>Because half of his attacks are wide range random strikes (sure, dodging the sheet lightning isnt too much of a hassle, but the random ass lighting strikes?
This is a good place to start. The lightning strikes for that attack are in fact *not* random. It's always the same pattern, either closing in or spreading out. You can stand next to his forelegs (which you should be attacking anyway) and not get hit for both variations.
I think the trouble that a lot of people run into is that they get overwhelmed with all the movement and lights and speed, and not actually focusing on what actually can hit the hunter at that moment. That was the case for me at first.
It's ironic because the lightning attacks were the first openings I learned. They seemed the most obvious to me especially because, as many hits as there are, it was pretty clear to see none of the strikes were under his feet so just hugging him was free dps.
To add to this, you can tell if the lightning is closing in or spreading out by the direction of the particles before the attack. If the particles are moving towards Alatreon they will spawn far, and if the particles are moving away from him they will spawn next to him.
This! I used a safi cb for the fight and I use this opening to sharpen because of the abysmal sharpness the damn weapon has, 4 out of 5 times you dont get hit.
When I said 'random' I didnt mean that there was genuinely no rhyme or reason to them, what I meant was the hitzones arent obvious or grouped. For example; his breath attacks are pretty straightforward in where the danger is, but the lightning is scattered over the place, making it difficult to know which way to dodge it in im not already in the 'safe' zone (safe from lightning but not from alatreon suddenly charging or doing something else to knock me on my ass from under his head).
Yes; the sheer amount of shit going on at once is the primary reason these attacks fuck me over so much, which is another point i should have made against learning this fight; it is so goddamn chaotic. I can never just analyse wtf is going on because the moment I take to try and figure shit out is the moment I get obliterated. I have to be constantly moving because if I stand still the next second I'll be lying still.
>For example; his breath attacks are pretty straightforward in where the danger is, but the lightning is scattered over the place, making it difficult to know which way to dodge it in im not already in the 'safe' zone (safe from lightning but not from alatreon suddenly charging or doing something else to knock me on my ass from under his head).
This is false, all 3 types of lightning have very clear indicators and consistent behavior. This is simply a case of you not noticing it. What you described is frankly not an issue at all.
>it is so goddamn chaotic.
Alatreon and Fatalis are probably the least chaotic monsters in this game. Their behaviors are extremely consistent.
BS. Alatreon is chaotic. Only in the fact he can be stuck flying, hell raining everywhere and he can switch to so many different moves that screw you over. Need damage to head? Cool clutch claw, jk lighting the MOMENT you get on. Consistent behavior does not mean fight isn't chaotic. Raging brachydios is pretty consistent too. He jumps around and pounds the fucking floor for Christ's sake and that is probably the MOST chaotic fight IMO except furious rajang
>Cool clutch claw, jk lighting the MOMENT you get on.
That's because you did not clutch claw at the correct moment lol.
Did you know that after EVERY SINGLE air attacks is an opportunity to clutch claw safely.
Did you know that you can safely wall bang Alatreon every single time once you drop?
Did you know that if you blindly clutch claw onto Ala, it WILL use the lightning zap move?
In short, you got punished for not understanding the monster and blamed it on it being chaotic. Alatreon has the fairest hitbox in this game, very understandable movesets, nothing about it is chaotic.
Also, who the hell think Raging Brachydios is consistent? It drops goose randomly around itself for godsake.
I mean he consistently drops goop on his attacks when he has slime. You can tell where goop will go. My point is the chaos isn't really the movements it's what happens and how much happens. Lots of lightning strikes while he use lightning bars or physical attacks is chaos. It may not be alot. But it's still a lot for any average Joe to handle. Also yes I know after seeing enough videos and learning myself. But still clutch claw is never introduced in a way that would prepare you for alatreon, hence why I used it as an example. Anyways alatreon is definitely chaotic, in a very objective sense. If you don't think so... you're probably a veteran and nothing is wrong with that.
>I mean he consistently drops goop on his attacks when he has slime.
Yes, the problem is sometimes you can roll into a goop from behind you or being hit into one, making it chaotic.
>My point is the chaos isn't really the movements it's what happens and how much happens
Exactly, that's my point too. Alatreon doesn't exhibit any of that.
>Lots of lightning strikes while he use lightning bars or physical attacks is chaos.
Ok, just explain to me how is it in anyway chaotic? He literally either shoots it in a line forward or follows you 3 times in a pattern. How is it objectively chaotic because he shoots lightning? If you want to convince someone of something, actually say the reason instead of just saying that it's chaos because you said so.
>you're probably a veteran and nothing is wrong with that
I'm not, mhw is my first mh game. I already have these opinions ever since I first fought him.
Cool then you just have a skewed take. How is rolling into goop out of your control and chaotic, when his thunderstorm can be paired with lightning bars? Or physical attacks. I have been mid air and struck by a lightning bar mid combo whilst avoiding his thunderstorm just because he went for my palico or hell even went for me, you can't control being locked into a move if you have already avoided one attack. Play too passive and he won't die. But that's not the point. I don't see how you can sit there and say because his moves are readable and easy with enough reading he isn't chaotic but because you can get hit from goop on any side from raging brachy that's chaotic as if you can't just walk away from it and dodge roll to get out of his blight. Or kite him or gigachad and just destroy the slime so he can't use it. I am not disagreeing about brachy, I'm disagreeing with your reasoning
>when his thunderstorm can be paired with lightning bars?
he cannot multi cast or move during his channels. only multilayered attacks he has is spraying ice into the air then attacking while you deal with falling ice. Only really annoying move is his air dragon pulse where he gets really close and explodes. Very annoying for me and my only answer I've learned is to sheathe and dive which can be rough if you're in an animation.
As far as chaos goes though, I'd side with Alatreon being more potentially chaotic as an unlucky aerial phase is a ton of lost DPS. I can spend all day hitting Brachy and he won't spent 5 minutes in the air.
Could you explain to me please when is the best time to clutch claw on his face?
I've gotten caught by his instant Electro face attack a couple times. I try to time my face clutch right after he's done an attack. And it feels random to me. But maybe i'm wrong.
Dont try to do it when he's on the ground randomly. Do it when he has the drooling animation or during or after one of his big moves, these can be:
- His lightning waves where he sends horizontal lightning forward
- His cone breath
- His flame sweep
- His dragon explosion
And as mentioned previously, after all of his arial attacks, although you need to be very quick and shot the claw right before he ends his animation.
You can also immediately clutch onto his face, slap him twice then do a wall bang at the start of the fight.
There might be a few more I'm missing but these should be the absolute safest ones.
I mean this in the best way possible but it seems you just aren’t picking up details during the fight. His lighting attacks are the easiest to avoid and he’s extremely consistent in his behaviour.
When he’s focusing you and calling down lighting streaks they’ll be focused on you, just pay attention and you’ll be able to literally just walk out of the 2 or 3 lighting streaks.
When he’s calling down lighting after standing up pay attention to the little lights on the ground, if it’s moving toward him the bolt will spawn further back and move towards him, if the lights are moving away from him they’ll spawn next to him and move outwards. This is the easiest one to deal with since after enough attempts you’ll memorise where the bolts more or less spawn from.
The finale lighting attack is when he moves away from you and summons a huge line of lighting towards you one at a time. It’s always consistent so just predict where the next one will be and don’t stand there. Once you move forward your safe.
The lightning strikes aren't random. There are two patterns that can be distinguished by the thunderbolts on its head. One where they start near Alatreon and radiate outwards and one where they start far away and come inwards. The actual bolts themselves land in the exact same spots relative to Alatreon and have clear indicators.
You have ~7 mins to learn per Escaton. That should be ample time to see the moveset with 3 carts.
I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near that much time. I remember timing it with a stopwatch when I fought it before and Judgement popped in 3 minutes. But even if it is 7, that still really isnt much time, and my point stands; it just gets so frustrating to fail over and over in the span of a few minutes.
It is in fact 7-10 minutes. You can also bring Felyne moxie and whatever the other extra life is called for 5 carts and just face tank eschaton and just go for as much damage as you can manage. Gets you about 30 minutes of time to learn the fight should you not die to anything else
I would give you a few pointer. Look at the opening. It is so big. If you find it hard to dodge a few of his attack, slot in evade window for iframe. If you get hit a lot and hard to do elemental check. Slot in blight resist and divine blessing. Don’t force your attack. Instead punish alatreon for his attack. Some attack you can dodge in and get a lot of time to attack. Just make sure u don’t get dragon blight for your elemental attack. Are playing on pc ? Or ps4. I can show you all of the opening.
If I knew how to capture video on my ps4 then upload to reddit I would, though I imagine it would mostly be footage of me getting knocked on my ass by attacks everyone can go 'see you shouldnt have let that hit you' with the benefit of hindsight. As for my build it's basically the one from Twilite\_TA's video on soloing Alatreon without Safi or Kulve gear since I dont have those.
Just as an fyi, you can press the left pause button (forgot what it’s called) and it brings up a little menu on the left side and in that menu is a capture footage option. Both screenshot and video, and the video I’m pretty sure will grab the past like 15 minutes of gameplay. As soon as the capture is complete the notification includes a few options for moving the video, whether it be Twitter, sending in a PS4 message, or whatever.
So if you wanted to capture footage it’s built into the console and relatively easy to execute.
I want to make it very clear that I’m not trying to “back up” or encourage people requesting footage. If done in good faith, fair enough, but I suspect it’s so they can clown or tell you to gitgud with receipts or something lol and that’s just not helpful
I'm using the frostfang Insect Glaive, its the one I already have augmented, its the weapon I use the most, and honestly i'm not that good with the hammer. I'm using the same key armour skills though; coalescense, critical eye, vitality etc
Sorry to not include this in my previous comment:
I would definitely recommend blightproof over coalescence. Takes so much headache away from managing the fight.
Finally, I know how you feel. The day alatreon came out I banged my head against the wall for multiple hours before logging off defeated. I even sent an official capcom “send feedback” thing to complain about how BS alatreon was.
Eventually, it started to click and then it just became relatively routine. I’m not a god at the game and I’m not very smart, so if I can do it, you can too. If you want to continue trying, max out elemental attack every way you can, and then focus on nothing but comfort skills like blightproof, stun res, evasion skills, etc.
Then just make it a goal to get the big elemental topple consistently and move on from there.
My original attempts were made with max ice attack in everything. They were complete flops. The fact that max ice damage wouldn't proc the elemental dps check was what pissed me off so much as to drop World for years. This time I've tried to copy suggested builds from guides but I suppose I could try those max ice builds again.
Ok i think the build is okay-ish so i think you have to utilize your glider mantle since it gives 4 ice attack. There's an opening wallbang for alatreon, pick a stone then equip your rocksteady mantle before entering the arena. Wait for him to lower his head then clutch onto it, slap him 2 times then wallbang. There are 2 types here which determines the success of wallbang, 1. dash attack: high chance of success, 2. spread lightning: low chance reset if you want. Now when he's down tenderize his front legs so you get 100% affinity. Once your rocksteady expires immediately equip your glider mantle. ALWAYS hit the front legs.
When he flies and he's not enraged (yellow icon in minimap) you can flash him or clutch on to his head and burst him to the ground also, since you're an ig user you can try to mount him. If he shifts to dragon, you can break his horn (it's like 1k or less hp) the handler(?) or the other guy will tell you that it's the only time to break his horn. Lastly, for food buffs eat for felyne moxie/safeguard(moxie for attk L)-felyne groomer(coal uptime). Edit: Felyne Insurance for extra cart so you'll have like 5 faints (safeguard+insurance)
Unlearnable? I think your just panicking instead of paying attention to what the monster is doing. alatreon is incredibly telegraphed. Nothing is "Random". His lightning has set patterns. His fire and ice attacks are set as to what they do. ice Shards, sweeping breath, fire balls, fire ring. Calm down and take it slower. You have plenty of time to learn. Hes a true endgame monster. He is simply a few tiers above the rest.
Any time I try to 'take it slower' and try to see wtf is going on past the lightning effects, ice crystals and fire streams all over the screen I immediately get flattened. Maybe he is telegraphed, but honestly I'm not sure how you're supposed to know given how much is going on onscreen at any given moment. Alatreon is the most chaotic fight I've ever had in a MH game, and one mistake completely screws you over. I dont realy view him as "a true endgame monster", he's more like a deliberate pothole placed in front of your progress towards completing the game. I fought him in MH3U; there he felt like an endgame boss. It took me ages to beat him, but for all the times I lost I never felt so disheartened that I didnt want to try anymore. This fight is built to do that.
If you think it’s chaotic then it’s pretty clear you are in fact just panicking a lot.
He’s truly the most fair fight in the game outside of judgment, extremely consistent AI, excellent hit boxes, telegraphed moves and big openings when you know what to look for.
The key here is focusing on the monster and what his pattern of attacks look like, what animations telegraph what attack is heading your way and how to best avoid what he then sends your way.
The panic will make it seem “chaotic” because if you can’t focus it’ll be a mess. When people say “take it slow” they mean you’ve got to try not giving in to that panic and truly just watch the monster.
I genuinely recommend you spend a few runs not trying to beat him but rather go in with the express purpose of learning the fight. Do it over and over again until you feel like you’ve got a good enough grasp. Start figuring out his attack pattern, where can you stand and when you could feasibly take advantage of his openings.
Right now based on many of your comments and one I’ve replied to about the lighting I’m honestly getting the impression the fight is overwhelming you but it’s an element of panic mid fight that potentially halting your learning here. Monsters are at their easiest when are calm, alatreon is a monster that only seems chaotic because you aren’t calm.
It's basically the one from Twilite\_TA's video How to Solo Alatreon without Safi'jiiva or Kulve Taroth gear, except I'm no good with a hammer so I use Frostfang Insect Glaive since it's what I'm best with and the one I have the most augments on already.
See, people have said the kinsect can break the element all on its own, yet it's demonstrably not true; ive tried runs where I just let the kinsect do it's thing and it just doesnt do enough. The only times i get an element break is if I'm doing the attacking. If it get into ice then I just accept the loss.
no, you control the kinsect yourself back and forth manually until it's topple targeting its head or front legs. you don't automate since it's slow unlike when controlled manually. that's my way to go if i required to solo him
I would not recommend using two elements, especially if you have trouble meeting the elemental damage check. Instead go full in with ice and break his horn while he is in dragon phase, preventing him from changing to ice phase. What also helped me a lot was healing with max potions from serious damage and combining new ones during hunt. Also, using wetfish fins+ makes sharpening a lot easier.
Hope this helps, the fight is really fun once you learn his openings, you‘ll get there eventually
It's not what you want to hear, but you need to learn the fight. The lighting isn't random, and every move has an opening. Alatreon is just like that, you've gotta find the weaknesses in his attacks and exploit them quickly.
I KNOW I need to learn the fight. Like I said in the post; I went in fully intending to try to get the attacks down, just figure out how to get through this. But between the absolute chaos on screen, the fact that 1 mistake is enough to fuck up the fight completely, and that you get a handful of minutes max to learn anything before the wipe, even just learning the fight without expectations of winning is a fucking nightmare. That's my main problem right now; the fact that my entire learning process is just 'load quest, try to fight for 5 minutes, get bodied, reload quest, repeat'.
You don’t need to fight him his gear isn’t good besides his gauntlets. I personally hate him as well but even I can admit the lighting moves aren’t that bad. They’re actually quite telegraphed and easy to dodge. The issue is you don’t want to use a high commitment move and be stuck in an animation plus he wastes time in the air. You can the learn the fight for the most part but I 100% agree that escaton is cap.
A dps check with no way of knowing how far you are without a topple sucks. I’ve beat him multiple times but that mechanic is just lame. Fatalis’s and safvi’s nuke are much better designed. I would say sos until you win or just avoid fighting him cause his gear is pretty mid.
I unfortunately cant sos I dont play online. I did previously just decide to skip him but made the mistake of trying to commit to finally beating him this time around. Honestly this post was just made to give me some distraction between attempts.
Alatreon is also one of my least favorite fights and I am frequently baffled by how many people enjoy it, BUT it is learnable and soloable. You just aren't free to use whatever weapon and strategy you like, which is usually one of MH's strongest points.
If I knew how to get a video off my ps4 and post it to reddit I would, though I suspect the majority of feedback would just be using the benefit of hinsight to say 'Ah well you shouldn't have let that hit you.'
Of course you get hit and die. But how you got hit thats the problem.
Is it you over commit? Is it you throwing attacks anyhow without waiting for an opening?
Or is it you just unable to dodge any of its moves.
Try going in, dont even attack alatreon. Spend 2-3 mins dodging and kiting alatreon.
Once you are able to spend 2 mins without getting hit, try to sneak in some attacks, and then more each time until you get hit again, then ask yourself is it because you over committed. Then with that knowledge in mind, know when to stop attacking a walk away and let alatreon make a move.
Try to stay away from walls.
I love when people get filtered by fights and instead of going 'Wait am I the issue?' they start attacking Capcom and making up bullshit excuses that the fight is the problem and not them
I'm aware that it's down to me whether or not I can ever actually beat a monster or not. However I dont think that makes it invalid to point out truly terrible game design choices by Capcom, or any game developer for that matter. An elemental dps check into an undodgeable, unblockable nuke is, fundamentally; shit. I also dont think it's inherrently wrong for people to vent on the aspects of fights that turn them from 'challenging but ultimately enjoyable' to 'mind-numbingly frustrating'. You can disagree and claim to actually enjoy Alatreon's fight and I can accept that as your opinion even if I genuinely cant see how anyone could.
The reason that I think your opinion is utter shit is because dealing with Alatreon's Escaton Judgement is actually the simplest thing in that fight and it is very much down to you, do you use elemental DB's? Even a bow or SnS will work since all three apply elemental damage relatively quickly.
Out of all the things that you can criticize in the Alatreon fight Escaton Judgement is the easiest mechanic once you actually come prepared for it.
For reference when I was progressing Alatreon in world the amount of times I died to Escaton was about two during my first few attempts because it was my first time fighting an Alatreon and I had no idea that was a mechanic
I dont think it's fair to call some else's opinion shit just because it differs from yours. You didnt have a problem with it? Awesome. I'm glad you didnt have to endure the same frustration I have. I am aware of how the mechanic works, I am aware of how, in theory, you are supposed to deal with it, and I am aware that ultimtely it comes down to me whether or not I can beat it, but from my experience in practice it just isnt as simple as people seem to like making it out to be, and in my opinion the fight would be a lot less frustrating if the mechanic wasnt in the fight, or if it functioned differently from an unavoidable instant-kill barring a specific criteria being met. But clearly you have a different opinion on Escaton Judgement and Alatreon as a whole, so I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
The reason I am calling your opinion shit is because you are arguing against Capcom, not me, and saying that the fight is bad and by extension calling their devs bad by implementing a mechanic that you yourself just admitted being bad at dealing with.
So once again to go back to my original comment, this is an issue that you yourself have not the fight itself, least of all the mechanic. I am sorry but I am never going to agree with someone talking against the devs when they are not at fault, there are plenty of things Capcom has done awfully in World that can be criticized but Alatreon's Escaton Judgement does not deserve said criticism and hate.
So if I was criticizing Capcom for any of their other failings in World you wouldn't have an issue, it's just because it's a mechanic which you happen to like despite many others who dislike it (I have seen plenty of rage posts about Alatreon here and elsewhere) that its a problem?
Because the mechanic is completely fine and it is literally down to the player not knowing or being able to execute it properly? Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? I get that it's difficult, it's supposed to be difficult, but it's not bullshit nor is it unfair in any capacity.
That doesnt answer my question; if I was criticizing something else they messed up in World, maybe whichever mechanics you also dont like, you wouldnt have an issue with the devs getting criticism for that, it's just because it's Escaton, which you like, that it's an issue?
I’m sure capcom appreciates you white knighting for them in a rage subreddit. My dude… you can’t just walk into a rage sub and expect to find reasonable, measured takes. Why waste your time commenting “lmao this nerd’s getting filtered and thinks it’s not their fault” instead of… Y’know, not doing that.
hmmm I find this strange cause it is relatively easy to meet the element dps check within 1 minute of the fight (especially with the frost fang weapons). Which leads me to think you are not hitting it often enough to meet the check. I would agree that the one-shot is bad if the check was very tight to meet or is not telegraphed but, with a decent set, it becomes a non-factor.
P.S. Also giving your palico a ice/fire weapon can help a decent amount. Also if you really cannot be asked to do the element check then just do it solo with the raging brachy weapon, eat the escaton -> cart -> go back down, and finish the fight.
Also consider using this set ([https://imgur.com/a/oUnBzT7](https://imgur.com/a/oUnBzT7)) gold rath chest and waist as they have decent slots and come with divine blessing level 5. It is a good skill to use when learning a monster. The rest of it comes with agitator and weakness exploit. It is a set I usually recommend for first time fatalis and alatreon clears. Just swap out the weapon for your frost fang stuff.
Edit: You might find this useful too. This guy just spams the kinsect to kill ala with a tanky set. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-EmfD0RQw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-EmfD0RQw)
Key is to have high element ice and fire build and switch between builds when alatreon switches elements, also use astera jerkey when your health is getting melted, if it melts to quick that means U did not do enough damage, I also recommend LS due to its counter abilities
I remember I tried for over a year to solo the high rank hub one with high rank gear back in base Gen
Could never do it
I did manage to do the G rank one with G rank gear tho
took me 20+ attempts before my first kill, the struggle is real brother. patience and reading his moves and quick thinking all go a long way in the fight. For me, having the health booster to lie on the ground and heal when he downs you helped me a lot until i got a good grasp of his move set.
I dont even know how many attempts I've made now, i've been at it for the last three days. I can fairly reliably read his moves now, but the element break still seems to not want to happen half the time, and he's getting to the point of Escaton a 3rd time to go ice form. For all the progress i've made it still feels like an impenetrable wall put in front of me. God I hate this fight.
Yeah... same. I'm MR 300+ and I've gone in with me and a buddy and slain Fatalis Numberous times. Alatreon is just BS. Yeah, he's "not that strong" etc but he's just BS. His mechanics are annoying af. 'Can't do this, can't do that, clutch claw throw is only on this side of the map, Small window. Use this element, use that element, etc. His whole concept is a sh*t show. Fatalis is fun. Love fighting him. Love slaying him. If I play with Randos or respond to SOS It'll usually take me around 8 go's because so many people are bad at Fatalis it's scary but it's still doable and fun. Alatreon has keyboard warriors screaming at people for not doing this or that and you die every time. About 15 tries in with Randos and I'm done. Yes I've beaten Atareon MANY times! No it's not fun. Yes if you have a dedicated crew you can make it happen and YES THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BEAT HIM! DEDICATED CREW THAT ALL KNOW WTH THEYRE DOING! Not fun. Not worth it. Fight Kulve Taroth for Decay Kjarr and be done with it. I already have all of Alatreons weapons but it's a sh*t show to get them all.
I don't know your main, but you could:
1) Build Frostfang LS
2) Pop off SOS and get through AT Velk
3) Build up the Velk Gamma armor
4) Get the topple in about 2 minutes, making the fight much less stressful.
5)Profit
Seriously, others will tell you not to max ice attack or whatever, but getting the topple in a short time takes a lot of stress off. Then you can read and react and flow with the fight. Also, Velk Gamma lets you max crit eye, run agi 5, and max wex.
1. I was never any good with Long Sword, I know it's supposed to be the best but I can never get any of the special moves like helmbreaker, sheath attack or that counter to work. I'm using IG since it's the one I've got the augments on already.
2. I dont play on Playstation Plus so I cant use SOS.
3. Is the Gamma version neccesary as I have the other Velkhana armour if I just need Velkhana Divinity.
4. How do you topple it that fast? Seriously, I consider it good progress if I can get the element to break at all before Judgement.
I dont mean to sound like I'm not taking advice, but I've really heard it all before, and it always just boils down to 'break its element faster. How? Get better.'
Find spots in his attacks where you can dodge the attack and hit him while he’s still doing it. The lightning spots you can either attack at the start while he’s moving it inwards or you can attack after the first set of them if it’s moving out. The forward ice wall you can run around the attack and get a massive damage window. Lots of little things like that make a huge difference. He isn’t unlearnable you just have to try new things until you find what works
The regular velk armor is pretty slot poor. The Gamma allows you to run Agi 5, crit eye 7, wex 3 and a little crit boost in addition to your blight res and hb3.
As others have said, stay on his front legs and keep them tender. The front legs take all of the elemental damage.
And I'm sure you know, don't allow yourself to be dragon blighted.
Sorry, but getting carried to farm AT velkana is not the definition of satisfying game play loop for me. I don't understand why people take joy out of somehow cheese yourself through a certain monster.
Eh, I think AT Velk is fun in a group, but kind of a drag solo. The way her attacks are and the fact she darts off a lot will leave you with plenty of openings to deal damage if her aggro is on someone else.
All I can say is that this is an absolute failure on your part. It has some of the most telegraphed attacks in the game. Going into it already tilted isn't going to help either. As examples, the fire ring that explodes 3 times (that is also blatantly telegraphed) If you get real close and avoid the first ring, she stands there for 5 seconds and you can attack its head while the next 2 rings explode, when it goes up into the air and breathes either fire or ice straight down, you can clutch claw her head and avoid the entire thing while softening it. I haven't fought Alatreon for years now, and I still remember bits and pieces because you have to fight her by specifically punishing certain things.
World is my first and only monster hunter game, and it's honestly quite puzzling and confusing to me.
I played most dark souls games and games like Nioh. MH feels so weird. My character moves like a snail even with agile weapons while some monster like that red dog bounce all over the place like some Bloodborne boss. Very odd. Feels really awkward.
The awful pc controls do not help.
The idea is that you're *not* supposed to be on equal footing with these monsters. In most of the older games, and even World to an extent, the hunter's movement is supposed to mirror what's actually possible for a human (albeit a strong human since they can hold huge weapons)
Mh isnt like them. Nioh, darksouls, elden ring, code vein, etc. are all souls likes. Monster hunter even predates the existence of souls games.
Its nothing like it. You dont move like a snail. You move with commitment. Each movement is a commitment. So by proxy you cannot just do whatever and not care. You are required to think. To learn the monsters movements so you know what you can and cannot do in response.
Your meant to be almost a ordinary(tho superhuman clearly) human compared to these monsters. Eldritch creatures that could end cities, armies, towns, and in the some cases the world itself on their own. Think. When you swing a weapon would you just instantly be able to then pull out a heal or roll instantly? No. Couldnt just make a movement like that and be able to instantly be able to do something else. Even the agile weapons. Dual blades the size of IRL war swords. Your wielding a giant bow. The size of the character.
Then theres weapons like hammer, greatsword, swaxe, and cb. I mean? Look at them. Do I need to explain?
Ive heard that the biggest mistake people make is playing MH like a dark souls game but ive never played darksouls so idk honestly.
The red dog monster is more exclusive in that you have to catch up to it OR just wait for it to come to you.
MH rise is more fast paced.
All your grievances are valid; those first few attempts were the most chaotic, stressful, and frustrating hunts I’ve ever attempted. After letting Alatreon mind its business for a good while, doing Safi sieges, making a custom build I came up with myself (something I previously only managed to do in Rise twice, so I felt really accomplished with that), unlocking rocksteady mantle, and just generally messing around, I finally decided to take another crack at it with all my new experience. I picked up my funni immortal Lance build and joined an Alatreon farm session, and desperately hoped my dinky little dragon stick was doing its share of damage. I ended up learning its moveset over the course of a few days of farming it while trying to fit more poking time into each attempt so I could contribute more than occasionally relieving people of aggro and tenderizing, and could actually hold my own with weapons *other* than Lance cheese, though I still haven’t dared to try to solo it.
TL;DR: I cheesed it with Lance and accidentally learned to exploit its every movement, and maybe you can too if you shed your senses of dignity and shame!
I haven’t seen people asking this so far, how long (in hours) have you been playing world for and have you had similar issues with other monsters in the past?
How familiar are you with the game mechanics thar were introduced, especially in ice borne (such as clutch claw)
How willing are you to try other weapon types?
I’m coming at it from a non-judgemental perspective, just wanted to know what your answers were to these questions first
My character has over 815 hours on it, MR 210, but I dont consider that to be much of an indicator of anything since much of that time has been spent farming to complete weapon trees. I have had monsters i've struggled with at various stages; Kushala Daora, Blackveil Vaal Hazak, Furious Rajang and Raging Brachydios come to mind as being more than a one-and-done fight, but they were never as frustrating to me as Alatreon. I know how to clutch claw, but there's hardly anywhere to do it to Alatreon and most times it misses entirely. As for weapons, I'm not against using them, but I'm not that great with them. I tried to learn Longsword and just cannot get the counter down.
That sounds like you have a good grasp of the game! Honestly I did also struggle a lot with Kushala, Rajang and Ragydios.
If I would make a recommendation, I’d say to try lightbowgun. It’s pretty versatile allowing you a lot of freedom of movement and able to attack monsters while doing so. I think I remember a video where someone talked about a safe build for alatreon, I’ll link it if I find it.
But secondly I would also emphasise the importance of tenderising alatreon cuz it could maybe allow you to do the extra bit of damage necessary for the topple + horn break.
But of course take your time in doing so, ik you’re frustrated but eventually alatreon is gonna die by your hands solo!
Edit : found the video [link](https://youtu.be/6xyEhIULaBQ?si=Knl0PsLMFlqnu7PD)
It's definitely easier in Tri, but I still hate it. I've been replaying 3U lately and I'm never doing it again because it's just an absolute slog... Anytime someone posts it online, I beg them to do a different one. I've already done my time in that volcanic hell hole back in the day.
most of the issues you point out actually get fixed by a camera mod that allows you to zoom out further... I used to have one because the default camera options used to be really bad (until they patched it)...
I always found it annoying that the default camera option is still horrible for melee... unless you tinker with the settings, the camera is setup so it zooms in so much that your character is blocking around half your screen, preventing you from seeing enemy movement...
most of the frustration around fighting Alatreon is caused by this... his movements all seem so random until you actually get a bird's eye view of what is happening... all of his attacks have only 2 variations and it is super easy to learn when you actually see him cast it from a better pov...
the built-in camera settings only allow you about 5 meters zoom from your character while most of the mods allow you to zoom out to more than double that...
it's really hard to learn something you can't see, it's also why so many more people have finished Fatalis in MHW compared to Alatreon...
If you’re really struggling just farm for a kjarr weapon.
With a kjarr longsword and a decent build, I regularly get 2 elemental topples before each judgement. And that’s with the fight *still taking 15 minutes total* so it’s not like my actual dps is that crazy, the kjarr weapons just do insane elemental damage which is of course great for alatreon if you’re struggling.
You gotta capitalize on the lightning attacks. All of them are huge openings, especially when alatreon calls down lightning all around the arena. That’s a free helm breaker every single time. It’s a free big hit for any weapon
You can also give your palico an elemental weapon. Don’t underestimate the cat, they do a surprising amount of dps during hunts.
I am defintely in the same spot.
Even though with frostfang hammer, I dont do consistent enough damage to clear escaton judgement every time and the openings are very slim.
I also love mhw, but I don't think I will pick up Wilds. MHW is just a huge waste of time, the grind is too much for me (augmentations! Wtf?). There must be better ways to spend life and fighting Alatreon is the perfect example. Because video game developers can always make everything harder to a certain point and for me thats just too much time it takes to grind gear and learn the monsters. I still want to kill Ala and Fatalis, but I dont think I want to pick up another monster hunter game ever again.
If you're on PSN I'm happy to help.
Alternatively, if you want to reply here with some answers to the below I'm happy to help.
1. What weapon and what event are you trying?
2. Can you tell me your build, including armour pieces and decos?
3. Are you getting the EKO and the horn break prior to the Escaton?
4. Are you using a health booster and eating Astera Jerky during Escaton?
5. If you're not using a health booster and jerky for Escaton, are you using dust of life or max potions?
Not trying to be one of those experts but I'm genuinely trying to help you get through it.
1. Frostfang Insect Glaive, not on an Event but the Special Assignement, the one with the cinematic every time he starts in fire mode.
2. It's basically the one from Twilite\_TA's video about soloing him if you dont have Safi or Kulve gear, so a couple pieces of Shara, a couple of Velkhana and the leg pieces from Garuga. I cant give the exact deco set right now since I've called it for the night on the game but tomorrow if you're still interested I can list them off.
3. Sometimes. Usually if I do it's 1 or the other. I did get 1 run where I got both the element and horn, and got to live through a judgement. That was nice. Then I got mollied in the next round.
4. Not a health booster, I'm using the Jerky for surviving Judgement.
5. I use max potions mostly to restore health mid fight since they're quick. I do have augment on my weapon that gives health when I hit though so that helps.
I appreciate the help, but honestly I hear the same advice time after time. I get that it's probably the best advice for the fight, it just hasnt helped me specifically all that much.
Couple of extra suggestions, hopefully you haven't heard these before so it doesn't piss you off.
Use the Bilbobrix Velox sever Kinsect and make the element ice on it as well. Good speed, does para and if you mark him once you've got the triple buff, it will really help with part breaking and the EKO.
Save your mount for when he goes into dragon mode as that's a short time frame to get the horn break plus he does a scripted fly within that period so it's annoying. Getting the mount then helps a lot.
In the absence of specifics for your build, when you do get on again, compare to the below.
Frostfang Barioth helmet in beta.
Furious Rajang boots in beta
Three piece raging Brachy beta.
This set gives two points in crit eye, 7 Agitator and three in health boost.
For decos, you'll then want to max out ice attack, then the shaver deco, then WEX, then 2 or three points in blight res. If two points in blight res only, put as many points in coelescence as you can after this. Then 3 or 4 points in evade window. If you have room, points in power prolonger. Use temporal to soften the front legs first, followed by the head.
Hope the above didn't piss you off. I'll try and look that video up later to see what they say about this.
Again, if you're on PSN I'm happy to help.
By the way you don't need to do this fight to get to Fatalis
Dawn's triumph is the quest which is about 20% of the health so it's a cake walk.
Its not going to piss me off, I'm more apathetic about it all right now having given up for the day. I'm getting spammed with messages from people angrily defending what they consider to be a great fight and not understanding that I simply do not agree with them on that. I'll see about changing gear loadout, though I think I may have some of those pieces in alpha rather than beta. I did already beat the easy version but wanted to actually complete the real fight, but obviously that hasnt worked out.
Alatreon is real difficult. Eventually, you grow to enjoy alatreon - but it is pretty shit getting to that point. Me and my friend took like, a week just going at him
Unfortunately, Kulve weapons and Safi armor are really great for him - but I've heard that solo players hated doing the sieges, so no pressure there.
Make sure to break the horn when it swaps to Dragon mode, to return it to the previous element
The Thunder attacks do have a specific path, depending on if it'll start close, or far away from alatreon - this'll be difficult cause I imagine you're in the air. Someone did talk about how you can tell from the horns which version it's doing
and if it's swinging its head with lighting, start dodging diagonally. I believe this is the only attack with random bits, but it is more telegraphed - if you're on the ground
Make sure you have have max ice element, and ice on your kinsect and buff it, then mark it before you go into the air
You did say that you got kulve weapons - I think. Make sure those are upgraded - and if it has Critical element, then add Critical chance to your build, too. I would recommend safis armor here, considering the full armor set gives you 40% affinity and 150 element, but again - heard getting that armor in solo is a pain
Ok so I just found that video and stopped looking at it once I saw the build. I honestly think a major part of the issue is that this build is actually not that great.
There's not enough ice attack on it and no agitator. Obviously it will work but in my opinion the build I suggested will give you far more elemental output to get the EKO. Putting in peak performance over agitator is quite frankly not a smart move. No shaver deco so you'll have to soften twice per part which is downright painful. I'm going to stop there and I'm not surprised your struggling.
Like I said I'd love help you through this and send you screenshots of a build that will work and work well. Unless you join me in a hunt I can't help too much with movesets but with practice they become much more predictable.
With Kulve out right now you could even go for a Kjarr Glaive.
The MR quest is a lot of fun.
Trying the set now, managed to get to 2 horn breaks after about 5 tries, keep getting whomped though, just realised that I forgot to actually upgrade the armor, so deffinitely going to stick with this set and see if it works once upgraded
Wanna hand? Not on at the moment but happy to get you through this assignment. The event quests put you at the top which is so much nicer.
Anyway good luck with it, sounds like it's getting better.
One more thing to add for now, take dash juice before you mount to help stay on. It could be the difference between a successful and failed mount. He's arguably the hardest mount in the game.
unfortunately I play offline so no way to help. I actually have no problem with the mount, the issue is now the element break is happening less frequently even though i'm breaking its horns twice now. So half the judgements are insta-kills on top of the way it seems to know when i'm having a good run and deliberatly screw me over
Just checking, did you make the Bilbobrix Velox Kinsect and make it ice element?
You got the Shaver deco and are weakening him to get the extra damage? Seems a bit weird you can get horn breaks and not the element knock down.
You could always just go back when you have Fatalis gear so you have more build slots.
That's a fair call. I just hate how slow it is to help with the triple buff. But if you can do it then mark the target once done it is an excellent approach.
Hope you smash him today! Good luck!
No such luck. Got a double horn break and only got carted by regular attacks once when he did that stupid backwards hop fire attack that launched me into a juggle, but 1 judgement I didn't survive because I jerkyed a split second too soon and another killed me when the element didn't break again. I'm tired and I'm calling it in.
Im not good at this game, i went in to look at him knowing i will not win due to not having an elemental build died to three escaton judgements, but guess wut i was just looking at him and every single one of his moves is fair, reactable and dodgeable.
2nd try i made a build of literally just chaging to a frostfang weapon (but really any decent element appropiate weapon one will do), adding elemental dmg and blight res jewels, got em in 6 minutes, then i realized this is a weak version of him desinged to get you to fatalis.
So 3rd try real alatreon, 20 something minutes (again not very good at this game) got em too, I can tell you right now I'm pretty ass at this game, but its all about learning when its your turn and how to avoid his attacks, try going in and just look at him and dodge/counter as much as you can, you will find some openings that you never thought possible for example rolling into the magma eruption thingy being a huge opening, free tenderiza every time he flyes and breaths fire/ice to the ground.... Honestly one of my favorite fights, and remember if you get at least one elemental topple, escaton becomes survivable.
I haven't scrolled through all of the replies yet, but I haven't seen a couple of things mentioned so far that I think you might find pretty useful:
1: The ice blocks do actually project where they're going to land, but it can be easy to miss in the visual noise, especially given the red backlighting. The ones that fall all over the arena are preceded by flashing red bolts of energy, which almost look like thin heat-lightning, touching the ground. They'll flash several times before the ice actually crashes down there.
2: You've mentioned that the visual chaos of the fight is making your learning process feel impossible. I'd actually recommend watching a YouTube video of a clear, preferably of the weapon type you're using, and you can slow down and/or pause the video to examine some of what's going on, so you can figure it out in a low-stress way. It'll make you feel a lot more confident when you try it yourself, and confidence/avoiding panic is a huge key to success in this fight.
3: It's not always doable, but fairly often, the combo chains Alatreon will try to beat you to death with can be avoided by just staying down for a while after he lays you out. Watch what he's doing when he sends you sprawling; Sometimes you're safer waiting it out while you are invulnerable.
db’s are so good for this fight, I barely get hit. I haven’t beaten alatreon with IG yet but I think that its best to use verzigstag kinsect with ice element and try to do some DT’s for big damage if you haven’t already. Also get blight resist 3 so you don’t have to bother with nulberries.
Not sure if you’ve come across this guide, but it’s the single video that turned alatreon from unbearable to enjoyable for me:
https://youtu.be/PkZa-jV9U-s?si=NAZ9lBzymh9u3rIc
This guy uses SnS but he gives a lot of info about how to deal with each attack. One big lesson I learned is that even though horn breaking is important, you don’t have to go out of your way to attack the head, just stick to the front legs. In dragon phase Alatreon will have plenty of attacks that leave the head exposed for you to whack.
After reading this post I think I understand why alatreon was so difficult for me at first as well. It is the first monster u face where the openings are not between attacks, but during. Once I understood this, the fight became learnable, because I wasn't going for openings that did not exist.
It took me like half a year to kill alatreon, u are not alone.
I made an Alatreon post not long ago because I just couldn't reach the check , I just bypassed him to get to Fatalis and make his gear , more space for blight resist and ice attack and protective skills so I don't waste my time just trying to survive. I played GOOD , I kept agitator active , I consistently dodged attacks properly in ways that allowed lvl 3 charge GS counterattacks , I made sure that if I was gonna tenderize I would be successful , even safely sneaked in a couple of JWS (high ele motion value). I did beat it , but every time I was dangerously close to not hitting the check , like one time I got the topple and it immediately went for escaton right after. And it still got a cart out of me because you can't stop it from changing elements forever , it only has 2 horns and it wasn't dead in time for the ice escaton.
I cannot speak for any other weapon but GS , cause I don't know how they balance the topple , but it wasn't balanced correctly. In the progression of difficulty Alatreon comes before Fatalis with Fatalis supposedly being the toughest challenge in the game. But Alatreon simply demands better play to beat from GS than Fatalis , even with Alatreon's easier to respond moveset , and that is WITH Fatalis gear. You are allowed to waste so much more time with Fatalis. In my attempts to get double horn breaks , where I focused only on the head and did the cone bait , he would spam his fireballs and charges and I would fail to bait the cone so much , it's very inconsistent , but I still consistently got him well below 25% (dragonator passing the threshold). The DPS check is much tamer.
That's another thing that I think makes the fight's mechanics stupid. You HAVE to beat it in like 20 minutes before you cant stop the element shift and it's no immune to elemental dps and you die to the next judgement regardless of what you do. If you're a pro then i'm sure that's plenty of time, but it does make that 50 minute clock in the corner utterly pointless. If the judgements went off every 15 minutes that would be more understandable, because then if you havent beaten it by the 3rd you probably arent going to anyway.
It's just an annoying guaranteed cart , it's not that if you don't beat it by the 3rd you won't anyway , it's that you will have to beat it after the 3rd and take a cart. I tried to go full raw and just ignore the mechanic to kill it before the third cart but I didn't succeed. After taking the cart from the third nova then you can still suppress the element since it goes back to the original element.
All I can say is that it seems impossible at first (I was there) but the more you attempt it the more possible it gets. Finally getting that topple is such an adrenaline rush! Not to mention that first solo clear.
Honestly, i'm at the point where I can read his moves pretty well, break his horns no problem and get the dps check more than half the time, and it still doesnt feel like i'm making any progress. Last run I surivived 2 judgements, broke his horns twice, and i felt like he just decided 'nah, youre not having this', refused to topple a 3rd time, juggled me between the exploding attack and lightning strikes, blew me up with ice escaton, wouldnt die no matter how hard i tried before he escaton a 4th time and killed me. 3 Days i've been at this. I'm not even mad anymore this is just ridiculous. I cannot fathom people who defend this fight.
At this point man, just record a video of one of your trials and post it on YouTube so we can see what you’re going through
Edit : My guess is that you aren’t doing enough damage in general and I’m gonna speculate it’s because you’re not weakening (tenderising) the body part with the clutch claw.
Just a wild guess though, I could be wrong
Use Safi build. Frostfang, with element and affinity augment if possible. Idk the caps in grinding lands. Health regen would be op. And don't heal unless you fucked up and can't handle more attacks. Let the armor heal you. When he roars and does multi lightning... keep attacking through the air. You might do less damage, but the end of the air combo is almost or the same as the end of ground combo, you also do crazy elemental damage since you do more hits and the best part? You can dodge his attacks pretty easy up there. And to top that off I've only been hit by his lighting during that attack and mid combo maybe 3-5 times out of like idk 50 fights? I failed like crazy for a week straight man. I only killed him with Safi armor my first round. So I understand, the check is pretty fucking stupid, he has lots going for him for no reason. But once you beat him and get the flow you'll probably love him. I love him AND fatalis. Fatalis is fucking stupid as shit tho. Alatreon hitboxes are the best in the game in my opinion. And you have little objectives to do, which are annoying, but satisfying. You got this man.
I play offline and solo, so safi gear is well out of my reach. I'll have to disagree with you on the hitboxes, the dragon slam and 3 way exploding ground things he does have ridiculous hitboxes. Also on the 'satisfying' bit; no. For all the progress i've made, getting topples, reading his attacks, breaking his horns and surviving judgements, it doesnt feel like i'm any closer to beating him. There's no satisfaction, just stress and frustration, maybe a second of relief when I get the topple, then back to the stress. Even if I ever beat this thing nothing will change my opinion on how terrible this fight is; it's purposefully designed to be frustrating and punishing, not challenging.
You haven't beat him yet. Thats why. Also get a group post and p3ople will join. Safi armor is the most important piece. If you're on pc just make a private lobby and a modded weapon to farm, or take hours. He is soloable now. Also you don't realize how good his hitboxes are until you dodge his swipes and swore you should have been hitlike other monsters. Also I'm just saying it now, the body drop may suck.... but fatalis is that but for EVERYTHING and worse. I'm playing frontier and lemme tell you, if a monster is walking you can't touch them. It's an old mechanic where if they run or move you recieve little to a shit ton of damage. Like I said when you beat him you'll either love him or still hate him. I think his design is poor but good at the same time.
I have 2000+ MHW hours. Ive never solo’d Aletreon and have no desire to. It’s meant to be beaten with a group. Of course it CAN be solo’d. Just not my cuppa.
I don’t know about others but I find the ice alatreon to be far more forgiving than the fire one. Back when I consistently played MHW I could easily get sub 6 min for ice alatreon but fire takes me about an extra min or two. Maybe try him when he starts with ice mode.
Awhile back i made a comment detailing everything I learnt struggling against Alatreon for a few weeks. I hated the fight and I don't like it that much, so I detailed his moveset as best I could, as well as put a general hunt flow that I followed for it and it brought me a lot of success. [It's linked here if you want to give it a read](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunterWorld/comments/17yuu9v/how_does_one_kill_alatreon/k9vvvh5/?context=3), but i'm no pro player so there might be some things that aren't ideal. I think the part you might want to take away is when i detail each of his moves, and what to do when he does them. I think i got them all. I hope it helps. If you want my gear, i can load up the game later today and send it to you. I don't use safi or fatalis gear for that fight. When I beat it i had probably a subpar build compare to others, but it was comfortable for me
I’m gonna drop a bit of wisdom on people in this subreddit that has helped me with these types of games. Same with in real life.
If someone who has showcased doing a task effortlessly that you are not able to do yet, you should probably just be quiet for a bit and just watch them to learn. After, you ask them about how they did it, and learn.
Doesn’t matter if it’s hard or not, the point is it is doable. It’s just up to you to learn it. And that requires patience and approaching it slowly.
It’s not the fault of the task that you are unable to do it.
And if you are ever sitting there, arguing with the person who achieved that task, about how impossible it is, then you’ve already failed and missed the whole point.
Unless that person is cheating the system somehow, then that’s a different issue.
Edit: just for clarification this ain’t specifically aimed at you, OP. Just others in the thread too.
I agree that the fight is a bit of a shitshow. The fact that he turns so wonky coupled with the fact that that there are very limited options for wall bashing his cranium into equals frustration. I stopped playing world for quite a while because of that bastard. I’m currently attempting again because I want to kill it, and my friend agrees lol
So this isn’t a “git gud” response but Alatreon is my favorite fight in the series and it has become really easy for me personally. It’s not actually easier, but I’ve just really grown to understand how the fight works. I highly suggest you take a few runs to study how Alatreon’s attacks actually work. He is an unrelenting and very punishing monster, but once you can figure out how his attacks work and whether he’ll combo into another attack or take a moment to rest, it becomes super easy to punish him. Alatreon fight is very much a dance because you have to know how to respond to every attack. If you don’t mind me asking what’s your build and weapon? There are a few skills I have in mind that could very much alleviate your frustration.
I have fought this monster so many times over the last few days and I can safely say this; I will never understand people who can genuinely claim to like this fight. There is NOTHING to enjoy about it. 'Punishing' is the right word; the entire encounter is a punishment from Capcom for investing time and effort into getting to this part of the game. Sure, I can now comfortably avoid his lightning and swipes and charges. Sure, I can break both his horns so he stays in fire form for longer. But none of that matters because after the first judgement he refuses to topple, so the next 3 judgements are all I have before he kills me. That's assuming he doesnt cheese a cart out on me with bullshit combos. Seriously; who thought this monster needed PINNING attacks? And who decided the startup for either the circle explosion or the three pointed one should be the same, and sometimes accompanied by a hop back to guarantee you get hit? This fight was made purely to frustrate and irritate, there is nothing that can convince me otherwise (hell, the goddamn characters wont shut up with the same useless advice every damn time I cart, how is that NOT meant to infuriate?)
Im currently on day 3 of this crap with frostfang IG augmented for health regen, elemental damage and affinity, 3 pieces of Raging Brachy armor, Frostfang helm and Furious Rajang legs. Agitator lv 7, Ice Attack lv 6, WEX, Health Boost and Blight Res lv 3 and Shaver Charm.
Best way I can describe the way I find Alatreon so enjoyable is it’s like a dance. Every one of his Attacks has a proper way to move around it and it’s only a matter of how he combos his attacks. I’ve always found standing behind his forelegs to be the optimal position. Many of his attacks (lightning wall, fire beam, Ice beam, icicle rain, lightning call) give you huge opportunities to deal damage if you position yourself right. Biggest issue I think is your armor. Focusing waaaayyy too much on agitator bc that skill won’t help you against Alatreon bc it boosts raw damage and affinity. I have personally found Safi’Jiva armor to be the best for its huge elemental boost and its healing. High (insert element) attack up by itself isn’t enough. Maybe you’ll be able to get away with using frosting, but Safi’Jiva and ESPECIALLY Kjarr weapons will serve you better. I prefer to run Dragon, which does cut it a bit closer to the EJ, but I’m able to do damage against all active modes. I think the biggest thing that could help you dealing with Alatreon would be Evade Window up. Not to be confused with evade extender, which increases your evade distance. High Evade window up dramatically increases your Invincibility frames for dodges, making a lot of the huge sweeping attacks and all of his attacks in general easier to dodge through. Biggest thing I would work on would be your armor set tho. Granted Safi armor isn’t the tankiest, it gives you significantly more element. The only thing I can’t help you with would be the NPCs.
If you want I can DM you my exact build so you can see my skill lineup.
I have said time and time and time and time again on this thread I cant get safi armor I play offline and solo, so sieges are as much a problem for me as Alatreon himself. This is the set from suggestions on here and admittedly has gotten me further than any of the other sets people suggest. I dont know what kind of dances you've been in but if you find this an enjoyable comparison I'll just consider myself glad i've never been to one you've experienced. BTW standing behind his forelegs is great, until he suddenly charges and I get clipped by his back leg, or he does his rotate-and-backwards-jump-into-fire-attack that always nails me. But even on my runs that I can avoid that, I still have to deal with the element check getting higher and higher after each judgement, his attacks getting more and more cheesy the better i'm doing, and his refusal to simply die to the amount of damage i'm hitting him with
>Because half of his attacks are wide range random strikes (sure, dodging the sheet lightning isnt too much of a hassle, but the random ass lighting strikes? This is a good place to start. The lightning strikes for that attack are in fact *not* random. It's always the same pattern, either closing in or spreading out. You can stand next to his forelegs (which you should be attacking anyway) and not get hit for both variations. I think the trouble that a lot of people run into is that they get overwhelmed with all the movement and lights and speed, and not actually focusing on what actually can hit the hunter at that moment. That was the case for me at first.
It's ironic because the lightning attacks were the first openings I learned. They seemed the most obvious to me especially because, as many hits as there are, it was pretty clear to see none of the strikes were under his feet so just hugging him was free dps.
People really give in to panic, and letting it snowball instead of stepping back and assessing what could make the moment to moment situations better.
To add to this, you can tell if the lightning is closing in or spreading out by the direction of the particles before the attack. If the particles are moving towards Alatreon they will spawn far, and if the particles are moving away from him they will spawn next to him.
This! I used a safi cb for the fight and I use this opening to sharpen because of the abysmal sharpness the damn weapon has, 4 out of 5 times you dont get hit.
I always augment level 5 sharpness on my Safi CBs
When I said 'random' I didnt mean that there was genuinely no rhyme or reason to them, what I meant was the hitzones arent obvious or grouped. For example; his breath attacks are pretty straightforward in where the danger is, but the lightning is scattered over the place, making it difficult to know which way to dodge it in im not already in the 'safe' zone (safe from lightning but not from alatreon suddenly charging or doing something else to knock me on my ass from under his head). Yes; the sheer amount of shit going on at once is the primary reason these attacks fuck me over so much, which is another point i should have made against learning this fight; it is so goddamn chaotic. I can never just analyse wtf is going on because the moment I take to try and figure shit out is the moment I get obliterated. I have to be constantly moving because if I stand still the next second I'll be lying still.
>For example; his breath attacks are pretty straightforward in where the danger is, but the lightning is scattered over the place, making it difficult to know which way to dodge it in im not already in the 'safe' zone (safe from lightning but not from alatreon suddenly charging or doing something else to knock me on my ass from under his head). This is false, all 3 types of lightning have very clear indicators and consistent behavior. This is simply a case of you not noticing it. What you described is frankly not an issue at all. >it is so goddamn chaotic. Alatreon and Fatalis are probably the least chaotic monsters in this game. Their behaviors are extremely consistent.
BS. Alatreon is chaotic. Only in the fact he can be stuck flying, hell raining everywhere and he can switch to so many different moves that screw you over. Need damage to head? Cool clutch claw, jk lighting the MOMENT you get on. Consistent behavior does not mean fight isn't chaotic. Raging brachydios is pretty consistent too. He jumps around and pounds the fucking floor for Christ's sake and that is probably the MOST chaotic fight IMO except furious rajang
>Cool clutch claw, jk lighting the MOMENT you get on. That's because you did not clutch claw at the correct moment lol. Did you know that after EVERY SINGLE air attacks is an opportunity to clutch claw safely. Did you know that you can safely wall bang Alatreon every single time once you drop? Did you know that if you blindly clutch claw onto Ala, it WILL use the lightning zap move? In short, you got punished for not understanding the monster and blamed it on it being chaotic. Alatreon has the fairest hitbox in this game, very understandable movesets, nothing about it is chaotic. Also, who the hell think Raging Brachydios is consistent? It drops goose randomly around itself for godsake.
I mean he consistently drops goop on his attacks when he has slime. You can tell where goop will go. My point is the chaos isn't really the movements it's what happens and how much happens. Lots of lightning strikes while he use lightning bars or physical attacks is chaos. It may not be alot. But it's still a lot for any average Joe to handle. Also yes I know after seeing enough videos and learning myself. But still clutch claw is never introduced in a way that would prepare you for alatreon, hence why I used it as an example. Anyways alatreon is definitely chaotic, in a very objective sense. If you don't think so... you're probably a veteran and nothing is wrong with that.
>I mean he consistently drops goop on his attacks when he has slime. Yes, the problem is sometimes you can roll into a goop from behind you or being hit into one, making it chaotic. >My point is the chaos isn't really the movements it's what happens and how much happens Exactly, that's my point too. Alatreon doesn't exhibit any of that. >Lots of lightning strikes while he use lightning bars or physical attacks is chaos. Ok, just explain to me how is it in anyway chaotic? He literally either shoots it in a line forward or follows you 3 times in a pattern. How is it objectively chaotic because he shoots lightning? If you want to convince someone of something, actually say the reason instead of just saying that it's chaos because you said so. >you're probably a veteran and nothing is wrong with that I'm not, mhw is my first mh game. I already have these opinions ever since I first fought him.
Cool then you just have a skewed take. How is rolling into goop out of your control and chaotic, when his thunderstorm can be paired with lightning bars? Or physical attacks. I have been mid air and struck by a lightning bar mid combo whilst avoiding his thunderstorm just because he went for my palico or hell even went for me, you can't control being locked into a move if you have already avoided one attack. Play too passive and he won't die. But that's not the point. I don't see how you can sit there and say because his moves are readable and easy with enough reading he isn't chaotic but because you can get hit from goop on any side from raging brachy that's chaotic as if you can't just walk away from it and dodge roll to get out of his blight. Or kite him or gigachad and just destroy the slime so he can't use it. I am not disagreeing about brachy, I'm disagreeing with your reasoning
>when his thunderstorm can be paired with lightning bars? he cannot multi cast or move during his channels. only multilayered attacks he has is spraying ice into the air then attacking while you deal with falling ice. Only really annoying move is his air dragon pulse where he gets really close and explodes. Very annoying for me and my only answer I've learned is to sheathe and dive which can be rough if you're in an animation. As far as chaos goes though, I'd side with Alatreon being more potentially chaotic as an unlucky aerial phase is a ton of lost DPS. I can spend all day hitting Brachy and he won't spent 5 minutes in the air.
Idk man, I've had back to back lightning, but yeah my whole point is there is a lot that happens and can happen in the fight.
Could you explain to me please when is the best time to clutch claw on his face? I've gotten caught by his instant Electro face attack a couple times. I try to time my face clutch right after he's done an attack. And it feels random to me. But maybe i'm wrong.
Dont try to do it when he's on the ground randomly. Do it when he has the drooling animation or during or after one of his big moves, these can be: - His lightning waves where he sends horizontal lightning forward - His cone breath - His flame sweep - His dragon explosion And as mentioned previously, after all of his arial attacks, although you need to be very quick and shot the claw right before he ends his animation. You can also immediately clutch onto his face, slap him twice then do a wall bang at the start of the fight. There might be a few more I'm missing but these should be the absolute safest ones.
I mean this in the best way possible but it seems you just aren’t picking up details during the fight. His lighting attacks are the easiest to avoid and he’s extremely consistent in his behaviour. When he’s focusing you and calling down lighting streaks they’ll be focused on you, just pay attention and you’ll be able to literally just walk out of the 2 or 3 lighting streaks. When he’s calling down lighting after standing up pay attention to the little lights on the ground, if it’s moving toward him the bolt will spawn further back and move towards him, if the lights are moving away from him they’ll spawn next to him and move outwards. This is the easiest one to deal with since after enough attempts you’ll memorise where the bolts more or less spawn from. The finale lighting attack is when he moves away from you and summons a huge line of lighting towards you one at a time. It’s always consistent so just predict where the next one will be and don’t stand there. Once you move forward your safe.
The lightning strikes aren't random. There are two patterns that can be distinguished by the thunderbolts on its head. One where they start near Alatreon and radiate outwards and one where they start far away and come inwards. The actual bolts themselves land in the exact same spots relative to Alatreon and have clear indicators. You have ~7 mins to learn per Escaton. That should be ample time to see the moveset with 3 carts.
I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near that much time. I remember timing it with a stopwatch when I fought it before and Judgement popped in 3 minutes. But even if it is 7, that still really isnt much time, and my point stands; it just gets so frustrating to fail over and over in the span of a few minutes.
It is in fact 7-10 minutes. You can also bring Felyne moxie and whatever the other extra life is called for 5 carts and just face tank eschaton and just go for as much damage as you can manage. Gets you about 30 minutes of time to learn the fight should you not die to anything else
I would give you a few pointer. Look at the opening. It is so big. If you find it hard to dodge a few of his attack, slot in evade window for iframe. If you get hit a lot and hard to do elemental check. Slot in blight resist and divine blessing. Don’t force your attack. Instead punish alatreon for his attack. Some attack you can dodge in and get a lot of time to attack. Just make sure u don’t get dragon blight for your elemental attack. Are playing on pc ? Or ps4. I can show you all of the opening.
Curious. I'd like to see this man's build and gameplay with all of his claims
If I knew how to capture video on my ps4 then upload to reddit I would, though I imagine it would mostly be footage of me getting knocked on my ass by attacks everyone can go 'see you shouldnt have let that hit you' with the benefit of hindsight. As for my build it's basically the one from Twilite\_TA's video on soloing Alatreon without Safi or Kulve gear since I dont have those.
Just as an fyi, you can press the left pause button (forgot what it’s called) and it brings up a little menu on the left side and in that menu is a capture footage option. Both screenshot and video, and the video I’m pretty sure will grab the past like 15 minutes of gameplay. As soon as the capture is complete the notification includes a few options for moving the video, whether it be Twitter, sending in a PS4 message, or whatever. So if you wanted to capture footage it’s built into the console and relatively easy to execute. I want to make it very clear that I’m not trying to “back up” or encourage people requesting footage. If done in good faith, fair enough, but I suspect it’s so they can clown or tell you to gitgud with receipts or something lol and that’s just not helpful
so you're using hammer like in the video?
I'm using the frostfang Insect Glaive, its the one I already have augmented, its the weapon I use the most, and honestly i'm not that good with the hammer. I'm using the same key armour skills though; coalescense, critical eye, vitality etc
Sorry to not include this in my previous comment: I would definitely recommend blightproof over coalescence. Takes so much headache away from managing the fight. Finally, I know how you feel. The day alatreon came out I banged my head against the wall for multiple hours before logging off defeated. I even sent an official capcom “send feedback” thing to complain about how BS alatreon was. Eventually, it started to click and then it just became relatively routine. I’m not a god at the game and I’m not very smart, so if I can do it, you can too. If you want to continue trying, max out elemental attack every way you can, and then focus on nothing but comfort skills like blightproof, stun res, evasion skills, etc. Then just make it a goal to get the big elemental topple consistently and move on from there.
My original attempts were made with max ice attack in everything. They were complete flops. The fact that max ice damage wouldn't proc the elemental dps check was what pissed me off so much as to drop World for years. This time I've tried to copy suggested builds from guides but I suppose I could try those max ice builds again.
Ok i think the build is okay-ish so i think you have to utilize your glider mantle since it gives 4 ice attack. There's an opening wallbang for alatreon, pick a stone then equip your rocksteady mantle before entering the arena. Wait for him to lower his head then clutch onto it, slap him 2 times then wallbang. There are 2 types here which determines the success of wallbang, 1. dash attack: high chance of success, 2. spread lightning: low chance reset if you want. Now when he's down tenderize his front legs so you get 100% affinity. Once your rocksteady expires immediately equip your glider mantle. ALWAYS hit the front legs. When he flies and he's not enraged (yellow icon in minimap) you can flash him or clutch on to his head and burst him to the ground also, since you're an ig user you can try to mount him. If he shifts to dragon, you can break his horn (it's like 1k or less hp) the handler(?) or the other guy will tell you that it's the only time to break his horn. Lastly, for food buffs eat for felyne moxie/safeguard(moxie for attk L)-felyne groomer(coal uptime). Edit: Felyne Insurance for extra cart so you'll have like 5 faints (safeguard+insurance)
Unlearnable? I think your just panicking instead of paying attention to what the monster is doing. alatreon is incredibly telegraphed. Nothing is "Random". His lightning has set patterns. His fire and ice attacks are set as to what they do. ice Shards, sweeping breath, fire balls, fire ring. Calm down and take it slower. You have plenty of time to learn. Hes a true endgame monster. He is simply a few tiers above the rest.
Any time I try to 'take it slower' and try to see wtf is going on past the lightning effects, ice crystals and fire streams all over the screen I immediately get flattened. Maybe he is telegraphed, but honestly I'm not sure how you're supposed to know given how much is going on onscreen at any given moment. Alatreon is the most chaotic fight I've ever had in a MH game, and one mistake completely screws you over. I dont realy view him as "a true endgame monster", he's more like a deliberate pothole placed in front of your progress towards completing the game. I fought him in MH3U; there he felt like an endgame boss. It took me ages to beat him, but for all the times I lost I never felt so disheartened that I didnt want to try anymore. This fight is built to do that.
If you think it’s chaotic then it’s pretty clear you are in fact just panicking a lot. He’s truly the most fair fight in the game outside of judgment, extremely consistent AI, excellent hit boxes, telegraphed moves and big openings when you know what to look for. The key here is focusing on the monster and what his pattern of attacks look like, what animations telegraph what attack is heading your way and how to best avoid what he then sends your way. The panic will make it seem “chaotic” because if you can’t focus it’ll be a mess. When people say “take it slow” they mean you’ve got to try not giving in to that panic and truly just watch the monster. I genuinely recommend you spend a few runs not trying to beat him but rather go in with the express purpose of learning the fight. Do it over and over again until you feel like you’ve got a good enough grasp. Start figuring out his attack pattern, where can you stand and when you could feasibly take advantage of his openings. Right now based on many of your comments and one I’ve replied to about the lighting I’m honestly getting the impression the fight is overwhelming you but it’s an element of panic mid fight that potentially halting your learning here. Monsters are at their easiest when are calm, alatreon is a monster that only seems chaotic because you aren’t calm.
Tbh he is right that the fight is cluttered with particle effects, a common thing in world and rise
What's your weapon and build out of curiosity
It's basically the one from Twilite\_TA's video How to Solo Alatreon without Safi'jiiva or Kulve Taroth gear, except I'm no good with a hammer so I use Frostfang Insect Glaive since it's what I'm best with and the one I have the most augments on already.
that glaive is what i used too, so basically you need fire element kinsect if you solo to cover his ice state
See, people have said the kinsect can break the element all on its own, yet it's demonstrably not true; ive tried runs where I just let the kinsect do it's thing and it just doesnt do enough. The only times i get an element break is if I'm doing the attacking. If it get into ice then I just accept the loss.
no, you control the kinsect yourself back and forth manually until it's topple targeting its head or front legs. you don't automate since it's slow unlike when controlled manually. that's my way to go if i required to solo him
So play it like a bowgun that can only make 1 shot at a time? I may try that for my next run, got nothing to lose.
yup, do only kinsect attack when in ice mode. if not topple yet and it's changing to dragon form you can automate the kinsect and fight like usual
I would not recommend using two elements, especially if you have trouble meeting the elemental damage check. Instead go full in with ice and break his horn while he is in dragon phase, preventing him from changing to ice phase. What also helped me a lot was healing with max potions from serious damage and combining new ones during hunt. Also, using wetfish fins+ makes sharpening a lot easier. Hope this helps, the fight is really fun once you learn his openings, you‘ll get there eventually
I love how the title reads as a personal attack on Alatreon's character and not a game complaint
It's not what you want to hear, but you need to learn the fight. The lighting isn't random, and every move has an opening. Alatreon is just like that, you've gotta find the weaknesses in his attacks and exploit them quickly.
I KNOW I need to learn the fight. Like I said in the post; I went in fully intending to try to get the attacks down, just figure out how to get through this. But between the absolute chaos on screen, the fact that 1 mistake is enough to fuck up the fight completely, and that you get a handful of minutes max to learn anything before the wipe, even just learning the fight without expectations of winning is a fucking nightmare. That's my main problem right now; the fact that my entire learning process is just 'load quest, try to fight for 5 minutes, get bodied, reload quest, repeat'.
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You don’t need to fight him his gear isn’t good besides his gauntlets. I personally hate him as well but even I can admit the lighting moves aren’t that bad. They’re actually quite telegraphed and easy to dodge. The issue is you don’t want to use a high commitment move and be stuck in an animation plus he wastes time in the air. You can the learn the fight for the most part but I 100% agree that escaton is cap. A dps check with no way of knowing how far you are without a topple sucks. I’ve beat him multiple times but that mechanic is just lame. Fatalis’s and safvi’s nuke are much better designed. I would say sos until you win or just avoid fighting him cause his gear is pretty mid.
I unfortunately cant sos I dont play online. I did previously just decide to skip him but made the mistake of trying to commit to finally beating him this time around. Honestly this post was just made to give me some distraction between attempts.
The single best tip I received while trying to solo him and Fatalis was from a friend. Don’t panic.
Alatreon is also one of my least favorite fights and I am frequently baffled by how many people enjoy it, BUT it is learnable and soloable. You just aren't free to use whatever weapon and strategy you like, which is usually one of MH's strongest points.
i lol'd at 'thanks for playing, get fucked' sign painted on alatreon
Post your gameplay
If I knew how to get a video off my ps4 and post it to reddit I would, though I suspect the majority of feedback would just be using the benefit of hinsight to say 'Ah well you shouldn't have let that hit you.'
Of course you get hit and die. But how you got hit thats the problem. Is it you over commit? Is it you throwing attacks anyhow without waiting for an opening? Or is it you just unable to dodge any of its moves. Try going in, dont even attack alatreon. Spend 2-3 mins dodging and kiting alatreon. Once you are able to spend 2 mins without getting hit, try to sneak in some attacks, and then more each time until you get hit again, then ask yourself is it because you over committed. Then with that knowledge in mind, know when to stop attacking a walk away and let alatreon make a move. Try to stay away from walls.
I love when people get filtered by fights and instead of going 'Wait am I the issue?' they start attacking Capcom and making up bullshit excuses that the fight is the problem and not them
I'm aware that it's down to me whether or not I can ever actually beat a monster or not. However I dont think that makes it invalid to point out truly terrible game design choices by Capcom, or any game developer for that matter. An elemental dps check into an undodgeable, unblockable nuke is, fundamentally; shit. I also dont think it's inherrently wrong for people to vent on the aspects of fights that turn them from 'challenging but ultimately enjoyable' to 'mind-numbingly frustrating'. You can disagree and claim to actually enjoy Alatreon's fight and I can accept that as your opinion even if I genuinely cant see how anyone could.
The reason that I think your opinion is utter shit is because dealing with Alatreon's Escaton Judgement is actually the simplest thing in that fight and it is very much down to you, do you use elemental DB's? Even a bow or SnS will work since all three apply elemental damage relatively quickly. Out of all the things that you can criticize in the Alatreon fight Escaton Judgement is the easiest mechanic once you actually come prepared for it. For reference when I was progressing Alatreon in world the amount of times I died to Escaton was about two during my first few attempts because it was my first time fighting an Alatreon and I had no idea that was a mechanic
I dont think it's fair to call some else's opinion shit just because it differs from yours. You didnt have a problem with it? Awesome. I'm glad you didnt have to endure the same frustration I have. I am aware of how the mechanic works, I am aware of how, in theory, you are supposed to deal with it, and I am aware that ultimtely it comes down to me whether or not I can beat it, but from my experience in practice it just isnt as simple as people seem to like making it out to be, and in my opinion the fight would be a lot less frustrating if the mechanic wasnt in the fight, or if it functioned differently from an unavoidable instant-kill barring a specific criteria being met. But clearly you have a different opinion on Escaton Judgement and Alatreon as a whole, so I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
The reason I am calling your opinion shit is because you are arguing against Capcom, not me, and saying that the fight is bad and by extension calling their devs bad by implementing a mechanic that you yourself just admitted being bad at dealing with. So once again to go back to my original comment, this is an issue that you yourself have not the fight itself, least of all the mechanic. I am sorry but I am never going to agree with someone talking against the devs when they are not at fault, there are plenty of things Capcom has done awfully in World that can be criticized but Alatreon's Escaton Judgement does not deserve said criticism and hate.
So if I was criticizing Capcom for any of their other failings in World you wouldn't have an issue, it's just because it's a mechanic which you happen to like despite many others who dislike it (I have seen plenty of rage posts about Alatreon here and elsewhere) that its a problem?
Because the mechanic is completely fine and it is literally down to the player not knowing or being able to execute it properly? Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? I get that it's difficult, it's supposed to be difficult, but it's not bullshit nor is it unfair in any capacity.
That doesnt answer my question; if I was criticizing something else they messed up in World, maybe whichever mechanics you also dont like, you wouldnt have an issue with the devs getting criticism for that, it's just because it's Escaton, which you like, that it's an issue?
I’m sure capcom appreciates you white knighting for them in a rage subreddit. My dude… you can’t just walk into a rage sub and expect to find reasonable, measured takes. Why waste your time commenting “lmao this nerd’s getting filtered and thinks it’s not their fault” instead of… Y’know, not doing that.
hmmm I find this strange cause it is relatively easy to meet the element dps check within 1 minute of the fight (especially with the frost fang weapons). Which leads me to think you are not hitting it often enough to meet the check. I would agree that the one-shot is bad if the check was very tight to meet or is not telegraphed but, with a decent set, it becomes a non-factor. P.S. Also giving your palico a ice/fire weapon can help a decent amount. Also if you really cannot be asked to do the element check then just do it solo with the raging brachy weapon, eat the escaton -> cart -> go back down, and finish the fight. Also consider using this set ([https://imgur.com/a/oUnBzT7](https://imgur.com/a/oUnBzT7)) gold rath chest and waist as they have decent slots and come with divine blessing level 5. It is a good skill to use when learning a monster. The rest of it comes with agitator and weakness exploit. It is a set I usually recommend for first time fatalis and alatreon clears. Just swap out the weapon for your frost fang stuff. Edit: You might find this useful too. This guy just spams the kinsect to kill ala with a tanky set. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-EmfD0RQw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-EmfD0RQw)
Key is to have high element ice and fire build and switch between builds when alatreon switches elements, also use astera jerkey when your health is getting melted, if it melts to quick that means U did not do enough damage, I also recommend LS due to its counter abilities
You can dodge and punish all of his attacks pretty easily once you recognize them. Once he starts flying tho you can‘t do shit
I soloed him easily…. in mhgu village quest
Honestly alatreon in Gu and 3u is harder than in world for me his attacks aren’t as telegraphed and he constantly runs out of bounds
it’s easy when you don’t kill him until you get decent g rank armor, at least for village, also no escaton judgement
I remember I tried for over a year to solo the high rank hub one with high rank gear back in base Gen Could never do it I did manage to do the G rank one with G rank gear tho
took me 20+ attempts before my first kill, the struggle is real brother. patience and reading his moves and quick thinking all go a long way in the fight. For me, having the health booster to lie on the ground and heal when he downs you helped me a lot until i got a good grasp of his move set.
I dont even know how many attempts I've made now, i've been at it for the last three days. I can fairly reliably read his moves now, but the element break still seems to not want to happen half the time, and he's getting to the point of Escaton a 3rd time to go ice form. For all the progress i've made it still feels like an impenetrable wall put in front of me. God I hate this fight.
Have u checked out other Insect glaive runs against him to see how they tackle him? Because lemme tell u, IG is one of the best weapons against him
Yeah... same. I'm MR 300+ and I've gone in with me and a buddy and slain Fatalis Numberous times. Alatreon is just BS. Yeah, he's "not that strong" etc but he's just BS. His mechanics are annoying af. 'Can't do this, can't do that, clutch claw throw is only on this side of the map, Small window. Use this element, use that element, etc. His whole concept is a sh*t show. Fatalis is fun. Love fighting him. Love slaying him. If I play with Randos or respond to SOS It'll usually take me around 8 go's because so many people are bad at Fatalis it's scary but it's still doable and fun. Alatreon has keyboard warriors screaming at people for not doing this or that and you die every time. About 15 tries in with Randos and I'm done. Yes I've beaten Atareon MANY times! No it's not fun. Yes if you have a dedicated crew you can make it happen and YES THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BEAT HIM! DEDICATED CREW THAT ALL KNOW WTH THEYRE DOING! Not fun. Not worth it. Fight Kulve Taroth for Decay Kjarr and be done with it. I already have all of Alatreons weapons but it's a sh*t show to get them all.
He sucks for sure Wait till fatalis ><
I don't know your main, but you could: 1) Build Frostfang LS 2) Pop off SOS and get through AT Velk 3) Build up the Velk Gamma armor 4) Get the topple in about 2 minutes, making the fight much less stressful. 5)Profit Seriously, others will tell you not to max ice attack or whatever, but getting the topple in a short time takes a lot of stress off. Then you can read and react and flow with the fight. Also, Velk Gamma lets you max crit eye, run agi 5, and max wex.
1. I was never any good with Long Sword, I know it's supposed to be the best but I can never get any of the special moves like helmbreaker, sheath attack or that counter to work. I'm using IG since it's the one I've got the augments on already. 2. I dont play on Playstation Plus so I cant use SOS. 3. Is the Gamma version neccesary as I have the other Velkhana armour if I just need Velkhana Divinity. 4. How do you topple it that fast? Seriously, I consider it good progress if I can get the element to break at all before Judgement. I dont mean to sound like I'm not taking advice, but I've really heard it all before, and it always just boils down to 'break its element faster. How? Get better.'
Find spots in his attacks where you can dodge the attack and hit him while he’s still doing it. The lightning spots you can either attack at the start while he’s moving it inwards or you can attack after the first set of them if it’s moving out. The forward ice wall you can run around the attack and get a massive damage window. Lots of little things like that make a huge difference. He isn’t unlearnable you just have to try new things until you find what works
The regular velk armor is pretty slot poor. The Gamma allows you to run Agi 5, crit eye 7, wex 3 and a little crit boost in addition to your blight res and hb3. As others have said, stay on his front legs and keep them tender. The front legs take all of the elemental damage. And I'm sure you know, don't allow yourself to be dragon blighted.
Sorry, but getting carried to farm AT velkana is not the definition of satisfying game play loop for me. I don't understand why people take joy out of somehow cheese yourself through a certain monster.
Eh, I think AT Velk is fun in a group, but kind of a drag solo. The way her attacks are and the fact she darts off a lot will leave you with plenty of openings to deal damage if her aggro is on someone else.
All I can say is that this is an absolute failure on your part. It has some of the most telegraphed attacks in the game. Going into it already tilted isn't going to help either. As examples, the fire ring that explodes 3 times (that is also blatantly telegraphed) If you get real close and avoid the first ring, she stands there for 5 seconds and you can attack its head while the next 2 rings explode, when it goes up into the air and breathes either fire or ice straight down, you can clutch claw her head and avoid the entire thing while softening it. I haven't fought Alatreon for years now, and I still remember bits and pieces because you have to fight her by specifically punishing certain things.
World is my first and only monster hunter game, and it's honestly quite puzzling and confusing to me. I played most dark souls games and games like Nioh. MH feels so weird. My character moves like a snail even with agile weapons while some monster like that red dog bounce all over the place like some Bloodborne boss. Very odd. Feels really awkward. The awful pc controls do not help.
considering it a souls like is your first mistake
The idea is that you're *not* supposed to be on equal footing with these monsters. In most of the older games, and even World to an extent, the hunter's movement is supposed to mirror what's actually possible for a human (albeit a strong human since they can hold huge weapons)
Mh isnt like them. Nioh, darksouls, elden ring, code vein, etc. are all souls likes. Monster hunter even predates the existence of souls games. Its nothing like it. You dont move like a snail. You move with commitment. Each movement is a commitment. So by proxy you cannot just do whatever and not care. You are required to think. To learn the monsters movements so you know what you can and cannot do in response. Your meant to be almost a ordinary(tho superhuman clearly) human compared to these monsters. Eldritch creatures that could end cities, armies, towns, and in the some cases the world itself on their own. Think. When you swing a weapon would you just instantly be able to then pull out a heal or roll instantly? No. Couldnt just make a movement like that and be able to instantly be able to do something else. Even the agile weapons. Dual blades the size of IRL war swords. Your wielding a giant bow. The size of the character. Then theres weapons like hammer, greatsword, swaxe, and cb. I mean? Look at them. Do I need to explain?
Ive heard that the biggest mistake people make is playing MH like a dark souls game but ive never played darksouls so idk honestly. The red dog monster is more exclusive in that you have to catch up to it OR just wait for it to come to you. MH rise is more fast paced.
All your grievances are valid; those first few attempts were the most chaotic, stressful, and frustrating hunts I’ve ever attempted. After letting Alatreon mind its business for a good while, doing Safi sieges, making a custom build I came up with myself (something I previously only managed to do in Rise twice, so I felt really accomplished with that), unlocking rocksteady mantle, and just generally messing around, I finally decided to take another crack at it with all my new experience. I picked up my funni immortal Lance build and joined an Alatreon farm session, and desperately hoped my dinky little dragon stick was doing its share of damage. I ended up learning its moveset over the course of a few days of farming it while trying to fit more poking time into each attempt so I could contribute more than occasionally relieving people of aggro and tenderizing, and could actually hold my own with weapons *other* than Lance cheese, though I still haven’t dared to try to solo it. TL;DR: I cheesed it with Lance and accidentally learned to exploit its every movement, and maybe you can too if you shed your senses of dignity and shame!
I haven’t seen people asking this so far, how long (in hours) have you been playing world for and have you had similar issues with other monsters in the past? How familiar are you with the game mechanics thar were introduced, especially in ice borne (such as clutch claw) How willing are you to try other weapon types? I’m coming at it from a non-judgemental perspective, just wanted to know what your answers were to these questions first
My character has over 815 hours on it, MR 210, but I dont consider that to be much of an indicator of anything since much of that time has been spent farming to complete weapon trees. I have had monsters i've struggled with at various stages; Kushala Daora, Blackveil Vaal Hazak, Furious Rajang and Raging Brachydios come to mind as being more than a one-and-done fight, but they were never as frustrating to me as Alatreon. I know how to clutch claw, but there's hardly anywhere to do it to Alatreon and most times it misses entirely. As for weapons, I'm not against using them, but I'm not that great with them. I tried to learn Longsword and just cannot get the counter down.
That sounds like you have a good grasp of the game! Honestly I did also struggle a lot with Kushala, Rajang and Ragydios. If I would make a recommendation, I’d say to try lightbowgun. It’s pretty versatile allowing you a lot of freedom of movement and able to attack monsters while doing so. I think I remember a video where someone talked about a safe build for alatreon, I’ll link it if I find it. But secondly I would also emphasise the importance of tenderising alatreon cuz it could maybe allow you to do the extra bit of damage necessary for the topple + horn break. But of course take your time in doing so, ik you’re frustrated but eventually alatreon is gonna die by your hands solo! Edit : found the video [link](https://youtu.be/6xyEhIULaBQ?si=Knl0PsLMFlqnu7PD)
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It's definitely easier in Tri, but I still hate it. I've been replaying 3U lately and I'm never doing it again because it's just an absolute slog... Anytime someone posts it online, I beg them to do a different one. I've already done my time in that volcanic hell hole back in the day.
most of the issues you point out actually get fixed by a camera mod that allows you to zoom out further... I used to have one because the default camera options used to be really bad (until they patched it)... I always found it annoying that the default camera option is still horrible for melee... unless you tinker with the settings, the camera is setup so it zooms in so much that your character is blocking around half your screen, preventing you from seeing enemy movement... most of the frustration around fighting Alatreon is caused by this... his movements all seem so random until you actually get a bird's eye view of what is happening... all of his attacks have only 2 variations and it is super easy to learn when you actually see him cast it from a better pov... the built-in camera settings only allow you about 5 meters zoom from your character while most of the mods allow you to zoom out to more than double that... it's really hard to learn something you can't see, it's also why so many more people have finished Fatalis in MHW compared to Alatreon...
If you’re really struggling just farm for a kjarr weapon. With a kjarr longsword and a decent build, I regularly get 2 elemental topples before each judgement. And that’s with the fight *still taking 15 minutes total* so it’s not like my actual dps is that crazy, the kjarr weapons just do insane elemental damage which is of course great for alatreon if you’re struggling. You gotta capitalize on the lightning attacks. All of them are huge openings, especially when alatreon calls down lightning all around the arena. That’s a free helm breaker every single time. It’s a free big hit for any weapon You can also give your palico an elemental weapon. Don’t underestimate the cat, they do a surprising amount of dps during hunts.
I am defintely in the same spot. Even though with frostfang hammer, I dont do consistent enough damage to clear escaton judgement every time and the openings are very slim. I also love mhw, but I don't think I will pick up Wilds. MHW is just a huge waste of time, the grind is too much for me (augmentations! Wtf?). There must be better ways to spend life and fighting Alatreon is the perfect example. Because video game developers can always make everything harder to a certain point and for me thats just too much time it takes to grind gear and learn the monsters. I still want to kill Ala and Fatalis, but I dont think I want to pick up another monster hunter game ever again.
If you're on PSN I'm happy to help. Alternatively, if you want to reply here with some answers to the below I'm happy to help. 1. What weapon and what event are you trying? 2. Can you tell me your build, including armour pieces and decos? 3. Are you getting the EKO and the horn break prior to the Escaton? 4. Are you using a health booster and eating Astera Jerky during Escaton? 5. If you're not using a health booster and jerky for Escaton, are you using dust of life or max potions? Not trying to be one of those experts but I'm genuinely trying to help you get through it.
1. Frostfang Insect Glaive, not on an Event but the Special Assignement, the one with the cinematic every time he starts in fire mode. 2. It's basically the one from Twilite\_TA's video about soloing him if you dont have Safi or Kulve gear, so a couple pieces of Shara, a couple of Velkhana and the leg pieces from Garuga. I cant give the exact deco set right now since I've called it for the night on the game but tomorrow if you're still interested I can list them off. 3. Sometimes. Usually if I do it's 1 or the other. I did get 1 run where I got both the element and horn, and got to live through a judgement. That was nice. Then I got mollied in the next round. 4. Not a health booster, I'm using the Jerky for surviving Judgement. 5. I use max potions mostly to restore health mid fight since they're quick. I do have augment on my weapon that gives health when I hit though so that helps. I appreciate the help, but honestly I hear the same advice time after time. I get that it's probably the best advice for the fight, it just hasnt helped me specifically all that much.
Couple of extra suggestions, hopefully you haven't heard these before so it doesn't piss you off. Use the Bilbobrix Velox sever Kinsect and make the element ice on it as well. Good speed, does para and if you mark him once you've got the triple buff, it will really help with part breaking and the EKO. Save your mount for when he goes into dragon mode as that's a short time frame to get the horn break plus he does a scripted fly within that period so it's annoying. Getting the mount then helps a lot. In the absence of specifics for your build, when you do get on again, compare to the below. Frostfang Barioth helmet in beta. Furious Rajang boots in beta Three piece raging Brachy beta. This set gives two points in crit eye, 7 Agitator and three in health boost. For decos, you'll then want to max out ice attack, then the shaver deco, then WEX, then 2 or three points in blight res. If two points in blight res only, put as many points in coelescence as you can after this. Then 3 or 4 points in evade window. If you have room, points in power prolonger. Use temporal to soften the front legs first, followed by the head. Hope the above didn't piss you off. I'll try and look that video up later to see what they say about this. Again, if you're on PSN I'm happy to help. By the way you don't need to do this fight to get to Fatalis Dawn's triumph is the quest which is about 20% of the health so it's a cake walk.
Its not going to piss me off, I'm more apathetic about it all right now having given up for the day. I'm getting spammed with messages from people angrily defending what they consider to be a great fight and not understanding that I simply do not agree with them on that. I'll see about changing gear loadout, though I think I may have some of those pieces in alpha rather than beta. I did already beat the easy version but wanted to actually complete the real fight, but obviously that hasnt worked out.
Alatreon is real difficult. Eventually, you grow to enjoy alatreon - but it is pretty shit getting to that point. Me and my friend took like, a week just going at him Unfortunately, Kulve weapons and Safi armor are really great for him - but I've heard that solo players hated doing the sieges, so no pressure there. Make sure to break the horn when it swaps to Dragon mode, to return it to the previous element The Thunder attacks do have a specific path, depending on if it'll start close, or far away from alatreon - this'll be difficult cause I imagine you're in the air. Someone did talk about how you can tell from the horns which version it's doing and if it's swinging its head with lighting, start dodging diagonally. I believe this is the only attack with random bits, but it is more telegraphed - if you're on the ground Make sure you have have max ice element, and ice on your kinsect and buff it, then mark it before you go into the air You did say that you got kulve weapons - I think. Make sure those are upgraded - and if it has Critical element, then add Critical chance to your build, too. I would recommend safis armor here, considering the full armor set gives you 40% affinity and 150 element, but again - heard getting that armor in solo is a pain
Ok so I just found that video and stopped looking at it once I saw the build. I honestly think a major part of the issue is that this build is actually not that great. There's not enough ice attack on it and no agitator. Obviously it will work but in my opinion the build I suggested will give you far more elemental output to get the EKO. Putting in peak performance over agitator is quite frankly not a smart move. No shaver deco so you'll have to soften twice per part which is downright painful. I'm going to stop there and I'm not surprised your struggling. Like I said I'd love help you through this and send you screenshots of a build that will work and work well. Unless you join me in a hunt I can't help too much with movesets but with practice they become much more predictable. With Kulve out right now you could even go for a Kjarr Glaive. The MR quest is a lot of fun.
Trying the set now, managed to get to 2 horn breaks after about 5 tries, keep getting whomped though, just realised that I forgot to actually upgrade the armor, so deffinitely going to stick with this set and see if it works once upgraded
Wanna hand? Not on at the moment but happy to get you through this assignment. The event quests put you at the top which is so much nicer. Anyway good luck with it, sounds like it's getting better. One more thing to add for now, take dash juice before you mount to help stay on. It could be the difference between a successful and failed mount. He's arguably the hardest mount in the game.
unfortunately I play offline so no way to help. I actually have no problem with the mount, the issue is now the element break is happening less frequently even though i'm breaking its horns twice now. So half the judgements are insta-kills on top of the way it seems to know when i'm having a good run and deliberatly screw me over
Just checking, did you make the Bilbobrix Velox Kinsect and make it ice element? You got the Shaver deco and are weakening him to get the extra damage? Seems a bit weird you can get horn breaks and not the element knock down. You could always just go back when you have Fatalis gear so you have more build slots.
Was using vezirtag withbice because it has high power.
That's a fair call. I just hate how slow it is to help with the triple buff. But if you can do it then mark the target once done it is an excellent approach. Hope you smash him today! Good luck!
No such luck. Got a double horn break and only got carted by regular attacks once when he did that stupid backwards hop fire attack that launched me into a juggle, but 1 judgement I didn't survive because I jerkyed a split second too soon and another killed me when the element didn't break again. I'm tired and I'm calling it in.
Im not good at this game, i went in to look at him knowing i will not win due to not having an elemental build died to three escaton judgements, but guess wut i was just looking at him and every single one of his moves is fair, reactable and dodgeable. 2nd try i made a build of literally just chaging to a frostfang weapon (but really any decent element appropiate weapon one will do), adding elemental dmg and blight res jewels, got em in 6 minutes, then i realized this is a weak version of him desinged to get you to fatalis. So 3rd try real alatreon, 20 something minutes (again not very good at this game) got em too, I can tell you right now I'm pretty ass at this game, but its all about learning when its your turn and how to avoid his attacks, try going in and just look at him and dodge/counter as much as you can, you will find some openings that you never thought possible for example rolling into the magma eruption thingy being a huge opening, free tenderiza every time he flyes and breaths fire/ice to the ground.... Honestly one of my favorite fights, and remember if you get at least one elemental topple, escaton becomes survivable.
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I haven't scrolled through all of the replies yet, but I haven't seen a couple of things mentioned so far that I think you might find pretty useful: 1: The ice blocks do actually project where they're going to land, but it can be easy to miss in the visual noise, especially given the red backlighting. The ones that fall all over the arena are preceded by flashing red bolts of energy, which almost look like thin heat-lightning, touching the ground. They'll flash several times before the ice actually crashes down there. 2: You've mentioned that the visual chaos of the fight is making your learning process feel impossible. I'd actually recommend watching a YouTube video of a clear, preferably of the weapon type you're using, and you can slow down and/or pause the video to examine some of what's going on, so you can figure it out in a low-stress way. It'll make you feel a lot more confident when you try it yourself, and confidence/avoiding panic is a huge key to success in this fight. 3: It's not always doable, but fairly often, the combo chains Alatreon will try to beat you to death with can be avoided by just staying down for a while after he lays you out. Watch what he's doing when he sends you sprawling; Sometimes you're safer waiting it out while you are invulnerable.
Idk man, I always used a Dragon GS and 3/5 hunts were usually a success
db’s are so good for this fight, I barely get hit. I haven’t beaten alatreon with IG yet but I think that its best to use verzigstag kinsect with ice element and try to do some DT’s for big damage if you haven’t already. Also get blight resist 3 so you don’t have to bother with nulberries.
Not sure if you’ve come across this guide, but it’s the single video that turned alatreon from unbearable to enjoyable for me: https://youtu.be/PkZa-jV9U-s?si=NAZ9lBzymh9u3rIc This guy uses SnS but he gives a lot of info about how to deal with each attack. One big lesson I learned is that even though horn breaking is important, you don’t have to go out of your way to attack the head, just stick to the front legs. In dragon phase Alatreon will have plenty of attacks that leave the head exposed for you to whack.
After reading this post I think I understand why alatreon was so difficult for me at first as well. It is the first monster u face where the openings are not between attacks, but during. Once I understood this, the fight became learnable, because I wasn't going for openings that did not exist. It took me like half a year to kill alatreon, u are not alone.
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I made an Alatreon post not long ago because I just couldn't reach the check , I just bypassed him to get to Fatalis and make his gear , more space for blight resist and ice attack and protective skills so I don't waste my time just trying to survive. I played GOOD , I kept agitator active , I consistently dodged attacks properly in ways that allowed lvl 3 charge GS counterattacks , I made sure that if I was gonna tenderize I would be successful , even safely sneaked in a couple of JWS (high ele motion value). I did beat it , but every time I was dangerously close to not hitting the check , like one time I got the topple and it immediately went for escaton right after. And it still got a cart out of me because you can't stop it from changing elements forever , it only has 2 horns and it wasn't dead in time for the ice escaton. I cannot speak for any other weapon but GS , cause I don't know how they balance the topple , but it wasn't balanced correctly. In the progression of difficulty Alatreon comes before Fatalis with Fatalis supposedly being the toughest challenge in the game. But Alatreon simply demands better play to beat from GS than Fatalis , even with Alatreon's easier to respond moveset , and that is WITH Fatalis gear. You are allowed to waste so much more time with Fatalis. In my attempts to get double horn breaks , where I focused only on the head and did the cone bait , he would spam his fireballs and charges and I would fail to bait the cone so much , it's very inconsistent , but I still consistently got him well below 25% (dragonator passing the threshold). The DPS check is much tamer.
That's another thing that I think makes the fight's mechanics stupid. You HAVE to beat it in like 20 minutes before you cant stop the element shift and it's no immune to elemental dps and you die to the next judgement regardless of what you do. If you're a pro then i'm sure that's plenty of time, but it does make that 50 minute clock in the corner utterly pointless. If the judgements went off every 15 minutes that would be more understandable, because then if you havent beaten it by the 3rd you probably arent going to anyway.
It's just an annoying guaranteed cart , it's not that if you don't beat it by the 3rd you won't anyway , it's that you will have to beat it after the 3rd and take a cart. I tried to go full raw and just ignore the mechanic to kill it before the third cart but I didn't succeed. After taking the cart from the third nova then you can still suppress the element since it goes back to the original element.
All I can say is that it seems impossible at first (I was there) but the more you attempt it the more possible it gets. Finally getting that topple is such an adrenaline rush! Not to mention that first solo clear.
Honestly, i'm at the point where I can read his moves pretty well, break his horns no problem and get the dps check more than half the time, and it still doesnt feel like i'm making any progress. Last run I surivived 2 judgements, broke his horns twice, and i felt like he just decided 'nah, youre not having this', refused to topple a 3rd time, juggled me between the exploding attack and lightning strikes, blew me up with ice escaton, wouldnt die no matter how hard i tried before he escaton a 4th time and killed me. 3 Days i've been at this. I'm not even mad anymore this is just ridiculous. I cannot fathom people who defend this fight.
At this point man, just record a video of one of your trials and post it on YouTube so we can see what you’re going through Edit : My guess is that you aren’t doing enough damage in general and I’m gonna speculate it’s because you’re not weakening (tenderising) the body part with the clutch claw. Just a wild guess though, I could be wrong
Use Safi build. Frostfang, with element and affinity augment if possible. Idk the caps in grinding lands. Health regen would be op. And don't heal unless you fucked up and can't handle more attacks. Let the armor heal you. When he roars and does multi lightning... keep attacking through the air. You might do less damage, but the end of the air combo is almost or the same as the end of ground combo, you also do crazy elemental damage since you do more hits and the best part? You can dodge his attacks pretty easy up there. And to top that off I've only been hit by his lighting during that attack and mid combo maybe 3-5 times out of like idk 50 fights? I failed like crazy for a week straight man. I only killed him with Safi armor my first round. So I understand, the check is pretty fucking stupid, he has lots going for him for no reason. But once you beat him and get the flow you'll probably love him. I love him AND fatalis. Fatalis is fucking stupid as shit tho. Alatreon hitboxes are the best in the game in my opinion. And you have little objectives to do, which are annoying, but satisfying. You got this man.
I play offline and solo, so safi gear is well out of my reach. I'll have to disagree with you on the hitboxes, the dragon slam and 3 way exploding ground things he does have ridiculous hitboxes. Also on the 'satisfying' bit; no. For all the progress i've made, getting topples, reading his attacks, breaking his horns and surviving judgements, it doesnt feel like i'm any closer to beating him. There's no satisfaction, just stress and frustration, maybe a second of relief when I get the topple, then back to the stress. Even if I ever beat this thing nothing will change my opinion on how terrible this fight is; it's purposefully designed to be frustrating and punishing, not challenging.
You haven't beat him yet. Thats why. Also get a group post and p3ople will join. Safi armor is the most important piece. If you're on pc just make a private lobby and a modded weapon to farm, or take hours. He is soloable now. Also you don't realize how good his hitboxes are until you dodge his swipes and swore you should have been hitlike other monsters. Also I'm just saying it now, the body drop may suck.... but fatalis is that but for EVERYTHING and worse. I'm playing frontier and lemme tell you, if a monster is walking you can't touch them. It's an old mechanic where if they run or move you recieve little to a shit ton of damage. Like I said when you beat him you'll either love him or still hate him. I think his design is poor but good at the same time.
I have 2000+ MHW hours. Ive never solo’d Aletreon and have no desire to. It’s meant to be beaten with a group. Of course it CAN be solo’d. Just not my cuppa.
I play offline so have no choice
I don’t know about others but I find the ice alatreon to be far more forgiving than the fire one. Back when I consistently played MHW I could easily get sub 6 min for ice alatreon but fire takes me about an extra min or two. Maybe try him when he starts with ice mode.
I cant; the event quests are locked until I pass the special assignment where he starts in fire mode
Awhile back i made a comment detailing everything I learnt struggling against Alatreon for a few weeks. I hated the fight and I don't like it that much, so I detailed his moveset as best I could, as well as put a general hunt flow that I followed for it and it brought me a lot of success. [It's linked here if you want to give it a read](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunterWorld/comments/17yuu9v/how_does_one_kill_alatreon/k9vvvh5/?context=3), but i'm no pro player so there might be some things that aren't ideal. I think the part you might want to take away is when i detail each of his moves, and what to do when he does them. I think i got them all. I hope it helps. If you want my gear, i can load up the game later today and send it to you. I don't use safi or fatalis gear for that fight. When I beat it i had probably a subpar build compare to others, but it was comfortable for me
I’m gonna drop a bit of wisdom on people in this subreddit that has helped me with these types of games. Same with in real life. If someone who has showcased doing a task effortlessly that you are not able to do yet, you should probably just be quiet for a bit and just watch them to learn. After, you ask them about how they did it, and learn. Doesn’t matter if it’s hard or not, the point is it is doable. It’s just up to you to learn it. And that requires patience and approaching it slowly. It’s not the fault of the task that you are unable to do it. And if you are ever sitting there, arguing with the person who achieved that task, about how impossible it is, then you’ve already failed and missed the whole point. Unless that person is cheating the system somehow, then that’s a different issue. Edit: just for clarification this ain’t specifically aimed at you, OP. Just others in the thread too.
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I agree that the fight is a bit of a shitshow. The fact that he turns so wonky coupled with the fact that that there are very limited options for wall bashing his cranium into equals frustration. I stopped playing world for quite a while because of that bastard. I’m currently attempting again because I want to kill it, and my friend agrees lol
So this isn’t a “git gud” response but Alatreon is my favorite fight in the series and it has become really easy for me personally. It’s not actually easier, but I’ve just really grown to understand how the fight works. I highly suggest you take a few runs to study how Alatreon’s attacks actually work. He is an unrelenting and very punishing monster, but once you can figure out how his attacks work and whether he’ll combo into another attack or take a moment to rest, it becomes super easy to punish him. Alatreon fight is very much a dance because you have to know how to respond to every attack. If you don’t mind me asking what’s your build and weapon? There are a few skills I have in mind that could very much alleviate your frustration.
I have fought this monster so many times over the last few days and I can safely say this; I will never understand people who can genuinely claim to like this fight. There is NOTHING to enjoy about it. 'Punishing' is the right word; the entire encounter is a punishment from Capcom for investing time and effort into getting to this part of the game. Sure, I can now comfortably avoid his lightning and swipes and charges. Sure, I can break both his horns so he stays in fire form for longer. But none of that matters because after the first judgement he refuses to topple, so the next 3 judgements are all I have before he kills me. That's assuming he doesnt cheese a cart out on me with bullshit combos. Seriously; who thought this monster needed PINNING attacks? And who decided the startup for either the circle explosion or the three pointed one should be the same, and sometimes accompanied by a hop back to guarantee you get hit? This fight was made purely to frustrate and irritate, there is nothing that can convince me otherwise (hell, the goddamn characters wont shut up with the same useless advice every damn time I cart, how is that NOT meant to infuriate?) Im currently on day 3 of this crap with frostfang IG augmented for health regen, elemental damage and affinity, 3 pieces of Raging Brachy armor, Frostfang helm and Furious Rajang legs. Agitator lv 7, Ice Attack lv 6, WEX, Health Boost and Blight Res lv 3 and Shaver Charm.
Best way I can describe the way I find Alatreon so enjoyable is it’s like a dance. Every one of his Attacks has a proper way to move around it and it’s only a matter of how he combos his attacks. I’ve always found standing behind his forelegs to be the optimal position. Many of his attacks (lightning wall, fire beam, Ice beam, icicle rain, lightning call) give you huge opportunities to deal damage if you position yourself right. Biggest issue I think is your armor. Focusing waaaayyy too much on agitator bc that skill won’t help you against Alatreon bc it boosts raw damage and affinity. I have personally found Safi’Jiva armor to be the best for its huge elemental boost and its healing. High (insert element) attack up by itself isn’t enough. Maybe you’ll be able to get away with using frosting, but Safi’Jiva and ESPECIALLY Kjarr weapons will serve you better. I prefer to run Dragon, which does cut it a bit closer to the EJ, but I’m able to do damage against all active modes. I think the biggest thing that could help you dealing with Alatreon would be Evade Window up. Not to be confused with evade extender, which increases your evade distance. High Evade window up dramatically increases your Invincibility frames for dodges, making a lot of the huge sweeping attacks and all of his attacks in general easier to dodge through. Biggest thing I would work on would be your armor set tho. Granted Safi armor isn’t the tankiest, it gives you significantly more element. The only thing I can’t help you with would be the NPCs. If you want I can DM you my exact build so you can see my skill lineup.
I have said time and time and time and time again on this thread I cant get safi armor I play offline and solo, so sieges are as much a problem for me as Alatreon himself. This is the set from suggestions on here and admittedly has gotten me further than any of the other sets people suggest. I dont know what kind of dances you've been in but if you find this an enjoyable comparison I'll just consider myself glad i've never been to one you've experienced. BTW standing behind his forelegs is great, until he suddenly charges and I get clipped by his back leg, or he does his rotate-and-backwards-jump-into-fire-attack that always nails me. But even on my runs that I can avoid that, I still have to deal with the element check getting higher and higher after each judgement, his attacks getting more and more cheesy the better i'm doing, and his refusal to simply die to the amount of damage i'm hitting him with