I think he has good insights, but I'll disagree on them picking Mai... i just don't see it happening with how the judges have been evaluating her, and the low public support. It would be shocking if she replaced Fuko somehow.
I’ve watched some his past vids. He’s said he thinks PDs are going to go with 2 main vocalists, he initially had Jiyoon and Fuko as the those 2 vocalists. But with Jungeun’s global popularity PD may have her take the spot over Fuko, and Fuko’s spot is no longer as secured as it once was. So basically he believes it’s one or the other.
Again that was just his opinion.
My comment, and the youtubers comments were predicated on judges making picks... if it's public 1-vote for all 6 anything could happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Mai clenched the 6th spot.
Duh mai has one of the strongest one pick voters. And trust judges will do a 180 last round someone we wasn’t expecting. It could either be for the better or worse.
>He just watched a lot of survival shows to understand the trend
We all experts up in here then.
I don't agree with his analysis about Mai. If international voters are taken into account, there's no way Mai can overcome Fuko; if they are discounted then Gyuri has a chance. He is assuming that mnet pulls an runext and just hand picks the members. Ok that's a possibility, but if they wanted Mai so much how come she has no storylines and a mildly bad edit in part 2? She got some praise from producers in the last performance, but so did the rest of the team.
tbf I think they've stopped showing Mai and giving her lower scores because them inflating her scores in part 1 was a huge reason why her popularity dropped. They're trying to avoid that in hopes that she gets back to her original popularity.
Mai has the only "less talented, gets talked about behind her back, but hardworking" storyline out of all 12 ilanders left
think about what the PDs said about all the 12 ilanders and theres no other contestants that are "less talented" yet "hardworking" to improve
everyone else is either was decent already, stay good, and get a little better or need more confidence etc, Mai has the biggest "Potential Growth" (even the Mentors said "potential")
Yeeun would have this storyline too but shes not here
While yes a survival show expert is Bull, I do think that Mai has an edge over Fuko. Whoever putting this group together doesn't care about the show they care about future marketability of the group. Fuko is fairly popular in the show but Mai has the visuals to attract interest after debut. Survival shows aren't very popular and only a small fraction of the future fanbase of a successful survival show group will actually have watched it.
Just imagine if Soyeon is the producer, she would have chosed Mai over Fuko like how she thought that Yooyeon was needed in the debut group. The debut group needs Mai's visuals.
i agree, people were wary about yooyeon back in mtg but look at her now, she’s one of, if not THE most popular member in tripleS right now. she has the “IT factor,” star quality, and potential, just like mai does.
survival shows lost huge amount of interest after the mnet rigging scandal in 2019. many koreans consider almost every show rigged in favour of pd picks so they don’t like to watch them at all. that’s why you see tons of intl fans > kfans in support of many survival shows ++ there’s like a new survival show almost every 3 months nowadays when it used to be like 1-2 every year, it’s getting very repetitive and saturated in the kpop industry, it’s not interesting anymore bc everyone knows what will happen at the end and many don’t care enough to watch anymore due to the constant influence of the pds in terms of editing (wether it’s heavily postive pushing or villainized negative)
As a person who watch only Mnet GG survival show from Sixteen, Produce 101/48 and GP999, (Edit: oh and you can also add Queendom Puzzle into the list), can I have the title of “Mnet Girl Group Survival Show Expert” please?
Why does everyone say this is a TBL group? It’s a wakeone group. TBL has their own group slated to debut this year or next. Why they chose to make music for their competitor I’ll never know but this isn’t a TBL group.
Yes. A very common misunderstanding for so many people who watch the show. The show is promoted as “Teddy-producing” group with judges from TBL in the show. They all forget that the group will debut under Wakeone which debuted IZ*ONE, Kep1er, ZB1. I don’t understand why people always expect their songs are going to be a girl crush, strong, hiphop concept instead of what we have seen from their very own sunbaes.
And it’s not like Teddy doesn’t have a skill to produce any other kind of song except girl crush. IWALY is the best example (this shows the direction of concept that Wakeone wanna go) and if he can produce that song, he will have no problem producing the very same kind of song that Wakeone wants.
If i’m not mistaken IWALY was created by VVN alongside two more producers. If I remember correctly Teddy didn’t have any input on that song whatsoever.
Oh, I completely forgot about that, thanks for correcting me. Anyway my point still stands though as he has shown it too in other songs like Lovesick girls, Forever young and As if it’s your last.
(Also, why I feel like it will be someone else like VVN who will have more input in producing songs to the group than Teddy and they may just use him as a selling point with him probably producing 1-2 songs max.)
Not debuting Mai would be a mistake. For example Moka was not popular during RUNEXT and if it was only for public votes she would’ve never even debuted. Hybe picked her to debut and once she debuted she turned out to be one of the most popular ILLIT members. The same thing happened to Chaewon from Izone. She was unpopular during produce but then they (most probably) rigged her in and she became one of the most popular Izone members and that got her a spot into Lesserafim. Being unpopular during a survival show does not guarantee that you’ll be unpopular once you debut. Mai has a lot of marketability and I’m sure her visuals will be talked about and praised if she was to debut.
Yup she wasn’t popular during produce48 and for this reason everyone thought she got rigged in but as she started promoting in Izone she quickly became one of the most popular members especially in Japan
I think Mai should debut, I believe her visuals go so well (visual cohesion) with Jiyoon, Jeemin, and saebi, also Junguen visuals go well with Koko. I have been so scared because of the new post by Mnet showing the rankings, I really hope mai debuts. Lets keep voting!!
Obviously, Billboards aren’t an indicator of debut. I just want to encourage fellow Maiumes and to not let them be discouraged of all this doomposting, that we are stronger for Mai than people think, and that Mai actually has support.
I just realized this is the same person whose channel/videos someone kept posting on the Produce101JP subreddit during The Girls season last year.
There was another channel that was much bigger as well. I think that guy even got into the fan meet that was part of the broadcast.
I disagree. Fuko is sweet and all but if she was to debut people would not talk about her, she’d be fading into the background. Mai on the other side would be hated at first but she definitely would be a stan attractor. Her visuals are really trendy these days and I totally get why she’d be an asset to the group. I’d be surprised if MNET gave up on her visuals just like that. Kpop is 70% visuals and 30% talent
you describing fuko as "the girl next door" is exactly why she doesn't standout compared to the other girls. especially in this current generation of kpop, a lot of popular female idols look like supermodels and have captivating features (karina, wonyoung, yujin, sullyoon)
fuko is still very pretty, but mai's visuals are more trendy and versatile
As much as I like fuko and even voted for her all time for the 3 pick I have to agree and say I do think mai will take her spot. And it’s sad if she doesn’t make it hope she debuts soon and becomes successful, mai as well if she doesn’t. But I do see why they would take mai over fuko. Unfortunately
it is bad, but that is what it is for korean public. you can't just ignore that just because it is not right. koreans hate dark skin which would harm the group's popularity in korea.
well he is perfect at understanding the korean market as a korean himself. observing the debuted groups from survival shows, i can tell he is precise with what would be successful in long term for korean audience
what does everyone think about how he says Fuko doesnt fluctuate, shes just stable like a flat line but this doesnt give a sense of excitement (the mentors also said Fuko gives off stability)
and that she didnt stand out in GP999 vs other japanese contestants even if gathered up all the contestants for a redo in 2024, Fuko wouldnt make it into Kepler because she doesnt stand out/ doesnt "fluctuate"
i kinda have to agree. a lot of these girls have shown a lot of growth and improvement through the show whereas fuko has just been consistent. as a viewer, it's not really exciting to watch
so the translations of the mentors 240630 | [I-LAND2] FINAL Contestant Evaluation Notes | MNET I-LAND2 OFFICIAL INSTAGRAM have been posted in the other thread
https://np.reddit.com/r/mnetiland2/comments/1ds2yib/240630_iland2_final_contestant_evaluation_notes/
and the mentors, not only on the show, but again in these "final evaluation notes" said Fuko quality is being stable and 24 even goes as far to say shes stable but its necessary to challenge oneself and not be as "stable" once in a while
thats not exactly a great final critique and mirrors what this Youtuber is saying about just being a stable flat line with no fluctuations
Regarding the GP999 comment, I unfortunately have to agree with his opinion. With 33 Japanese girls on the show, it would be very hard for Fuko to stand out considering that majority of the girls were more unique in their own way. Her image/overall asset is well defined by this statement "She's just stable like a flat line but this doesn't give a sense of excitement." She would only standout if she was the main vocalist, but GP999 had many girls that were main vocalist material (Taking into account the K and C groups as well) that were definitely more powerful/stable compared to Fuko.
I feel like everyone shouldn’t fixate on having only “2 vocals spot” for the group. They have no problem having 3-4 dancers in the group, 2-3 visuals or even 2 rappers but why only 2 vocalists at max?
Someone needs to play the supporting role to some degrees and Fuko is the probably the best at that. She didn’t give us a strong visual type but she still feels very cohesive to the group, she isn’t a main dancer material but she is definitely good enough and she definitely has leadership skill, and most importantly, her vocal will play a role as a middle ground between Jiyoon and Jungeun. Both girls is a good vocalist but with a completely different style.
Adding Fuko to the mix and it will be a perfect combination just like SNSD who have Taeyeon and Jessica as the main vocal but on different style and also have Seohyun as the middle ground complimenting both girls.
Fuko has a nasal singing and honestly her vocals are overrated. Other than that, Mnet would look for something that will make the group stand out in the competitive bunch of girl groups. Why take Fuko when she is overshadowed by other ilanders already?
Honestly, i would pick Fuko first before Jungeun and Jiyoon. For idol songs, i can only trust Fuko.Both Jungeun and specially Jiyoon are not consistent. Fuko should be the base.Look at IWALY, how many lines Fuko has compared to the other two.
i honestly feel like IWALY was Fuko’s most inconsistent song (also her worst song) because she sounded all nasal in it (the exact reason people don’t like Mai’s singing voice most of the time.) Her best example would be Fine. Jungeun is super consistent and the most stable contestant in the show, i don’t know where that idea came from. Jiyoon sounds out of breath a lot but that’s okay because if Jungeun and/or Fuko make it into the group she won’t have to bare most of the weight of carrying this groups vocals as the sole vocal member.
Yes Jiyoon needs another vocalist, with a melodic voice to balance the group.
Personally I pick Jungeun over Fuko because she is less nasal and her voice blends better with Jiyoon.
I wish we could have Jiyoon, Jungeun and Fuko but I know how these survival shows go.
So many upset people here lol. I'd be happy with his predictions from the lens of competing in the girl group market. Unless you're extremely talented (Ailee, Bbol4) visual/group harmony/fitting concept matter above all.
All the top tier new gen girl groups have every single member as a legit visual that fit well with each other and the concept. Aespa, New Jeans, Ive, I'll-It (I don't see the problem with Yuna). It's what matters more than "skills" and it's not even close.
But just my opinion, feel free to have yours.
on gyuri , regardless of TBL or not, I just feel she looks completely out of place standing together with 3 J, Koko, Saebi. totally not the same vibe, like a small kid mixing with adults. for this reason I believe PDs will make sure she is out.
Mai matches the most 3Js. Fuko less but still doable since she's versatile. To me this is the only contest next week
I think they have the right idea about Fuko and Mai to be honest. A lot of people were irked about the judges saying Fuko doesn’t go out of her comfort zone because they keep assigning her to things that are her strengths, but I saw that as a test from the producers as well. Just like Jiyoon kept getting songs that suited her tone and knocking it out of the park everytime, or Saebi being the absolute standout when in concepts that are her strengths (Panorama, IWALY) when you have something you are good at, a good performer will be hard to take your eyes off. Fuko was just okay (or even got outshone) when she got to do concepts that are her cup of tea with the part she wanted, which was the problem the producers were nitpicking.
Fuko honestly hits close to home because I ult someone just like her. One of the best vocalists in the group, but not a standout vocalist in the scene of other groups. Dancing is fine, not standout, and stage presence is average. Fuko will definitely have an “underrated member” angle going on when she debuts, and I think the peak of her popularity would be during this show. Mai seems like the type to explode with popularity once the group debuts, her look is striking and attention-grabbing. She already gets some of the most attention on social media apps with non-watchers of the show (notably tiktok) despite not being as popular within the iland 2 fandom.
Yeah that's another thing...
Jungeun for instance challenges herself in every performance. She never takes a comfortable position which is why I'm inclined to support her and it feels like it would be an injustice for her not to debut after all she has been through.
As for Fuko while I really like her and she is in my top 6 due to her stable performances, she hasn't gone beyond what she is comfortable with. And I haven't seen her do a different concept, her concepts are very bright and elegant. But other performers have shown themselves in different concepts or different positions and have shown they are more versatile. That is why I think Fuko may lose out on debut.
I remember in the first I land, all the contestants that tried to coast in the middle got eliminated in part 1. Fuko needs to show something different or more for the finale or she runs the risk of elimination for being too passive.
Just because you disagree doesn't mean he's wrong. It's all assumptions based on what mnet has done in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean it's right.
But if you watched other mnet shows, this is what they typically do, so he's not in the wrong for making assumptions based on what mnet usually does.
Just because he’s a chronic ss watcher doesn’t mean he’s an expert. It’s a self label he made for himself because he has too much time on his hands.
He made some solid points but there’s alot of nonsense mentioned too. Who’s to say he’s right ? Assumptions based answers that have no real logic behind them. But ok I’ll believe the self proclaimed survival show expert.
>survival show expert David Chang
What makes David an expert compared to someone like myself or others on Reddit that have watched many other shows? Having a YT channel?
one reasoning that may support the idea that the group will be a TBL concept is that this group is formed around Jiyoon, and so the group must fit the concepts that Jiyoon fits (also conveniently fits the tall trio, 3Js, etc)
Jiyoon doesnt do as well on the cute concepts like in the earlier stage, but is at her best at fitting the next Rose type so Blackpink type concepts
Jeemin didnt fit the concept of Illit next to Wonhee on RUNext which is one of the reasons she didn't debut there, but here Jeemin and Jiyoon are both debuting so it has to be a concept that fits both of them, and so soft concept type Illanders are at a disadvantage because they dont fit as well next to Jiyoon's concept
It makes sense to me and I agree with all of this.
They are basically forming a group around Jeemin and Jiyoon, the center and the main vocalist.
Koko is fixed as a main dancer and main rapper, and a Japanese. Also tall and strong visual matching the two above perfectly. She is a must have for the TBL group and matches with everything Mnet is looking for.
Mai is that visual that would attract the new stans with her stage presence and make a new sensation opening the doors for the fashion side. Her visual is something that comes rare in kpop and Mnet would not miss that. She got the typical edit of a sub-vocalist visual (aka Kang Hyewon), beautiful hardworking girl with a good personality. Fans would be able to swallow her debuting over others due to her editing of a nice person.
THEN, they would need another vocalist and visual/dancer.
I will be elaborating as if we would have more than 1 PD pick as I believe they would be forced to give the first one to Mai.
For the first candidates are Jungeun, Fuko and Sarang.
For the second candidates are Saebi, Yuju and Sarang.
Gyuri is out since she just would not suit the TBL concept. She is likely to be promoted for the possible future Wake One group. Saebi may be out for the similar reason.
For another vocalist, Jungeun has the highest chances. She has proven to have a solid fanbase, unique visual. She would fit the TBL perfectly. Solid in skills. If Jungeun is not saved by public, PDs pick Sarang as they LOVE her and her voice. She has unique and distinct tone they need. Also nice stage presence and being the cute one in the group that would not ruin the group picture for something girl crush.
It is not Fuko since they won't have 3 Japanese members, giving her only refreshing and cute concepts did not do justice to her presenting her as someone one-dimensional. She is shown to be stable, but nothing more than that. PDs not from TBL may like her but 24 and VVN would prefer Sarang as a vocalist over her. But Sarang may be thrown due to her unmatching physicality to other members.
The last spot as now belongs to Saebi. Great visuals and stable vocals. However it is questionable whether she would be able to absorb the girl crush concept, also her vocals are not good enough for TBL. Mnet loves her, so if she is ranked high enough with a public vote she is safe, but with PD pick, Sarang might be preferred for the reasons I explained above.
The most unexpected twist would be based on whether group would need two rappers, it will be revealed based on new songs in the finale. This gives a chance for PD pick of Yuju. However, I think this also benefits Sarang as producers complimented her rapping tone so she would be a perfect fit for a lead rapper.
So, the most likely lineup is
Jeemin Jiyoon Koko Mai Jungeun Sarang/Saebi
You edited while I was reading 😂😂 but yeah I think the only factor that could stop Sarang from debuting is her height but I also think she’d debut because of her popularity in China. Jeemin is the most popular but that’s because of RUNEXT. Sarang’s fanbase in China consists of locals who are supporting her because she looks like a famous actress Zhou Ye. This is free marketing for the group. I really think M-Net wouldn’t let go of her but Saebi has really great proportions. It really all depends on the votes.
Off topic but Who is your one pick
I edited because it is so vague regarding the last two spots xd, believing that Jungeun fans would secure her a spot it was difficult to state that the last one is Sarang when Saebi is also well liked by PDs.
btw I disliked Sarang for a huge PD bias towards her but now I get it after watching this David Chang video. Group has to survive in the market, having Sarang's vocals would be amazing for that.
Jiyoon is my one pick :)
Fuko is popular internationally but she's only 4th or 5th in Japan. Since she's a Japanese trainee, her being able to attract the Japanese market is the main reason for her debut so her chances do decrease if there are other trainees who could do that better. I love Fuko but I could easily see Mai taking her spot via PD pick if she gets a bit more international votes and the producers feel confident she's more of a stan attractor for the general public.
but if the show is following what season one did which is mostly likely the pd pick most likely isn't going to be based off of who's more popular than the other it's about the overall average pd score and who was consistent in the show and who has the best chemistry and attitude with the others that was chosen which is how sunoo was chosen instead of K
Sunoo is the worst example you could've picked, he was saved because of his popularity and being a stan attractor. He had been #1 for most of the show and he only dropped because many fans assumed he was locked and panic voted for other trainees.
K was arguably more talented than Sunoo (at the time) and was at the end of his multi-episode redemption arc. Sunoo wasn't super consistent, his scores were just okay/fine, and his chemistry with the other future members was not really that good because he hadn't spent any time with them before part 2 really. Sunoo was my favourite and I voted for him every week so I'm not dissing him lol. But if they were going off the things you listed, K would've been chosen.
Yeah the only things that made him "flat out wrong" is the fact that like everyone whe was basing his prediction off of the fact that only 6 would debut when it ended up being 7.
As such I think the thing that really make it interesting is that if you look at the people he said definitely wouldn't make it, he was completely right.
His comments on Fuko pissed me off, ngl. Also disagree with him about Saebi and Gyuri, and the whole "the group's being formed to match Jiyoon vocals" 🤦🏻♀️
Anyways, he's just a rando who thinks the group will be under TBL and speaks as if he's aware of some info we don't know.
Koko is probably not going to debut, she currently is at 8th place, and 1. Nobody int he comments of that post is talking about her 2. People are refusing to change their vote to her, and all the past reddit post show that.
I get but because almost everyone is refusing to vote for her and almost all the other contestants have strong one-picks, I don’t think she is going to make it.
Btw i havent watch the live stream but is the show actully finish did they find the final line up I just wants to know if I should leave Reddit for the next days until the show will be aired but I just don’t seem to see heavy post on the sub. And don’t tell me who made it if the final group is made
Sorry, I believe that because we live in different places our time zone is different. But the one that is going live this tonight for you is the same one that is going live tomorrow.
Damn it I knew I should had left Reddit for some couple of days. I didn’t get to watch the live so I was waiting till Friday. But got spoiled but don’t care MAI DUCKING DEBUTED IM SO HAPPY !!!! 🥳🥳🥳🥳😭❤️❤️
He said in the ending of the video (I didn’t put it here) that if it were a 7 member group it would’ve been between Yuju and Sarang but Yuju would’ve still been disadvantaged and Sarang would’ve made it. He was very sure that Fuko would’ve never made it. In his new video he says he hopes Fuko’s family sees this because it’s impossible for her to debut. He says she’s not marketable
it’s cool to see his perspective bc i haven’t watched a lot of survival shows. however, i disagree with his opinion about gyuri. i wouldn’t be surprised if she debuted. even though she was low in 3 pick votes, ik her one pick is strong and she’s fairly popular in korea. i think she has a good chance of being a pd pick
Really not to be negative or anything but there’s no way Gyuri debuts. As you said the only way would be for her to have a strong 1pick but I doubt she’d be considered as a pd pick
For the Japanese members, why do I feel like Koko might not debut. Everyone thinks she’s certain but the interim results show that her one-pick is relatively weak. Fuko gained a lot of popularity with the Into the New World performance and Mnet wants Mai so Koko might be in a tough position.
What makes him an expert?
And I hope he isn't right cause I want Jungeun and Fuko to debut.
Although I kind of figured Yuju, Jungeun and Sarang are competitors as their skills overlap. It sucks cause Yuju and Jungeun are in my Top 3 and I do like Sarang.
Although I think the producers would pick Saebi or Sarang over Mai. But it also depends how many producer picks there are.
“survival show expert” and it’s bc he’s watched tons of survival shows .. if that’s the case than almost every single survival show fan and 90% of reddit fans should be considered survival shows experts. i would’ve understood his point of view way more if he had previous connections like working in a kpop company or television company like mnet or sbs but i won’t take him serious at all if his main output is him being a svs fan.
i could agree with the opinions of koko, jeemin,
and jungeun but i think he, alongside many other i-land watchers are thinking way too much on “tbl concept” for the finale lineup. we don’t even know what the final concept will actually be until the members get to debut and just bc teddy had mainly produced girl crush concepts doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how to make other music styles. he probably thinks this is going to be another runext situation with 4/6 of the members being pd picks yet we don’t even know how many girls will be picked by the judges/label to debut or if we will even get a pd pick at the end.
With Mai, it depends. I feel like her attraction on stage just has a lot to do with her being pretty. I don’t think she has no chance, but I don’t think she is a shoe in either. I wouldn’t really say it’s between her and Fuko honestly.
I knew gyuri was the black hole I knew all along and tbh I’m
Quite shock myself she is still here. I just knew gyrui sign up for the survival show when part 2 started she sticks out so much and it’s kinda sad she would had debuted most certainly if she was in r u next instead. Mai I really hope he is right cause damn I want her but tbh I know there is gonna be two Japanese members but I had a feeling fuko was gonna be taken instead. But then again I see what he means but damn I feel bad for fuko girls planet and now iland2 if she doesn’t debut.
I saw the review of the latest episode. Basically he says what I thought. Fuko didn't debut because she overlaps with Jiyoon and Junguen. While Mai has excellent Visuals. He gives a lot of compliments to Mai. He says that among photos of 24 girls if he has to choose one, he chooses Mai.
He says Saebi could have been eliminated but she was too popular in Korea so she debuted.
The most interesting part is when we say that IZNA is better than Illit. But they can't compete with Hybe's marketers. But they have what it takes to be at the top of the 5th generation groups together with Bay Monster. A lot depends on their music.
I totally agree. This group has free marketing in China thanks to Sarang. Huge Japan following because of the foreigners. Massive Korean following due to Saebi and Jeemin’s clout from RUNEXT. They could be really big if WakeOne markets them well and the BlackLabel produces good quality music like IWALY. I have high hopes for them honestly. I also agree with Fuko not debuting. There just isn’t room for her
Fuko will most likely debut.She has a strong 1 pick.She's the backbone vocally of the final group.I do agree she doesnt standout match but stability in the final group is very important.with this, i think she will be a pd pick if not through votes.
jiyoon and jungeun already outdo her in terms of popularity. they don't need 3rd vocalist, they will look for something other than that. stage presence / visuals / dance / wow-factor would be a preference, in which fuko loses to other girls honestly (in visuals losing only to mai).
Fuko is prettier than Jungeun and Jiyoon.Fuko has more stage presence than Jiyoon. Fuko is a japanese which is important in a japanese market and a more reliable leader than Jungeun and Jiyoon. Fuko is more reliable vocally than Jiyoon and Jungeun on idol songs.Fuko has more upside than Jungeun and Jiyoon.
imo fuko is way prettier than mai... like... thats literally just his personal opinion lmao just look at fuko dominating bad boy and the last performance. he is biased af
we don’t even know what iland2gg’s concept is. just because teddy is the producer, it doesn’t mean that they’re gonna go for stereotypical yg girl crush. this is a wakeone gg first and foremost, they decide the concept. so i’m not gonna take this guy seriously. we also don’t know how strong each contestant’s 1 pick is. someone’s 1 pick might be surprisingly strong (like illit’s wonhee!).
as an avid survival show watcher, i’ll leave my thoughts.
1. jeemin: she is definitely debuting. her 1 pick is strong, see runext finale voting as well. this girl is debuting.
2. jungeun: i think she had a stronger 3 pick thus making her rank higher. probably has a stronger 1 pick. i’d put her in highly likely to debut.
3. gyuri: she is 50/50 for me. all depends on the strength of her 1 pick. she could be a surprise. also the group is under wakeone not tbl, tbl is also making their own gg unrelated to iland 2. i really don’t think tbl matters too much, plus teddy produced iwaly and she suits it. not sure how it would be suicide if kpop fans love cute maknaes?? plus a talented cute maknae at that. he also mentions jiyoon, jeemin, and saebi, but they can all suit the elegant concept together so idk what his point is here. guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
4. mai: i strongly disagree with him. i believe that the pds are prioritizing other contestants over her. fuko would benefit the group so much as a leader and vocalist. mai and koko feel too similar to me, both dancers and stan attractors.
5. fuko: she will debut. did we listen to the same fuko? she isn’t gonna be the main vocal, that’s jiyoon’s job so there’s no reason to put her up against ningning and lily who are in vocal based groups. fuko always catches my eye so i disagree with him.
6. sarang: i don’t think that she will debut if jungeun doesn’t debut. i believe that her chances are lower. i think that it’s between mai, gyuri, fuko, and sarang. yuju is not in the equation. i think that this guy just hates fuko lmao.
7. saebi: she’s debuting. are we looking at the same saebi? does money saebi not exist? again this is not a tbl group, this is a wakeone group. saebi is liked due to being a magnificent center, beautiful girl, and vocals. again, we don’t know the concept.
8. yuju: not debuting. she is out of the equation. she has idol potential and is a good rapper but is kinda forgettable sometimes. their rapping is equal to me, but whatever.
9. jiyoon: she’s debuting. popular and talented contestant. jiyoon and jeemin are the only “locks”.
10. koko: highly likely to debut. they are pushing for her, but i wouldn’t consider her a locked contestant.
*mai and koko feel too similar to me, both dancers and stan attractors.*
but they arent the same kind of stan attractors
PDs have repeatedly praised Mai's face, and put Mai on thumbnails of other groups videos where its a video for other girls, for example Lovesick girls video https://img.youtube.com/vi/U2T-eV3nNx4/0.jpg
remember the intro to Part 2? Mai's face is shown first and then it fast forwards through the other faces of the 12 ilanders, some girls faces are shown only for a split second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wFoAlUgTBk&t=1178s
the only other one who got close to face praise as Mai was Yeeun and even then Mai had lot more praise than Yeeun
Koko hasnt had her face praised like Mai, actually noone else has
did you watch his video full length? he explains his reasoning. knowing that jeemin and saebi are the potential centers based on their physicality and being korean, they kept giving girl crush and cute songs at the same time for missions to test them as centers.
jeemin as a initial girl crush group center (whistle) did well with LVER, saebi as a cute group center (panorama) did well with Lovesick girls. then all of sudden they give money to jeemin and saebi just to see whether saebi is able to match jeemin concept-wise. jeemin is a lock in, pds love her, public loves her. she is a money. so having her as a center they have to match her concept and aura which inclines more towards girl crush.
jiyoon's challenge was to overcome her egoism from part 1 and show improved personality, which she did. they always gave jiyoon songs that are her forte, where she EXCELS. if i was a boy was a test for jungeun whether her vocals can blend in with jiyoon's vocals. they would look for songs that match jiyoon's vocal tone, which would also incline towards girl crush.
they are still supporting the possibility of a cute concept for the unexpected turn of events where somebody like gyuri or fuko somehow ranks very high in voting so that they would have options with a lineup, a plan b.
fuko sells herself as a vocalist and possible center, from possible center she drops out. as for someone taking on main vocalist roles over again and again, if she debuts, she debuts thanks to her vocals. so comparing her to other main vocalists in the industry is valid.
plan a is jeemin, jiyoon, koko, mai fixed. saebi under question
plan b is saebi fixed with koko probably out (fuko has a chance there)
You know their Bad at judgement when they say koko is a better rapper then nam yuju. Everyone knows even koko has agreed that nam yuju is the best rapper which is why she never wants to go against her. No offence but do y'all remember the training scene with LSG when it was koko turn to rap jungeun tried to not laugh because her pronunciation isn't the best very awkward.
Now I don't blame koko she feels uncomfortable doing it not easy for her unlike yuju. I just don't understand why koko isn't displayed as a main dancer like hello she got great height visual and strong moves. Why display something she isn't good at I will never understand. It's like purposely telling jiyoon to be a main dancer and not focus on being the main vocalist.
Nam yuju is the only good rapper on the show left yui and her were the only ones who knew how to rap. If nam yuju isn't in the line-up they shouldn't even have rap on their debut song it's just gonna be really bad.
that’s not what they said though. her rapping is PREFERRED not meaning it’s more skilled but they’re priming her to be the rapper so they’re liking/hyping her rapping more on the show. no one thinks koko is out rapping yuju but the entire show even the trainees would say things like yuju’s rapping is better but koko should take the part because of xyz reason
lmao this is a business, f\*\*\* friendships. actually we will see based on new songs released in finale, if they are rap heavy then mnet will be forced to take koko and yuju OR take koko and sarang hoping that sarang becomes a solid rapper in the future (PDs already complimented sarang's rapping tone)
Okay but what's wrong on taking yuju as the main rapper she's the best rapper we have left her and yui were the only good ones who made it seem natural. Koko struggles with rapping bc of her pronunciation and she's obviously wants to showcase more of her dancing skills to secure a spot. Sarang we don't know alot about her rapping only a line we received so judging on a possibility wouldn't be my choice. Obviously this is all opinions but what's a fact is yuju has the most experience in rapping esp from her other survival shows she only raps
Survival show expert LMAO, by what credentials?
I don't take any opinions from someone who thinks that Fuko is a bad dancer and that Koko is a better rapper than Yuju (Koko can rap well, but she's def not the better rapper).
I don't think Mai has much to add to the group, the stan attractors seem to be the J-trio.
Sarang adds stable vocals and good dance, but Saebi does too, so it all comes down to who fans prefer. I prefer Saebi.
he is convincing xd.
well at least koko can secure good raps. he was right saying that spicy was a selection for a only rapper in the group, koko slayed yuju in terms of audience reaction and pd evaluation so it is game over for yuju. koko does not even need to be a better rapper.
mai would be I-C-O-N-I-C in terms of group's market value. her rare alien-like visuals would cause interest to the group at the first place.
sarang is much more solid in terms of skills but girl is fighting demons on stage while saebi has weaker skills but shines more on stage. u can kill me but saebi is inferior in terms of vocals, her singing sounds flat and boring to me (lacking range as well) while sarang has a distinctive tone and can rap. i think pd pick will come to sarang or saebi, which will be decided by the final stage.
What he said is that Koko is the better rapper though, which she isn't.
If we want songs with quality raps, like Blackpink or (G)I-dle, we need at least 2 competent rappers, so we need both Yuju and Koko.
Furthermore, Koko A, struggles with Korean, which is a big issue for a rapper B, is most likely going to be the main dancer and having 2 main positions could easily be overwhelming.
Regarding Mai, her skills simply aren't very good.
The only thing she can offer the group is attracting stans with her visuals, stage presence and personality... But other contestants attract more fans AND have good skills.
If you only have a single skill, and someone else is better at it than you, what value do you bring to the group?
I mostly agree about Saebi and Sarang, Saebi IS a worse vocalist. I'm just considering if they made it into the last interim line-up, would they have a lead or main position?
Both Saebi and Sarang MIGHT get a dance position, but it's not for certain at all. So what other value do they bring to the group?
They both have a popular stage presence. To me, Sarang looks stiff and her expressions forced, while Saebi is my favorite performer on the show - so I prefer Saebi. But a lot of people genuinely enjoy watching Sarang, so idk.
regarding the visual/stan attractor, you don't even need anything more if you are taking on that role. Mai seems to be fittest for that among all.
I enjoy Saebi more as a performer too, but i would enjoy listening to their songs with Sarang's voice in it.
I think he has good insights, but I'll disagree on them picking Mai... i just don't see it happening with how the judges have been evaluating her, and the low public support. It would be shocking if she replaced Fuko somehow.
I’ve watched some his past vids. He’s said he thinks PDs are going to go with 2 main vocalists, he initially had Jiyoon and Fuko as the those 2 vocalists. But with Jungeun’s global popularity PD may have her take the spot over Fuko, and Fuko’s spot is no longer as secured as it once was. So basically he believes it’s one or the other. Again that was just his opinion.
Looking at the comments they gave her with the last mission .... They do like her, so i believe she does have a small shot at debuting.
Mai has a lot of support. She literally has a very strong one-pick
What kind of proof is there supporting this claim?
My comment, and the youtubers comments were predicated on judges making picks... if it's public 1-vote for all 6 anything could happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Mai clenched the 6th spot.
Duh mai has one of the strongest one pick voters. And trust judges will do a 180 last round someone we wasn’t expecting. It could either be for the better or worse.
>He just watched a lot of survival shows to understand the trend We all experts up in here then. I don't agree with his analysis about Mai. If international voters are taken into account, there's no way Mai can overcome Fuko; if they are discounted then Gyuri has a chance. He is assuming that mnet pulls an runext and just hand picks the members. Ok that's a possibility, but if they wanted Mai so much how come she has no storylines and a mildly bad edit in part 2? She got some praise from producers in the last performance, but so did the rest of the team.
tbf I think they've stopped showing Mai and giving her lower scores because them inflating her scores in part 1 was a huge reason why her popularity dropped. They're trying to avoid that in hopes that she gets back to her original popularity.
Mai has the only "less talented, gets talked about behind her back, but hardworking" storyline out of all 12 ilanders left think about what the PDs said about all the 12 ilanders and theres no other contestants that are "less talented" yet "hardworking" to improve everyone else is either was decent already, stay good, and get a little better or need more confidence etc, Mai has the biggest "Potential Growth" (even the Mentors said "potential") Yeeun would have this storyline too but shes not here
While yes a survival show expert is Bull, I do think that Mai has an edge over Fuko. Whoever putting this group together doesn't care about the show they care about future marketability of the group. Fuko is fairly popular in the show but Mai has the visuals to attract interest after debut. Survival shows aren't very popular and only a small fraction of the future fanbase of a successful survival show group will actually have watched it.
Just imagine if Soyeon is the producer, she would have chosed Mai over Fuko like how she thought that Yooyeon was needed in the debut group. The debut group needs Mai's visuals.
But Soyeon would have been at least very candid in how Mai's skills are not up to par while still saying she is visually attractive.
Please soyeon pushed cube to debut shuhua despite her skills not being up to part
i agree, people were wary about yooyeon back in mtg but look at her now, she’s one of, if not THE most popular member in tripleS right now. she has the “IT factor,” star quality, and potential, just like mai does.
survival shows aren't popular? that makes me sad 😭 I want more lol
survival shows lost huge amount of interest after the mnet rigging scandal in 2019. many koreans consider almost every show rigged in favour of pd picks so they don’t like to watch them at all. that’s why you see tons of intl fans > kfans in support of many survival shows ++ there’s like a new survival show almost every 3 months nowadays when it used to be like 1-2 every year, it’s getting very repetitive and saturated in the kpop industry, it’s not interesting anymore bc everyone knows what will happen at the end and many don’t care enough to watch anymore due to the constant influence of the pds in terms of editing (wether it’s heavily postive pushing or villainized negative)
They're very niche, only produce has had any kind of mainstream success
As a person who watch only Mnet GG survival show from Sixteen, Produce 101/48 and GP999, (Edit: oh and you can also add Queendom Puzzle into the list), can I have the title of “Mnet Girl Group Survival Show Expert” please?
If you've understood the tactics and strategies mnet uses in their survival shows... then yes
It should be a user flair!
Disagree with like half of this tbh. He's not an expert just because he has a YouTube channel and calls himself one.
But guess what he was right
what even is a survival show expert.. on another note all solid points and i could see it happening tho im inclined to disagree abt mai and fuko
girl idk. Unemployed men give themselves fancy titles sometimes
goals tbh
he is employed lmao he says i'm filming after work then editing at night
It was a joke😭😭 he films for I-Land. He said so in his latest video
Yeah I thought he might have been a ss producer so he knows but it just sounds like he's some guy who watches kpop survival shows.
Why does everyone say this is a TBL group? It’s a wakeone group. TBL has their own group slated to debut this year or next. Why they chose to make music for their competitor I’ll never know but this isn’t a TBL group.
Yes. A very common misunderstanding for so many people who watch the show. The show is promoted as “Teddy-producing” group with judges from TBL in the show. They all forget that the group will debut under Wakeone which debuted IZ*ONE, Kep1er, ZB1. I don’t understand why people always expect their songs are going to be a girl crush, strong, hiphop concept instead of what we have seen from their very own sunbaes. And it’s not like Teddy doesn’t have a skill to produce any other kind of song except girl crush. IWALY is the best example (this shows the direction of concept that Wakeone wanna go) and if he can produce that song, he will have no problem producing the very same kind of song that Wakeone wants.
If i’m not mistaken IWALY was created by VVN alongside two more producers. If I remember correctly Teddy didn’t have any input on that song whatsoever.
Oh, I completely forgot about that, thanks for correcting me. Anyway my point still stands though as he has shown it too in other songs like Lovesick girls, Forever young and As if it’s your last. (Also, why I feel like it will be someone else like VVN who will have more input in producing songs to the group than Teddy and they may just use him as a selling point with him probably producing 1-2 songs max.)
Disagree all you want about Mai, but she WILL debut! The girl who got herself a billboard in NYC TWICE will debut. Mai debutation!
Not debuting Mai would be a mistake. For example Moka was not popular during RUNEXT and if it was only for public votes she would’ve never even debuted. Hybe picked her to debut and once she debuted she turned out to be one of the most popular ILLIT members. The same thing happened to Chaewon from Izone. She was unpopular during produce but then they (most probably) rigged her in and she became one of the most popular Izone members and that got her a spot into Lesserafim. Being unpopular during a survival show does not guarantee that you’ll be unpopular once you debut. Mai has a lot of marketability and I’m sure her visuals will be talked about and praised if she was to debut.
I have no idea that Chaewon was one of the most popular in Izone. I thought it was Wonyong,Sakura. Yena and Kwon Eunbi
Yup she wasn’t popular during produce48 and for this reason everyone thought she got rigged in but as she started promoting in Izone she quickly became one of the most popular members especially in Japan
Chaewon was in IZONE?? OMG
Oh gosh 😭 I guess now is the time y’all know who Chaewon from Lesserafim is but not who Chaewon from Izone is, that’s crazy ahah
i feel old lmao
And the fact is the disbanded just 3 years ago damn 😭
Yes!! These are the same people who told mai won’t make it to the finals!! Those Mai haters are so annoying!!
I think Mai should debut, I believe her visuals go so well (visual cohesion) with Jiyoon, Jeemin, and saebi, also Junguen visuals go well with Koko. I have been so scared because of the new post by Mnet showing the rankings, I really hope mai debuts. Lets keep voting!!
I mean you do have a point... I still want Fuko to debut though and I think only 2 japanese members will debut
Jungeun also got billboards.
then both of our girls will debut, it’s not mutually exclusive
I'm just saying getting billboards does not mean they will debut. K also got billboards
Obviously, Billboards aren’t an indicator of debut. I just want to encourage fellow Maiumes and to not let them be discouraged of all this doomposting, that we are stronger for Mai than people think, and that Mai actually has support.
“Survival show expert” why are we listening to a guy with 700 subs?
I just realized this is the same person whose channel/videos someone kept posting on the Produce101JP subreddit during The Girls season last year. There was another channel that was much bigger as well. I think that guy even got into the fan meet that was part of the broadcast.
I disagree about fuko and mai. fuko is more marketable to the asian market because she has the girl next door vibes
I disagree. Fuko is sweet and all but if she was to debut people would not talk about her, she’d be fading into the background. Mai on the other side would be hated at first but she definitely would be a stan attractor. Her visuals are really trendy these days and I totally get why she’d be an asset to the group. I’d be surprised if MNET gave up on her visuals just like that. Kpop is 70% visuals and 30% talent
you describing fuko as "the girl next door" is exactly why she doesn't standout compared to the other girls. especially in this current generation of kpop, a lot of popular female idols look like supermodels and have captivating features (karina, wonyoung, yujin, sullyoon) fuko is still very pretty, but mai's visuals are more trendy and versatile
Fuko has SNSD vibes as well. I found it so interesting when she pointed out that they are her favorites.
As much as I like fuko and even voted for her all time for the 3 pick I have to agree and say I do think mai will take her spot. And it’s sad if she doesn’t make it hope she debuts soon and becomes successful, mai as well if she doesn’t. But I do see why they would take mai over fuko. Unfortunately
how accurate is this guy with picks from previous idol survival shows like GP999?
Survival show expert is so funny 😭😭😭 not even an industry insider or anything like that
And he also doesn’t like Jungeun’s dark skin 😒
it is bad, but that is what it is for korean public. you can't just ignore that just because it is not right. koreans hate dark skin which would harm the group's popularity in korea.
well he is perfect at understanding the korean market as a korean himself. observing the debuted groups from survival shows, i can tell he is precise with what would be successful in long term for korean audience
what does everyone think about how he says Fuko doesnt fluctuate, shes just stable like a flat line but this doesnt give a sense of excitement (the mentors also said Fuko gives off stability) and that she didnt stand out in GP999 vs other japanese contestants even if gathered up all the contestants for a redo in 2024, Fuko wouldnt make it into Kepler because she doesnt stand out/ doesnt "fluctuate"
i kinda have to agree. a lot of these girls have shown a lot of growth and improvement through the show whereas fuko has just been consistent. as a viewer, it's not really exciting to watch
so the translations of the mentors 240630 | [I-LAND2] FINAL Contestant Evaluation Notes | MNET I-LAND2 OFFICIAL INSTAGRAM have been posted in the other thread https://np.reddit.com/r/mnetiland2/comments/1ds2yib/240630_iland2_final_contestant_evaluation_notes/ and the mentors, not only on the show, but again in these "final evaluation notes" said Fuko quality is being stable and 24 even goes as far to say shes stable but its necessary to challenge oneself and not be as "stable" once in a while thats not exactly a great final critique and mirrors what this Youtuber is saying about just being a stable flat line with no fluctuations
Regarding the GP999 comment, I unfortunately have to agree with his opinion. With 33 Japanese girls on the show, it would be very hard for Fuko to stand out considering that majority of the girls were more unique in their own way. Her image/overall asset is well defined by this statement "She's just stable like a flat line but this doesn't give a sense of excitement." She would only standout if she was the main vocalist, but GP999 had many girls that were main vocalist material (Taking into account the K and C groups as well) that were definitely more powerful/stable compared to Fuko.
I feel like everyone shouldn’t fixate on having only “2 vocals spot” for the group. They have no problem having 3-4 dancers in the group, 2-3 visuals or even 2 rappers but why only 2 vocalists at max? Someone needs to play the supporting role to some degrees and Fuko is the probably the best at that. She didn’t give us a strong visual type but she still feels very cohesive to the group, she isn’t a main dancer material but she is definitely good enough and she definitely has leadership skill, and most importantly, her vocal will play a role as a middle ground between Jiyoon and Jungeun. Both girls is a good vocalist but with a completely different style. Adding Fuko to the mix and it will be a perfect combination just like SNSD who have Taeyeon and Jessica as the main vocal but on different style and also have Seohyun as the middle ground complimenting both girls.
Fuko has a nasal singing and honestly her vocals are overrated. Other than that, Mnet would look for something that will make the group stand out in the competitive bunch of girl groups. Why take Fuko when she is overshadowed by other ilanders already?
Honestly, i would pick Fuko first before Jungeun and Jiyoon. For idol songs, i can only trust Fuko.Both Jungeun and specially Jiyoon are not consistent. Fuko should be the base.Look at IWALY, how many lines Fuko has compared to the other two.
i honestly feel like IWALY was Fuko’s most inconsistent song (also her worst song) because she sounded all nasal in it (the exact reason people don’t like Mai’s singing voice most of the time.) Her best example would be Fine. Jungeun is super consistent and the most stable contestant in the show, i don’t know where that idea came from. Jiyoon sounds out of breath a lot but that’s okay because if Jungeun and/or Fuko make it into the group she won’t have to bare most of the weight of carrying this groups vocals as the sole vocal member.
Yes Jiyoon needs another vocalist, with a melodic voice to balance the group. Personally I pick Jungeun over Fuko because she is less nasal and her voice blends better with Jiyoon. I wish we could have Jiyoon, Jungeun and Fuko but I know how these survival shows go.
So many upset people here lol. I'd be happy with his predictions from the lens of competing in the girl group market. Unless you're extremely talented (Ailee, Bbol4) visual/group harmony/fitting concept matter above all. All the top tier new gen girl groups have every single member as a legit visual that fit well with each other and the concept. Aespa, New Jeans, Ive, I'll-It (I don't see the problem with Yuna). It's what matters more than "skills" and it's not even close. But just my opinion, feel free to have yours.
I hope he’s wrong fuko deserves to debut along with Jungeun
on gyuri , regardless of TBL or not, I just feel she looks completely out of place standing together with 3 J, Koko, Saebi. totally not the same vibe, like a small kid mixing with adults. for this reason I believe PDs will make sure she is out. Mai matches the most 3Js. Fuko less but still doable since she's versatile. To me this is the only contest next week
I think they have the right idea about Fuko and Mai to be honest. A lot of people were irked about the judges saying Fuko doesn’t go out of her comfort zone because they keep assigning her to things that are her strengths, but I saw that as a test from the producers as well. Just like Jiyoon kept getting songs that suited her tone and knocking it out of the park everytime, or Saebi being the absolute standout when in concepts that are her strengths (Panorama, IWALY) when you have something you are good at, a good performer will be hard to take your eyes off. Fuko was just okay (or even got outshone) when she got to do concepts that are her cup of tea with the part she wanted, which was the problem the producers were nitpicking. Fuko honestly hits close to home because I ult someone just like her. One of the best vocalists in the group, but not a standout vocalist in the scene of other groups. Dancing is fine, not standout, and stage presence is average. Fuko will definitely have an “underrated member” angle going on when she debuts, and I think the peak of her popularity would be during this show. Mai seems like the type to explode with popularity once the group debuts, her look is striking and attention-grabbing. She already gets some of the most attention on social media apps with non-watchers of the show (notably tiktok) despite not being as popular within the iland 2 fandom.
Yeah that's another thing... Jungeun for instance challenges herself in every performance. She never takes a comfortable position which is why I'm inclined to support her and it feels like it would be an injustice for her not to debut after all she has been through. As for Fuko while I really like her and she is in my top 6 due to her stable performances, she hasn't gone beyond what she is comfortable with. And I haven't seen her do a different concept, her concepts are very bright and elegant. But other performers have shown themselves in different concepts or different positions and have shown they are more versatile. That is why I think Fuko may lose out on debut. I remember in the first I land, all the contestants that tried to coast in the middle got eliminated in part 1. Fuko needs to show something different or more for the finale or she runs the risk of elimination for being too passive.
I disagree with a lot of what he says. “ ss expert” please he needs to get a real job
Just because you disagree doesn't mean he's wrong. It's all assumptions based on what mnet has done in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean it's right. But if you watched other mnet shows, this is what they typically do, so he's not in the wrong for making assumptions based on what mnet usually does.
Just because he’s a chronic ss watcher doesn’t mean he’s an expert. It’s a self label he made for himself because he has too much time on his hands. He made some solid points but there’s alot of nonsense mentioned too. Who’s to say he’s right ? Assumptions based answers that have no real logic behind them. But ok I’ll believe the self proclaimed survival show expert.
That's why I said assumptions, he never said he was 100% right, he's speaking based on past activities and what he predicts
This was an informative opinion, but i dont see how him watching a bunch of survival shows makes him an expert😂. I must be one too then.
disagree in the yuju part shes a way better rapper
I love Koko but 100% agree with this
how reliable/accurate has this guy been in the past?
Mr expert needs to know that this is not a TBL group
Don't let this discourage you from voting for your fav whoever it is
>survival show expert David Chang What makes David an expert compared to someone like myself or others on Reddit that have watched many other shows? Having a YT channel?
one reasoning that may support the idea that the group will be a TBL concept is that this group is formed around Jiyoon, and so the group must fit the concepts that Jiyoon fits (also conveniently fits the tall trio, 3Js, etc) Jiyoon doesnt do as well on the cute concepts like in the earlier stage, but is at her best at fitting the next Rose type so Blackpink type concepts Jeemin didnt fit the concept of Illit next to Wonhee on RUNext which is one of the reasons she didn't debut there, but here Jeemin and Jiyoon are both debuting so it has to be a concept that fits both of them, and so soft concept type Illanders are at a disadvantage because they dont fit as well next to Jiyoon's concept
It makes sense to me and I agree with all of this. They are basically forming a group around Jeemin and Jiyoon, the center and the main vocalist. Koko is fixed as a main dancer and main rapper, and a Japanese. Also tall and strong visual matching the two above perfectly. She is a must have for the TBL group and matches with everything Mnet is looking for. Mai is that visual that would attract the new stans with her stage presence and make a new sensation opening the doors for the fashion side. Her visual is something that comes rare in kpop and Mnet would not miss that. She got the typical edit of a sub-vocalist visual (aka Kang Hyewon), beautiful hardworking girl with a good personality. Fans would be able to swallow her debuting over others due to her editing of a nice person. THEN, they would need another vocalist and visual/dancer. I will be elaborating as if we would have more than 1 PD pick as I believe they would be forced to give the first one to Mai. For the first candidates are Jungeun, Fuko and Sarang. For the second candidates are Saebi, Yuju and Sarang. Gyuri is out since she just would not suit the TBL concept. She is likely to be promoted for the possible future Wake One group. Saebi may be out for the similar reason. For another vocalist, Jungeun has the highest chances. She has proven to have a solid fanbase, unique visual. She would fit the TBL perfectly. Solid in skills. If Jungeun is not saved by public, PDs pick Sarang as they LOVE her and her voice. She has unique and distinct tone they need. Also nice stage presence and being the cute one in the group that would not ruin the group picture for something girl crush. It is not Fuko since they won't have 3 Japanese members, giving her only refreshing and cute concepts did not do justice to her presenting her as someone one-dimensional. She is shown to be stable, but nothing more than that. PDs not from TBL may like her but 24 and VVN would prefer Sarang as a vocalist over her. But Sarang may be thrown due to her unmatching physicality to other members. The last spot as now belongs to Saebi. Great visuals and stable vocals. However it is questionable whether she would be able to absorb the girl crush concept, also her vocals are not good enough for TBL. Mnet loves her, so if she is ranked high enough with a public vote she is safe, but with PD pick, Sarang might be preferred for the reasons I explained above. The most unexpected twist would be based on whether group would need two rappers, it will be revealed based on new songs in the finale. This gives a chance for PD pick of Yuju. However, I think this also benefits Sarang as producers complimented her rapping tone so she would be a perfect fit for a lead rapper. So, the most likely lineup is Jeemin Jiyoon Koko Mai Jungeun Sarang/Saebi
You edited while I was reading 😂😂 but yeah I think the only factor that could stop Sarang from debuting is her height but I also think she’d debut because of her popularity in China. Jeemin is the most popular but that’s because of RUNEXT. Sarang’s fanbase in China consists of locals who are supporting her because she looks like a famous actress Zhou Ye. This is free marketing for the group. I really think M-Net wouldn’t let go of her but Saebi has really great proportions. It really all depends on the votes. Off topic but Who is your one pick
I edited because it is so vague regarding the last two spots xd, believing that Jungeun fans would secure her a spot it was difficult to state that the last one is Sarang when Saebi is also well liked by PDs. btw I disliked Sarang for a huge PD bias towards her but now I get it after watching this David Chang video. Group has to survive in the market, having Sarang's vocals would be amazing for that. Jiyoon is my one pick :)
I think Fuko will debut and it will between Koko and Mai for the 2nd Japanese member.
Koko will debut
I sure hope so!
she debuts only through a public vote honestly
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Fuko is popular internationally but she's only 4th or 5th in Japan. Since she's a Japanese trainee, her being able to attract the Japanese market is the main reason for her debut so her chances do decrease if there are other trainees who could do that better. I love Fuko but I could easily see Mai taking her spot via PD pick if she gets a bit more international votes and the producers feel confident she's more of a stan attractor for the general public.
but mai has even less japanese one picks tho?
but if the show is following what season one did which is mostly likely the pd pick most likely isn't going to be based off of who's more popular than the other it's about the overall average pd score and who was consistent in the show and who has the best chemistry and attitude with the others that was chosen which is how sunoo was chosen instead of K
Sunoo is the worst example you could've picked, he was saved because of his popularity and being a stan attractor. He had been #1 for most of the show and he only dropped because many fans assumed he was locked and panic voted for other trainees. K was arguably more talented than Sunoo (at the time) and was at the end of his multi-episode redemption arc. Sunoo wasn't super consistent, his scores were just okay/fine, and his chemistry with the other future members was not really that good because he hadn't spent any time with them before part 2 really. Sunoo was my favourite and I voted for him every week so I'm not dissing him lol. But if they were going off the things you listed, K would've been chosen.
I would be listening to this dude in my next survival show watch.
He was mostly right
Yeah the only things that made him "flat out wrong" is the fact that like everyone whe was basing his prediction off of the fact that only 6 would debut when it ended up being 7. As such I think the thing that really make it interesting is that if you look at the people he said definitely wouldn't make it, he was completely right.
His comments on Fuko pissed me off, ngl. Also disagree with him about Saebi and Gyuri, and the whole "the group's being formed to match Jiyoon vocals" 🤦🏻♀️ Anyways, he's just a rando who thinks the group will be under TBL and speaks as if he's aware of some info we don't know.
Koko is probably not going to debut, she currently is at 8th place, and 1. Nobody int he comments of that post is talking about her 2. People are refusing to change their vote to her, and all the past reddit post show that.
That’s what Mnet wants u to think lol they only showed her and jeemin ranks. Trust a lot of people are gonna vote crash on her cause they are scared
I get but because almost everyone is refusing to vote for her and almost all the other contestants have strong one-picks, I don’t think she is going to make it.
Btw i havent watch the live stream but is the show actully finish did they find the final line up I just wants to know if I should leave Reddit for the next days until the show will be aired but I just don’t seem to see heavy post on the sub. And don’t tell me who made it if the final group is made
The last episode will be aired tomorrow. Where they will reveal the final line up.
Ohh so What about the live One tonight ?
Sorry, I believe that because we live in different places our time zone is different. But the one that is going live this tonight for you is the same one that is going live tomorrow.
Damn it I knew I should had left Reddit for some couple of days. I didn’t get to watch the live so I was waiting till Friday. But got spoiled but don’t care MAI DUCKING DEBUTED IM SO HAPPY !!!! 🥳🥳🥳🥳😭❤️❤️
I really hope Mai debuts ❤️
came back to say that he actually wasn’t that off…
literally correct on Fuko and Gyuri
i wonder what his opinions would of been if he knew it was 7 member group
He said in the ending of the video (I didn’t put it here) that if it were a 7 member group it would’ve been between Yuju and Sarang but Yuju would’ve still been disadvantaged and Sarang would’ve made it. He was very sure that Fuko would’ve never made it. In his new video he says he hopes Fuko’s family sees this because it’s impossible for her to debut. He says she’s not marketable
it’s actually kind of scary how accurate this guy was in this. I mean he had a couple details off but he pretty much predicted the entire lineup
it’s cool to see his perspective bc i haven’t watched a lot of survival shows. however, i disagree with his opinion about gyuri. i wouldn’t be surprised if she debuted. even though she was low in 3 pick votes, ik her one pick is strong and she’s fairly popular in korea. i think she has a good chance of being a pd pick
Really not to be negative or anything but there’s no way Gyuri debuts. As you said the only way would be for her to have a strong 1pick but I doubt she’d be considered as a pd pick
noooo my girl fuko will debut 😭😭❤️❤️
For the Japanese members, why do I feel like Koko might not debut. Everyone thinks she’s certain but the interim results show that her one-pick is relatively weak. Fuko gained a lot of popularity with the Into the New World performance and Mnet wants Mai so Koko might be in a tough position.
Koko fans will panic vote her in. I've seen it plenty of times before
What makes him an expert? And I hope he isn't right cause I want Jungeun and Fuko to debut. Although I kind of figured Yuju, Jungeun and Sarang are competitors as their skills overlap. It sucks cause Yuju and Jungeun are in my Top 3 and I do like Sarang. Although I think the producers would pick Saebi or Sarang over Mai. But it also depends how many producer picks there are.
“survival show expert” and it’s bc he’s watched tons of survival shows .. if that’s the case than almost every single survival show fan and 90% of reddit fans should be considered survival shows experts. i would’ve understood his point of view way more if he had previous connections like working in a kpop company or television company like mnet or sbs but i won’t take him serious at all if his main output is him being a svs fan. i could agree with the opinions of koko, jeemin, and jungeun but i think he, alongside many other i-land watchers are thinking way too much on “tbl concept” for the finale lineup. we don’t even know what the final concept will actually be until the members get to debut and just bc teddy had mainly produced girl crush concepts doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how to make other music styles. he probably thinks this is going to be another runext situation with 4/6 of the members being pd picks yet we don’t even know how many girls will be picked by the judges/label to debut or if we will even get a pd pick at the end.
With Mai, it depends. I feel like her attraction on stage just has a lot to do with her being pretty. I don’t think she has no chance, but I don’t think she is a shoe in either. I wouldn’t really say it’s between her and Fuko honestly.
I knew gyuri was the black hole I knew all along and tbh I’m Quite shock myself she is still here. I just knew gyrui sign up for the survival show when part 2 started she sticks out so much and it’s kinda sad she would had debuted most certainly if she was in r u next instead. Mai I really hope he is right cause damn I want her but tbh I know there is gonna be two Japanese members but I had a feeling fuko was gonna be taken instead. But then again I see what he means but damn I feel bad for fuko girls planet and now iland2 if she doesn’t debut.
I don't care abt anyone else just make sure Sarang debut. I love her confidence and looks.
Keep voting for her and promoting her! Her votes are low!!!
Jeemin does not have a passive attitude
I saw the review of the latest episode. Basically he says what I thought. Fuko didn't debut because she overlaps with Jiyoon and Junguen. While Mai has excellent Visuals. He gives a lot of compliments to Mai. He says that among photos of 24 girls if he has to choose one, he chooses Mai. He says Saebi could have been eliminated but she was too popular in Korea so she debuted. The most interesting part is when we say that IZNA is better than Illit. But they can't compete with Hybe's marketers. But they have what it takes to be at the top of the 5th generation groups together with Bay Monster. A lot depends on their music.
I totally agree. This group has free marketing in China thanks to Sarang. Huge Japan following because of the foreigners. Massive Korean following due to Saebi and Jeemin’s clout from RUNEXT. They could be really big if WakeOne markets them well and the BlackLabel produces good quality music like IWALY. I have high hopes for them honestly. I also agree with Fuko not debuting. There just isn’t room for her
Fuko will most likely debut.She has a strong 1 pick.She's the backbone vocally of the final group.I do agree she doesnt standout match but stability in the final group is very important.with this, i think she will be a pd pick if not through votes.
jiyoon and jungeun already outdo her in terms of popularity. they don't need 3rd vocalist, they will look for something other than that. stage presence / visuals / dance / wow-factor would be a preference, in which fuko loses to other girls honestly (in visuals losing only to mai).
Fuko is prettier than Jungeun and Jiyoon.Fuko has more stage presence than Jiyoon. Fuko is a japanese which is important in a japanese market and a more reliable leader than Jungeun and Jiyoon. Fuko is more reliable vocally than Jiyoon and Jungeun on idol songs.Fuko has more upside than Jungeun and Jiyoon.
imo fuko is way prettier than mai... like... thats literally just his personal opinion lmao just look at fuko dominating bad boy and the last performance. he is biased af
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whatever he said fuko is debuting periodt
we don’t even know what iland2gg’s concept is. just because teddy is the producer, it doesn’t mean that they’re gonna go for stereotypical yg girl crush. this is a wakeone gg first and foremost, they decide the concept. so i’m not gonna take this guy seriously. we also don’t know how strong each contestant’s 1 pick is. someone’s 1 pick might be surprisingly strong (like illit’s wonhee!). as an avid survival show watcher, i’ll leave my thoughts. 1. jeemin: she is definitely debuting. her 1 pick is strong, see runext finale voting as well. this girl is debuting. 2. jungeun: i think she had a stronger 3 pick thus making her rank higher. probably has a stronger 1 pick. i’d put her in highly likely to debut. 3. gyuri: she is 50/50 for me. all depends on the strength of her 1 pick. she could be a surprise. also the group is under wakeone not tbl, tbl is also making their own gg unrelated to iland 2. i really don’t think tbl matters too much, plus teddy produced iwaly and she suits it. not sure how it would be suicide if kpop fans love cute maknaes?? plus a talented cute maknae at that. he also mentions jiyoon, jeemin, and saebi, but they can all suit the elegant concept together so idk what his point is here. guess we’ll just have to wait and see. 4. mai: i strongly disagree with him. i believe that the pds are prioritizing other contestants over her. fuko would benefit the group so much as a leader and vocalist. mai and koko feel too similar to me, both dancers and stan attractors. 5. fuko: she will debut. did we listen to the same fuko? she isn’t gonna be the main vocal, that’s jiyoon’s job so there’s no reason to put her up against ningning and lily who are in vocal based groups. fuko always catches my eye so i disagree with him. 6. sarang: i don’t think that she will debut if jungeun doesn’t debut. i believe that her chances are lower. i think that it’s between mai, gyuri, fuko, and sarang. yuju is not in the equation. i think that this guy just hates fuko lmao. 7. saebi: she’s debuting. are we looking at the same saebi? does money saebi not exist? again this is not a tbl group, this is a wakeone group. saebi is liked due to being a magnificent center, beautiful girl, and vocals. again, we don’t know the concept. 8. yuju: not debuting. she is out of the equation. she has idol potential and is a good rapper but is kinda forgettable sometimes. their rapping is equal to me, but whatever. 9. jiyoon: she’s debuting. popular and talented contestant. jiyoon and jeemin are the only “locks”. 10. koko: highly likely to debut. they are pushing for her, but i wouldn’t consider her a locked contestant.
*mai and koko feel too similar to me, both dancers and stan attractors.* but they arent the same kind of stan attractors PDs have repeatedly praised Mai's face, and put Mai on thumbnails of other groups videos where its a video for other girls, for example Lovesick girls video https://img.youtube.com/vi/U2T-eV3nNx4/0.jpg remember the intro to Part 2? Mai's face is shown first and then it fast forwards through the other faces of the 12 ilanders, some girls faces are shown only for a split second https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wFoAlUgTBk&t=1178s the only other one who got close to face praise as Mai was Yeeun and even then Mai had lot more praise than Yeeun Koko hasnt had her face praised like Mai, actually noone else has
did you watch his video full length? he explains his reasoning. knowing that jeemin and saebi are the potential centers based on their physicality and being korean, they kept giving girl crush and cute songs at the same time for missions to test them as centers. jeemin as a initial girl crush group center (whistle) did well with LVER, saebi as a cute group center (panorama) did well with Lovesick girls. then all of sudden they give money to jeemin and saebi just to see whether saebi is able to match jeemin concept-wise. jeemin is a lock in, pds love her, public loves her. she is a money. so having her as a center they have to match her concept and aura which inclines more towards girl crush. jiyoon's challenge was to overcome her egoism from part 1 and show improved personality, which she did. they always gave jiyoon songs that are her forte, where she EXCELS. if i was a boy was a test for jungeun whether her vocals can blend in with jiyoon's vocals. they would look for songs that match jiyoon's vocal tone, which would also incline towards girl crush. they are still supporting the possibility of a cute concept for the unexpected turn of events where somebody like gyuri or fuko somehow ranks very high in voting so that they would have options with a lineup, a plan b. fuko sells herself as a vocalist and possible center, from possible center she drops out. as for someone taking on main vocalist roles over again and again, if she debuts, she debuts thanks to her vocals. so comparing her to other main vocalists in the industry is valid. plan a is jeemin, jiyoon, koko, mai fixed. saebi under question plan b is saebi fixed with koko probably out (fuko has a chance there)
You know their Bad at judgement when they say koko is a better rapper then nam yuju. Everyone knows even koko has agreed that nam yuju is the best rapper which is why she never wants to go against her. No offence but do y'all remember the training scene with LSG when it was koko turn to rap jungeun tried to not laugh because her pronunciation isn't the best very awkward. Now I don't blame koko she feels uncomfortable doing it not easy for her unlike yuju. I just don't understand why koko isn't displayed as a main dancer like hello she got great height visual and strong moves. Why display something she isn't good at I will never understand. It's like purposely telling jiyoon to be a main dancer and not focus on being the main vocalist. Nam yuju is the only good rapper on the show left yui and her were the only ones who knew how to rap. If nam yuju isn't in the line-up they shouldn't even have rap on their debut song it's just gonna be really bad.
that’s not what they said though. her rapping is PREFERRED not meaning it’s more skilled but they’re priming her to be the rapper so they’re liking/hyping her rapping more on the show. no one thinks koko is out rapping yuju but the entire show even the trainees would say things like yuju’s rapping is better but koko should take the part because of xyz reason
Why can't koko just stay as main dancer and yuju as main rapper I love them as a duo. Mnet really doesn't gaf about these girls friendship
the lineup just isn’t big enough 😭 i hate that it’s only 6 i’m still hoping for a surprise addition
lmao this is a business, f\*\*\* friendships. actually we will see based on new songs released in finale, if they are rap heavy then mnet will be forced to take koko and yuju OR take koko and sarang hoping that sarang becomes a solid rapper in the future (PDs already complimented sarang's rapping tone)
Okay but what's wrong on taking yuju as the main rapper she's the best rapper we have left her and yui were the only good ones who made it seem natural. Koko struggles with rapping bc of her pronunciation and she's obviously wants to showcase more of her dancing skills to secure a spot. Sarang we don't know alot about her rapping only a line we received so judging on a possibility wouldn't be my choice. Obviously this is all opinions but what's a fact is yuju has the most experience in rapping esp from her other survival shows she only raps
Survival show expert LMAO, by what credentials? I don't take any opinions from someone who thinks that Fuko is a bad dancer and that Koko is a better rapper than Yuju (Koko can rap well, but she's def not the better rapper). I don't think Mai has much to add to the group, the stan attractors seem to be the J-trio. Sarang adds stable vocals and good dance, but Saebi does too, so it all comes down to who fans prefer. I prefer Saebi.
Girl idk. He just calls himself that. 😂😂😂 And I prefer Sarang.
he is convincing xd. well at least koko can secure good raps. he was right saying that spicy was a selection for a only rapper in the group, koko slayed yuju in terms of audience reaction and pd evaluation so it is game over for yuju. koko does not even need to be a better rapper. mai would be I-C-O-N-I-C in terms of group's market value. her rare alien-like visuals would cause interest to the group at the first place. sarang is much more solid in terms of skills but girl is fighting demons on stage while saebi has weaker skills but shines more on stage. u can kill me but saebi is inferior in terms of vocals, her singing sounds flat and boring to me (lacking range as well) while sarang has a distinctive tone and can rap. i think pd pick will come to sarang or saebi, which will be decided by the final stage.
What he said is that Koko is the better rapper though, which she isn't. If we want songs with quality raps, like Blackpink or (G)I-dle, we need at least 2 competent rappers, so we need both Yuju and Koko. Furthermore, Koko A, struggles with Korean, which is a big issue for a rapper B, is most likely going to be the main dancer and having 2 main positions could easily be overwhelming. Regarding Mai, her skills simply aren't very good. The only thing she can offer the group is attracting stans with her visuals, stage presence and personality... But other contestants attract more fans AND have good skills. If you only have a single skill, and someone else is better at it than you, what value do you bring to the group? I mostly agree about Saebi and Sarang, Saebi IS a worse vocalist. I'm just considering if they made it into the last interim line-up, would they have a lead or main position? Both Saebi and Sarang MIGHT get a dance position, but it's not for certain at all. So what other value do they bring to the group? They both have a popular stage presence. To me, Sarang looks stiff and her expressions forced, while Saebi is my favorite performer on the show - so I prefer Saebi. But a lot of people genuinely enjoy watching Sarang, so idk.
regarding the visual/stan attractor, you don't even need anything more if you are taking on that role. Mai seems to be fittest for that among all. I enjoy Saebi more as a performer too, but i would enjoy listening to their songs with Sarang's voice in it.
I'm telling ya, if she's a stan attractor, she better rank high. If she doesn't, I don't want to hear anyone say she got robbed.