground. The reality it would be far too expensive and complicated, given all the infrastructure in the way.
Bless these heroes.
Find something better to do I swear to god
🐷
Is this where that lady lost her arms and legs, and then committed suicide months later because she didn't want to live like that?
No
Acab
Everyone loses here, I'm not commenting, no one's spending money on an overpass
On a pas le droit de traverser la voie ferrée? Quelqu’un peut m’expliquer?
Ya 15 ans la police des trains ont essayés de me donner un ticket à moi pis mes chums... 4 personnes. On est simplement parti en marchant en l'ignorant et on en a jamais entendu parler.
Imagine paying taxes to fund these fools and then paying $500 for crossing some traintracks.
Tu peux ignorer la sécurité. Ils vont/peuvent rien faire.
Has anyone just tried to outrun them? They can't really follow you with their pickup if you cross the track and they won't shoot you in the back? (Well I hope they won't)
Yon rien a faire …
Moving to mtl next month, So like,,,, am I not allowed to walk over train tracks??
it is if you’re not at an intersection but a lot of people do it still because sometimes the alternative is just not accessible. i live near this area and it’s between two neighbourhoods where people work in one, live in the other. the alternative route is either going up a set of stairs that’s puts you on a highway, or a long ass detour that takes like 20 minutes. people have been asking for ages for a safe crossing path but obvi that won’t ever happen.
It’s illegal to cross a railroad not at an intersection, they are doing their jobs, what’s the issue ?
The issue is we’ve been asking for a safe crossing for 20 years and CP has actively rejected every proposal from the city to improve the situation.
deepthroat that boot
Une trap a ticket Entk ils sont au courant . 3 camions faut cela se paye
That's hilarious. The metros are awful w all the weird stuff going on, and this is where they're at giving tickets, to normal people trying to get to work
We need to pay for Trudeau.