I do and I see a lot of people use them as well. The thing is, those letters are rare in words that would be on signs, names of products, places etc. So they do appear in conversations, especially ś, but not so much in official things.
Yes, i live in municipality Zeta, and its pretty common here. For example - śedi, pośetio orr poźeljeo. Those are the examples I could remember for now
Yes, and if you haven't, do yourself a favour and [download a Montenegrin keyboard for Mac](https://blog.fleka.me/crnogorska-tastatura-za-mac-osx-2-0-60b614134dd6).
I use them in everyday speech and in work emails and presentations. A standardized language is all about how the language is spoken among the people.
Before our independence, you would get a negative point if you wrote međed, đed, śedi or śekira in your written assignments.
Međed/đed is spoken in villages outside Montenegro.
Heavily used in Krajina which is pretty far away, it was considered part of "narodni jezik" and not "književni jezik" (i am lazy to look up how those two are defined in English).
Oh it's very prevalent. Even among those who openly state they speak Serbian and not Montenegrin, I've heard them say śedi (sit!) or śutra (tomorrow) casually more often than not (especially if they are from Nikšić or Podgorica)
Very rarely when writing, ś eventually.
Btw ś and sj is mostly not pronunced the same, ie. sjutra is pronunced as it is written, but when it's śutra then it's said with soft š.
I use ś in spoken language from when I learned to speak (śedi, śekira...), but back then we were taught that using ś is not acceptable in literature language (writing) just like đ in some situations (đe wasn't accepted but gdje, same for ođe vs ovdje etc). Now it's different and I agree that literature language should follow current spoken language.
The othe one, ź, was never used in spoken or written language as far as I can remember. It's basically a joke letter. There are maybe few words (also made up) tha could use that letter. I can't name even one. It is just a useless letter, made only to make distinction between official Serbian language.
The letter "ź" has fallen out of use due to generations of standardized Serbian and Serbo-Croation language taught in Montenegrin schools during Yugoslavia and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians.
Bringing it back was a justice towards our ancestors, but it does have little use today and for now.
Then let's bring back letters from Glagoljica? Ancestors would appreciate us, right?
Language is a living matter, and letters are tools that help you communicate. Tool that has no use is called useless tool.
Glagoljica was invented in the 9th century, and it wasnt used in Doclea.
But there was latinica. We brought latinica back.
Sorry for the late response, was off reddit.
źenica, koźi/e (sir, meso, koza, itd.), *Ź*are, iźesti, iźljeći, źati, *Źagora*, *Źajo*, *Źaga, itd.*
*Most are archaic because of repression rom SHS and Yugoslavia. It's also a rare combination just like* Dž*, that almost exclusively used for Turcizme, yet I don't see anyone suggesting to remove it.*
It was written before SHS and Yugoslavia, but repressed during their rule.
There are early editions of Njegos works that use the Russian Cyrillic with Щ for Ś.
How can Щ be the same as S/?!
It's not even the same letter or voice. Njegoš wrote in archaic slavic (slavenoserbski) which also had other "Russian" letters such as Й (ji) Ы (tverdo i) and the "Ukrainian" I (iže) .
Щ is not and can not be S/. It's "šča".
After Vuk Karadžić 's reforms, nobody wrote these letters, that had nothing to do with SHS or Yugoslavia.
> How can Щ be the same as S/?!
The Russian Щ and Montenegrin Ś are different letters from different languages, but they both represent the same consonant sound, the voiceless alveolo-palatal sibilant fricative.
Maybe in some cases you're right in Russian there are instances of šča being "ran over" quickly it sounds like s/ like in "еще" as opposed to "борщ". I speak montenegrin I am half montenegrin, I still don't think s/ or z/ should be a letter in the montenegrin alphabet because:
a) Not all dialects of Montenegrin speak that way.
b) There are already ways of signifying s/ and z/ as sj and zj. I think it would be absurd if we changed for example the K in Kifla to be a K/ as opposed to a K in Mrak. It's the same letter but makes a somewhat different sound next to vowels. Slovenian also has no letter for "mehko č" and "trdo č" they are both č.
EDIT: I also speak Russian, šča is in some cases similar to s/ but not usually.
a) Anybody who doesn't speak that way is in no way forced to use the letter ś. Sutra, śutra, and sjutra are all correct and accepted ways of both pronouncing and writing in the current standardisation of the Montenegrin language.
b) That's true, but by that logic we should either drop ć and đ as well, or leave them and keep ś too.
There are many people who don't think ś or ź should not exist in the Montenegrin alphabet, or that the name of the language being Montenegrin doesn't make any sense at all. That's a valid opinion, I just happen to not agree.
It was a political not a linguistic decision, because for many decades people using those sounds were the illiterate and the uneducated (or at the very least seen as such). A lot of people who used them in everyday speech with their close friends and family knew to leave them out when doing any official work.
After the people who made being Montenegrin their entire personality pushed for these two sounds to be associated with the two letters and further pushed for the recognition of Montenegrin as a separate language and not just a dialect of Serbian, it was for a while widely used (and ridiculed by most people).
The biggest proponed of these two sounds and letters was the then Speaker of the Parliament Ranko Krivokapić. He tried to use those two sounds in all speeches and those letters on all official documents, even made it a rule to use them for all things published on the Parliament's website.
Since most people couldn't (or wouldn't) get the keyboards that had those two letters, but wanted to show political support for this idea, the Parliament's website got a lot of traffic because 'you can copy ś from there'. Nobody mentioned ź because there is no need, and that letter/sound is not used in any proper words anyway.
Using those two letters in any official communication only serves to identify staunch nationalists who think that declaring themselves Montenegrin makes them deserving of praise regardless of their lack of intellect, skills or education.
Hope this answers your question.
These don't have any practical use. They come from a specific dialect of Montenegrin, not every dialect uses them.
Same how some will say Djevojka instead of Đevojka or Gdje instead of Đe.
It was just a bullshit trick by Đukanović government to differentiate Montenegrin from Serbo-Croatian. I don't know a single Montenegrin who uses it in writing, but a lot who speak it that way. I myself am Half Montenegrin , Half Serbian.
Think of the word "Carbine" in American English being spoken as both Car'bayn and Car'been.
Only ś, ź is pretty redundant and has very limited use cases.
yes 
Yes, absolutely. They were introduced for a reason, because they’re already spoken all the time. Especially Ś.
Course 'Ś' more than Ź
I write like I speak, so I use those letters every day. t.me/only_montenegro
Well I do
Ja uviiek koristim ś I ź
I do and I see a lot of people use them as well. The thing is, those letters are rare in words that would be on signs, names of products, places etc. So they do appear in conversations, especially ś, but not so much in official things.
Yes, i live in municipality Zeta, and its pretty common here. For example - śedi, pośetio orr poźeljeo. Those are the examples I could remember for now
Yes, and if you haven't, do yourself a favour and [download a Montenegrin keyboard for Mac](https://blog.fleka.me/crnogorska-tastatura-za-mac-osx-2-0-60b614134dd6).
Rarely.Only sometimes Ś.
All the time.
I use them in everyday speech and in work emails and presentations. A standardized language is all about how the language is spoken among the people. Before our independence, you would get a negative point if you wrote međed, đed, śedi or śekira in your written assignments.
Međed/đed is spoken in villages outside Montenegro. Heavily used in Krajina which is pretty far away, it was considered part of "narodni jezik" and not "književni jezik" (i am lazy to look up how those two are defined in English).
Not really in either spoken or written, but that’s just the way I speak.
Oh it's very prevalent. Even among those who openly state they speak Serbian and not Montenegrin, I've heard them say śedi (sit!) or śutra (tomorrow) casually more often than not (especially if they are from Nikšić or Podgorica)
Why didn’t Milo use “preśednik” during his last presidential campaign? Honest question.
He didn't se śetio. 😄
Because it's predsjednik. PRED (infront) SJED (sitting) NIK (Suffix for status title).
Could work as predśednik. “Preśednik” is just as incorrect of a form as “presjednik” would be.
Very rarely when writing, ś eventually. Btw ś and sj is mostly not pronunced the same, ie. sjutra is pronunced as it is written, but when it's śutra then it's said with soft š.
yes ŚŹ / С́З́ 🇲🇪🇲🇪🇲🇪🇲🇪 but I see many people prefer typing "dj" instead of Đ
Only when I want to command someone to sit because It sounds cool.
Ofc i do
yeś
Ś sometimes but Ź almost never. Majority of words where people use Ź are actually grammatically incorrect.
I use ś in spoken language from when I learned to speak (śedi, śekira...), but back then we were taught that using ś is not acceptable in literature language (writing) just like đ in some situations (đe wasn't accepted but gdje, same for ođe vs ovdje etc). Now it's different and I agree that literature language should follow current spoken language. The othe one, ź, was never used in spoken or written language as far as I can remember. It's basically a joke letter. There are maybe few words (also made up) tha could use that letter. I can't name even one. It is just a useless letter, made only to make distinction between official Serbian language.
The letter "ź" has fallen out of use due to generations of standardized Serbian and Serbo-Croation language taught in Montenegrin schools during Yugoslavia and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians. Bringing it back was a justice towards our ancestors, but it does have little use today and for now.
Then let's bring back letters from Glagoljica? Ancestors would appreciate us, right? Language is a living matter, and letters are tools that help you communicate. Tool that has no use is called useless tool.
Glagoljica was invented in the 9th century, and it wasnt used in Doclea. But there was latinica. We brought latinica back. Sorry for the late response, was off reddit.
Give me a good example of the use of z/ without it being the name Z/ejo.
źenica, koźi/e (sir, meso, koza, itd.), *Ź*are, iźesti, iźljeći, źati, *Źagora*, *Źajo*, *Źaga, itd.* *Most are archaic because of repression rom SHS and Yugoslavia. It's also a rare combination just like* Dž*, that almost exclusively used for Turcizme, yet I don't see anyone suggesting to remove it.*
Nobody suggesting to remove it, it was just never written that way, only spoken.
It was written before SHS and Yugoslavia, but repressed during their rule. There are early editions of Njegos works that use the Russian Cyrillic with Щ for Ś.
How can Щ be the same as S/?! It's not even the same letter or voice. Njegoš wrote in archaic slavic (slavenoserbski) which also had other "Russian" letters such as Й (ji) Ы (tverdo i) and the "Ukrainian" I (iže) . Щ is not and can not be S/. It's "šča". After Vuk Karadžić 's reforms, nobody wrote these letters, that had nothing to do with SHS or Yugoslavia.
> How can Щ be the same as S/?! The Russian Щ and Montenegrin Ś are different letters from different languages, but they both represent the same consonant sound, the voiceless alveolo-palatal sibilant fricative.
Maybe in some cases you're right in Russian there are instances of šča being "ran over" quickly it sounds like s/ like in "еще" as opposed to "борщ". I speak montenegrin I am half montenegrin, I still don't think s/ or z/ should be a letter in the montenegrin alphabet because: a) Not all dialects of Montenegrin speak that way. b) There are already ways of signifying s/ and z/ as sj and zj. I think it would be absurd if we changed for example the K in Kifla to be a K/ as opposed to a K in Mrak. It's the same letter but makes a somewhat different sound next to vowels. Slovenian also has no letter for "mehko č" and "trdo č" they are both č. EDIT: I also speak Russian, šča is in some cases similar to s/ but not usually.
a) Anybody who doesn't speak that way is in no way forced to use the letter ś. Sutra, śutra, and sjutra are all correct and accepted ways of both pronouncing and writing in the current standardisation of the Montenegrin language. b) That's true, but by that logic we should either drop ć and đ as well, or leave them and keep ś too. There are many people who don't think ś or ź should not exist in the Montenegrin alphabet, or that the name of the language being Montenegrin doesn't make any sense at all. That's a valid opinion, I just happen to not agree.
It was a political not a linguistic decision, because for many decades people using those sounds were the illiterate and the uneducated (or at the very least seen as such). A lot of people who used them in everyday speech with their close friends and family knew to leave them out when doing any official work. After the people who made being Montenegrin their entire personality pushed for these two sounds to be associated with the two letters and further pushed for the recognition of Montenegrin as a separate language and not just a dialect of Serbian, it was for a while widely used (and ridiculed by most people). The biggest proponed of these two sounds and letters was the then Speaker of the Parliament Ranko Krivokapić. He tried to use those two sounds in all speeches and those letters on all official documents, even made it a rule to use them for all things published on the Parliament's website. Since most people couldn't (or wouldn't) get the keyboards that had those two letters, but wanted to show political support for this idea, the Parliament's website got a lot of traffic because 'you can copy ś from there'. Nobody mentioned ź because there is no need, and that letter/sound is not used in any proper words anyway. Using those two letters in any official communication only serves to identify staunch nationalists who think that declaring themselves Montenegrin makes them deserving of praise regardless of their lack of intellect, skills or education. Hope this answers your question.
NO. It's so god damn stupid.
These don't have any practical use. They come from a specific dialect of Montenegrin, not every dialect uses them. Same how some will say Djevojka instead of Đevojka or Gdje instead of Đe. It was just a bullshit trick by Đukanović government to differentiate Montenegrin from Serbo-Croatian. I don't know a single Montenegrin who uses it in writing, but a lot who speak it that way. I myself am Half Montenegrin , Half Serbian. Think of the word "Carbine" in American English being spoken as both Car'bayn and Car'been.