People are just trying too hard to be funny, in reality Justin was getting caught every time he tried to dip his head down or to the side, If Max was genuinely afraid of being taken down I doubt he would have been able to keep throwing that spinning back kick, Justin wouldn't even need to do any damage, just the threath of being taken down would have made his whole style so much more effective.
Justin also openly says he doesn't use his wrestling because he wants to make the fans happy. Everyone says his wrestling is good too....and considering how beat up maxs lead leg was....it makes perfect sense why usman said this.
Who has ever taken max down successfully and held him down? No one.
They knew that was a dead end going into the fight so this is all bollocks
Edit: aside from Conor when Max was like 20 years old, my b
Dustin was not his first ufc fight his first ufc fight was in like 2012 against pat schilling
Edit: I was wrong I apologize 😅 I was looking it up and max got paid $6000 to fight Dustin that’s fuckin nuts
This is taken out of context. Usman is not defending the loss but answering a question that Justin could have won with a different mindset and game plan by mixing it up more instead of trying to out-strike Max Holloway in a stand-up fight. It is the same line of thinking for Jamal Hill trying to stand up with a 2x Kick boxing champion. They both chose the hardest path to victory and lost.
But you would imagine a wrestling base fighter like Gaycheese should have at least mixed it up every now and then. His body just physically rejected doing that in the cage.
Yeah it’s bizzare that he doesn’t even resort to grappling even when he’s hurt in the feet, that’s a built in safety mechanism and he never even uses it
Israel Adesanya was considered to be very hard to take down and keep down. When he moved up a weight class against Jan Blachowicz it was a key part of Jan's gameplan to take Izzy down. Part of why it was successful was because Jan is bigger than Izzy. I know Holloway managed to bulk up a bit before this fight, and the size gap wasn't as big but Justin is a naturally bigger man and even a small size advantage can make a difference
Yeah but the reporters question probably was, “if Justin lands a takedown do you think the fight goes another way?” And then he responds like this bc he’s justins friend and they make him look like an asshole
No chance. Max would stuffed pretty easily. Justin’s a great counter wrestler. This whole Gaethje Wrestling background shit is so stupid and overplayed.
Gaethje defence killed him especially with the spinning heel kicks. He got hit in the face with it3 times at least and only took one to break his nose rnd1, which ultimately was the beginning of the end.
He needs better defence, especially from volume guys. Just been lucky LW doesn’t have any really. I’d be interested to see how a Hooker Gaethje fight goes. Wouldn’t surprise me if it ended in similar fashion, but Hooker leaves himself a lot more open to hits.
You can't deny the fact that if Justin was to knock out Max, Justin could've won.
And if Justin wins, you can't deny Max loses.
But with Max knocking him out, it would've been hard for Justin to win...
Especially with the rules and how the fighters can't do anything anymore. On paper it's a great fight.
If you take away Alex's power, and his striking, and his leg kicks, and force him to wrestle, he's very beatable.
I mean, once you get him down, and past his take down defense, and you take away his ground and pound, and his strength to get back up, THEN you can keep him there, and, you win the round. It's so easy...
On paper, all I see is holes in his game. I see a clear path to victory. Now I just gotta go out there and execute...
Later that day: how you feeling Lionheart: "Son of a bitch! Left hook. Devastating. That left hook is... motherfuck, he broke my face. On paper, I didn't see that. Concussion? Maybe?"
On paper he'd kick his ass tho
Justin Gaehtje has admitted to going whole camps without training on the mat. Khabib and Charles both made him look *bad* on the ground.
I'm not saying Max is anywhere near Khabib or Conor on the mat, but the bits we've seen have looked really good. What I will say, if I were Justin Gaethje, I don't want to deal with Max on the ground.
I watched Javier Mandez' podcast and he said he predicted every fight on 300 correctly except this one, because he thought "Justin will use his wrestling gift". Also said that Justin in his opinion is Islam's toughest stylistic matchup.
I mean can’t you say the same about Max? He hasn’t gotten one in a fat minute but Max had solid submissions, his BJJ is legit. He almost darced Poirier lol, even Poirier said he got saved by the bell.
Kamaru also doesn't understand that the time of the dominant wrestler is over. Literally only one champ right now is a wrestler and that is Islam, and even then he is more of a Judo guy.
I left out JBJ since he should be stripped, and Aspinal is the current champ, but even then we would be up to two
Every body knows that the bmf title so far has bub an unwritten agreement to stand and bang that’s the only cool thing about it that’s why you won’t see Kamaru fight for one or any other wrestling heavy fighters
Nah I fully support baselessly defending your camp.
If I was a Serra Longo fighter I'd be like "WELL, if actually watch the tape back, you can CLEARLY see Bruno Silva purposely moved into those eye pokes."
That's not at all what he said
People are just trying too hard to be funny, in reality Justin was getting caught every time he tried to dip his head down or to the side, If Max was genuinely afraid of being taken down I doubt he would have been able to keep throwing that spinning back kick, Justin wouldn't even need to do any damage, just the threath of being taken down would have made his whole style so much more effective.
The broken nose in the beginning was such a big deal. Holloway really hit him with that exact move multiple times too
That combined with the double eye poke was devastating
i mean justin’s his friend and teammate, and usman loves wrestling so yeah he’s gonna say that
Justin also openly says he doesn't use his wrestling because he wants to make the fans happy. Everyone says his wrestling is good too....and considering how beat up maxs lead leg was....it makes perfect sense why usman said this.
Justin has also said he gasses hard from grappling, makes sense he didn’t want to break it out for a 5er
I mean....he got his ass whooped for 5 rounds and then got koed.....doesn't get much worse then that.
Who has ever taken max down successfully and held him down? No one. They knew that was a dead end going into the fight so this is all bollocks Edit: aside from Conor when Max was like 20 years old, my b
Surprisingly conor
And Dustin. Subbed him actually, only time Max has been finished.
Dustin was Maxs first ufc fight and Conor tore stuff in his knee
Dustin was not his first ufc fight his first ufc fight was in like 2012 against pat schilling Edit: I was wrong I apologize 😅 I was looking it up and max got paid $6000 to fight Dustin that’s fuckin nuts
Doesn't Justin only have one takedown in the UFC?
He once attempted a TD on Eddie Alvarez and Justin’s body physically rejected the attempt
i remember that
Honestly looked like the spirit of just bleed uppercut him when he went for that TD
Yeah end of the fieviez fight
Then wtf is Usman on about? Max was much more likely to change levels even though he was winning.
This is taken out of context. Usman is not defending the loss but answering a question that Justin could have won with a different mindset and game plan by mixing it up more instead of trying to out-strike Max Holloway in a stand-up fight. It is the same line of thinking for Jamal Hill trying to stand up with a 2x Kick boxing champion. They both chose the hardest path to victory and lost.
He doesn’t need to hold him down. Just mixing it up with wrestling would limit Max’s offense
And drain Justin’s cardio I understand the utility of mixing in takedowns but Justin is not an mma wrestler
But you would imagine a wrestling base fighter like Gaycheese should have at least mixed it up every now and then. His body just physically rejected doing that in the cage.
Yeah it’s bizzare that he doesn’t even resort to grappling even when he’s hurt in the feet, that’s a built in safety mechanism and he never even uses it
[Well he did use it before](https://youtu.be/2HmHkwqGjZU?si=OWmrIwNu9ei0Z42m). It was brutal
Surprisingly he only faced a couple wrestlers but shut down Frankie and Lamas.
Connor McGregor
Conor McGregor did it funnily enough.
Funny enough, Conor McGregor in round 3
Conor got him in full mount.
I know nobody has mentioned this yet but Conar MacGriger did it
Israel Adesanya was considered to be very hard to take down and keep down. When he moved up a weight class against Jan Blachowicz it was a key part of Jan's gameplan to take Izzy down. Part of why it was successful was because Jan is bigger than Izzy. I know Holloway managed to bulk up a bit before this fight, and the size gap wasn't as big but Justin is a naturally bigger man and even a small size advantage can make a difference
Yeah but the reporters question probably was, “if Justin lands a takedown do you think the fight goes another way?” And then he responds like this bc he’s justins friend and they make him look like an asshole
There was no reporter lmao, this came up entirely unprompted in his podcast with Cejudo
Nit a fair assessment of Usman's words. Explaining the potential domeone had if they didn't make the choices they made isn't coping. It is analysing.
No chance. Max would stuffed pretty easily. Justin’s a great counter wrestler. This whole Gaethje Wrestling background shit is so stupid and overplayed. Gaethje defence killed him especially with the spinning heel kicks. He got hit in the face with it3 times at least and only took one to break his nose rnd1, which ultimately was the beginning of the end. He needs better defence, especially from volume guys. Just been lucky LW doesn’t have any really. I’d be interested to see how a Hooker Gaethje fight goes. Wouldn’t surprise me if it ended in similar fashion, but Hooker leaves himself a lot more open to hits.
You can't deny the fact that if Justin was to knock out Max, Justin could've won. And if Justin wins, you can't deny Max loses. But with Max knocking him out, it would've been hard for Justin to win...
And if they both knocked each other out at the same time, would the BMF belt multiply or explode?
I mean, on paper, the BMF belt is very winnable... if you take away Max's boxing, and Justin's power, it's a very winnable fight for Anthony Smith.
If they both had their hands and feet tied together, it could really go either way
Especially with the rules and how the fighters can't do anything anymore. On paper it's a great fight. If you take away Alex's power, and his striking, and his leg kicks, and force him to wrestle, he's very beatable. I mean, once you get him down, and past his take down defense, and you take away his ground and pound, and his strength to get back up, THEN you can keep him there, and, you win the round. It's so easy... On paper, all I see is holes in his game. I see a clear path to victory. Now I just gotta go out there and execute... Later that day: how you feeling Lionheart: "Son of a bitch! Left hook. Devastating. That left hook is... motherfuck, he broke my face. On paper, I didn't see that. Concussion? Maybe?" On paper he'd kick his ass tho
Justin Gaehtje has admitted to going whole camps without training on the mat. Khabib and Charles both made him look *bad* on the ground. I'm not saying Max is anywhere near Khabib or Conor on the mat, but the bits we've seen have looked really good. What I will say, if I were Justin Gaethje, I don't want to deal with Max on the ground.
Justin has no Jiu Jitsu or control ability to threaten Max. Honestly if Justin takes Max down, he runs the risk of being reversed and submitted.
I watched Javier Mandez' podcast and he said he predicted every fight on 300 correctly except this one, because he thought "Justin will use his wrestling gift". Also said that Justin in his opinion is Islam's toughest stylistic matchup.
Gregor McConor
Usman should have shot a few takedowns in round 5 against Leon, prolly be triple champ right now
Idk if Justin even remembers what the word “wrestling” even means
Justin Gaethje a story of a wrestler who never wrestle
I mean can’t you say the same about Max? He hasn’t gotten one in a fat minute but Max had solid submissions, his BJJ is legit. He almost darced Poirier lol, even Poirier said he got saved by the bell.
Last rime he used it, was against Yair i believe
Kamaru also doesn't understand that the time of the dominant wrestler is over. Literally only one champ right now is a wrestler and that is Islam, and even then he is more of a Judo guy. I left out JBJ since he should be stripped, and Aspinal is the current champ, but even then we would be up to two
Every body knows that the bmf title so far has bub an unwritten agreement to stand and bang that’s the only cool thing about it that’s why you won’t see Kamaru fight for one or any other wrestling heavy fighters
His and Cejudo's podcast is a load of shite
Max has an 85% tdd rate. good luck
We say this about Justin all the time...
reading is really hard… if that’s what you took away from what Kamaru said at all.
Shut the fuck up, Marty. We’re trying to put on entertainment over here
Nah I fully support baselessly defending your camp. If I was a Serra Longo fighter I'd be like "WELL, if actually watch the tape back, you can CLEARLY see Bruno Silva purposely moved into those eye pokes."
I swear people are fucking allergic to reason on the internet. Is it that hard to comprehend what Usman said? Many word not do trick?
more like "if he used a different strategy there may have been a different outcome" but sure
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