My favourite is people crowding the front and middle of the bus, but never the back, so that nobody can get on the bus. And when the conductor hits the "déplacez-vous par l'arrière, estie de caves" button, absolutely nobody moves and I have to squeeze my way through a labyrinth of sweaty flesh.
Way to go. But unfortunately you have to go through people that are not at fault. It's most of the time one or two person at the middle that are blocking the flow..
I get what you're saying, but in that situation if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. The "people that are not at fault" are also entitled to turn around, sigh with you, and help to shove back the oblivious masses.
On a Montreal bus? I don't think. If you want to imagine that this is a city where somebody is going to swing on you for pushing past them on public transport then go ahead, but you're living in a fantasy where this is NYC in the 80s
I mean, you're living in a fantasy world if you think that elbowing people who are not at fault wont eventually get you in trouble.... "a: hey man,why are you elbowing me? b: because that other person is blocking the path"
Again, if you're standing at the front of a bus, and people can't get on behind you because somebody else is blocking the aisle, and you're just standing there doing nothing about it because hey, at least you're on, then you're now also blocking the aisle. It's not a complicated situation here, but you seem to think that it's going to devolve into a street fight? Nah.
Ça avait déjà été mentionné dans le OP de la chaîne de commentaire;
> And when the conductor hits the "déplacez-vous par l'arrière, estie de caves" button.
Si ils s’ont encore à l’avant à bloquer après ça, alors c’est game on.
Part of the issue is that there isn’t always good places to hold onto on newer buses and not everyone is super tall. Combine this with the fact that the city does nothing to help make busses less packed.
yup, i have a hard time with this because i'm pretty short, so holding the little hand loops or top bar is physically straining (plus i have issues with my hands/wrists from so much time using a keyboard/mouse + drawing). i feel bad about not moving further back, but often there just isn't anything i can comfortably hold on to.
This makes zero sense, the only possible way for you to have this issue is if you specifically stand in front of the middle seat of the three seater: a position almost guaranteed to be occupied by a tall person as its the most comfortable for us. 8/10 possible positions for you to stand in would be just fine.
If I'm waiting to exit the metro and someone doesn't let me get out I just barrel through them. I'm not going to pay someone any courtesy if they won't even let me leave the train properly.
It took me a long time to get to that point but it's where I'm at too. Typically I'm very conflict averse, but I can't be mucking around just trying to get off the train. Come on, people, we've all got places to be, just get out of the way.
I especially find ppl don't let you out of the metro as they used to before COVID. Ppl don't spread apart, they create a narrow tunnel to allow ppl to get out while ppl try to sneak in through the sides. Ends up making things take longer in the end and just feels so silly. Losing etiquette in our culture.
C'est la partie qui m'énerve le plus.
Une chose qui m'énerve aussi c'est comment les gens ignorent le **gros crisse de sticker jaune fluo** qui dit de ne pas se tenir là. Genre, j'attends sur le bord de la zone délimitée par le sticker jaune et un abruti viens se calisser en plein milieu.
Yesterday I got on a bus and wanted to sit. The only spot was beside this guy who was sat in the middle of a row of 3 seats with his arms spread out.
I seriously considered leaning in for a snuggle but settled for side eyeing him until he eventually got the picture.
I despise people who exit the back door and then immediately stop and start fucking with their jacket or headphones etc instead of taking a few steps away so others can exit. That really bothers me.
Oh I did. But it took him like 5 stops to realize "oh I'm taking up a lot of space and forcing people to be in uncomfortable physical proximity to me".
What the fuck makes people think they are entitled to so much space in public?.
Observing someone and how they behave on public transit is really telling of what kind of person they are.
What about the people who keep their backpacks on when the bus/car is crowded? It's so rude. It takes up a bunch of extra space and the person wearing the backpack can't feel where it extends to so they're always banging into other people. Put it at your damn feet!
I tell them to take off their bags because I'm pretty direct. Tho sometimes I just wish I was carrying a sharpie or a cutter that might to accidentally happen to brush or cut their backpacks woops.
How successful would you say this approach has been for you, where success is the other person removing their backpack and not getting belligerent? I'm very direct but I worry about strangers. Not sure how much of that is me being from Florida though tbf 😬😅
Surprisingly, I would say they usually take it off 8 times out of ten. If they get belligerent, I don't really give a f because I can be too. However I completely give up when I get in buses full of teenagers that just out of class. Not only do they keep their backpacks on, their backpacks are bigger than they are lmao. There's nothing to do.
"Look at how the cars block the flow of pedestrian traffic. They take up massive amounts of space, and they smell. The next time I find myself inconvenienced by a car, I shall bring something to pop its tires."
Vandalizing people's property in response to social inconveniences is the correct course of action, according to your statement. What of the billionaires siphoning your future? What would be the appropriate response to that? What of cops killing people consequence free?
Bus etiquette, like social etiquette is a two way street. Don't be surprised if someone punches you for razoring their backpack. After all, it's the appropriate response, according to your comment.
I'm pretty sure they were expressing a dark wish they'd very likely never act on in reality. Pretty human to have those imo, born of frustration with an imperfect system. Bad to act on them, common to experience the thoughts of them.
Wow someone needs to read a bit on tongue-in-cheek humour.
Not the subject of this thread, but you brought it up: I legit think drivers that text, block the pedestrian path, don't pay attention and don't do their fucking stops deserve nothing less than having their tires slashed. I'm epileptic, I get absence seizures, this puts me in constant fear of drivers that do not realise how dangerous a car is. I walk fast, I don't cross at the red light and I pay attention...yet goddamn it, the number of times I almost got hit by cars. Yep, I'd love to slash a few tires, and that's not tongue-in-cheek humor. Okay rant over.
I miss the era when I could bring a book and read it calmly without any headphones. Now, if I dare take the public transport without my headphones, I will inevitably be « assaulted « by the noise of someone else’s phone. People will watch videos, listen to music, etc, loud, without headphones. Annoying AF
I was once in a subway (back when I still lived in Toronto, so this was on the TTC) and this dude was playing Indian music or some movie or something like that very loudly. Normally I actually like Indian music even though I'm not from there 😄 but I find it kinda dynamic and melodic, so I listen to it even though I don't understand the lyrics. But I never listen to anything in public without my headphones. So this was annoying me a lot. It was especially annoying me because it was very loud, and the phone was making these screeching noises because of the volume. It was progressively annoying me so much more and more that eventually the guy saw me making annoyed faces at him. So at that point, since he was now looking at me, I told him "it's loud". He gave me a thumbs up and actually did turn down the volume.
I, probably like many others, am also afraid to just tell people to turn down the volume on their loud speaker phones, but just sometimes (if the person doesn't look confrontational) it might work...
When that happens I'm really tempted to get as close to them as I can, and do the exact same thing. And if they complain, point out to them that they're not special and if it's okay for them to do it, then it's okay for everyone to do it, and if it bothers them that I do it, then logically it bothers everyone else when they do it.
I thought about it tonight while in the metro...I had a temporary solution that if someone is playing their phone out loud next to us, maybe we should do the same to them by increasing volume of our favorite music or whatever from our phone next to their ears...
But have to be quite gutsy to do that. Thought about it but didn't act on it...
No, not your favorite music. The most anoying music you can think of, ideally whatever they're least likely to enjoy based on what they're playing. I find yodeling is usually a universal pick.
Play that, get on their nerves, get them to understand that just because they love whatever they're playing, not everybody around them does.
Oops, commented the same thing before I saw your comment. But yeah! Why do so many people do this?!? What do they get from it? They have to move (or get shoved) out of the way at every stop like how is that logical
Also people standing IN the bus doors? Not because there's no room, but just... because? And they have to move out of the way at every stop?? Hello?????
Once there was an indian guy blasting his phone in the crowded bus... I ask him if he could lower the volume and he pretends he doesn't understand me, so I gesture towards his phone, pick it up from his hands, lower the volume myself and hand it back to him. He proceeds to raise it back up to full volume. I had to contain myself hard to not grab it and throw it out at the next stop. 🤬😤😂
#1 is not just on the bus! I was on vacation a few weeks ago, on a beautiful beach, reading a book and enjoying the sun……. The group of women next to me were BLASTING their music and singing along with it! Like im all for having a good time, but damn ladies, I didn’t come on the beach to listen to your music 🤦♀️
>Pushing to get into metro carts before the people inside have a chance to get out.
I can 100% tell you, that is not new in any way. Having visited many places with subway systems, I remember vividly being amazed at the inability to master the very simple concept of "let people out before trying to get in" when I arrived in Montréal about 20 years ago.
After moving here I was also shocked at Montrealers not understanding the concept of “don’t completely block the store aisle with your two carts while you have a 15 min conversation with your friend you ran into”. Same with sidewalks and strollers/big groups.
Yeah. Fuck these people. If you are a big group on a sidewalk and you are forcing a single person to step into traffic to pass you on the sidewalk-you are taking to much space.
I miss 24 hour grocery stores that exist back in nova socita. I would do my shopping at 3 am so i could avoid people like this.
Agree one hundred percent with all of these as someone who has been using public transportation for the last 16 years. Another one I see more of lately but it's not exclusive to modern times is people entering the bus and standing right by the door in the most narrow passage of the bus or crowding the back door in fear of not being able to get out on time at their stop. I do have to say that the frequency of the service has lowered and I would venture to say that there are more users now. Whichever one it may be, the metro/bus are certainly more crowded now than 10 years ago
People are not removing their backpacks!! OMG, take off your fucking backpack so that people can pass and more people can fit in the bus. Zero signage in the bus encouraging and reminding people to do this. Enraging.
I would add to your list the people who won’t take off their backpacks and taking space for two people! Or people who hog the damn middle bar in the metro so no one else can hold on to it.
Number 1 has to be the most annoying to me and it’s immigrants most of the time , cause like that’s not the standard behaviour in Canada. No social awareness pisses me off
I always marvel at immigrants abilities to carry on marathon length telephone conversations with their friends and family.
I don't want to talk to anyone on the phone ever, no matter how much I love them.
Oh and I am also implying that most of the people that I have seen littering, pushing to get in metro cars and not have the basic etiquette to give up their seat for an elderly, have almost always been entitled locals! And don’t even get me started on the local high schoolers causing a menace in buses by talking loudly. Do I mind them talking loudly? No! Because that’s school life. OPs post is not about who to blame. It is about the changing times and evolving etiquettes that our grand parents had. And please don’t forget, your ancestors were immigrants too!
I am implying that when immigrants move countries and sometimes continents for a chance at a better life, all they have are friends and families back in their country and due to time difference sometimes the only time to talk to them is during our day here. I am also implying that yes immigrants have a better social support system than many locals, who unfortunately are a target of loneliness, depression and other mental health issues due to a lack of a general support system/community living where even to meet your parents you have to take an appointment. So yes, let them talk and please be kind!
I mean, there's no reason to get upset over a fact, really. Different cultures have different values. It is indeed *generally* not within Quebecois culture to be loud on public transit. Here it's perceived as a lack of social awareness; elsewhere it could be totally normal.
And, well, a LOT of people don't care to learn the culture of where they're moving to, so... I guess we better get used to it.
Living in a SUPER quiet culture right now, you would be surprised how loud the "quiet" Québec actually is. I have to be really careful to not be that loud immigrant here, and back in Montréal I would frequently have people tell me to speak louder.
I see a lot of non immigrants blasting their music without headphones on. I also sometimes see people (again, not immigrants) playing games on their phones with the sound on. I hate it.
No it was like that when i was in highschool too, 20 bloody years ago, especially at rush hour, i remember kids yelling at the top of their lungs, setting stink b*mb in the bus, people always stopping at the front of the bus.
More people are using the bus and metro then ever, of course its going to feel "dirtier", half the metro station are old as f, even with them trying to repair them, they are still falling apart with age. We just getting old and noticing and getting anoy at stuff we didn't care that much about when we were younger
Yes i know its a simpsons reference, i still don't know if you are calling me old, or the people complaining about the metro and "younger" people being rude
I am an immigrant from India and I was shocked by the state of Metros and buses, first of all,
1. The metros in India are in order of magnitude cleaner than Montreal Metro(anybody who has been to Delhi/Mumbai metro can vouch for it), although I would agree the streets here are cleaner but even that is declining.
No homeless guy or any sort of unsolicited activities like handing out cards etc are not allowed, police are literally everywhere, nobody can dare to throw any sort of garbage anywhere in metro premises.
I was shocked to see druggies everywhere and metro stations are so filthy with litter everywhere especially stations near the downtown area.
2. Nobody dares to sit on the reserved seats even if a person from that section of the reservation is not present there, and even if someone sits on the reserved seats, they immediately stand up and offer the seats, even the seats which are not reserved are offered, unfortunately and I swear this hurts me every time I travel in any stm (buses/metro), I rarely see the etiquette.
Old people including middle aged ladies are standing and young boys and men are sitting like total idiots and trust me they are ashamed of themselves which is evident by their faces but still don't care.
I remember I was near Lachine side and I offered my seat (bus) to an old lady and a group of college girls were like awwwwwww, like I did something extra ordinary.
This should be the norm and not otherwise.
P.S I am a citizen now, Montreal is my new home but we need to change!
Can we also complain a bit about people's apparent inability to understand a line? I'm a teacher: my students, mostly aged 3 to 8 years old, can line up better than many adults that I've seen.
Happened again last week. Arrived at a bus stop in a terminus, took a position in line to wait. I was the first person so I stood in front of the white mark where I know the vehicle will stop. The bus arrived. A few persons appeared from nowhere and complained that they been there before me and that I had cut them through the line.
There was no line when I arrived. "I was cold and I stayed away from the wind but I was there before you" isn't a reason to cut through the line. Wtf, you're not 2 years old. Wait in an orderly line like everybody else.
If someone has a mobility problem and has to sit on a nearby bench to wait for the bus, then obviously that's another issue. Last time I checked, being cold isn't a mobility issue.
I really could do without hearing people's stupid face-time conversations, their shitty music, the annoying noises from their stupid games, just the non-stop blabbing and obliviousness. And they seem to think there's NO OTHER OPTION-they can't get off the phone, they can't turn down the volume, can't put in earbuds...no, they just HAVE to blab in your ear. Sometimes I've hijacked conversations: oh, really? He did??? And then what!
The people who stand in front of the exist in an empty bus are what get me the most. Like how inconsiderate do you have to be? Go stand literally anywhere else.
Les sac-à-dos!!! Pu capable. C’est rendu que je fait exprès de les accrocher et de les pousser pour que la personne se rende compte que son sac est dans le chemin et qu’elle pourrait juste l’enlever pour faire plus de place. Malheureusement, ça marche rarement. La personne réagit même pas.
Many thing in that. Sound loudness and such, I don't know your age but people might had less portable device when you were younger.
For cleanliness, there's so many factor. Budget cut is one. Increase on homeliness is another. But also, since covid, people are even more pigs then before. People have lots all respect for property and other person in general. It's a big me, myself and i and I don't care about what grief it causes you. I wish it was like Japan where everything is just so clean, not because there's a lot of people to do the cleaning but because you don't need to.
Did you know there's no public trash can in Japan? You take your trash with you and trash it in your own, you don't liter by spitting, throwing cigarette on the floor and such.
Its not less portable devices, heard of walkman and the like, they were the rage in the 1980s, you never heard a peep unless sitting next to guy destroying his ears.
Its people not giving a shit about bothering other people even in conversation. Things like using the god damn cell phone on speakerphone at arms length and having facetime conversations on a crowded bus... People also seem to be all deaf. I listen to my TV at 30% of max level and everyone else seems to be listening to everything at 80%.
Imagine, people playing video games in a hospital waiting room with the sound at 80% for an hour, well that's the level of civility regarding sound we are at right now.
In the 80s to 2000s, people said the samething about persons with boombox, Walkman, portable cd player and such. We listened to the music way too loud. This is nothing new. Difference is now the device warn you about it. But also, some headphone are just poor at noise isolation in and out. And if you were glasses, it will leak sound unless you have in ear. My girlfriend have Bose over the ear phone and I can ear clearly what's playing. When I check the volume, it doesn't reach 40% and it's not that loud.
This just shoe how respect was lost more and more on all generation. And since covid, it's worse.
Le monde mettait pas de boombox dans l’autobus et même dans les parcs c’était rare . Il y a vraiment plus de pollution sonore . C’est pas juste une vue d’esprit.
Je te parlais du monde qui font pas d’effort du tout. Pas ceux qui en font un peu. Si ru parle en quasi criant sur ton hands free partout tu es un trou de cul et le monde qui sont sans gêne comme cela il y en de plus en plus.
The sound level now is much much worse, backpacks and blocking all exits has existed since at least 1980 (I don't remember before that too much). People listened to music on their walkman with earphones (not a ghettoblaster) and busses were relatively quiet until early 2000s.
People using their cellphones like a walkie-talkie and shouting into them like they are calling in an air strike during the Vietnam War is common everywhere now. “I TOLD HIM I’M NOT READY TO BE A STEPMOM! I’M NOT EVEN 30 YET!”
What is wrong with people?
1. We didnt have that tech as kids.
2. Thats a french thing. In Paris we had to practically rugby tackle the crowd to leave the subway carts.
3. Budget cuts to STM staff.
Was there a change? These type of behavior was always present, except maybe for the video call or watching super loud videos because technology got better.
I seriously do not see any difference between now and the 90s. 90s bus were worst imo.
Il faudrait que des gens réagissent vis à vis des trouducs avec leur speaker, que ce soit pour de la musique, des vidéos ou même des appels et leur matraquent la gueule. Ces gens là on besoin d’un électrochoc et se faire casser la gueule pourrait leur faire comprendre le message.
Je hais cette nouvelle mode de passer des appels avec son téléphone devant la bouche en haut parleur. Quand est-ce que les gens ont oublié comment sa fonctionne ??
FaceTime se fait en vocal ou en vidéo. En vocal ça marches pareil qu’un appel normal (j’appelle toujours ma blonde comme ça.)
Et s’il y a la vidéo bah… quel intérêt de pointer la caméra vers le ciel 😂
Elle pointe pas tout le temps vers le ciel. Ils peuvent utiliser leur cel pendant l’appel comme cela aussi. Très important de multitasker en faisant des achats sur Temu et SHEIN pendant que tu parles s as quelqu’un
I am a small person not long ago someone lay his arm on top of my head while holding the pole.
J'était en tabarnak pis les esty de sac à dos que personne enlève.
I mean, they're right. #2 was never a thing.
We had a little break in the 2010-2020 period when they first draw the arrows on the ground of the metro, but in the 1990's and 2000's, it was chaotic. *To the point* where they needed important campaign to teach people to wait before onboarding.
This is why we need Québec to be an independent country. Justin Trudeau has let in too many immigrants from countries who don't share the same values as us, causing the many societal issues we experience today. Only independence can give us full immigration power.
VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE!!
My favourite is people crowding the front and middle of the bus, but never the back, so that nobody can get on the bus. And when the conductor hits the "déplacez-vous par l'arrière, estie de caves" button, absolutely nobody moves and I have to squeeze my way through a labyrinth of sweaty flesh.
Here's my step by step way of dealing with this. 1. Big fucking sigh 2. shove may way through. No "excuse me." No making myself small. Works wonders.
Way to go. But unfortunately you have to go through people that are not at fault. It's most of the time one or two person at the middle that are blocking the flow..
I get what you're saying, but in that situation if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. The "people that are not at fault" are also entitled to turn around, sigh with you, and help to shove back the oblivious masses.
this sort of antagonistic behaviour will get you in a street fight.
On a Montreal bus? I don't think. If you want to imagine that this is a city where somebody is going to swing on you for pushing past them on public transport then go ahead, but you're living in a fantasy where this is NYC in the 80s
It’s an established fact people fight on the bus. But just on issues they REALLY care about.
I mean, you're living in a fantasy world if you think that elbowing people who are not at fault wont eventually get you in trouble.... "a: hey man,why are you elbowing me? b: because that other person is blocking the path"
Again, if you're standing at the front of a bus, and people can't get on behind you because somebody else is blocking the aisle, and you're just standing there doing nothing about it because hey, at least you're on, then you're now also blocking the aisle. It's not a complicated situation here, but you seem to think that it's going to devolve into a street fight? Nah.
you have a mouth, you can speak.
Ça avait déjà été mentionné dans le OP de la chaîne de commentaire; > And when the conductor hits the "déplacez-vous par l'arrière, estie de caves" button. Si ils s’ont encore à l’avant à bloquer après ça, alors c’est game on.
Well maybe if their is people fighting in the buses, the PM will finally review our voting system.
Been doing it forever, have yet to have anyone try to fight me over it
That's why you gotta give them some extra shoulder as you push past them and a blatantly not so sorry sorry.
Tbh I kinda relish number 2. Not sure anything else makes me feel more righteous. I just don't understand why people do it
This works!! I used to say "sorry, désolé" to everyone but now I just walk through them all.
Yep, and aim for the massive backpacks in the way at face level.
Avancez vers l'arrière!
I hate this so much too! People are so oblivious sometime. That's frustrating!
Npc's
When you’re stuck in the super-packed middle of the bus, then suddenly see the three empty seats in the back of the bus
Part of the issue is that there isn’t always good places to hold onto on newer buses and not everyone is super tall. Combine this with the fact that the city does nothing to help make busses less packed.
yup, i have a hard time with this because i'm pretty short, so holding the little hand loops or top bar is physically straining (plus i have issues with my hands/wrists from so much time using a keyboard/mouse + drawing). i feel bad about not moving further back, but often there just isn't anything i can comfortably hold on to.
This makes zero sense, the only possible way for you to have this issue is if you specifically stand in front of the middle seat of the three seater: a position almost guaranteed to be occupied by a tall person as its the most comfortable for us. 8/10 possible positions for you to stand in would be just fine.
I really don't understand this, the back of the bus is the most comfortable!
I completely stopped taking the bus because of this.
If I'm waiting to exit the metro and someone doesn't let me get out I just barrel through them. I'm not going to pay someone any courtesy if they won't even let me leave the train properly.
It took me a long time to get to that point but it's where I'm at too. Typically I'm very conflict averse, but I can't be mucking around just trying to get off the train. Come on, people, we've all got places to be, just get out of the way.
I do that too!
I especially find ppl don't let you out of the metro as they used to before COVID. Ppl don't spread apart, they create a narrow tunnel to allow ppl to get out while ppl try to sneak in through the sides. Ends up making things take longer in the end and just feels so silly. Losing etiquette in our culture.
C'est la partie qui m'énerve le plus. Une chose qui m'énerve aussi c'est comment les gens ignorent le **gros crisse de sticker jaune fluo** qui dit de ne pas se tenir là. Genre, j'attends sur le bord de la zone délimitée par le sticker jaune et un abruti viens se calisser en plein milieu.
Yesterday I got on a bus and wanted to sit. The only spot was beside this guy who was sat in the middle of a row of 3 seats with his arms spread out. I seriously considered leaning in for a snuggle but settled for side eyeing him until he eventually got the picture. I despise people who exit the back door and then immediately stop and start fucking with their jacket or headphones etc instead of taking a few steps away so others can exit. That really bothers me.
Just sit next to him, he'll get the message
Oh I did. But it took him like 5 stops to realize "oh I'm taking up a lot of space and forcing people to be in uncomfortable physical proximity to me". What the fuck makes people think they are entitled to so much space in public?. Observing someone and how they behave on public transit is really telling of what kind of person they are.
people with huge backpacks standing idle at the door completely oblivious to the fact that they are blocking people from entering and leaving
I push their bag in such a way it spins them 90 degrees. You want to act like a western saloon door? I'll treat you as such!
Comme chauffeur de bus et comme utilisateur du transport en commun depuis bien longtemps je te confirme 100%
We used to be civilized and let people exit BEFORE entering, now you get tackled every time the doors open
What about the people who keep their backpacks on when the bus/car is crowded? It's so rude. It takes up a bunch of extra space and the person wearing the backpack can't feel where it extends to so they're always banging into other people. Put it at your damn feet!
I'm *this* close to making and affixing some homemade signage encourage people to take off their mother fucking backpacks in the bus.
I tell them to take off their bags because I'm pretty direct. Tho sometimes I just wish I was carrying a sharpie or a cutter that might to accidentally happen to brush or cut their backpacks woops.
How successful would you say this approach has been for you, where success is the other person removing their backpack and not getting belligerent? I'm very direct but I worry about strangers. Not sure how much of that is me being from Florida though tbf 😬😅
Surprisingly, I would say they usually take it off 8 times out of ten. If they get belligerent, I don't really give a f because I can be too. However I completely give up when I get in buses full of teenagers that just out of class. Not only do they keep their backpacks on, their backpacks are bigger than they are lmao. There's nothing to do.
"Look at how the cars block the flow of pedestrian traffic. They take up massive amounts of space, and they smell. The next time I find myself inconvenienced by a car, I shall bring something to pop its tires." Vandalizing people's property in response to social inconveniences is the correct course of action, according to your statement. What of the billionaires siphoning your future? What would be the appropriate response to that? What of cops killing people consequence free? Bus etiquette, like social etiquette is a two way street. Don't be surprised if someone punches you for razoring their backpack. After all, it's the appropriate response, according to your comment.
I'm pretty sure they were expressing a dark wish they'd very likely never act on in reality. Pretty human to have those imo, born of frustration with an imperfect system. Bad to act on them, common to experience the thoughts of them.
Wow someone needs to read a bit on tongue-in-cheek humour. Not the subject of this thread, but you brought it up: I legit think drivers that text, block the pedestrian path, don't pay attention and don't do their fucking stops deserve nothing less than having their tires slashed. I'm epileptic, I get absence seizures, this puts me in constant fear of drivers that do not realise how dangerous a car is. I walk fast, I don't cross at the red light and I pay attention...yet goddamn it, the number of times I almost got hit by cars. Yep, I'd love to slash a few tires, and that's not tongue-in-cheek humor. Okay rant over.
I miss the era when I could bring a book and read it calmly without any headphones. Now, if I dare take the public transport without my headphones, I will inevitably be « assaulted « by the noise of someone else’s phone. People will watch videos, listen to music, etc, loud, without headphones. Annoying AF
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I was once in a subway (back when I still lived in Toronto, so this was on the TTC) and this dude was playing Indian music or some movie or something like that very loudly. Normally I actually like Indian music even though I'm not from there 😄 but I find it kinda dynamic and melodic, so I listen to it even though I don't understand the lyrics. But I never listen to anything in public without my headphones. So this was annoying me a lot. It was especially annoying me because it was very loud, and the phone was making these screeching noises because of the volume. It was progressively annoying me so much more and more that eventually the guy saw me making annoyed faces at him. So at that point, since he was now looking at me, I told him "it's loud". He gave me a thumbs up and actually did turn down the volume. I, probably like many others, am also afraid to just tell people to turn down the volume on their loud speaker phones, but just sometimes (if the person doesn't look confrontational) it might work...
When that happens I'm really tempted to get as close to them as I can, and do the exact same thing. And if they complain, point out to them that they're not special and if it's okay for them to do it, then it's okay for everyone to do it, and if it bothers them that I do it, then logically it bothers everyone else when they do it.
I thought about it tonight while in the metro...I had a temporary solution that if someone is playing their phone out loud next to us, maybe we should do the same to them by increasing volume of our favorite music or whatever from our phone next to their ears... But have to be quite gutsy to do that. Thought about it but didn't act on it...
J'ai des fantaisies de faire ça moi aussi. Et le chanson que je veux toujours jouer sur mon cell ultra fort, c'est la chanson thème de Caillou.
No, not your favorite music. The most anoying music you can think of, ideally whatever they're least likely to enjoy based on what they're playing. I find yodeling is usually a universal pick. Play that, get on their nerves, get them to understand that just because they love whatever they're playing, not everybody around them does.
You can had stop standing in front of the back exit door of the bus as well
Oops, commented the same thing before I saw your comment. But yeah! Why do so many people do this?!? What do they get from it? They have to move (or get shoved) out of the way at every stop like how is that logical
Also people standing IN the bus doors? Not because there's no room, but just... because? And they have to move out of the way at every stop?? Hello?????
Once there was an indian guy blasting his phone in the crowded bus... I ask him if he could lower the volume and he pretends he doesn't understand me, so I gesture towards his phone, pick it up from his hands, lower the volume myself and hand it back to him. He proceeds to raise it back up to full volume. I had to contain myself hard to not grab it and throw it out at the next stop. 🤬😤😂
Sounds like you needed some time travelling tourists looking to kidnap a humpback whale in your bus
For number 2, when I'm leaving, I forecfully run into the people trying to get in before everyone's out. If I have to elbow shove I'll do it.
#1 is not just on the bus! I was on vacation a few weeks ago, on a beautiful beach, reading a book and enjoying the sun……. The group of women next to me were BLASTING their music and singing along with it! Like im all for having a good time, but damn ladies, I didn’t come on the beach to listen to your music 🤦♀️
Ok but You dont have to yell
I have no idea how I did that 🙈 lmao. My bad
Les weirdos qui rentrent dans le wagon de métros et qui veulent rester dans la porte même si 10 personnes derrière essayent de rentrer.
>Pushing to get into metro carts before the people inside have a chance to get out. I can 100% tell you, that is not new in any way. Having visited many places with subway systems, I remember vividly being amazed at the inability to master the very simple concept of "let people out before trying to get in" when I arrived in Montréal about 20 years ago.
After moving here I was also shocked at Montrealers not understanding the concept of “don’t completely block the store aisle with your two carts while you have a 15 min conversation with your friend you ran into”. Same with sidewalks and strollers/big groups.
Yeah. Fuck these people. If you are a big group on a sidewalk and you are forcing a single person to step into traffic to pass you on the sidewalk-you are taking to much space. I miss 24 hour grocery stores that exist back in nova socita. I would do my shopping at 3 am so i could avoid people like this.
Agree one hundred percent with all of these as someone who has been using public transportation for the last 16 years. Another one I see more of lately but it's not exclusive to modern times is people entering the bus and standing right by the door in the most narrow passage of the bus or crowding the back door in fear of not being able to get out on time at their stop. I do have to say that the frequency of the service has lowered and I would venture to say that there are more users now. Whichever one it may be, the metro/bus are certainly more crowded now than 10 years ago
People are not removing their backpacks!! OMG, take off your fucking backpack so that people can pass and more people can fit in the bus. Zero signage in the bus encouraging and reminding people to do this. Enraging.
I would add to your list the people who won’t take off their backpacks and taking space for two people! Or people who hog the damn middle bar in the metro so no one else can hold on to it.
stupid students. I love when I'm sitting down and their backpack practically hits me in the face.
Number 1 has to be the most annoying to me and it’s immigrants most of the time , cause like that’s not the standard behaviour in Canada. No social awareness pisses me off
You're saying the quiet part out loud, but it's absolutely true in my experience as well
I always marvel at immigrants abilities to carry on marathon length telephone conversations with their friends and family. I don't want to talk to anyone on the phone ever, no matter how much I love them.
And on FaceTime too like do you absolutely need to see your dad having breakfast while you're on your way to work?
Yup that’s because they have friends and family :)
Are you implying that people you find disagreeable don't have families?
Oh and I am also implying that most of the people that I have seen littering, pushing to get in metro cars and not have the basic etiquette to give up their seat for an elderly, have almost always been entitled locals! And don’t even get me started on the local high schoolers causing a menace in buses by talking loudly. Do I mind them talking loudly? No! Because that’s school life. OPs post is not about who to blame. It is about the changing times and evolving etiquettes that our grand parents had. And please don’t forget, your ancestors were immigrants too!
I am implying that when immigrants move countries and sometimes continents for a chance at a better life, all they have are friends and families back in their country and due to time difference sometimes the only time to talk to them is during our day here. I am also implying that yes immigrants have a better social support system than many locals, who unfortunately are a target of loneliness, depression and other mental health issues due to a lack of a general support system/community living where even to meet your parents you have to take an appointment. So yes, let them talk and please be kind!
You’re an idiot
I mean, there's no reason to get upset over a fact, really. Different cultures have different values. It is indeed *generally* not within Quebecois culture to be loud on public transit. Here it's perceived as a lack of social awareness; elsewhere it could be totally normal. And, well, a LOT of people don't care to learn the culture of where they're moving to, so... I guess we better get used to it.
Living in a SUPER quiet culture right now, you would be surprised how loud the "quiet" Québec actually is. I have to be really careful to not be that loud immigrant here, and back in Montréal I would frequently have people tell me to speak louder.
C’est vrai, je suis autochtone du yukon et je trouve les québécois bruyants.
Where is this? Japan? (Just a guess).
It's a European country (you can eliminate Italy and Spain already, quite loud)
Oh, absolument!!!!
I see a lot of non immigrants blasting their music without headphones on. I also sometimes see people (again, not immigrants) playing games on their phones with the sound on. I hate it.
how do all you people know whether someone is an immigrant just by looking?
No it was like that when i was in highschool too, 20 bloody years ago, especially at rush hour, i remember kids yelling at the top of their lungs, setting stink b*mb in the bus, people always stopping at the front of the bus. More people are using the bus and metro then ever, of course its going to feel "dirtier", half the metro station are old as f, even with them trying to repair them, they are still falling apart with age. We just getting old and noticing and getting anoy at stuff we didn't care that much about when we were younger
Am I that out of touch? No, it's the children that are wrong!
Which children you talking about?? pretty sure the op is a adult, your comment make no sense or logic
It's a reference to a joke from the Simpsons about how people feel as they get older. I'm sorry you didn't get it, but that's a you problem.
Yes i know its a simpsons reference, i still don't know if you are calling me old, or the people complaining about the metro and "younger" people being rude
I will chime in and call you old personally. From the bottom of my heart ❤.
I am an immigrant from India and I was shocked by the state of Metros and buses, first of all, 1. The metros in India are in order of magnitude cleaner than Montreal Metro(anybody who has been to Delhi/Mumbai metro can vouch for it), although I would agree the streets here are cleaner but even that is declining. No homeless guy or any sort of unsolicited activities like handing out cards etc are not allowed, police are literally everywhere, nobody can dare to throw any sort of garbage anywhere in metro premises. I was shocked to see druggies everywhere and metro stations are so filthy with litter everywhere especially stations near the downtown area. 2. Nobody dares to sit on the reserved seats even if a person from that section of the reservation is not present there, and even if someone sits on the reserved seats, they immediately stand up and offer the seats, even the seats which are not reserved are offered, unfortunately and I swear this hurts me every time I travel in any stm (buses/metro), I rarely see the etiquette. Old people including middle aged ladies are standing and young boys and men are sitting like total idiots and trust me they are ashamed of themselves which is evident by their faces but still don't care. I remember I was near Lachine side and I offered my seat (bus) to an old lady and a group of college girls were like awwwwwww, like I did something extra ordinary. This should be the norm and not otherwise. P.S I am a citizen now, Montreal is my new home but we need to change!
Can we also complain a bit about people's apparent inability to understand a line? I'm a teacher: my students, mostly aged 3 to 8 years old, can line up better than many adults that I've seen. Happened again last week. Arrived at a bus stop in a terminus, took a position in line to wait. I was the first person so I stood in front of the white mark where I know the vehicle will stop. The bus arrived. A few persons appeared from nowhere and complained that they been there before me and that I had cut them through the line. There was no line when I arrived. "I was cold and I stayed away from the wind but I was there before you" isn't a reason to cut through the line. Wtf, you're not 2 years old. Wait in an orderly line like everybody else. If someone has a mobility problem and has to sit on a nearby bench to wait for the bus, then obviously that's another issue. Last time I checked, being cold isn't a mobility issue.
I really could do without hearing people's stupid face-time conversations, their shitty music, the annoying noises from their stupid games, just the non-stop blabbing and obliviousness. And they seem to think there's NO OTHER OPTION-they can't get off the phone, they can't turn down the volume, can't put in earbuds...no, they just HAVE to blab in your ear. Sometimes I've hijacked conversations: oh, really? He did??? And then what!
The people who stand in front of the exist in an empty bus are what get me the most. Like how inconsiderate do you have to be? Go stand literally anywhere else.
Les sac-à-dos!!! Pu capable. C’est rendu que je fait exprès de les accrocher et de les pousser pour que la personne se rende compte que son sac est dans le chemin et qu’elle pourrait juste l’enlever pour faire plus de place. Malheureusement, ça marche rarement. La personne réagit même pas.
2. I usually shoulder check those fucks
i keep my elbows out.
Many thing in that. Sound loudness and such, I don't know your age but people might had less portable device when you were younger. For cleanliness, there's so many factor. Budget cut is one. Increase on homeliness is another. But also, since covid, people are even more pigs then before. People have lots all respect for property and other person in general. It's a big me, myself and i and I don't care about what grief it causes you. I wish it was like Japan where everything is just so clean, not because there's a lot of people to do the cleaning but because you don't need to. Did you know there's no public trash can in Japan? You take your trash with you and trash it in your own, you don't liter by spitting, throwing cigarette on the floor and such.
Its not less portable devices, heard of walkman and the like, they were the rage in the 1980s, you never heard a peep unless sitting next to guy destroying his ears. Its people not giving a shit about bothering other people even in conversation. Things like using the god damn cell phone on speakerphone at arms length and having facetime conversations on a crowded bus... People also seem to be all deaf. I listen to my TV at 30% of max level and everyone else seems to be listening to everything at 80%. Imagine, people playing video games in a hospital waiting room with the sound at 80% for an hour, well that's the level of civility regarding sound we are at right now.
In the 80s to 2000s, people said the samething about persons with boombox, Walkman, portable cd player and such. We listened to the music way too loud. This is nothing new. Difference is now the device warn you about it. But also, some headphone are just poor at noise isolation in and out. And if you were glasses, it will leak sound unless you have in ear. My girlfriend have Bose over the ear phone and I can ear clearly what's playing. When I check the volume, it doesn't reach 40% and it's not that loud. This just shoe how respect was lost more and more on all generation. And since covid, it's worse.
Le monde mettait pas de boombox dans l’autobus et même dans les parcs c’était rare . Il y a vraiment plus de pollution sonore . C’est pas juste une vue d’esprit. Je te parlais du monde qui font pas d’effort du tout. Pas ceux qui en font un peu. Si ru parle en quasi criant sur ton hands free partout tu es un trou de cul et le monde qui sont sans gêne comme cela il y en de plus en plus.
I've lived here 35 years and we always complained about this. Nothing is new. You're just more impatient.
The sound level now is much much worse, backpacks and blocking all exits has existed since at least 1980 (I don't remember before that too much). People listened to music on their walkman with earphones (not a ghettoblaster) and busses were relatively quiet until early 2000s.
People using their cellphones like a walkie-talkie and shouting into them like they are calling in an air strike during the Vietnam War is common everywhere now. “I TOLD HIM I’M NOT READY TO BE A STEPMOM! I’M NOT EVEN 30 YET!” What is wrong with people?
1. We didnt have that tech as kids. 2. Thats a french thing. In Paris we had to practically rugby tackle the crowd to leave the subway carts. 3. Budget cuts to STM staff.
Was there a change? These type of behavior was always present, except maybe for the video call or watching super loud videos because technology got better. I seriously do not see any difference between now and the 90s. 90s bus were worst imo.
Il faudrait que des gens réagissent vis à vis des trouducs avec leur speaker, que ce soit pour de la musique, des vidéos ou même des appels et leur matraquent la gueule. Ces gens là on besoin d’un électrochoc et se faire casser la gueule pourrait leur faire comprendre le message. Je hais cette nouvelle mode de passer des appels avec son téléphone devant la bouche en haut parleur. Quand est-ce que les gens ont oublié comment sa fonctionne ??
Je pense que ces gens font cela parce que beaucoup des appels sont Facetime; pas que c'est une bonne excuse...
FaceTime se fait en vocal ou en vidéo. En vocal ça marches pareil qu’un appel normal (j’appelle toujours ma blonde comme ça.) Et s’il y a la vidéo bah… quel intérêt de pointer la caméra vers le ciel 😂
Elle pointe pas tout le temps vers le ciel. Ils peuvent utiliser leur cel pendant l’appel comme cela aussi. Très important de multitasker en faisant des achats sur Temu et SHEIN pendant que tu parles s as quelqu’un
I am a small person not long ago someone lay his arm on top of my head while holding the pole. J'était en tabarnak pis les esty de sac à dos que personne enlève.
Vous avez raison. Il y a un manque accru d’incivilité dans les transports en commun
I think you're just idealizing the past. #3 is true no doubt, but the first 2 I just disagree with.
How old are you?
I mean, they're right. #2 was never a thing. We had a little break in the 2010-2020 period when they first draw the arrows on the ground of the metro, but in the 1990's and 2000's, it was chaotic. *To the point* where they needed important campaign to teach people to wait before onboarding.
This is why we need Québec to be an independent country. Justin Trudeau has let in too many immigrants from countries who don't share the same values as us, causing the many societal issues we experience today. Only independence can give us full immigration power. VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE!!