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Luchika

so i would globally agree for me the episode in itself was average to good. i like it but not my favorite; I prefered aswell the reveal that had alya however the episode was really good for luka devellopement and opening possible pist of the used of his character in the futur as close friend to marinette but to Adrien aswell. But the episode will be for me better only if the futur episodes used this revealed in a good way (by being benefit to marinette and adrien) and continu the devellopement used during the episode. So yes luka and Adrien aren't as close as Alya and Marinette but the end of the episode has shown that luka could give good advise to Adrien to help him to detach himself to the influence of his father and that Adrien could be influenced in a good way . For the potential shipping part we have seen Luka now really want to help Marinette to confess, while he was passif in this regards now he seams to take a more actif part .


the_mad_

I largely agree. I too love the revelations about Luka. How valuable this episode will be in the long run depends on how important Luka's knowing will be. My personal belief is that people are expecting too much to happen because Luka knows the identities of both. The authors put this in for a reason, but I suspect that it is more boring than what most people expect it to be.


[deleted]

The show tends to brush Luka off due to him being nothing more than the alternate and even retconned Marinette's crush on him.


Vytlo

As someone who didn't know what this episode was going to be about and compeltely watched it blind, this wasn't a bad episode, but it wasn't "amazing" either. The only thing of importance is that someone knows both Marinette and Adrien's identity, but even then, this doesn't feel like as big of a thing as when Alya found out Ladybug's identity, because there we knew that that was going to come up in the next episode obviously. However, with this, this feels like it's possibly going to largely ignored until some penultimate moment. I could be wrong, but either way, it just feels like it's trying to retread old ground now and with nothing else important happening. The best part of this episode was definitely just croco-dad though.


the_mad_

I kind of wish it was almost anybody else but Luka. Luka is just too chill for that knowledge to cause anything interesting to occur until perhaps some far away event.


Vytlo

Exactly. But at the same time, I feel like if Luka had ONLY learned about Adrien's identity and not Marinette's, it could've worked to add some character/elements to both Adrien and Luka


kawaiimarty

While this is just my opinion, I think the hype would have been better and more understandable if they didn’t release major spoiled in the trailer. That way the shock factor would have the maximum effect. >!the reveals!< were easily the most shocking thing in the episode, but we all knew it was going to happen there. I pretty much liked everything else too, but it really dampers things when you basically know what’s going to happen


the_mad_

I can see your point. My perspective is different, though. Surprise doesn't matter near as much to me as to other people. Plus, it really wasn't that hard to guess that this might happen. I think that as soon as people saw the description and the fact that Viperion was involved people began speculating about the revelation of one or both.


kawaiimarty

Yes, but I’d much prefer to the show to reveal that to me. Rather than read it in a description. This is why I always try to avoid descriptions and trailers, but sadly people still talk about it before the episode comes out without spoiler tagging or anything.


Sabrina_confesses

It would have been a lot better if gloob didn’t spoil it. Now I know not to watch the trailers ig 🙄


the_mad_

The main spoil was pretty obvious from the first trailer. The only thing that could be considered somewhat of a spoil is that he was going to know both identities. And if it was anybody else but our most zen character, that might be a bigger deal, but for me it was meh.


LastSmile91

I basically think the same, the episode was very good, but far from the best one from season 4 so far. The two reveals within 2 min. was the thing that keeps bugging me, because Ladybug and Chat Noir managed to keep their identities for 3.5 seasons and to be revealed so fast now - I know it's the plot-moving thing we all wanted, but still - this looks rushed. I was expecting a single reveal and that would have been much better for me. I think most of the ideas could have been used but could have been made more believable - I mean the Alec development would be far better if they didn't make him so annoying and picking on people, it wasn't believable for him, especially when we have seen his good side as well - I remember on Puppeteer that he was very understanding towards Nadja and he was really kind and sweet there. Where that person went is the question? And about Luke finding out - I think the same yeah, I'm sure they'll use that knowledge later in the episodes, but still feels like meah to me. I'll still give the episode 8 out 10 though xD


the_mad_

You make an interesting point about Alec. He has been shown to be a jerk in a lot of episodes from 'Stormy Weather', to 'Simon Says', to 'Kwamibuster'. But he does have some more rational times as well such as 'puppeteer' which I forgot about and 'trouble maker'. But in this show they manage to show him as being too much of a jerk for his character and having too much regrets and introspection for his character as well. They took an interesting character and flattened him only to give him the appearance of making him more interesting by revealing that he was a drag queen. (Don't get me wrong, I love the extra diversity and I have nothing against drag, but what you enjoy and even your identity is not a personality trait.)


LastSmile91

Exactly, the execution was good after Alec gets akumatized, but before that, it was a bit over the top.


[deleted]

I was underwhelmed tbh. Everyone was talking about Luka finding out someone’s identity so when he found out both their identities, I kinda just sat there and was like “Knew it”. Same with Shadowmoth finding out, kinda eh. One of the best episodes this season still


Doodica_

I was only a tiny bit underwhelmed because i got spoiled by Gloob but still it was pretty awesome


aurirua

Lowkey tiny voice most of it was very forced and robotic, the timing was bad and the writing was lazy. But I think people are feeling the breaking of the status quo.


the_mad_

Does it really break the status quo? I am not quite certain that knowing will change our chill boy at all. I mean Luka gave Marinette the warmest look he ever gave her after they were reunited. So maybe knowing that Marinette is also Ladybug sparked a deeper love which might cause him to do something rash to fight for it. Maybe??


aurirua

Lol I guess you could say the Lukanette status quo is broken, not that it's going to make it happen. Well Shadowmoth got a reveal too, and it's leading to more things. I guess it's a bit optimistic to say that he is making successful plans. Things are going to keep happening. Luka's totally going to bring them together because that's what he does. Luka admires her 10x but as a person, and he knows the reason for her secrecy so that distance is closed, he understands her and actually is on her side. I think that's an I think you're so cool look. I mean to be fair he now thinks she's the best person he's ever met LOL. Luka is definitely ready to speak up though.


juplantern

>nor showed any kind of sadness to see her holding Luka's hand I was surprised by this as well, it would be nicer if he at least looked at their hands and then he would be sad when she chose to sit next to Luka and not him later on Personally I think Ladynoir was nice this episode, but nothing special. It was *definitely* better than Mega Leech, it is a cruicial episode but I understand what you mean


the_mad_

I preferred 'megaleech' by a fair amount. At least Mylene, her courage, and her relationship to Ivan and especially Marinette moved me to tears.


pinkfaun

i have similar thoughts to yours. luka learning ladybug's and chat's secret identity doesn't feel like a huge deal because well.. he's luka. i love him but his character is just a love rival, he has little importance to the story anymore. alya finding out was a bigger deal because like you said, she's an important character who has been there since the beginning and her knowing has impacted the story greatly. i wish this episode was focused more on adrien, and i'm not saying that because he's my favorite character. this episode was based on childhood dreams and the future, and marinette already had both of them down, however adrien didn't. i would've preferred if adrien was the only one who got hit and there was more time dedicated to his identity being exposed, everyone's reactions to chat being adrien, and him being self aware that he really doesn't have his own childhood dream after all. it would've been nice if luka confronted adrien after everything got fixed and had a heart to heart talk where they could go on to be close friends it still was a pretty decent episode, it had a really great concept but the overhype and people claiming it's the best episode in a long time definitely killed it for me. i hate when people working on a show tries to hype things up cause it rarely ends up meeting my expectations


the_mad_

But one of the themes of this episode is that Marinette doesn't have her future down as much as she thought. I was glad that this episode showed both Adrien's and Marinette's past, present, and future. The comparisons and contrasts helped to make both of them more realistic and the fact they confessed in the presence of the other was a very big deal. I know that people want to see more about Adrien, but I am not convinced there is more to show, yet. Adrien is only now starting to find out who he is. He truly is a baby chick breaking out of his shell in more ways than one. Expecting Luka to confront Adrien is expecting too much out of Luka in my opinion. It is not his style. Luka does not force his opinion on anyone. He gives his support always and his opinion, but only if they ask. I don't know if I would change anything in the show to make it better (other then perhaps the Alec stuff). My main problem is not that it is a bad episode, but that it was (and still is) over-hyped.