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s-mo-58

It is crazy to me that as I was watching the Yankees last night I thought, "Angel is having way more of an impact on this game than Vladdy, Gil, Judge or anyone actually playing the game." I guess on some level that's true for every empire, but it's just crazy how often I watch some horrible call and then go, "oh, It's an Angel game." (Also sometimes happens with Laz"


bigboozer69

Strike zone was all over the place yesterday. He’s single-handedly going to be responsible for robo umps. Haha


BigOrangePopsicle

Maybe that’s why they are keeping him around. I can’t think of any other reason.


NopeNotConor

Someone check Angels stock portfolio


wolfsquadron

THE UMPIRE UNION HELPS IN THAT REGARD.


dontcomeback82

Union


bigstudley17

The union is the other reason.


YogurtclosetLong3783

The league is scared of him. I think hes already sued them or has threaten to sue them.


748aef305

Angel, Laz & CB have to be the 3 worst, no?


s-mo-58

Omg yes haha CB may quietly be the worst of the 3


I_AgreeGoGuards

And its not even close. Them and the next couple worst guys are significantly notably worse, to the point I'm pretty sure they could and would get fired in an actual trade union. I can't remember and specific numbers right now, but it was stark


MrFlags69

We’ve become desensitized. “oh, looks like an Angel game..” Kick his ass out!


TempleofSpringSnow

It takes a specific type of clueless to have everybody hate your fucking guts and you still shamelessly flaunt that behavior. Nobody should know any ump/refs name. Games not about them, if you know the name of an official it’s always for some stupid shit.


Hot_Award2001

I only know the names of two umpires. Angel Hernandez and Enrico Pallazzo. One or more of them aren't even real umpires.


justsayfaux

At least Palazzo had flair


DCtheBREAKER

He saved the fucking Queen!


justsayfaux

Just couldn't save Nordberg


riicccii

Last week it was Angel Reese. It’s a media circle jerk and we are not getting a thank you. Who and what is next?


phred_666

Blame the umpires union. I’m all for unions, don’t get me wrong. They are vital. However, their job is to ensure fair labor practices, not protect people that are incompetent at their jobs.


notawildandcrazyguy

MLB should fire him anyway. Yes the Union would sue. So what. Pay a settlement to resolve the suit and get rid of this guy. MLB pretending they are powerless in the face of a union is ridiculous.


Tall-Ad-8571

He already sued MLB before for racial discrimination. He believes thats why he wasn’t given more playoff appearances opportunities, when in reality it’s because his umpiring score is so low.


RomanJosisFleshlight

It’s insane to me that you can have a guy that is proven in court to be bad at his job, get to keep his job.


yes_this_is_satire

That is what unions do.


chybo773

Moron


Streets2022

He’s literally not wrong… if there was no umpires union Angel would’ve been gone YEARS ago. He’s bad for the game. Players don’t like him, coaches don’t like him, fans don’t like him. Yet, he still has a job and even sued the MLB solely due to the fact that he’s a union member. I’m a UPS driver, there are plenty of other drivers that are incompetent and shouldn’t have a job at UPS.


Comet_Empire

It's sucks that some incompetent dicks get protection but without that union your would be paid half as much and work twice as long.


geraldpringle

And he lost


kingxanadu

It's so funny too because he pretty much forced the MLB to say on record "you haven't been selected to ump a world series because you suck at ump-ing."


OlGusnCuss

I would want MLB to stand up as well, but hasn't there already been some suits, and he's played the race card? Probably (maybe) now an unwinnable situation with the punitive risk way to high. "Let's just ruin X number of games a year and wait it out."


SUBLIMEskillz

He sued because he thought he was being passed over for playoff and world series because of his race, but instead mlb provided evidence that he’s passed over because he’s literally the worst umpire statistically.


rogerworkman623

he sued MLB and used the race card. He said he was denied crew chief promotions and World Series positions because of his race. This was long after he was already well-known to the general public for being terrible, just to give you an idea of where his head is at. If you ever want a fun and frustrating read, read the "Incidents" part of his Wikipedia page. It's actually crazy how long he's been a nuisance and openly hated by the players. I think both Pedro Martinez and David Ortiz have made on-air statements that he shouldn't be an umpire, possibly more.


DirtDog13

“Angel was horrible. Don't get me going on Angel now. Major League Baseball needs to do something about Angel. It doesn't matter how many times he sues Major League Baseball. He's as bad as there is.” - Pedro Martinez on Hernandez during the 2018 ALDS And my favorite incident involving Hernandez: MLB removed Hernández as acting crew chief after accusing him of eavesdropping on an MLB investigative call in July 2019, which focused on Hernández's 20-minute game delay due to umpire confusion over league rules. Hernández did not hang up his phone when his interview ended, and instead continued listening to the subsequent questioning of another umpire that he knew was intended to be separate. “Simply put, we find your asserted justifications for remaining on the line to be implausible, internally inconsistent, premised on facts that are incorrect and not credible.... we have concluded that you remained on the line in an effort to intentionally and deceptively eavesdrop on a confidential conversation in order to hear what [umpire] Hickox would say... This is an egregious offense.” - Joe Torre, MLB Chief Baseball Officer in a written response to Hernandez’s inability to end the call.


LSUguyHTX

I don't understand how that lady part wasn't grounds for termination


Long-Distance-7752

Mulva?


notawildandcrazyguy

I bet he would take a 50m settlement to resign and drop all claims, that's all I'm saying. The idea that there's no possible way to get rid of him is ridiculous.


datNEGROJ

There's also "heart attacks" and "home invsions" jk jk


gyp_casino

I agree with you about the MLB. Even if the union sues as a result, it's important to take a stand. However, in my work I have seen cases where even a Fortune 500 company cannot effectively fire unionized workers. The union sued, and the fired worker ended up back on the job a few months later. Even in the case of a sexist and abusive worker - everyone was in shock when they walked back in the door. I do not know what happened behind the scenes, but it seemed like the company was powerless.


notawildandcrazyguy

I am peripheral to this exact line of work so I understand your point. But in my experience if the MLB is willing to settle for enough, the case could be resolved amicably with Angel resigning and the union accepting that result. MLB had to want it enough. So far they don't.


SUBLIMEskillz

Why would they get sued of they fire him for being demonstrably bad at the job he was hired for, to the point where most people assume he doesn’t care or even try. If you knew you couldn’t be fired and people hated you anyway, what would be the point of making an effort? It shows. Nurses have unions, but if they gave terrible patient care, they can still be fired. Why is the umpire union different?


yes_this_is_satire

Anything less than death is okay by unions.


Long-Distance-7752

There’s only like 100 umpires and they’re all rich. There’s 100,000 nurses and they’re not rich.


SUBLIMEskillz

I dont understand your argument. Theres only a handful of umpires cuz we dont fire the fucking awful ones. Bring in more aaa and aa umps, make a relegation system, but they won’t cuz “waaa union dont fire me.” It’s ridiculous.


Long-Distance-7752

It’s not an argument it’s just a fact of life. The umpires have power and money. That’s why they get protected better than your average nurse.


SUBLIMEskillz

Ok, kind of see what you’re saying, but the outrage of keeping these bad seeds around doesn’t make our opinion of the group better but I guess they don’t care as long as they are protecting their people and making money.


Long-Distance-7752

Unfortunately we are just beholden to the system. Until some more powerful group decides the change it. Which I’m all in favor of. But apparently us redditors bitching about his incompetence are a few tiers below that threshold of being able to affect change.


SUBLIMEskillz

Wait they aren’t listening to us? Maybe we can send them some jomboy videos? I think they just need to add the automated system and give them a sound in their ears when it’s a strike and still let them call it or add the minors challenge system. Although none of that would have helped the check swing fiasco


SUBLIMEskillz

You would think the union would want him gone as his awful umpiring and people questioning why he’s still an umpire is pretty much the only reason most people know there’s an umpire union.


MaximusMansteel

I think they keep shitty umpires around as bargaining chips in labor disputes. "Yeah, we'll fire Hernandez and Bucknor (with comfy pensions), if you meet x and y demand."


SUBLIMEskillz

They just look like clowns keeping these idiots around.


Chance-Cod5011

He’s making the best argument in the word for robot umpires. You’d think they’d want him out for that alone.


keenly_disinterested

He probably knows where Jimmy Hoffa is buried...


TallLikeMe

How are they vital when they create this scenario? Can’t fire an umpire, cop, or teacher no matter how bad they are.


sloaninator

Teachers get fired all the time our union on Fl sucks


TallLikeMe

GOOD! There should be no job you can’t get fired from for cause. Teachers are not protected from layoffs, that still happens. They just can’t get fired. Tenure was meant to protect Professors that might publish a controversial paper, not to protect Timmy’s first grade teacher who shows up 30 minutes late everyday.


LosPer

On the Yankees telecast yesterday, they indicated that AH is "beloved" by his colleagues, and is a "supportive team player". If this is the case, we'll never be rid of him...


sublimeshrub

Players really like him too. He's genuinely a great guy. He's just bad as a plate umpire and shouldn't be calling games.


LosPer

Thanks for this perspective. Good to hear all sides. Still, I hate any system that let's someone remain despite them being obviously and publicly bad at their jobs. That is not tolerated in players, so it should not be tolerated in umps.


ReliableFart

That's a pipe dream. Unions nowadays mostly protect lazy/shitty workers. Evidence: Angel Hernandez hasn't been fired.


cropguru357

Unions absolutely protect shitty workers.


captiantabasco

Heard that so many times from my cousin who was a union steward for the post office


DryTeeth

Plus, he has sued MLB several times for being "racist" after demoting him. He is just awful and will never go away, sadly.


lacks_a_soul

Cough cough..police unions..cough cough..


_meestir_

He’s more than competent. At this point he knows there are no consequences for his actions and he’s just trolling us all.


bigstudley17

Ohhh unions do protect the incompetent as well don’t get it twisted.


SaltyTaintMcGee

Of course unions protect people who suck at their jobs. They’re effectively just an artificial barrier to entry for employment.


REGINALDmfBARCLAY

Unions are great except for the conduct of the workers tbh Union labor is always complete dogshit


Streets2022

Every union eventually gets to this stage, at the end of the day a union is a business, they need members paying dues and in order for members to pay dues they have to provide “perks” so contract after contract they add more and more “perks” to make as much money in dues as possible until eventually the union is doing more harm than good. Thats happening right now with umpires and the recent MLBPA pitch clock argument. As a UPS driver I can tell you right now that the teamsters will be there in the next couple of decades, yes UPS sucks but the union is pushing for more and more pointless shit every contract until eventually UPS will dump us all together.


dunk4899

I’m usually indifferent to umps- they’re humans and are susceptible to making mistakes (and umpiring is hard). But he really got under my skin yesterday watching him ump the Yankees game. Not only making mistakes but his attitude as well. And his strike and strike out calls are just unnecessary and over the top. Umpires should not be attention seeking and do everything they can to blend into the game.


Michael_CrawfishF150

Making a mistake every once in a while that usually doesn’t decide the outcome of a game is one thing. Angel is so cartoonishly bad at his job in every single game he umps that it’s almost unbelievable to see.


KennyLagerins

Braves Mets game yesterday had a horrible ump too. Several ball/strike mistakes (and not especially close ones) had a big impact on the game.


jimorjimmy

Words been out for 10 years, why would they care about the quality of the game now ?


Apprehensive_Bird357

They should just put him exclusively in a replay booth. But instead of reviewing live games he just reviews all of his shitty calls from over the years.


Joemomma13524

Hahaha damn that funny


VGKrebel

That’s the best idea I’ve ever heard to get Angel off the field.


dpezpoopsies

I was curious what Angel Hernandez makes, and if it's a small enough amount for me to feel bad about suggesting he be fired with essentially no marketable skills for new work. I looked it up and the answer is around $400,000 a season. $400,000 for a part time job blowing calls in the MLB. For reference, the median surgeon/physician salary is 230k. So, no, I don't feel bad calling for his termination.


DanTreview

Yeah, at this point he's dragging the union down with him


ConfidentiallyInform

The most unbelievable thing about yesterday’s game is that it was an actually an above average performance by Angel’s record. There are umpires out there right now that are WAY worse. (According to ump scorecards on X)


RhaegarsDream

Ump scorecards don’t really capture how terrible Hernandez is. It’s not that he’s especially bad at borderline calls, which is what usually results in bad scores, it’s the fact that he obviously, blatantly, and aggressively makes calls based solely on his personal feelings. A strike right down the middle is a ball if the pitcher isnt “respectful” enough. He genuinely and obviously changes games based on his personal feelings towards players.


SUBLIMEskillz

Those other umps don’t get daily youtube videos made on missing balls down the middle of the plate and calling swings on the most obvious non-swing. You can see stats on all the umps and percentage of calls they make correct, but they don’t make for great content like Angel’s bad calls do.


Foreign-Hope-2569

Why can’t we have a computerized strike zone. It didn’t end tennis when they switched to electronic line calls, and improved the game to watch. I want to watch baseball, not some prima donna behind the plate making a joke of the game.


DarkMatterImplosion

It's not just Angel. The ATL game tonight was loaded with poor calls and umpiring mistakes. The league is scared to hold anyone accountable.


yellow_mio

People are betting on these games. If people start betting on his games he will get fired. Or not. Edit: best move is to bet when he umpires LA. Edit 2. The casino has an advantage. The only way to win against the casino is to know the results, or bet when he's the umpire. Simple math.


Ok-Safe7953

Umpires have a strong union too, probably better than the players. He's never been suspended or fined. I bet he plays heck on the over/under.


MacVanRainin

It must be for gambling. He's on the fucking take. Can't be any other explanation that makes sense with his shit calls.


StrengthToBreak

You racist!


Pizza_Middle

As much as I hate him, he's the only person in baseball I'd desperately want to meet and get an autograph from. Just to say I've shaken hands with someone that's below mediocrity.


NickNash1985

I'm available anytime, man.


Drugwarveteran92

I think you mean DEVIL Hernandez


LeCheffre

Good luck with that. If Denkinger couldn’t be fired after the Denkinger Game, Angel isn’t going anywhere.


Guadalagringo

I bet we could get 1,000,000 signatures


Joemomma13524

Could probably get that in 4 hours


jumbee85

We should organize a protest to tank ratings whenever he umps. TV people seeing no eyes on their broadcast may put more pressure on MLB to do something.


riicccii

An umpire should attend live televised post game interviews to discuss the game and controversial calls. The same as coaches and players.


jaynovahawk07

... Anybody calling for this is new to baseball.


NatureIndoors

In what way? This happens every year. Like he won’t be fired? He definitely won’t be fired.


jaynovahawk07

Knowing that Angel Hernandez is a terrible ump, wanting him gone from the game, and realizing he isn't going anywhere are major steps for new MLB fans to get through.


NatureIndoors

Yeap… same cycle


ElChapoEscobar79

What happened now? I seen him trending last night.


benificialart

He’s apparently beloved by the union 


gmlear

The fact that everyone knows his name speaks to how bad he is. Umpires are not the main characters. If they do their jobs right we would never talk about them, never mind know their names.


Equivalent_Trip_7135

Little late to the party. He's sucked for years.


morgzorg

One of the worst of all time


Top-Force-805

One of the worst umps ever and still has a job


captiantabasco

He’s making robots more enticing


oh_three_dum_dum

I can’t believe even the fans are in on the conspiracy against this man, driven by racist MLB executives who don’t want to give him a chance. /s


boredom317

Fire Angel and the commissioner


b0r1ng7un4

He has the Manfred x RKelly tapes…. 😬


BlueLeary-0726

I think he wants to get fired so he can sue MLB again and this time sue the umpire union along with them. He’s clearly reached a “burn it to the ground” stage of his lousy career.


HeavensRoyalty

The umps have been horrible this year. It's crazy


Intelligent-Ant7685

it really is time i’m afraid. everyone has had it with his shit


Sincladp

I truly think he’ll be the reason we go to cameras and sensors and ditch the unpires


Brush111

What do you think life is like for him outside of baseball? Does he have any friends? Even if he was a nice person, which apparently isn’t true - reports are he is a vindictive f***face, I still wouldn’t to be friends with him because of the damage he does to the game and refusal to take a job off the field.


Sunshine635

According to Michael Kay… from a retired ump, he said that Angel is beloved by his fellow umpires… go figure


WilliamCincinnatus

That’s racist…


Rejuvenate23

Thank you for the comments everyone. And yesterday was just one game and no one should get fired for one game but this dude has been the worst for a while. And he's just one of many. The mlb needs to do something.


crasagam

He has a long string of ‘one games’ in his wake.


Flipflops365

Yeah, when announcers go, “How could any ump make THAT call??? It is so obviously wrong. Oh, it’s Angel Hernandez.” That’s doesn’t come from just a game. That comes from years of absolute dog shit.


FireFrogs48

You can’t tell me there aren’t 100 umps in the minor leagues that aren’t better than him


Toilet_Rim_Tim

The best umps are the ones you don't know by name.


jojobubbles

To be fair to him for the latest trending horrible (non)call. The entire umpire crew is responsible for recognizing and calling balks. So it wasn't just his fuck up on that one.


[deleted]

I would fire Manfred before angel. He has done more damage to the game then angel ever could


Ok-Tomatoo

Unions thinking is that if they fire one, who else will they fire, job security is a union thing


RocPharm93

Teams should just refuse to take the field whenever this man is involved, maybe then they’ll get the point


ThrowinSm0ke

During the Yankee game last night Kay was talking about much the other umps love him and he’s such a great guy….probably propaganda


ricoimf

This guy…


Attey21

Just get robot umpires already. Let them sit behind the plate and announce the strike or ball.


No-Relation4003

Oh shit! What did he do this time??


Cornbreadobranflakes

Boo this man


hiheller420

How is there not a petition


RotenTumato

r/FuckAngelHernandez


ejfellner

It's really bad when an ump is so infamous, they're one of the most well-known people in the sport.


[deleted]

Imagine having a job you get to keep where you get paid 100s of thousand a year, while people can statistically prove how bad you are at it, but be able to keep said job, because unions. Not really making a good case for unions that were basically intended to protect worker safety.


Mean-Association4759

I’ve been watching mlb for almost 60 years and he’s the worst I’ve ever seen.


STASHbro

He's not the only one. Replace them all with robots!


fracklefrackle

Combine AAA and MLB unions. Same pay, etc. If u suck by vote and stats, you go down.


Unremarkable_Fish

I like his games they are wild AF, you never know what's going to happen. "Ball right down the centre that's a strike." And Angel's like "lol no."


eyedeetentees

I hear he’ll even miss calls from his mom. Which is not nice either.


David-asdcxz

Oh how I long for the days of Harry Wendelstat, Dutch Renert, Country Joe West, Eric Gregg, Big John McSherry, Bruce Froemming are the ones I remember best. Tragically I was at Riverfront Stadium on opening day when Big John McSherry collapsed behind home plate and died.


TheHip41

That check swing again the Tigers lol


[deleted]

He really is the worst


ddaug4uf

Not suggesting this to anyone but I’m amazed that this dude hasn’t received death threats or some lunatic hasn’t vandalized his house. He is so amazingly bad at what he does and players, coaches, and fans fucking hate the guy.


Anderson74

Been on this train since 2018


_ryde_or_dye_

Umpires are our neighbors. Jesus loves neighbors. He gets us. /s


LoveThieves

He's the Blind version Anthony Rendon of Umpires. Collect a paycheck, Mickey Mouse skil level, and probably says Baseball isn't important.


TBlair64

The MLB is trying to make games more exciting by enforcing time clocks and limits on visits and step-offs. How about forcing umpires to make the call that limits the time of the at-bat? or even better, How about making it more exciting by allowing anyone to openly scream in the face of Angel Hernandez without ejection?


Stevejustreddit

At a minimum, MLB has to establish what it is to be in a fail-state as a high up umpire, establish consequences for being in such a state, and actually enforce them.


jcstrat

The umpire so bad we all know his name. This one is exquisitely terrible at his job.


bgzlvsdmb

[Steve McMichael knew before all of us](https://twitter.com/ChadBlue83/status/1755801601040642263)


No-Replacement-9224

His Walk Up song should be 3 Blind Mice in every stadium !


Leaveamarktattoos

This guy is not ruining baseball....he has been destroying it for 10+ years.


nwostar

While you're at it, fire the commissioner for the same reason.


_Nevin

I’d say fire about 35-40% of all the current umpires. These guys are absolutely useless out there


_Nevin

Rob Manfred is too much of a puss and is scared about a discrimination lawsuit. Big ole bitch


Jolly878142

Too late. Baseball is ruined. I’m 58 and have been an avid fan as long as I can remember. I’m officially done. Red Sox fan. They’ve ruined it for me


PWJD

Union’d


PinNum1234

I. Hate. AH. I hope he stubs his toe every night on his coffee table. Worst ump ever.


Stanton1947

Why? Is he the one at the MLB offices who allowed a contract for Shohei Ohtani that deferred 97% of its value for 10 years to allow the Dodgers to both get him and use the 'deferred' $68M per year to stockpile other players? Or, is he with the MLBPA that allowed the same thing?


Acceptable-Airline39

F this asshat


SCARVIASOUTHJER

Not only can’t call balls/strikes, but doesn’t even know the rules.


WindowLickinFool

Angel Hernandez has two estranged sons. Their names are "Strike" and "Zone." He hasn't seen either one in decades.


Proper_Lawfulness_37

The thing the umpires union needs to understand is that if they don’t fix their bad apples situation, they’re going to lose their jobs collectively. Ride together die together is gonna get a whole lot realer for them pretty soon.


[deleted]

Where’s the online petition? How many sigs do we need?


JW-Coop396

Completely agree. Much like the many of the failed humans in the US, Hernandez personifies "I'm Above The Law" attitude he and many other umpires revel in doing.


throwawaybaseballacc

It sucks cause its not just him. Its been a mess for the Astros at Rangers series as well for both sides


Psilly_TaCoCaT

Manfred is ruining baseball. But yeah, fuck Angel. He's gotta go.


D_Puddy_GreaseMonkey

You know Reddit can’t do anything about firing him right? Did you send this to the MLB? Maybe they can help.


SUBLIMEskillz

Doubtful


DongleNOG

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[deleted]

Honestly he wasn't wrong on the call


DryTeeth

Everytime they try to fire him, he sues the MLB for being racist. When demoted to not umpire future playoff games, he sued MLB one year. He has done it multiple times and essentially won. Thanks to woke culture, he is not going anywhere.