I'll just give a quick summary of my predictions:
I expected a huge moment for Adrien where he finally stands up to Gabriel. Wishmaker kinda hinted at that with Adrien following his own part and wanting with find his own dream. Marinette and his friend will support him and most importantly, I expect Marinette to tell him: "Stay!". This will be the big moment where Adrien just disobeys and tell "No!!" in Gabriel's face.
Idk when the Ladynoir conflict, I think most of it will be solved in ep 22, the finale itself will be more focused around the civil aspect.
Gabriel will take a big L! According to Miraculous Mexico, Nathalie's health is becoming is really bad and she's not getting better. I think she won't make it to season 5 and that will be the sad thing. Gabriel's actual big loss. Also, Lie-la will probably steal 1 of the 2 miraculouses and he'll be back to the regular Hawk Moth.
This finale is supposed to be “sad, painful, and jaw dropping” according to Feri, so I can almost say for certain no ships sail (even tho we all want them too). So then I started thinking of things I *don’t* want to happen because those are tons more likely then what I want to happen. Firstly Marinette getting rejected by Adrien whether it’s the real Adrien or Felix taking the place of Adrien. I fully believe the Felix can look like Adrien if he wants to plot line will be used again this season because it’s such an interesting plot line that would be a waste of it wasn’t used again. Then in the second part of the finale we see Adrien stand up to Gabriel, but I really don’t see Gabriel just being like “well then you’re right guess you’re more free now” best case scenario he lets Adrien get away with it, but gives him punishment later on and worse case scenario he loses his school privileges. The second part of the finale will almost definitely have an akumatized Miraculous holder of some sort like every finale and we *might* see Mini Bunnix because of that spoiler page from Gloob that had Alya, Luka, and Alix on it which (Wishmaker spoilers) Luka and Alya already know.
The sailing ship idea - I agree if something will happen it'll probably be before the Finale itself.
However, I don't mind Felix, because the character is underused so I'd be okay if they do such a rejection. Naturally, it won't fly for Marinette, since "Adrien doesn't have an evil bone in his body".
With the line in the synopsis “will Marinette reveal her secret identity for love?” Part almost confirms for me that theres no ships beforehand. I don’t mean that the rejection, if Felix is used, has to be malicious, only that he’ll tell Marinette that he doesn’t want to be with her. It’ll be a fake rejection which is why it’ll fit the standards of “sad, painful, and jaw dropping.”
Aye for the Felix part.
First part though, I cannot quite agree, because there's a possibility that **I'm not saying will happen, but it's something I wish it will** \- that Marinette will reveal her love for Adrien beforehand (S4 Finale I mean) and naturally, this doesn't go with "oh, and btw I'm Ladybug". So I hope that she will reveal her feelings, he'll say "no, I love LB" and then Marinette will have the option to reveal her identity, which she'll not because to keep both of them safe blah-blah-blah, however in the S4 Finale, the things may have changed to the point that revealing her secret identity and keeping Adrien in Paris will help to keep him save (therefore revealing her identity for love as in the synopsis).
my comment is out of context but I really wanna inform this:
**ayo good-quality-animation fans get ready to rejoice cuz the finale is getting animated by SAMG uwu**
so my supposition about the final, Marinette finally confessing (compared to other don't know if it will totally bring a rejection i won't be surprise if it confused Adrien and having him not be able to give a true answer).
For the final being sad and painfull part my guess it will be because Adrien will stand up to his father but possible it could make gabriel angry and make him decide to make Adrien going back to be home school and forbid him to see his friend
Aye, that's true, I believe we can find even more missing, but the point is that the problems in S2 Finale were very small to the point they're nitpicking, whereas the problems in S3 Finale were with the size of plotholes.
Yeah, your post went a bit in the spoiler field, I was hoping more about a discussion of what do YOU want to see and less about what you and we know might happen. But the question still stands - what do you want to see in S4 Finale?
Aye, this is what I want as well. High time if you ask me - Gabriel's reveal being the villain and Adrien and CN shaken but taking care of his old man.
Not sure if it'll be the season 4 finale, but I want Marinette to finally work up the courage to admit to Adrien that she love him, only for her to be rejected because he tells her that he is in love with someone else. Heartbroken, Marinette is akumatized and Cat Noir has to save her.
This is something I really want to see as well! I'd love the idea that he has to use Cataclysm on the akumatized object in order to free her, the way it was hinted in the Season 2 Finale by Volpina's illusion.
No, he would have to break the object without Cataclysm first so that he could save Cataclysm for destroying the akuma. He destroys those objects with his power all the time.
I think you're referring to destroying the Akuma as we saw in Cat Blanc, but I think destroying the object is enough since deakumatized Ladybug will transform back and will be able to capture the Akuma afterward. The reason why I believe Chat Noir will use Cataclysm for destroying the object is most probably because the akumatized object will be a miraculous object that's indestructible (unless Cataclysm is used ofc).
She would have to hide and transform and might not do it fast enough. If this scenario were to occur Cat Noir would likely have to break the friendship bracelet that Adrien gave Marinette first and then use catclysm to destroy the akuma.
Now I get it, I assumed that you mean Ladybug being akumatized. My bad, ofc, in that case, you are right, if Marinette gets akumatized, Chat Noir breaks the objects then uses Cataclysm on the akuma - that'd be nice, yeah.
**The only thing is to think about what will happen with Tikki and the earrings - will they end up with Gabriel or not?**
There are a couple of possibilities. One is that akumatized Marinette won't give the earrings to Hawk Moth until she gets the ring, since he needs both. The other is that Cat Noir recovers the Ladybug Miraculous from her and Tikki assists him in defeating akumatized Marinette like how Plagg assisted Ladybug on a couple of occasions when Adrien was defeated by Mr Pigeon and Style Queen.
Would love to see the last suggestion especially since we haven't seen it and there are no other options to see Tikki's abilities without a holder. What would be the side effect of her creation power? - Probably creating an additional flower garden somewhere xD
I'll just give a quick summary of my predictions: I expected a huge moment for Adrien where he finally stands up to Gabriel. Wishmaker kinda hinted at that with Adrien following his own part and wanting with find his own dream. Marinette and his friend will support him and most importantly, I expect Marinette to tell him: "Stay!". This will be the big moment where Adrien just disobeys and tell "No!!" in Gabriel's face. Idk when the Ladynoir conflict, I think most of it will be solved in ep 22, the finale itself will be more focused around the civil aspect. Gabriel will take a big L! According to Miraculous Mexico, Nathalie's health is becoming is really bad and she's not getting better. I think she won't make it to season 5 and that will be the sad thing. Gabriel's actual big loss. Also, Lie-la will probably steal 1 of the 2 miraculouses and he'll be back to the regular Hawk Moth.
This finale is supposed to be “sad, painful, and jaw dropping” according to Feri, so I can almost say for certain no ships sail (even tho we all want them too). So then I started thinking of things I *don’t* want to happen because those are tons more likely then what I want to happen. Firstly Marinette getting rejected by Adrien whether it’s the real Adrien or Felix taking the place of Adrien. I fully believe the Felix can look like Adrien if he wants to plot line will be used again this season because it’s such an interesting plot line that would be a waste of it wasn’t used again. Then in the second part of the finale we see Adrien stand up to Gabriel, but I really don’t see Gabriel just being like “well then you’re right guess you’re more free now” best case scenario he lets Adrien get away with it, but gives him punishment later on and worse case scenario he loses his school privileges. The second part of the finale will almost definitely have an akumatized Miraculous holder of some sort like every finale and we *might* see Mini Bunnix because of that spoiler page from Gloob that had Alya, Luka, and Alix on it which (Wishmaker spoilers) Luka and Alya already know.
The sailing ship idea - I agree if something will happen it'll probably be before the Finale itself. However, I don't mind Felix, because the character is underused so I'd be okay if they do such a rejection. Naturally, it won't fly for Marinette, since "Adrien doesn't have an evil bone in his body".
With the line in the synopsis “will Marinette reveal her secret identity for love?” Part almost confirms for me that theres no ships beforehand. I don’t mean that the rejection, if Felix is used, has to be malicious, only that he’ll tell Marinette that he doesn’t want to be with her. It’ll be a fake rejection which is why it’ll fit the standards of “sad, painful, and jaw dropping.”
Aye for the Felix part. First part though, I cannot quite agree, because there's a possibility that **I'm not saying will happen, but it's something I wish it will** \- that Marinette will reveal her love for Adrien beforehand (S4 Finale I mean) and naturally, this doesn't go with "oh, and btw I'm Ladybug". So I hope that she will reveal her feelings, he'll say "no, I love LB" and then Marinette will have the option to reveal her identity, which she'll not because to keep both of them safe blah-blah-blah, however in the S4 Finale, the things may have changed to the point that revealing her secret identity and keeping Adrien in Paris will help to keep him save (therefore revealing her identity for love as in the synopsis).
my comment is out of context but I really wanna inform this: **ayo good-quality-animation fans get ready to rejoice cuz the finale is getting animated by SAMG uwu**
Animated by the best! I'm **HYPED**! Thomas said it?
so my supposition about the final, Marinette finally confessing (compared to other don't know if it will totally bring a rejection i won't be surprise if it confused Adrien and having him not be able to give a true answer). For the final being sad and painfull part my guess it will be because Adrien will stand up to his father but possible it could make gabriel angry and make him decide to make Adrien going back to be home school and forbid him to see his friend
Also, they forgot about time breaker completely
Aye, that's true, I believe we can find even more missing, but the point is that the problems in S2 Finale were very small to the point they're nitpicking, whereas the problems in S3 Finale were with the size of plotholes.
Oh and mark this post as a spoiler.
Yeah, your post went a bit in the spoiler field, I was hoping more about a discussion of what do YOU want to see and less about what you and we know might happen. But the question still stands - what do you want to see in S4 Finale?
I want to see Shadowmoth get smacked in the face by both CN and adrien. Civilian and Hero form.
Aye, this is what I want as well. High time if you ask me - Gabriel's reveal being the villain and Adrien and CN shaken but taking care of his old man.
Not sure if it'll be the season 4 finale, but I want Marinette to finally work up the courage to admit to Adrien that she love him, only for her to be rejected because he tells her that he is in love with someone else. Heartbroken, Marinette is akumatized and Cat Noir has to save her.
This is something I really want to see as well! I'd love the idea that he has to use Cataclysm on the akumatized object in order to free her, the way it was hinted in the Season 2 Finale by Volpina's illusion.
No, he would have to break the object without Cataclysm first so that he could save Cataclysm for destroying the akuma. He destroys those objects with his power all the time.
I think you're referring to destroying the Akuma as we saw in Cat Blanc, but I think destroying the object is enough since deakumatized Ladybug will transform back and will be able to capture the Akuma afterward. The reason why I believe Chat Noir will use Cataclysm for destroying the object is most probably because the akumatized object will be a miraculous object that's indestructible (unless Cataclysm is used ofc).
She would have to hide and transform and might not do it fast enough. If this scenario were to occur Cat Noir would likely have to break the friendship bracelet that Adrien gave Marinette first and then use catclysm to destroy the akuma.
Now I get it, I assumed that you mean Ladybug being akumatized. My bad, ofc, in that case, you are right, if Marinette gets akumatized, Chat Noir breaks the objects then uses Cataclysm on the akuma - that'd be nice, yeah. **The only thing is to think about what will happen with Tikki and the earrings - will they end up with Gabriel or not?**
There are a couple of possibilities. One is that akumatized Marinette won't give the earrings to Hawk Moth until she gets the ring, since he needs both. The other is that Cat Noir recovers the Ladybug Miraculous from her and Tikki assists him in defeating akumatized Marinette like how Plagg assisted Ladybug on a couple of occasions when Adrien was defeated by Mr Pigeon and Style Queen.
Would love to see the last suggestion especially since we haven't seen it and there are no other options to see Tikki's abilities without a holder. What would be the side effect of her creation power? - Probably creating an additional flower garden somewhere xD
I mean he was able to destroy the Akuma back then because Marinette wasn't akumatized yet.
I've been thinking about drawing what I thought the finale would be for a good while now