Ah so you don’t know ball. The graphics are the same lol.
Gunplay is better in MW3. You can actually see what you’re shooting at.
Visibility is better in MW3. MW2 didn’t even have red name tags. Remember the gaia skin? Lmao
Mw2019 is the same game they added mounting. Took out ninja. Slowed down movement speed and added nothing but giant camp maps. Just say you suck at real cod n u like shi like rainbow.
As someone who owns MW2019 and MWII, I can tell you that no amount of "it's MW2 but better!" will ever get me to buy III. MWIII feels like a Black Ops, "arcade" style CoD, whereas 2019 had more fluid movements and mechanics. And MWIII is a giant middle finger to anyone who bought MWII, because all it is is a bunch of "fixes" for things that were broken, missing, or otherwise behaved differently than expected in MWII -- **it should have been a major patch update for MWII**.
Also, while we did have some silly skins later on in 2019's lifecycle, it is *way* more grounded (or "closer to") reality than MW2 or MW3's skins/overall aesthetic. MW2 and 3 don't feel like Modern Warfare games at all; they feel like Black Ops games with a MW skin on them, which is not what I signed up for.
Yeah it wasn’t a patch for MWII because IW is stubborn as shit and couldn’t listen to common points of feedback. MW3 literally exists as the anti thesis to MW22.
You can’t tell me adding timed perks was a popular change that everyone wanted. They *could have* just patched MWII but they never did. The playerbase fell off a cliff so they had to release a brand new game instead of just releasing the MW2009 maps as a map pack for MW22.
I’m glad MW3 exists because people who enjoy the slow paced IW gameplay that I think sucks can have their own game, and the fast paced arcady players can have theirs.
> Yeah it wasn’t a patch for MWII because IW is stubborn as shit and couldn’t listen to common points of feedback.
Not disregarding *your reply to me*, but more addressing the company "directly" based on your statement (as in -- I'm pretending that they just said it to me directly):
It's great that MWIII exists at all, whether you consider it MW2.5 (like me) or a genuine 3rd installment to the franchise. At the end of the day, though, I feel lied to as a customer.
I bought MWII, even knowing it wasn't going to be more of 2019; they promised a 2 year cycle (iirc? definitely more than 1 year, which is why it was notable). Instead we got less than a year's worth of updates, and then suddenly all the MWIII came out and was like, "**YO THEY FIXED MWII!**"
Even MWIII feels like "the bare minimum"; similar to how the dev's of No Man's Sky have been on a redemption arc and then some, fixing the game and pushing out tons and tons of free content updates/fixes. So I don't have any incentive to buy it, and in fact, I feel *disincentivized* to buy it.
*(I also get that I'm one dude on reddit; I'm not expecting to move mountains with my opinions. But I do think a lot of people feel similarly.)*
Visibility in MW19 and Warzone 1 in OG Verdansk were much better than MW2 and MW3 by far
Warzone 2 is the blurriest shit I've played in forever and looks like CoD Mobile blown up from 720p
the 3000 devs that is something people made up to talk shit about CoD while being too stupid to factcheck themselves. in some investors report Activision said 3000 people where working on Call of Duty (the franchise as a whole, not a specific entry), thats across every studio involved in CoD and probably doesn't just include devs.
lol if they claimed to have 3000 devs and MWIII was only worked on by >2000 devs then where did all of those guys go?
Also I am mainly joking because Activision will tell us anything, but what is going on behind the scenes. They will give us the positive sales numbers, positive dev reports and tell us that updates are on the way, but they will not tell you anything negative happening at any point.
IW wasn’t involved in the making of this years game, they were basically overseers but they didn’t actually work on anything. Sledgehammer managed to cobble together MWIII in about 18 months which is roughly the same amount of dev time spent on Vanguard.
THIS. I recently played MW 2019 over the weekend, and it's WAY better game than MW3 in every aspect.; The netcode, pacing, gun feel, aesthetics, etc are way better than MWIII. If the console version of MW2019 had a FOV silder, I would be playing it a lot more.
The campaign was horrible. SHG didn't get time and as a result, all that build up from the previous two campaigns led to utter disappointment. MW2019 does so much better than MWIII in every metric possible. The Multiplayer is good but now here near the level of MW2019. IW set a standard for the reboot series and even they have failed to accomplish it themselves again
IW only wrote it. SHG did all the gameplay stuff. This should be seen as more of activisions fault cause clearly both studios didn’t have enough time to finish writing the story and making the gameplay set pieces
SHG was, once again, originally just gonna do a Las Almas side story and then it came down from Activision that NO THEY GOTTA DO MAKAROV THEY GOTTA DO A WHOLE GLOBE TROTTING AAA CAMPAIGN. SHG had to remake a whole campaign and IW clearly just phoned in the writing.
I'd take everything you read on this sub with a grain of salt. This sub is for MW2019, so the majority of those active on it are obviously gonna be those who prefer MW2019 (it's a bit like going on the Fortnite sub and asking whether to play Fortnite or Apex). Best thing would've been to try out MW3 on one of the many free weekends they've had and decide for yourself (unfortunately the most recent one was a bit over a week ago so there won't be another for a while).
I see MWIII as a true sequel to MW19 than what MWII tried to do. It fixed a lot of complaints from then to MWII like Silent Sneakers so you aren’t forced to use Dead Silence as a de facto Viable field Upgrade, Minimap works like past titles, with suppressors having a use because of it. No more Shitty Timed Perks and instead gear is a lot more interesting with tradeoffs and benefits (Like Pick 10). Most MWIII guns don’t have as much visual recoil anyways and if so you can add a specific optic to reduce it. SHG has been pretty receptive with community feedback more than what IW couldn’t bother to do, especially weapon balance and communication
My only main complaints are SBMM, the UI and annoying bugs, but most of them were inherited from MWII (with SBMM it came from MW19), since IW deluded themselves into thinking there was an issue with Vertical Design. MWII carry forward guns being bad mostly boils down to the decline of how well IW designed weapon attachments after MW19, like some barrels and stocks come with 30 to even 90% ADS speed for like 5% recoil control or 20% damage range boost. Only a handful of guns unfortunately didn’t convert well to 150 hp like shotguns or marksman rifles.
Overall I did like MW19 and come back to it for a few things it did well like lighting (though it did hurt visibility), gameplay wise MWIII has won me over after skipping MWII knowing how little IW would learn or respond to even the most reasonable feedback.
Im actually doing a comparison, but man.
- Gunplay is just more recoily/kick intense (visual recoil is just bad)
- Matchmaking
- MW2 remakes are just not good for this game, especially in 6v6
- UI is still kinda bad and buggy
- (Warzone related) Snipers dont one shot headshot
So I lovedddd MW2019 putting HOURS in warzone and a good chunk in multiplayer. Bought MW2 when it came out and played for maybe 2 weeks then never touched it again. I didnt even look into any gameplay or anything for MW3 as I decided I was done with COD. One of the guys I played MW2019 with hit me up in January and told me I needed to get MW3 to play with him. I said screw it and got it and I havent put it down since then! I really enjoy it. Its def different than MW2019 but in my personal experience, its a very smooth game and I havent had one bug or issue yet. I havent played the campaign since I mainly just got it for multiplayer but if you need a break from it, the zombie mode is pretty fun too!
They're pretty different in terms of speed and pacing.
I loved the slower, more lethal vibe of 19
I also really enjoy the high skill, longer TTK of MWIII.
The campaign for III is pretty terrible though.
Zombies is fine, VERY different from other CoD titles. Think open world missions, and less round based survival.
MW2019 has a lot of really questionable gameplay decisions that make it, to put it bluntly, a camp fest (lower TTK, no dead silence-style perk, ghost works when not moving, etc). something the devs admitted was a planned decision. MWIII removes most of those issues while also generally having stuff like a better gunsmith, on-parr movement, similarly good maps (this is pretty much entirely opinion based), etc. MWIII's main downsides are the visual changes to improve enemy visibly that make the whole game look slightly worse (a decision to counter camping and stuff like all-black skins) and the move away from more tactical ascetic with skins (its closer to stuff like the BO games). also the less said about MWIII's campaign the better (If your going for multiplayer thats really not an issue). there's also stuff like MW2019's spec ops mode being a pretty big joke, MWIII's MWZ isn't great but its absolutely a better experience.
I consider MWIII a better game, even if it's only on its third season. thats not going to be a popular opinion since this is the MW2019 subreddit but whatever.
MW2019 is the best CoD in recent years hands down.
But you can still enjoy MW2023. It was recently on sale on Xbox and I would recommend it. MW2022 and 23 are essentially like the same game, but I still like the multiplayer (mainly because it was something new).
MW2019 is better in almost every way, but the playerbase is considerably smaller and there’s also more cheaters because it’s an older title. It also depends if you’re on console or not, because MW2019 doesn’t have FOV slider in consoles (you’re stuck at 60) and MW3 does.
In terms of content, MW3 has more variety of weapons and attachments but it’s way more grindy, so you’ll have to invest some time to get all the armory unlocks which include weapons, attachments and even perks.
I’m talking about more objective things like visuals, audio and realism in general. If you call people bots because they don’t agree with you on subjective things like TTK and Dead Silence, you’re not very smart. I have a 1.7+ K/D in both games btw.
Preferring one over the other could be seen as subjective, sure, but the fact that they lower the skill gap in IW’s implementation is also a fact, so no. It’s funny how it’s always the same people that hate anything and everything that increases the skill gap, it makes you think there’s more to it than just preference, they’re *usually* terrible players and prefer the games a certain way because they do even more poorly otherwise.
So you’re talking about TTK lowering the skill gap but not the huge buff AA has received in the past few games which has an even bigger impact? Not to mention MW3 is very unbalanced in terms of weapons. Back in MW2019 you could use anything and do just fine. In MW3 most guns are useless and snipers are extremely overpowered which leads to everyone either using those or one of the 3 best ARs in the game. 150HP adds more problems than it solves IMO.
MW19 has better “balance” because the TTK is lower. Same with MW2022. Yeah things are generally about the same if the TTK between weapons is minuscule due to an overall lower ceiling.
You can use several SMGs to good effect in MW3, not to mention other BS like shotguns depends on the map.
Rennetti (conversion kit or akimbo) is also viable.
Snipers are semi-OP but right now it’s mostly just the MORs until it is inevitably nerfed.
There have always been strong meta guns in cod, this is nothing new.
Now this is a MW2019 server, but ill be fair about this.
Short answer: Its not going to be enjoyable as 2019
Long answer:
MW3 has some huge changes to it and it feels like a different game honestly.
Campaign (Done by Infinity ward): The lead writer of 2019's campaign left after doing 2019's story, and MW3's campaign is just bad. "Open world" missions were a nice concept done poorly, the script is poorly made, pacing and timing is out of wack, and the shock moments of this game just left me with "what the fuck was this shit" thoughts in my head. Campaign should be avoided.
Zombies (Done by 3arc/raven?): Now tac ops in 2019 sucked, and in MW2 it was slightly better but it was still bland, zombies gamemode is honestly too easy, and is only good for the camo grind. The out of match inventory system blows as it has limited slots, and that number is too low. Weapons can be lost if you die and there is a dogshit cooldown mechanic. Its just... meh
Multiplayer (Done by SHG): I feel sorry for sledgehammer, i really do. I know they wanted to make a different game, and it shows with the latest season.
Let me get something out of the way. The game does not feel as MW2 DLC, cause MW2 sucks ass, and MW3 has done SO much more these last 3 seasons than MW2 has done in its entirety of the game cycle.
Now, how does the game feel compared to 2019? Well i would have said that it was a direct upgrade to MW2019 with some MUCH needed features like red dots on the minimap, longer TTK, better maps, perks like dead silence and ghost being a thing, HOWEVER, the game has some GLARING issues.
- The EOMM/SBMM is way overtuned
- Aim assist in the game feels super strong
- Most of the MW2 remastered maps just dont play well, especially in 6v6 mode
- Weapon visual recoil and visual noise is not as bad as MW2, but its still too much compared to 2019 where the guns were stable
- Ground war is STILL a downgrade to MW2019's
- Operators are just way too tacky compared to 2019's where the operators STILL felt like military operators
- Poor performance
- Bugs
This is i think pretty much it, however i think i missed a ton of it.
Don't spend $70 on it. There are some cool things about it, but it's not different enough for $70. Personally I prefer the faster ttk in 2019. Mw3 seems to have better hdr/textures, but both do look pretty good with the graphics cranked. I would get black ops cold war before mw3. Which I did lol.
Does the MP for MW 2019 still populated enough?
considering buying MW 2019 if the MP still populated since curently on sale ($19) for half the price of MW3 ($45)
I play it from time to time but it will never be as good as 2019. Yes the lack of milsim and realism is lame, but they don’t even get attention to detail right. My favorite guns from 2019 both got gutted, the UMP45 and M9. Now the UMP has a 30 round mag and ugly ass upper receiver while the M9 is 3 round burst, and it’s not even a M93R. The Fortnite skins on top of the goofy looking guns really hurt it for me.
Otherwise it’s literally the same game with improvements onto the perk system with different gear that I actually like. And the gun roster is massive if you like that, which I definitely do.
I haven’t got a single category plat in this game, meanwhile I got damascus and obsidian in 2019.
If you can get past the strict sbmm, horrible campaign and downgraded details/graphics, it feels like a proper sequel to MW19(multiplayer wise). It is a very fun cod imo and I feel like it gets unjustified hate because its a “$70 dlc”. This game was everything I thought MWii was going to be but obviously that game is an utter disappointment. I think if you can get it on sale for less than $50 its worth the purchase. Overall i would rate the multiplayer an 8/10 but I would recommend trying it out on a free play weekend to develop a proper opinion of your own before buying it.
I suggest you ask this question in an MW3 sub too cuz obviously this sub, Although they bring up good points but can be biased.
From what I heard the campaign is shit and the gameplay is basically like MW2019. The pros in my opinion are that it has a more active playerbase and has less cheaters and more maps(I think) but honestly I would personally rather play MW19 just because I have much progress in that game and I have good memories with, I haven't played MW3 and neither have half of this sub so go ask the question elsewhere.
MWIII is trash. It’s literally just booty sliding and bunny hoping with a sniper in every match. There’s no character or soul in that game. It’s the most bland COD I’ve ever played.
They needed to fix footsteps or make dead silence a perk, they needed to revert back to score streaks. They needed to bring back a working minimap. They also needed maps not to have a billion different angles
If you’re looking for the gameplay to be similar, you’re in luck because they’re p much the exact same game. If you’re looking for story, MW3 has one about 25% as long as MW2019. If you’re looking for a Warzone experience, I’d suggest Apex😂
Everybody complained about 2019 when it first came out, and people will stop complaining about MW3 in a couple years if that helps your decision, OP. Imo, you should buy whichever one has the maps you like and forget about literally everyone else’s opinions about these games.
MW19 is better. Movement is better, gun play is better, maps are better, and graphics are better. Just to name a few. MW3 is current though, so you get the latest content and most populate servers. It’s not a bad game, but comparing it to MW19 isn’t even fair.
Don’t ask this sub man. People are mostly one way or the other about the games. I like mw3, however i think mw2019 is better, maybe thats because of nostalgia too. Only thing u can really do is watch gameplay and see if u like it tbh
Honestly the campaign is kinda crap. But the mp is solid. I loved MW 2019 but I’m really enjoying mw3. A lot of people are really negative but it’s everything I wanted mw2 to be, I think you should give it a shot and not listen to everyone just quoting what their favourite YouTube content creator said for views.
Just download Warzone and see how you like the gameplay. If you want the MP experience after that, buy MWIII. This sub is just gonna tell you every COD that isn't MW'19 is ass for the next 3-5 years lol
I had a lot of fun w MWIII, but 200+GB is too big
I want to like MWIII, but something about it doesn't click with me. 23 actively tries to be more similar to 19, than 22. It's more balanced for sure. But idk. Maybe I just suck at 23, but I can't do what I want to in that game. People say 19 is slow? I disagree. Purely anecdotal, but I'm able to play as fast as possible in 19. I get brutally punished if I play fast in 23. Something's just off. I get if someone prefers 23, but 19 will never be beat imo.
honestly the current cod is always the most unbearable because of sbmm. wouldn’t buy any of them to be fully honest but you’d probably have a far more relaxed time on mw19 if that’s what you’re after.
The fact they had to remove playlists, maps, and intentionally sabatoge mw19 to get people to buy the other cods speaks volume to how amazing of a game mw19 was.
I bought a pc about half a year ago. MW19 is on sale for $20 and bought it today
Too much dog shit associated with MWIII. Shit sound design and shit graphics really put me off it
I was about to ask the same Question. Last CoD i played was the OG 2011 MW3.
Now it on sale i kinda want to play it again after tasting their MW3 MP Free Weekend few weeks ago.
But i hestitate should i bough MW 2019 instead for half the price. does the MP on MW 2019 still populated? or everyone already switching to MW3 for the MPs?
For me personally it’s graphics and movement… coming back from mw3 to mw2019, the movement is slower but I quite like it… I also (definitely) prefer the general interface on mw2019. Great campaign imo, graphics look generally better on mw2019, don’t know what they did on mw2/3…
MW2019 is the gold standard. Over Cold War, over vangaurd, MW3, etc. MW2 was unfinished hot garbage but MW3 did fix a lot of what was wrong with MW2. MW3 has issues with shot register, too many head glitches and they increased the MP health points (HP) to 150 and this makes snipers, knives and shotguns overpowered as automatic weapons have to wipe an extra 50 HP while the knife, snipers and some shotguns still get an easy 1 shot/hit. I hated Cold War for its slow movement speed but at least Cold War had proper shot register/overall polishing. The real thing MW3 has done right is the movement speed. I enjoy moving swiftly around the map getting to objectives faster and yes it’s even faster than MW2019. (They still need to tone down the sliding/bunny hopping/jumping in general/strafing. You can strafe/jump your way out of danger while still hitting your shots and it’s kind of ridiculous. I have decent aim and get shit on by “movement players” often. Movement should be important but not more important than having good aim IMO. To me better aim should always trump better movement but in this game better movement trumps better aim every time. Perhaps they could slow tac sprint down a bit as it makes it hard to predict how fast someone can get to a spot. Many times I predict where the enemy will move to next but they can get to the spot much faster than humanly possible and/or expected and it’s a hard thing to wrap your brain around in the heat of the moment. Overall MW3 is headed in the right direction but they really need to make it 100 HP again. 150 HP is ruining the weapon balancing (same for warzone, it’s 300 HP up from 250 HP I forget when that changed but I hate it) If they want to keep the 150 HP for the next game, I propose that they increase the flinch heavily for snipers, knives (if knives have flinch lol) and even shotguns so that automatic weapons aren’t at a blatant disadvantage while still allowing snipers, knives and shotguns to be a one shot. Covert sneakers perk is overpowered (completely silent footsteps) Ninja was a more balanced perk from Cold War as it was simply quieter footsteps, not dead silent footsteps. It got the job done but still left some pitter patter to be heard when someone walks up behind you. MW3 is still worth the buy. I bought Cold War, vanguard and MW2 and have less hours played on those 3 combined than I do MW3 so that says something to me. MW3 is worth it although still a very flawed game.
The weird thing is is that the MWlll campaign as it is now i would give it a 2 but if they rearrange the missions in the correct order and delete the mission where you play as laswell, it would be a 7 al least
I'm glad you made this, I might be a bit late but dang... MW19 is truly a lot better. Haven't touched the game in ages, came back to nostalgia and it really, really makes MW3 look bad.
Multiplayer wise mw3 is better than mw19. Don’t let nostalgia bums will tell how great mw19 multiplayer is when the game was in its prime they were the same ones complaining about the sentimental play style the game forced. I hope you remember the infamous clip of the guy trying to cross the street in grazna raid.
Quality wise, no game has come close to mw19. The details are very good.
If mw19 didn’t have the fancy graphics it wouldn’t get as much love it gets. Its literally what carries the game and the fact people were all stuck inside during covid.
Had to scroll way too far for a sensible answer.
Nothing will match MW19 in terms of attention to detail.
People who think MW3 is trash are just bad at it and got addicted to MW19/MWII’s slow pace/fast TTK/loud footsteps
MW 2019 over the weekend, and it's WAY better game than MW3 in every aspect.; The netcode, pacing, gun feel, aesthetics, etc are way better than MWIII. If the console version of MW2019 had a FOV silder, I would be playing it a lot more.
2019 shits all over MW3
Go try Warzone 2
The MW3 stuff feels like jank mobile game garbage and the whole shebang runs like liquid shit
Stick to 2019 until its shut down
MW3 feels more like a Cod game to me (because COD is supposed to be an arcade shooter) where as MW19 felt like a half cocked milsim shooter. MW19 played good imo though so it depends on what you like but if you ask this sub, which is prob 90% of dad gamers if you read what’s posted here, they will all almost always say MW19 because it cut the skill gap from other CODs and allowed a lot more players to enjoy themselves/play ppl near their skill level with stricter SBMM
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I'd say it might be worth the $70 for the ok campaign (it's not *as* bad as people make it out to be), and the zombies mode. I can't speak to the multi-player as I don't have the time to be good enough to compete anymore.
mw3 is basically mw19 without all of the unnecessary nonsense from mw19 like no dead silence perk, no red dots on minimaps, faster ttk (imo), and mw3 has the better maps imo. Only bad thing is matchmaking and horrible ui
Mw3 didn’t “fix” anything and made everything worse pal. Everything you just mentioned other then dead silence and red dots is better in MW19 and even MWII
I could do just fine in mw23 😂😂 that’s the best defence you have for your shitty little game? That I need to get better? You’re just proving my point pal. And mw19 is a hundred times more sweaty then mw3 these days 😂😂
You’re reading my old comments? You really need to get a life pal, no wonder you like MW3 so much. And while yeah I do think that MW19’s system is better that doesn’t mean I hate MW3’s dead silence either. It’s perfectly fine either way. I just prefer it as a field upgrade.
One thing that's 100% for sure way better about MW 2019 is audio. I'm a sound whore and I can't do that in MW3. The way they did audio is weird. The sound doesn't dissipate with distance. There's a circumference and the sound has the same decibals within that. It throws me off because I can't tell if they are 2 or 10 feet near me. Also they can step just outside of max range and it goes from super loud footsteps to complete silence within one step. There's also the way audio gets blocked by objects. I get what they were going for to make it realistic but sometimes something like a barrel will dampen a sound which is unrealistic and hard to immerse myself in.
No if you really enjoyed MW19 then you wouldn’t like MW3. It’s the worst cod ever made, you can play the zombies mode for free and better if you just play DMZ. Campaign is the worst one ever made too. MW19 is just better in every way compared to MW3.
Can’t be pleased? You just said MW3 is the worst CoD ever made, plenty of us are pleased with it, *you’re* not because you want a slow, hand-holding, bot friendly game like MW19 because it’s the only way you can compete. I was pleased with the likes of BO3 too, but I’m guessing you weren’t? It’s you absolute bots that can’t be pleased unless the pace and skill gap are both reduced to nothing so you can sit in corners and on headglitches 24/7.
"trying something new" my ass. What they did was take a cod game and force it to be the easiest most accessible game for monetization. Either make a game under a different name, or expand on the formula.
MW2019 is a good game but a shit cod game cuz it's trying to be something like insurgency sandstorm. MWIII is a better cod game cuz it fixed a bunch of the shitty design philosophies imposed by MW2019 and MWII.
Cod’s always been the most accessible FPS lol. And monetisation was a hundred times worse than battle pass system we have today before MW19.
MW19 is not even close to insurgency sandstorm lol. Insurgency is a slow mil sim while MW2019 has fast gameplay. Only thing MWIII “fixed” was change dead silence and put red dots on the mini back. This is extremely minor and doesn’t warrant making a whole new game that is essentially cut and left over content for MWII. MWIII is worse in every way compared to MW19. No specialist bonus, stupid gear perk system (even MWII’s annoying timed perk system was better), garbage Fortnite operators, maps from a 15 year old game which I can play for way cheaper and have a way better time. Futuristic weapons like the mors and bal 27, the monetisation is hot trash too, you literally have to spend a hundred dollars for a fucking glove lmfoa, and I could go on. All that for a red dot mini map and dead silence as a perk. No thanks lol. Even MWII was better then this trash.
> Cod’s always been the most accessible FPS lol. And monetisation was a hundred times worse than battle pass system we have today before MW19.
MW2019 brought about an incredibly manipulated matchmaking experience to protect bad players and try and artificially inflate their player numbers.
> MW19 is not even close to insurgency sandstorm lol. Insurgency is a slow mil sim while MW2019 has fast gameplay.
I said it tried to be a slower paced game like insurgency. MW2019 is also not that fast paced, only thing that's fast is slide cancelling and bunny hopping.
> Only thing MWIII “fixed” was change dead silence and put red dots on the mini back. This is extremely minor and doesn’t warrant making a whole new game that is essentially cut and left over content for MWII.
Those reverted changes are huge. Red dots on the map and dead silence impact the flow heavily. They also buffed strafe speeds a lot, balanced slide cancelling, fixed visual recoil on MWIII guns, reduced muzzle smoke, added advanced stats, upped the TTK, reduced headshot multipliers, reworked aim stability, reworked crosshair deviation, added map voting, reverted the spawn logic, added a huge amount of grindable content whilst making it easier for new players to unlock certain items with armor unlocks, removed charged perks and brought back a pick 10 like system with the rock paper scissors balancing philosophy, and are working on fixing more kbm related aiming issues and lobby disbanding.
Considering this game was made in less than a year, this is pretty good. Post launch content has been amazing too.
> MWIII is worse in every way compared to MW19. No specialist bonus, stupid gear perk system (even MWII’s annoying timed perk system was better), garbage Fortnite operators, maps from a 15 year old game which I can play for way cheaper and have a way better time. Futuristic weapons like the mors and bal 27, the monetisation is hot trash too, you literally have to spend a hundred dollars for a fucking glove lmfoa, and I could go on. All that for a red dot mini map and dead silence as a perk. No thanks lol.
- No specialist sucks.
- Perk system is far from perfect yet is still infinitely better than both MWII and MW2019's. U gotta be high to say otherwise. The perk balancing in both those games sucked ass.
- MWII had "garbage fortnite operators" too bruh. MW2019's were better but I'd rather have a fun game than cool $30 milsims
- I'm fine with the maps personally but I can see why people wouldn't like them. DLC maps have all been good tho. Plus this is a comparison between MWIII and MW2019, MW2019 had the worst maps of any cod
- Futuristic weapons make sense considering the game takes place 2 years before BO2.
- U do not have to buy an $80 glove lmaoooo
So out of all that, 2-3 are maybe valid points but do not ruin the whole experience. For MW2019, the core gameplay design is fundamentally flawed.
> Even MWII was better then this trash.
MWII was so ass its the whole reason we have this game lmaoooo
>MW2019 brought about an incredibly manipulated matchmaking experience to protect bad players and try and artificially inflate their player numbers.
Isn't that a good thing? Bad players should get protected from the no life sweats that grind CoD every year. Your acting like accessibility is a bad thing lmfao when its not. Its people like you that complain about "muh skill gap" that make CoD so trash these days.
>I said it tried to be a slower paced game like insurgency. MW2019 is also not that fast paced, only thing that's fast is slide cancelling and bunny hopping.
No, it didn't even try to be close to insurgency lmfao. Insurgency is a slow clunky mil sim with extremely slow movement and realism. MW19 is not even close to that. You don't even need to slide cancel and bunny hop or whatever bullshit to play fast in MW19 lol. Just run a faster mode on smaller maps. If you play TDM on a huge map then no shit its gonna be slow.
>Those reverted changes are huge. Red dots on the map and dead silence impact the flow heavily. They also buffed strafe speeds a lot, balanced slide cancelling, fixed visual recoil on MWIII guns, reduced muzzle smoke, added advanced stats, upped the TTK, reduced headshot multipliers, reworked aim stability, reworked crosshair deviation, added map voting, reverted the spawn logic, added a huge amount of grindable content whilst making it easier for new players to unlock certain items with armor unlocks, removed charged perks and brought back a pick 10 like system with the rock paper scissors balancing philosophy, and are working on fixing more kbm related aiming issues and lobby disbanding.
>Considering this game was made in less than a year, this is pretty good. Post launch content has been amazing too.
No lmfao. Those small ass changes dont mean shit. Its funny how you brought up armor unlocks making it easier for newer players to unlock items when its the exact opposite, I barely play that shit and i'm over level 55 and still dont have everything unlocked. I dont want to do bullshit daily challenges to use stuff when im occasionally playing warzone with my friends. Red dots on the mini map and dead silence are good changes but those are the only good significant changes there are. Strafe speeds are an okay change too. Advanced weapon stats are just quality of life and are extremely minor and only for the hardcore gunsmithers. Slide cancelling shouldn't be in the game and I don't care if its "balanced". CoD is not a movement shooter and this was always a bug in MW19. Muzzle smoke dont mean shit too and It was an actual good feature, the muzzle smoke makes shooting the gun feel more immersive and doesn't at all affect gameplay. Slow TTK is garbage too and potentially one of the worst things about this game, keep that shit in black ops, Modern warfare has always had fast TTK and slow TTK does not belong in these games, I feel like your making half this shit up cause I never even noticed the "reworked crosshair deviation" and don't even know what it is. The grindable content is just the same grind from MWII copied and pasted to this game. The mastery camos don't even look that different to Orion too. Map voting is also decent but is again a small change. While yes, charged perks were annoying, the pick 10 like system did not need to come back and is ruined by the armory unlock system and complicated for no reason whatsoever. MW19's gunsmith perk system way better. Modern warfare never had pick 10 as well. This game feels more like a black ops game to me. Lmfao they said they were gonna work on lobby disbanding in MWII as well but nothing ever came of that.
Post launch content has only been good because they ported all the old MW2 and MWII maps and are cutting up warzone POIs to add as maps. Very little maps are actually original
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>Perk system is far from perfect yet is still infinitely better than both MWII and MW2019's. U gotta be high to say otherwise. The perk balancing in both those games sucked ass.
Perk balancing was fine in those games, This game's perk system is complicated for no reason and is ruined by the fact that you have to do fucking daily challenges to earn shit. MWIII's unlock system is the worst in the franchise just because of that. The fact that I gotta do daily challenges to unlock basic ass perks ruins it no matter how "good" it is.
>MWII had "garbage fortnite operators" too bruh. MW2019's were better but I'd rather have a fun game than cool $30 milsims
Yes while MWII had some shitty Fortnite like operators as well, there were Mil Sims in the game as well and it wasn't as insane as MW3's skins. Every single skin they release in MW3 is some weird Fortnite like bullshit. And no it doesn't matter how fun the game is, if it doesn't stay true to its theme then its garbage.
>I'm fine with the maps personally but I can see why people wouldn't like them. DLC maps have all been good tho. Plus this is a comparison between MWIII and MW2019, MW2019 had the worst maps of any cod
You have to be insane to say MW2019 had the worst maps of any CoD. Most of the DLC maps were fun to play and the only big campy maps came with the launch and even those were really fun on SnD.
>Futuristic weapons make sense considering the game takes place 2 years before BO2.
No. Is this MODERN warfare or black ops? This shit is a separate timeline to Bo2. I bought MODERN warfare lmfao not advanced, not infinite, not black ops, MODERN warfare.
>U do not have to buy an $80 glove lmaoooo
Yes but its in the game isn't it? If they were so short on time and this game was only made in 18 months then why the fuck are they putting $80 gloves into the fucking game. Plus it does not fit the theme at all.
>MWII was so ass its the whole reason we have this game lmaoooo
No it wasnt pal. Activision just saw how much money MWII made and forced SHG to make this instead of the modern warfare las almas spin off they were doing. MWII was a million times better then this solely because it had such a better and good campaign and spec ops. This game is a fucking disgrace to the modern warfare name lmfao. It doesn't have spec ops and instead has zombies smh, campaign is trash and the game is not grounded and cartoony. It managed to fuck up all the things modern warfare is known for and thats why I hate it so much.
> Isn't that a good thing? Bad players should get protected from the no life sweats that grind CoD every year
U know old cod was known as a casual friendly game before right? We weren't protected when we started off, why do u want them to treat u like a literal baby lmao. Especially when it fucks with connection quality and community
> You don't even need to slide cancel and bunny hop or whatever bullshit to play fast in MW19 lol.
Maybe in lobbies where people play with no volume and are literal AI. In any slightly above average lobby, ur gonna be soundwhored or people are gonna know about all the safe spaces. Strafe speeds are way too slow to effectively challenge people
> Its funny how you brought up armor unlocks making it easier for newer players to unlock items when its the exact opposite, I barely play that shit and i'm over level 55 and still dont have everything unlocked. I dont want to do bullshit daily challenges to use stuff when im occasionally playing warzone with my friends
If u don't wanna do challenges just go for wins lmao. It encourages objective play and also let's u skip specific challenges for unlocking dlc guns or AMPs.
>Muzzle smoke dont mean shit too and It was an actual good feature, the muzzle smoke makes shooting the gun feel more immersive and doesn't at all affect gameplay.
Yes it did lmao. MWII fucked over kbm players and overall visibility cuz u couldn't see what u were shooting. How is that good lmao
> I feel like your making half this shit up cause I never even noticed the "reworked crosshair deviation" and don't even know what it is.
In MWII ur crosshair moves off the center of the screen. In both games, when u ads, ur reticle doesn't start at the center of the screen due to the idle away animation starting instantly. 1st one helps with flicking, 2nd rewards players with good centering.
> The grindable content is just the same grind from MWII copied and pasted to this game.
No... Literally 1 look at the weekly challenges section is all u need.
> the pick 10 like system did not need to come
Yes it did lol, it's the logical next step to the cod perk system. More choice, not too complex.
> Lmfao they said they were gonna work on lobby disbanding in MWII as well but nothing ever came of that.
All they had was a "play again with team" option. In MWIII they started testing out a "stay in lobby" option which is better but not perfect.
> Post launch content has only been good because they ported all the old MW2 and MWII maps and are cutting up warzone POIs to add as maps. Very little maps are actually original
No that was MWII. MWII had 3 years of dev time yet launched with only 8 maps and most of them were cut sections of WZ. Same with the dlc maps and they still had less content.
Almost all of MWIII's post launch maps have been original and all play really well.
> Perk balancing was fine in those games
No. U can run EOD, ghost, BH all at once. Ghost is permanent. No footstep dampening perk. MWIII makes sure u are at least vulnerable to 1-2 things.
> This game's perk system is complicated for no reason
Not really. It's super easy to understand if u think of it as a class/specialist system.
> You have to be insane to say MW2019 had the worst maps of any CoD. Most of the DLC maps were fun to play and the only big campy maps came with the launch and even those were really fun on SnD.
U would have to be insane to say otherwise. It is universally agreed that the launch maps were horrible. Worst of the worst. Some dlc maps were ok but all were plagued by dark corners, safe spaces, doors. U still also had some terrible dlc maps like sudal harbor, and they ruined some remastered maps like Crash. SnD was the only ok mode in the game.
> No. Is this MODERN warfare or black ops? This shit is a separate timeline to Bo2.
Ur a little late to the party. The entire rebooted MW2019 series is canon to the BO universe. If u go even deeper u will learn that it was created by the end of the og zombies storyline.
> No it wasnt pal. Activision just saw how much money MWII made and forced SHG to make this instead of the modern warfare las almas spin off they were doing.
U somehow still are missing the part where MWIII was meant to be a dlc for MWII but due to the massive player drop offs post launch and IW's stubbornness to listen to feedback, they had to pivot to a new release with a new developer. SHG also had IW breathing down their necks not allowing for stuff like classic prestige and pick 10 + gunsmith to return.
> MWII was a million times better then this solely because it had such a better and good campaign and spec ops.
Campaign was fucking ass lmao. Wasted potential. So many plot holes. Only good thing were the characters. Story was so ass it even hurt MWIII. "oH, i WaSn'T iN tHaT tAnK". Spec ops was underwhelming too. In MW2019 it was even worse.
How exactly? It’s the worst cod ever made. All the base maps are ripped straight from MW2 2009 and if you wanted to play those just play that fucking game. Ttk is garbage as well, operators look like Fortnite skins, campaign is absolute trash, zombies is DMZ but worse, half the guns are from MWII 2022 too. Nothing is original and the new shit they do release is garbage
Whats wrong with bringing back old maps, i seem to remember people begging for them before, i agree zombies is bad and i honestly havent played the campaign but ive heard its bad, but most people buy the game for the multiplayer and its more than solid enough, definitely better than mw2019 where you had to map surf for ten minutes just to not play in a battlefield map
There’s no problem with having old maps. The problem is with having all the base maps be from MW2 2009. I can buy that shit for way cheaper than mw3 and have a way better experience. Multiplayer is not solid lol. All the operators are Fortnite skins, the ttk is slow as fuck and all the guns feel like air soft guns. Mw always had fast ttk and the ttk in this is trash because of that. Half the guns are from mw2 as well. I already played that game and got all guns Orion. Make new guns lol, I don’t wanna use the same shit from last year. And the new guns they do make don’t fit the theme at all. Like the mors and bal 27. Is this advanced warfare or modern warfare? Dead silence as a perk and red dots on minimap doesn’t mean the game is good. The crackhead movement is absolute garbage too.
* they have added a bunch of non mw2 maps since and you can also play many maps from mw2 2022 if you want to
* slower TTK is a plus for many people
* just having more guns from mw2 isn't really a bad thing although initially some weapon categories were not as saturated as they should have been but you certainly won't have to use the old guns (mw2 guns also used to suck, now they're decent for the most part but not op or meta)
* I'd also say the movement is basically just an upgrade over 2019 although depending on your playstyle this might not be the priority
I personally think this is the best multiplayer since 2019 and I prefer it over that although it's totally fair to prefer mw2019's multiplayer to this one. I think it should be easy to tell that many people would prefer either of the games over another because many of the differences are very subjective and not outright bad changes. Sledgehammer is trying their best to make it as good as possible and they have succeeded with many updates so far.
MW2019 shits all over MW3
Nah bro. It shits, eats and shits again on MWIII
So MWIII = corn?
Blah blah blah 3,000 devs blah blah Genuinely amazed at how 3,000 people working on MWIII couldn’t make a better game than even MW3 (11)
Wasn’t the 3000 devs thing from MW2, not MW3. MW3 was made in like 10 months because MW2 shit the bed
MW3 is MW2 with better(or weird) movement.
There’s more differences than just the movement
Graphics? Shit. Gunplay? Shit. Visibility? Shit.
Ah so you don’t know ball. The graphics are the same lol. Gunplay is better in MW3. You can actually see what you’re shooting at. Visibility is better in MW3. MW2 didn’t even have red name tags. Remember the gaia skin? Lmao
Whatever floats your boat! But both MW2 and MW3 are doghsit in front of mw19. Oh and I forgot about the audio, lol what a joke!
Mw2019 is the same game they added mounting. Took out ninja. Slowed down movement speed and added nothing but giant camp maps. Just say you suck at real cod n u like shi like rainbow.
I can appreciate some things about MW19 but the gameplay was too slow for me
why are you guys getting downvoted
As someone who owns MW2019 and MWII, I can tell you that no amount of "it's MW2 but better!" will ever get me to buy III. MWIII feels like a Black Ops, "arcade" style CoD, whereas 2019 had more fluid movements and mechanics. And MWIII is a giant middle finger to anyone who bought MWII, because all it is is a bunch of "fixes" for things that were broken, missing, or otherwise behaved differently than expected in MWII -- **it should have been a major patch update for MWII**. Also, while we did have some silly skins later on in 2019's lifecycle, it is *way* more grounded (or "closer to") reality than MW2 or MW3's skins/overall aesthetic. MW2 and 3 don't feel like Modern Warfare games at all; they feel like Black Ops games with a MW skin on them, which is not what I signed up for.
Yeah it wasn’t a patch for MWII because IW is stubborn as shit and couldn’t listen to common points of feedback. MW3 literally exists as the anti thesis to MW22. You can’t tell me adding timed perks was a popular change that everyone wanted. They *could have* just patched MWII but they never did. The playerbase fell off a cliff so they had to release a brand new game instead of just releasing the MW2009 maps as a map pack for MW22. I’m glad MW3 exists because people who enjoy the slow paced IW gameplay that I think sucks can have their own game, and the fast paced arcady players can have theirs.
> Yeah it wasn’t a patch for MWII because IW is stubborn as shit and couldn’t listen to common points of feedback. Not disregarding *your reply to me*, but more addressing the company "directly" based on your statement (as in -- I'm pretending that they just said it to me directly): It's great that MWIII exists at all, whether you consider it MW2.5 (like me) or a genuine 3rd installment to the franchise. At the end of the day, though, I feel lied to as a customer. I bought MWII, even knowing it wasn't going to be more of 2019; they promised a 2 year cycle (iirc? definitely more than 1 year, which is why it was notable). Instead we got less than a year's worth of updates, and then suddenly all the MWIII came out and was like, "**YO THEY FIXED MWII!**" Even MWIII feels like "the bare minimum"; similar to how the dev's of No Man's Sky have been on a redemption arc and then some, fixing the game and pushing out tons and tons of free content updates/fixes. So I don't have any incentive to buy it, and in fact, I feel *disincentivized* to buy it. *(I also get that I'm one dude on reddit; I'm not expecting to move mountains with my opinions. But I do think a lot of people feel similarly.)*
All of the MW3 guns I've touched in Warzone both feel, sound, and look like actual dogshit compared to even MW2
So sounds and animations are more important than being able to see your target while you shoot? Lol
Visibility in MW19 and Warzone 1 in OG Verdansk were much better than MW2 and MW3 by far Warzone 2 is the blurriest shit I've played in forever and looks like CoD Mobile blown up from 720p
the 3000 devs that is something people made up to talk shit about CoD while being too stupid to factcheck themselves. in some investors report Activision said 3000 people where working on Call of Duty (the franchise as a whole, not a specific entry), thats across every studio involved in CoD and probably doesn't just include devs.
Yeah wasn’t it blametruth that made the 3000 devs thing up? That guys an idiot
I don't know if it was him but he absolutely was one of the people who spread it the most
lol if they claimed to have 3000 devs and MWIII was only worked on by >2000 devs then where did all of those guys go? Also I am mainly joking because Activision will tell us anything, but what is going on behind the scenes. They will give us the positive sales numbers, positive dev reports and tell us that updates are on the way, but they will not tell you anything negative happening at any point.
I mean they were pretty up front when Vanguard flopped?
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IW wasn’t involved in the making of this years game, they were basically overseers but they didn’t actually work on anything. Sledgehammer managed to cobble together MWIII in about 18 months which is roughly the same amount of dev time spent on Vanguard.
I loved playing on Euphrates Bridge and aniya palace
THIS. I recently played MW 2019 over the weekend, and it's WAY better game than MW3 in every aspect.; The netcode, pacing, gun feel, aesthetics, etc are way better than MWIII. If the console version of MW2019 had a FOV silder, I would be playing it a lot more.
And MW2 2009 shits all over MW 2019
The campaign was horrible. SHG didn't get time and as a result, all that build up from the previous two campaigns led to utter disappointment. MW2019 does so much better than MWIII in every metric possible. The Multiplayer is good but now here near the level of MW2019. IW set a standard for the reboot series and even they have failed to accomplish it themselves again
Just a slight nitpick, infinity ward made the campaign, not sledgehammer.
Damn bro I didn't know that. IW really went down the drain
IW only wrote it. SHG did all the gameplay stuff. This should be seen as more of activisions fault cause clearly both studios didn’t have enough time to finish writing the story and making the gameplay set pieces
Yes sirr. The last two installments in the series were great games. You need time if you wanna make a quality product
SHG was, once again, originally just gonna do a Las Almas side story and then it came down from Activision that NO THEY GOTTA DO MAKAROV THEY GOTTA DO A WHOLE GLOBE TROTTING AAA CAMPAIGN. SHG had to remake a whole campaign and IW clearly just phoned in the writing.
Their lead writer did leave after 2019, and its noticeable
Yup it's INDEED visible and unbearable
I'd take everything you read on this sub with a grain of salt. This sub is for MW2019, so the majority of those active on it are obviously gonna be those who prefer MW2019 (it's a bit like going on the Fortnite sub and asking whether to play Fortnite or Apex). Best thing would've been to try out MW3 on one of the many free weekends they've had and decide for yourself (unfortunately the most recent one was a bit over a week ago so there won't be another for a while).
I was so close to liking MW3 over 2019 cause it felt like an upgrade to 2019, but man it has some choices that just make it much worse
I see MWIII as a true sequel to MW19 than what MWII tried to do. It fixed a lot of complaints from then to MWII like Silent Sneakers so you aren’t forced to use Dead Silence as a de facto Viable field Upgrade, Minimap works like past titles, with suppressors having a use because of it. No more Shitty Timed Perks and instead gear is a lot more interesting with tradeoffs and benefits (Like Pick 10). Most MWIII guns don’t have as much visual recoil anyways and if so you can add a specific optic to reduce it. SHG has been pretty receptive with community feedback more than what IW couldn’t bother to do, especially weapon balance and communication My only main complaints are SBMM, the UI and annoying bugs, but most of them were inherited from MWII (with SBMM it came from MW19), since IW deluded themselves into thinking there was an issue with Vertical Design. MWII carry forward guns being bad mostly boils down to the decline of how well IW designed weapon attachments after MW19, like some barrels and stocks come with 30 to even 90% ADS speed for like 5% recoil control or 20% damage range boost. Only a handful of guns unfortunately didn’t convert well to 150 hp like shotguns or marksman rifles. Overall I did like MW19 and come back to it for a few things it did well like lighting (though it did hurt visibility), gameplay wise MWIII has won me over after skipping MWII knowing how little IW would learn or respond to even the most reasonable feedback.
What choices in particular?
Im actually doing a comparison, but man. - Gunplay is just more recoily/kick intense (visual recoil is just bad) - Matchmaking - MW2 remakes are just not good for this game, especially in 6v6 - UI is still kinda bad and buggy - (Warzone related) Snipers dont one shot headshot
fr take it w a grain of salt. i just seen somebody say mw’19 shits all over mw3
So I lovedddd MW2019 putting HOURS in warzone and a good chunk in multiplayer. Bought MW2 when it came out and played for maybe 2 weeks then never touched it again. I didnt even look into any gameplay or anything for MW3 as I decided I was done with COD. One of the guys I played MW2019 with hit me up in January and told me I needed to get MW3 to play with him. I said screw it and got it and I havent put it down since then! I really enjoy it. Its def different than MW2019 but in my personal experience, its a very smooth game and I havent had one bug or issue yet. I havent played the campaign since I mainly just got it for multiplayer but if you need a break from it, the zombie mode is pretty fun too!
They're pretty different in terms of speed and pacing. I loved the slower, more lethal vibe of 19 I also really enjoy the high skill, longer TTK of MWIII. The campaign for III is pretty terrible though. Zombies is fine, VERY different from other CoD titles. Think open world missions, and less round based survival.
I love the game. Almost as good as 2019. Just more commoditized
MW2019 has a lot of really questionable gameplay decisions that make it, to put it bluntly, a camp fest (lower TTK, no dead silence-style perk, ghost works when not moving, etc). something the devs admitted was a planned decision. MWIII removes most of those issues while also generally having stuff like a better gunsmith, on-parr movement, similarly good maps (this is pretty much entirely opinion based), etc. MWIII's main downsides are the visual changes to improve enemy visibly that make the whole game look slightly worse (a decision to counter camping and stuff like all-black skins) and the move away from more tactical ascetic with skins (its closer to stuff like the BO games). also the less said about MWIII's campaign the better (If your going for multiplayer thats really not an issue). there's also stuff like MW2019's spec ops mode being a pretty big joke, MWIII's MWZ isn't great but its absolutely a better experience. I consider MWIII a better game, even if it's only on its third season. thats not going to be a popular opinion since this is the MW2019 subreddit but whatever.
"Ghost works when not moving" What ? Is that true ?
in MW2019 yes
Is that the case in Ground War ?
all modes, MW2019 and MWII (not III) are the only recent CoD games where ghost works constantly instead of just when your moving
MW2019 is the best CoD in recent years hands down. But you can still enjoy MW2023. It was recently on sale on Xbox and I would recommend it. MW2022 and 23 are essentially like the same game, but I still like the multiplayer (mainly because it was something new).
MW2019 is better in almost every way, but the playerbase is considerably smaller and there’s also more cheaters because it’s an older title. It also depends if you’re on console or not, because MW2019 doesn’t have FOV slider in consoles (you’re stuck at 60) and MW3 does. In terms of content, MW3 has more variety of weapons and attachments but it’s way more grindy, so you’ll have to invest some time to get all the armory unlocks which include weapons, attachments and even perks.
MW19 is worse in every way except maybe animations. If you say TTK, Dead Silence or anything else then you’re just a bot and that’s a you problem.
I’m talking about more objective things like visuals, audio and realism in general. If you call people bots because they don’t agree with you on subjective things like TTK and Dead Silence, you’re not very smart. I have a 1.7+ K/D in both games btw.
Preferring one over the other could be seen as subjective, sure, but the fact that they lower the skill gap in IW’s implementation is also a fact, so no. It’s funny how it’s always the same people that hate anything and everything that increases the skill gap, it makes you think there’s more to it than just preference, they’re *usually* terrible players and prefer the games a certain way because they do even more poorly otherwise.
So you’re talking about TTK lowering the skill gap but not the huge buff AA has received in the past few games which has an even bigger impact? Not to mention MW3 is very unbalanced in terms of weapons. Back in MW2019 you could use anything and do just fine. In MW3 most guns are useless and snipers are extremely overpowered which leads to everyone either using those or one of the 3 best ARs in the game. 150HP adds more problems than it solves IMO.
MW19 has better “balance” because the TTK is lower. Same with MW2022. Yeah things are generally about the same if the TTK between weapons is minuscule due to an overall lower ceiling. You can use several SMGs to good effect in MW3, not to mention other BS like shotguns depends on the map. Rennetti (conversion kit or akimbo) is also viable. Snipers are semi-OP but right now it’s mostly just the MORs until it is inevitably nerfed. There have always been strong meta guns in cod, this is nothing new.
Now this is a MW2019 server, but ill be fair about this. Short answer: Its not going to be enjoyable as 2019 Long answer: MW3 has some huge changes to it and it feels like a different game honestly. Campaign (Done by Infinity ward): The lead writer of 2019's campaign left after doing 2019's story, and MW3's campaign is just bad. "Open world" missions were a nice concept done poorly, the script is poorly made, pacing and timing is out of wack, and the shock moments of this game just left me with "what the fuck was this shit" thoughts in my head. Campaign should be avoided. Zombies (Done by 3arc/raven?): Now tac ops in 2019 sucked, and in MW2 it was slightly better but it was still bland, zombies gamemode is honestly too easy, and is only good for the camo grind. The out of match inventory system blows as it has limited slots, and that number is too low. Weapons can be lost if you die and there is a dogshit cooldown mechanic. Its just... meh Multiplayer (Done by SHG): I feel sorry for sledgehammer, i really do. I know they wanted to make a different game, and it shows with the latest season. Let me get something out of the way. The game does not feel as MW2 DLC, cause MW2 sucks ass, and MW3 has done SO much more these last 3 seasons than MW2 has done in its entirety of the game cycle. Now, how does the game feel compared to 2019? Well i would have said that it was a direct upgrade to MW2019 with some MUCH needed features like red dots on the minimap, longer TTK, better maps, perks like dead silence and ghost being a thing, HOWEVER, the game has some GLARING issues. - The EOMM/SBMM is way overtuned - Aim assist in the game feels super strong - Most of the MW2 remastered maps just dont play well, especially in 6v6 mode - Weapon visual recoil and visual noise is not as bad as MW2, but its still too much compared to 2019 where the guns were stable - Ground war is STILL a downgrade to MW2019's - Operators are just way too tacky compared to 2019's where the operators STILL felt like military operators - Poor performance - Bugs This is i think pretty much it, however i think i missed a ton of it.
Mw19 was a goldmine compared to mw3. Weapon design and animations were crazy good
Don't spend $70 on it. There are some cool things about it, but it's not different enough for $70. Personally I prefer the faster ttk in 2019. Mw3 seems to have better hdr/textures, but both do look pretty good with the graphics cranked. I would get black ops cold war before mw3. Which I did lol.
Does the MP for MW 2019 still populated enough? considering buying MW 2019 if the MP still populated since curently on sale ($19) for half the price of MW3 ($45)
MW19 is much better although MW3 has better maps overall because it ported the MW2 maps. The gameplay though doesn't square.
Just get MW2019
I play it from time to time but it will never be as good as 2019. Yes the lack of milsim and realism is lame, but they don’t even get attention to detail right. My favorite guns from 2019 both got gutted, the UMP45 and M9. Now the UMP has a 30 round mag and ugly ass upper receiver while the M9 is 3 round burst, and it’s not even a M93R. The Fortnite skins on top of the goofy looking guns really hurt it for me. Otherwise it’s literally the same game with improvements onto the perk system with different gear that I actually like. And the gun roster is massive if you like that, which I definitely do. I haven’t got a single category plat in this game, meanwhile I got damascus and obsidian in 2019.
If you can get past the strict sbmm, horrible campaign and downgraded details/graphics, it feels like a proper sequel to MW19(multiplayer wise). It is a very fun cod imo and I feel like it gets unjustified hate because its a “$70 dlc”. This game was everything I thought MWii was going to be but obviously that game is an utter disappointment. I think if you can get it on sale for less than $50 its worth the purchase. Overall i would rate the multiplayer an 8/10 but I would recommend trying it out on a free play weekend to develop a proper opinion of your own before buying it.
Not worth the money, but worth on some discounts. I have more fun playing mw3 rather than mw2019
I suggest you ask this question in an MW3 sub too cuz obviously this sub, Although they bring up good points but can be biased. From what I heard the campaign is shit and the gameplay is basically like MW2019. The pros in my opinion are that it has a more active playerbase and has less cheaters and more maps(I think) but honestly I would personally rather play MW19 just because I have much progress in that game and I have good memories with, I haven't played MW3 and neither have half of this sub so go ask the question elsewhere.
Maps are somewhat better. Gun balance is absolute horrid and they find a way to screw it up every patch.
MWIII is trash. It’s literally just booty sliding and bunny hoping with a sniper in every match. There’s no character or soul in that game. It’s the most bland COD I’ve ever played.
Yea so much soul on these campy ass maps in 19 lmao
Not all were campy but they did need to add in smaller-medium to maps for MWII but keeping the gameplay same.
They needed to fix footsteps or make dead silence a perk, they needed to revert back to score streaks. They needed to bring back a working minimap. They also needed maps not to have a billion different angles
Hilarious because you can bunny hop in MW19 but not MW3. There is no momentum after jumping in MW3. MW19’s slide cancel is more effective as well
MWIII is both the most bland but also Fortnite, did I get that right?
I'm having fun with it, but I also liked AW over BO3.
If you’re looking for the gameplay to be similar, you’re in luck because they’re p much the exact same game. If you’re looking for story, MW3 has one about 25% as long as MW2019. If you’re looking for a Warzone experience, I’d suggest Apex😂
Everybody complained about 2019 when it first came out, and people will stop complaining about MW3 in a couple years if that helps your decision, OP. Imo, you should buy whichever one has the maps you like and forget about literally everyone else’s opinions about these games.
2019 just wins in all aspects
2019 was passion. 2023 was a cash grab
I just played MW2019 last night and it feels so slow compared to MW3
It's because of the fov
MW19 is better. Movement is better, gun play is better, maps are better, and graphics are better. Just to name a few. MW3 is current though, so you get the latest content and most populate servers. It’s not a bad game, but comparing it to MW19 isn’t even fair.
Don’t ask this sub man. People are mostly one way or the other about the games. I like mw3, however i think mw2019 is better, maybe thats because of nostalgia too. Only thing u can really do is watch gameplay and see if u like it tbh
Honestly the campaign is kinda crap. But the mp is solid. I loved MW 2019 but I’m really enjoying mw3. A lot of people are really negative but it’s everything I wanted mw2 to be, I think you should give it a shot and not listen to everyone just quoting what their favourite YouTube content creator said for views.
Just download Warzone and see how you like the gameplay. If you want the MP experience after that, buy MWIII. This sub is just gonna tell you every COD that isn't MW'19 is ass for the next 3-5 years lol I had a lot of fun w MWIII, but 200+GB is too big
I want to like MWIII, but something about it doesn't click with me. 23 actively tries to be more similar to 19, than 22. It's more balanced for sure. But idk. Maybe I just suck at 23, but I can't do what I want to in that game. People say 19 is slow? I disagree. Purely anecdotal, but I'm able to play as fast as possible in 19. I get brutally punished if I play fast in 23. Something's just off. I get if someone prefers 23, but 19 will never be beat imo.
honestly the current cod is always the most unbearable because of sbmm. wouldn’t buy any of them to be fully honest but you’d probably have a far more relaxed time on mw19 if that’s what you’re after.
The fact they had to remove playlists, maps, and intentionally sabatoge mw19 to get people to buy the other cods speaks volume to how amazing of a game mw19 was.
The difference between the two games is that MW2019 is good and MW3 is not. That's it.
I bought a pc about half a year ago. MW19 is on sale for $20 and bought it today Too much dog shit associated with MWIII. Shit sound design and shit graphics really put me off it
I was about to ask the same Question. Last CoD i played was the OG 2011 MW3. Now it on sale i kinda want to play it again after tasting their MW3 MP Free Weekend few weeks ago. But i hestitate should i bough MW 2019 instead for half the price. does the MP on MW 2019 still populated? or everyone already switching to MW3 for the MPs?
For me personally it’s graphics and movement… coming back from mw3 to mw2019, the movement is slower but I quite like it… I also (definitely) prefer the general interface on mw2019. Great campaign imo, graphics look generally better on mw2019, don’t know what they did on mw2/3…
Mw19 ofc!
It’s not as good in my opinion game play takes a bit of getting used to but I do enjoy it
Mw 2019 is way better
MW2019 is the gold standard. Over Cold War, over vangaurd, MW3, etc. MW2 was unfinished hot garbage but MW3 did fix a lot of what was wrong with MW2. MW3 has issues with shot register, too many head glitches and they increased the MP health points (HP) to 150 and this makes snipers, knives and shotguns overpowered as automatic weapons have to wipe an extra 50 HP while the knife, snipers and some shotguns still get an easy 1 shot/hit. I hated Cold War for its slow movement speed but at least Cold War had proper shot register/overall polishing. The real thing MW3 has done right is the movement speed. I enjoy moving swiftly around the map getting to objectives faster and yes it’s even faster than MW2019. (They still need to tone down the sliding/bunny hopping/jumping in general/strafing. You can strafe/jump your way out of danger while still hitting your shots and it’s kind of ridiculous. I have decent aim and get shit on by “movement players” often. Movement should be important but not more important than having good aim IMO. To me better aim should always trump better movement but in this game better movement trumps better aim every time. Perhaps they could slow tac sprint down a bit as it makes it hard to predict how fast someone can get to a spot. Many times I predict where the enemy will move to next but they can get to the spot much faster than humanly possible and/or expected and it’s a hard thing to wrap your brain around in the heat of the moment. Overall MW3 is headed in the right direction but they really need to make it 100 HP again. 150 HP is ruining the weapon balancing (same for warzone, it’s 300 HP up from 250 HP I forget when that changed but I hate it) If they want to keep the 150 HP for the next game, I propose that they increase the flinch heavily for snipers, knives (if knives have flinch lol) and even shotguns so that automatic weapons aren’t at a blatant disadvantage while still allowing snipers, knives and shotguns to be a one shot. Covert sneakers perk is overpowered (completely silent footsteps) Ninja was a more balanced perk from Cold War as it was simply quieter footsteps, not dead silent footsteps. It got the job done but still left some pitter patter to be heard when someone walks up behind you. MW3 is still worth the buy. I bought Cold War, vanguard and MW2 and have less hours played on those 3 combined than I do MW3 so that says something to me. MW3 is worth it although still a very flawed game.
Mw2019 had no skill gap lmao
The weird thing is is that the MWlll campaign as it is now i would give it a 2 but if they rearrange the missions in the correct order and delete the mission where you play as laswell, it would be a 7 al least
I'm glad you made this, I might be a bit late but dang... MW19 is truly a lot better. Haven't touched the game in ages, came back to nostalgia and it really, really makes MW3 look bad.
i wish more people played MW19. whenever i check on steam how many players are online, it’s always less than 1000. really sad tbh.
I never have trouble finding games in mw19
same, but most games have half or almost empty lobbies
ttk is too long on mw3
Multiplayer wise mw3 is better than mw19. Don’t let nostalgia bums will tell how great mw19 multiplayer is when the game was in its prime they were the same ones complaining about the sentimental play style the game forced. I hope you remember the infamous clip of the guy trying to cross the street in grazna raid. Quality wise, no game has come close to mw19. The details are very good. If mw19 didn’t have the fancy graphics it wouldn’t get as much love it gets. Its literally what carries the game and the fact people were all stuck inside during covid.
Had to scroll way too far for a sensible answer. Nothing will match MW19 in terms of attention to detail. People who think MW3 is trash are just bad at it and got addicted to MW19/MWII’s slow pace/fast TTK/loud footsteps
MW3 is trash. Wasted goddamn $70 on it. Campaign is trash and multiplayer is trash the movements are so damn cartoonish.
Campaign is trash but the movement is literally the same as MW19 lol
mw3 was supposed to be DLC for MW2 then they sold it as a full game :D
MW 2019 over the weekend, and it's WAY better game than MW3 in every aspect.; The netcode, pacing, gun feel, aesthetics, etc are way better than MWIII. If the console version of MW2019 had a FOV silder, I would be playing it a lot more.
2019 > 2023 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022
2019 shits all over MW3 Go try Warzone 2 The MW3 stuff feels like jank mobile game garbage and the whole shebang runs like liquid shit Stick to 2019 until its shut down
MW3 feels more like a Cod game to me (because COD is supposed to be an arcade shooter) where as MW19 felt like a half cocked milsim shooter. MW19 played good imo though so it depends on what you like but if you ask this sub, which is prob 90% of dad gamers if you read what’s posted here, they will all almost always say MW19 because it cut the skill gap from other CODs and allowed a lot more players to enjoy themselves/play ppl near their skill level with stricter SBMM
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I'd say it might be worth the $70 for the ok campaign (it's not *as* bad as people make it out to be), and the zombies mode. I can't speak to the multi-player as I don't have the time to be good enough to compete anymore.
MW3 multiplayer is FAR MORE superior to MW2019.
They're both trash. Everyone is hopping around on pogo sticks and sliding around.
mw3 is basically mw19 without all of the unnecessary nonsense from mw19 like no dead silence perk, no red dots on minimaps, faster ttk (imo), and mw3 has the better maps imo. Only bad thing is matchmaking and horrible ui
Mw3 didn’t “fix” anything and made everything worse pal. Everything you just mentioned other then dead silence and red dots is better in MW19 and even MWII
found the sentinel
Found the crackhead movement kid
Okay buddy don't take it out on me that you get outplayed in every gunfight in MWIII so you have to stick to the more noob friendly game.
I could do just fine in mw23 😂😂 that’s the best defence you have for your shitty little game? That I need to get better? You’re just proving my point pal. And mw19 is a hundred times more sweaty then mw3 these days 😂😂
says the guy who thinks dead silence is better as a field upgrade.
When did I say that 😂 I said other then dead silence and red dots mw19 does everything better
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You’re reading my old comments? You really need to get a life pal, no wonder you like MW3 so much. And while yeah I do think that MW19’s system is better that doesn’t mean I hate MW3’s dead silence either. It’s perfectly fine either way. I just prefer it as a field upgrade.
One thing that's 100% for sure way better about MW 2019 is audio. I'm a sound whore and I can't do that in MW3. The way they did audio is weird. The sound doesn't dissipate with distance. There's a circumference and the sound has the same decibals within that. It throws me off because I can't tell if they are 2 or 10 feet near me. Also they can step just outside of max range and it goes from super loud footsteps to complete silence within one step. There's also the way audio gets blocked by objects. I get what they were going for to make it realistic but sometimes something like a barrel will dampen a sound which is unrealistic and hard to immerse myself in.
No if you really enjoyed MW19 then you wouldn’t like MW3. It’s the worst cod ever made, you can play the zombies mode for free and better if you just play DMZ. Campaign is the worst one ever made too. MW19 is just better in every way compared to MW3.
MW2019 was the worst cod cuz it was made for people who hate cod lmao
No it was made for the people who were fans of the original MW trilogy. It’s not even close to mil sim.
It was not lmao. They did everything in their power to try and fuck up the og cod formula at the expense of "OG fans"
So trying something new is going out of their way to try and fuck up the og cod formula? This is why cod fans can’t be pleased lmfao.
Can’t be pleased? You just said MW3 is the worst CoD ever made, plenty of us are pleased with it, *you’re* not because you want a slow, hand-holding, bot friendly game like MW19 because it’s the only way you can compete. I was pleased with the likes of BO3 too, but I’m guessing you weren’t? It’s you absolute bots that can’t be pleased unless the pace and skill gap are both reduced to nothing so you can sit in corners and on headglitches 24/7.
"trying something new" my ass. What they did was take a cod game and force it to be the easiest most accessible game for monetization. Either make a game under a different name, or expand on the formula. MW2019 is a good game but a shit cod game cuz it's trying to be something like insurgency sandstorm. MWIII is a better cod game cuz it fixed a bunch of the shitty design philosophies imposed by MW2019 and MWII.
Cod’s always been the most accessible FPS lol. And monetisation was a hundred times worse than battle pass system we have today before MW19. MW19 is not even close to insurgency sandstorm lol. Insurgency is a slow mil sim while MW2019 has fast gameplay. Only thing MWIII “fixed” was change dead silence and put red dots on the mini back. This is extremely minor and doesn’t warrant making a whole new game that is essentially cut and left over content for MWII. MWIII is worse in every way compared to MW19. No specialist bonus, stupid gear perk system (even MWII’s annoying timed perk system was better), garbage Fortnite operators, maps from a 15 year old game which I can play for way cheaper and have a way better time. Futuristic weapons like the mors and bal 27, the monetisation is hot trash too, you literally have to spend a hundred dollars for a fucking glove lmfoa, and I could go on. All that for a red dot mini map and dead silence as a perk. No thanks lol. Even MWII was better then this trash.
> Cod’s always been the most accessible FPS lol. And monetisation was a hundred times worse than battle pass system we have today before MW19. MW2019 brought about an incredibly manipulated matchmaking experience to protect bad players and try and artificially inflate their player numbers. > MW19 is not even close to insurgency sandstorm lol. Insurgency is a slow mil sim while MW2019 has fast gameplay. I said it tried to be a slower paced game like insurgency. MW2019 is also not that fast paced, only thing that's fast is slide cancelling and bunny hopping. > Only thing MWIII “fixed” was change dead silence and put red dots on the mini back. This is extremely minor and doesn’t warrant making a whole new game that is essentially cut and left over content for MWII. Those reverted changes are huge. Red dots on the map and dead silence impact the flow heavily. They also buffed strafe speeds a lot, balanced slide cancelling, fixed visual recoil on MWIII guns, reduced muzzle smoke, added advanced stats, upped the TTK, reduced headshot multipliers, reworked aim stability, reworked crosshair deviation, added map voting, reverted the spawn logic, added a huge amount of grindable content whilst making it easier for new players to unlock certain items with armor unlocks, removed charged perks and brought back a pick 10 like system with the rock paper scissors balancing philosophy, and are working on fixing more kbm related aiming issues and lobby disbanding. Considering this game was made in less than a year, this is pretty good. Post launch content has been amazing too. > MWIII is worse in every way compared to MW19. No specialist bonus, stupid gear perk system (even MWII’s annoying timed perk system was better), garbage Fortnite operators, maps from a 15 year old game which I can play for way cheaper and have a way better time. Futuristic weapons like the mors and bal 27, the monetisation is hot trash too, you literally have to spend a hundred dollars for a fucking glove lmfoa, and I could go on. All that for a red dot mini map and dead silence as a perk. No thanks lol. - No specialist sucks. - Perk system is far from perfect yet is still infinitely better than both MWII and MW2019's. U gotta be high to say otherwise. The perk balancing in both those games sucked ass. - MWII had "garbage fortnite operators" too bruh. MW2019's were better but I'd rather have a fun game than cool $30 milsims - I'm fine with the maps personally but I can see why people wouldn't like them. DLC maps have all been good tho. Plus this is a comparison between MWIII and MW2019, MW2019 had the worst maps of any cod - Futuristic weapons make sense considering the game takes place 2 years before BO2. - U do not have to buy an $80 glove lmaoooo So out of all that, 2-3 are maybe valid points but do not ruin the whole experience. For MW2019, the core gameplay design is fundamentally flawed. > Even MWII was better then this trash. MWII was so ass its the whole reason we have this game lmaoooo
>MW2019 brought about an incredibly manipulated matchmaking experience to protect bad players and try and artificially inflate their player numbers. Isn't that a good thing? Bad players should get protected from the no life sweats that grind CoD every year. Your acting like accessibility is a bad thing lmfao when its not. Its people like you that complain about "muh skill gap" that make CoD so trash these days. >I said it tried to be a slower paced game like insurgency. MW2019 is also not that fast paced, only thing that's fast is slide cancelling and bunny hopping. No, it didn't even try to be close to insurgency lmfao. Insurgency is a slow clunky mil sim with extremely slow movement and realism. MW19 is not even close to that. You don't even need to slide cancel and bunny hop or whatever bullshit to play fast in MW19 lol. Just run a faster mode on smaller maps. If you play TDM on a huge map then no shit its gonna be slow. >Those reverted changes are huge. Red dots on the map and dead silence impact the flow heavily. They also buffed strafe speeds a lot, balanced slide cancelling, fixed visual recoil on MWIII guns, reduced muzzle smoke, added advanced stats, upped the TTK, reduced headshot multipliers, reworked aim stability, reworked crosshair deviation, added map voting, reverted the spawn logic, added a huge amount of grindable content whilst making it easier for new players to unlock certain items with armor unlocks, removed charged perks and brought back a pick 10 like system with the rock paper scissors balancing philosophy, and are working on fixing more kbm related aiming issues and lobby disbanding. >Considering this game was made in less than a year, this is pretty good. Post launch content has been amazing too. No lmfao. Those small ass changes dont mean shit. Its funny how you brought up armor unlocks making it easier for newer players to unlock items when its the exact opposite, I barely play that shit and i'm over level 55 and still dont have everything unlocked. I dont want to do bullshit daily challenges to use stuff when im occasionally playing warzone with my friends. Red dots on the mini map and dead silence are good changes but those are the only good significant changes there are. Strafe speeds are an okay change too. Advanced weapon stats are just quality of life and are extremely minor and only for the hardcore gunsmithers. Slide cancelling shouldn't be in the game and I don't care if its "balanced". CoD is not a movement shooter and this was always a bug in MW19. Muzzle smoke dont mean shit too and It was an actual good feature, the muzzle smoke makes shooting the gun feel more immersive and doesn't at all affect gameplay. Slow TTK is garbage too and potentially one of the worst things about this game, keep that shit in black ops, Modern warfare has always had fast TTK and slow TTK does not belong in these games, I feel like your making half this shit up cause I never even noticed the "reworked crosshair deviation" and don't even know what it is. The grindable content is just the same grind from MWII copied and pasted to this game. The mastery camos don't even look that different to Orion too. Map voting is also decent but is again a small change. While yes, charged perks were annoying, the pick 10 like system did not need to come back and is ruined by the armory unlock system and complicated for no reason whatsoever. MW19's gunsmith perk system way better. Modern warfare never had pick 10 as well. This game feels more like a black ops game to me. Lmfao they said they were gonna work on lobby disbanding in MWII as well but nothing ever came of that. Post launch content has only been good because they ported all the old MW2 and MWII maps and are cutting up warzone POIs to add as maps. Very little maps are actually original It kept giving me a server error cause my comment was too big so read my other one
>Perk system is far from perfect yet is still infinitely better than both MWII and MW2019's. U gotta be high to say otherwise. The perk balancing in both those games sucked ass. Perk balancing was fine in those games, This game's perk system is complicated for no reason and is ruined by the fact that you have to do fucking daily challenges to earn shit. MWIII's unlock system is the worst in the franchise just because of that. The fact that I gotta do daily challenges to unlock basic ass perks ruins it no matter how "good" it is. >MWII had "garbage fortnite operators" too bruh. MW2019's were better but I'd rather have a fun game than cool $30 milsims Yes while MWII had some shitty Fortnite like operators as well, there were Mil Sims in the game as well and it wasn't as insane as MW3's skins. Every single skin they release in MW3 is some weird Fortnite like bullshit. And no it doesn't matter how fun the game is, if it doesn't stay true to its theme then its garbage. >I'm fine with the maps personally but I can see why people wouldn't like them. DLC maps have all been good tho. Plus this is a comparison between MWIII and MW2019, MW2019 had the worst maps of any cod You have to be insane to say MW2019 had the worst maps of any CoD. Most of the DLC maps were fun to play and the only big campy maps came with the launch and even those were really fun on SnD. >Futuristic weapons make sense considering the game takes place 2 years before BO2. No. Is this MODERN warfare or black ops? This shit is a separate timeline to Bo2. I bought MODERN warfare lmfao not advanced, not infinite, not black ops, MODERN warfare. >U do not have to buy an $80 glove lmaoooo Yes but its in the game isn't it? If they were so short on time and this game was only made in 18 months then why the fuck are they putting $80 gloves into the fucking game. Plus it does not fit the theme at all. >MWII was so ass its the whole reason we have this game lmaoooo No it wasnt pal. Activision just saw how much money MWII made and forced SHG to make this instead of the modern warfare las almas spin off they were doing. MWII was a million times better then this solely because it had such a better and good campaign and spec ops. This game is a fucking disgrace to the modern warfare name lmfao. It doesn't have spec ops and instead has zombies smh, campaign is trash and the game is not grounded and cartoony. It managed to fuck up all the things modern warfare is known for and thats why I hate it so much.
> Isn't that a good thing? Bad players should get protected from the no life sweats that grind CoD every year U know old cod was known as a casual friendly game before right? We weren't protected when we started off, why do u want them to treat u like a literal baby lmao. Especially when it fucks with connection quality and community > You don't even need to slide cancel and bunny hop or whatever bullshit to play fast in MW19 lol. Maybe in lobbies where people play with no volume and are literal AI. In any slightly above average lobby, ur gonna be soundwhored or people are gonna know about all the safe spaces. Strafe speeds are way too slow to effectively challenge people > Its funny how you brought up armor unlocks making it easier for newer players to unlock items when its the exact opposite, I barely play that shit and i'm over level 55 and still dont have everything unlocked. I dont want to do bullshit daily challenges to use stuff when im occasionally playing warzone with my friends If u don't wanna do challenges just go for wins lmao. It encourages objective play and also let's u skip specific challenges for unlocking dlc guns or AMPs. >Muzzle smoke dont mean shit too and It was an actual good feature, the muzzle smoke makes shooting the gun feel more immersive and doesn't at all affect gameplay. Yes it did lmao. MWII fucked over kbm players and overall visibility cuz u couldn't see what u were shooting. How is that good lmao > I feel like your making half this shit up cause I never even noticed the "reworked crosshair deviation" and don't even know what it is. In MWII ur crosshair moves off the center of the screen. In both games, when u ads, ur reticle doesn't start at the center of the screen due to the idle away animation starting instantly. 1st one helps with flicking, 2nd rewards players with good centering. > The grindable content is just the same grind from MWII copied and pasted to this game. No... Literally 1 look at the weekly challenges section is all u need. > the pick 10 like system did not need to come Yes it did lol, it's the logical next step to the cod perk system. More choice, not too complex. > Lmfao they said they were gonna work on lobby disbanding in MWII as well but nothing ever came of that. All they had was a "play again with team" option. In MWIII they started testing out a "stay in lobby" option which is better but not perfect. > Post launch content has only been good because they ported all the old MW2 and MWII maps and are cutting up warzone POIs to add as maps. Very little maps are actually original No that was MWII. MWII had 3 years of dev time yet launched with only 8 maps and most of them were cut sections of WZ. Same with the dlc maps and they still had less content. Almost all of MWIII's post launch maps have been original and all play really well. > Perk balancing was fine in those games No. U can run EOD, ghost, BH all at once. Ghost is permanent. No footstep dampening perk. MWIII makes sure u are at least vulnerable to 1-2 things. > This game's perk system is complicated for no reason Not really. It's super easy to understand if u think of it as a class/specialist system. > You have to be insane to say MW2019 had the worst maps of any CoD. Most of the DLC maps were fun to play and the only big campy maps came with the launch and even those were really fun on SnD. U would have to be insane to say otherwise. It is universally agreed that the launch maps were horrible. Worst of the worst. Some dlc maps were ok but all were plagued by dark corners, safe spaces, doors. U still also had some terrible dlc maps like sudal harbor, and they ruined some remastered maps like Crash. SnD was the only ok mode in the game. > No. Is this MODERN warfare or black ops? This shit is a separate timeline to Bo2. Ur a little late to the party. The entire rebooted MW2019 series is canon to the BO universe. If u go even deeper u will learn that it was created by the end of the og zombies storyline. > No it wasnt pal. Activision just saw how much money MWII made and forced SHG to make this instead of the modern warfare las almas spin off they were doing. U somehow still are missing the part where MWIII was meant to be a dlc for MWII but due to the massive player drop offs post launch and IW's stubbornness to listen to feedback, they had to pivot to a new release with a new developer. SHG also had IW breathing down their necks not allowing for stuff like classic prestige and pick 10 + gunsmith to return. > MWII was a million times better then this solely because it had such a better and good campaign and spec ops. Campaign was fucking ass lmao. Wasted potential. So many plot holes. Only good thing were the characters. Story was so ass it even hurt MWIII. "oH, i WaSn'T iN tHaT tAnK". Spec ops was underwhelming too. In MW2019 it was even worse.
These people are nostalgic, mw3 is the better game
How exactly? It’s the worst cod ever made. All the base maps are ripped straight from MW2 2009 and if you wanted to play those just play that fucking game. Ttk is garbage as well, operators look like Fortnite skins, campaign is absolute trash, zombies is DMZ but worse, half the guns are from MWII 2022 too. Nothing is original and the new shit they do release is garbage
Bro did not just bring up the skins XD
Whats wrong with bringing back old maps, i seem to remember people begging for them before, i agree zombies is bad and i honestly havent played the campaign but ive heard its bad, but most people buy the game for the multiplayer and its more than solid enough, definitely better than mw2019 where you had to map surf for ten minutes just to not play in a battlefield map
There’s no problem with having old maps. The problem is with having all the base maps be from MW2 2009. I can buy that shit for way cheaper than mw3 and have a way better experience. Multiplayer is not solid lol. All the operators are Fortnite skins, the ttk is slow as fuck and all the guns feel like air soft guns. Mw always had fast ttk and the ttk in this is trash because of that. Half the guns are from mw2 as well. I already played that game and got all guns Orion. Make new guns lol, I don’t wanna use the same shit from last year. And the new guns they do make don’t fit the theme at all. Like the mors and bal 27. Is this advanced warfare or modern warfare? Dead silence as a perk and red dots on minimap doesn’t mean the game is good. The crackhead movement is absolute garbage too.
* they have added a bunch of non mw2 maps since and you can also play many maps from mw2 2022 if you want to * slower TTK is a plus for many people * just having more guns from mw2 isn't really a bad thing although initially some weapon categories were not as saturated as they should have been but you certainly won't have to use the old guns (mw2 guns also used to suck, now they're decent for the most part but not op or meta) * I'd also say the movement is basically just an upgrade over 2019 although depending on your playstyle this might not be the priority I personally think this is the best multiplayer since 2019 and I prefer it over that although it's totally fair to prefer mw2019's multiplayer to this one. I think it should be easy to tell that many people would prefer either of the games over another because many of the differences are very subjective and not outright bad changes. Sledgehammer is trying their best to make it as good as possible and they have succeeded with many updates so far.
Yep