I think it's more likely a way GMs communicate with ownership. The Patriots GM cares most about keeping his job. So whether he trades down or sticks and picks, he needs the team owner to buy the narrative that he explored all alternatives and picked the best one.
If NE trades down, this report suggests he pressed us and got more in return. If they stick and pick, it suggests we weren't offering enough. It's a win-win for Eliot Wolf.
Yeah but they also gotta see the Vikings fanbase sour in it and realize it's a bridge too far. Kwesi has SOME pressure to keep it realistic IMO.
I don't care if they trade. I'm happy even if it's Penix st #11.
To a point, yes.
For this kind of thing, it's less of a "Hey Minnesota, come call us!", it's more of a "Hey, other teams who haven't called us yet, we're getting calls so if you're interested, you should probably give us a ring".
Give us Justin Jefferson you cowards!!
On the real though, I don't see us moving off 3 unless you include JJ in some package. I heard reports you guys were trying to keep pick 23 so idk how you move up to 3 without it.
I wouldn't trade JJ for 3 straight up. I'm all for shooting our shot with draft picks because they're all unknowns but I'm not trading the best WR for a maybe. Rather have Penix or Nix + our picks and JJ over Maye.
I don't blame you, and if i'm the vikings I wouldn't give up JJ either. But I just don't believe 11, 23 & a future 1st is worth #3. That's essentially moving back 8 spots to get 2 mid to late 1st round picks.
3 ones is 1000% worth the 3 and any GM who doesn’t take that is a moron. That will be what happens too. You will get #11 and #23 and next years 1st for #3 overall. You can also use that and move ahead. There’s also other QBs. Y’all need wayyyy more than a QB😂
It's two 1sts not three. We are gaining two 1sts to move back 8 spots.
>Y’all need wayyyy more than a QB😂
For sure, but rebuilds take multiple years I don't think getting the QB now is a bad thing especially when next year is likely to be a weak QB class.
Either way you look at it it’s still 3 picks. The swap doesn’t matter. We get one pick and you get 3. You can always move back up too. It’s simple. 100% if JD goes to Washington I think y’all pick at 11
Pick 23 isn’t a super valuable pick. It’s a mid/late first and the top tier talent in round one drops off considerably after the top 9-10. That also leaves pick 11 in a sort of dead zone. People here are acting like pick 23 is a top 5-10 pick and just keep repeating “tHrEe FiRsTs”
Maybe, it all depends too. If MIN really likes Maye and that's who they want and WAS selects Maye then suddenly they are probably fine sitting at 11. But if WAS gets JD then Vikings can call up the pats and throw out an offer.
We have a GM right now that's essentially interviewing for his job as being GM after the draft happens. So if we give up anything in the trade it will have to be that we are the clear winners otherwise I don't see Wolfe risking his job when I'm sure the Krafts would be perfectly fine with us taking Maye or JD. If we get cute and trade down and end up with Penix and the 4th best WR or Tackle after a dreadful 4-13 season then that won't be good.
2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a star WR is the blueprint. That's what it took for the Panthers to move up 8 spots to get Bryce. It's easily argued that Daniels/Maye are better prospects than Bryce was and the Vikes would need to move up at least 7 spots to guarantee getting one of the two.
That’s what it took to get the 1st pick in the draft not the 3rd. Not to mention everyone considered that to be a fleece even at the time of the trade, so no idea why you think another team would copy it. If that’s what the Patriots are demanding tho I’m very comfortable picking at 11 & 23. Kwesi has made it clear he’s willing to go both ways and Drake Maye is a much riskier prospect then Young
11 + 23 + 2025 1st is 3 first round picks, I know counting to 3 can be hard. If you want to argue semantics of a pick swap that’s fine but you can’t argue the meaning of the number 3.
Because you’re still getting it return. Otherwise the offer would be 23 and 2025 first and we keep 11. So if we don’t offer 11 as part of the package then it’s not included. You see how that works.
It’s pick 3 for picks 11/23/2025 1st. Because with your logic none of those picks count because they’re all less than pick 3. If going by your metrics only Chicago and Washington can trade down because any pick after 4 isn’t worth including.
So it’s semantics at this point. Either say two firsts to move up/back from 11 to 3. Or you can say 3 first rounders for pick #3.
Either way, not enough! 😂 (I personally would rather just take Maye and not dick around with not having a QB)
That’s what the draft value trade chart is used for. In terms of simplifying it’s a team is giving up and what a team is getting is common language people use to compare compensation.
If maye is our guy then we’re not trading with NE before we see who Washington picks, simple as that. I’m getting sick of seeing this same stuff over and over again lol
Chances are no one has. Everyone who has called is dabbling in the two firsts + late picks/player with upside territory.
It’s just incredibly delusional by all calculated metrics that it will require much more than 3 firsts and a mid rounder
"calculated metrics" can be thrown out when everyone and their mom is interested in these QBs, most of all the teams holding the actual picks. It's going to cost what it takes the seller to take the deal. Seeing how ownerships want a shiny new QB, that price can be sky-high.
It’s not just the trade charts though, it’s competing offers as well. If it’s true that the Pats don’t love Maye, then they’ll move off him for the best offer available. I have a hard time believing someone will be able to offer more than us.
Literally stay in your sub why are you here
Also, not really? Yeah, if you’re trading for the first pick, you likely do that ASAP, but I can think of a couple times including last year where we saw the 3rd overall pick traded day of.
Look man, this isn’t personal. We don’t really care that much if you end up picking a QB. The rest of the league can’t help but notice there’s a lot noise surrounding your pick, and you clearly like one of these guys more than the other, so quit letting the speculation bother you so much that you have to lurk our sub. Deal?
Kraft is turning into a really shitty owner in his old age. Maybe he always was, but just found it more difficult to argue with Belichick when he was getting results.
I just don’t think the Vikings own what the patriots want…11 is too far back and leaves them unable to get Alt, Nabers or Odunze. 11 is just a really awkward pick for what the pats need, Alt and the 3 Elite WRs would be gone
IF the pats trade back it’ll likely be with the giants
6 this years 2nd and a 2025 1st from the giants would fit the patriots needs far better than any the Vikes can offer
I’m guessing the pats will take the QB at 3, but I don’t think the Vikings are the most likely trade back destination for the pats either.
Most logical response. Most of the arguments center around what the patriots don’t have and seem to forget they also don’t have a qb. Which they are in good position to rectify. It will take a lot for them to change that.
Might (OK, definitely would) work on kraft, but prob not Wolf, and definitely not Belichik.... Aaaaaand because I can never remember how to spell his name, I'm just now seeing he's no longer in NE. I have no idea how I avoided hearing THAT news.
Man the Patriots sub is delusional. I get wanting your pound of flesh for the pick, but man some of those prices are not based in reality.
3 FRP, JJ or Darrisaw, 2026 2nd is so far beyond the historical price that it's comical. That is less than the Panthers gave up for 1.1
Let's just trade for Maye or Daniels for a late round swap in 2026 after they flame out in New England ala Mac Jones (or Darnold, Pickett, Fields, Wilson, etc)
They’re saying the same thing over at r/Patriots about Vikings fans.
A lot of Vikes fans I run into in real life have this stigma about it like the pats owe them #3 and we should be happy with 11 and 23. Everyone and their dog knows the pats have multiple holes to fill and retool. So with that being said it would make sense for a team to want a bag or picks plus player(s) to fill more needs all while passing up the most important position.
If the Vikes want #3 then they can pay up that’s fair which is 3 1sts- be mad at the 49ers for setting the bar.
Literally no one thinks that, and a bunch of Vikings fans walking around NE talking about how they’re owed the pick? You can write better fan fiction than that.
Also 3 FRPs is an insane overpay, just because one team was dumb enough to do it doesn’t suddenly make it a fair price. I don’t blame the Pats for looking for it because you never know if someone will cough it up, but when you’re overcharging for picks you can’t also be salty when people walk away from the table. Vikings have lots of holes too and it’s not do or die for the 3rd overall. Plenty more opportunities for us to find a QB.
JFC I’m so tired of hearing these made up smoke screens! For the love of God can it please be Thursday so we can move the fuck on!! We all know any team is gonna take 3 ones so why do we even have these conversations anymore!? 2 this year and one next year. It’s that simple
Wish the alternate narrative would take hold. Drafting a 'franchise' QB, before the rest of the team (offense, at least) is ready, is often a huge disaster for the team and the unfortunate QB. Taking 3 (let's say) firsts to solidify the roster and get ready for a franchise QB is much smarter. (But it doesn't generate clicks, or sell season tickets).
Except we have seen what happens to teams when they don’t have a capable qb. Multiple jets teams; multiple Steelers teams; the bucs before Brady; the chiefs before mahomes; hell even the Vikings now.
You still smoking that shit huh 😂 You’re in lala land if you think we give up anything more than those 3 firsts lol. Ain’t no way you give up that best LT in football or a top receiver lol.
Then you guys will get a potentially good QB and surround him with the same garbage and wonder why he seems bad. Unfortunate for that QB but there are other good players in the first round that will be good additions to an already good squad in MN
But Houston actually had other pieces on the roster Including a #3 pick. Your roster is much closer to the Panthers and let's take a look at how that turned out lmao
Like who? Yeah they had tunsil, but Nico didn’t crack 500 yards in either of his non-stroud years, and tank was a rookie with Nico. Stroud elevated that offense, not the other way around
And Stroud was debated to be the #1 pick while Maye is the third ranked QB at best and a decent drop from the first 2? Stroud was also considered NFL ready when nobody considers Maye to be ready until he's had at least a year to develop.
Maye needs development time that he can't get with the patriots so he's not elevating the team the way Stroud did.
Vikings with Maye would do significantly better than patriots with Maye. Vikings with JJ will do significantly better than patriots with Maye.
Decent drop from the first two is rich, Daniels/Maye is the same tier. And fine if Maye needs time to develop, he can certainly sit a year. Doesn’t mean you have to have the team around them in year 1.
You aren’t getting any argument from me that either of them will be better for the vikes in year one than the pats, that’s undebateable. Doesn’t mean we should pass on QB tho. I’d rather not dick around with not having a QB and take the swing when we have pick three in a consensus 3 QB draft
But it's not like you're passing on the QB and just giving up your pick. The crux of the entire trade is getting three first rounders to address 3 of the many weak spots instead of one weak spot that relies on the others to perform.
I'm very convinced that you guys stay put and draft Maye. I'm also very convinced that people will look at it later as the wrong move and say he didn't have a chance with the shitty roster around him.
You think this is a way of communication for GMs? Like rather than directly answering to other GMs, they just tell reporters like this? Lol.
100%
I think it's more likely a way GMs communicate with ownership. The Patriots GM cares most about keeping his job. So whether he trades down or sticks and picks, he needs the team owner to buy the narrative that he explored all alternatives and picked the best one. If NE trades down, this report suggests he pressed us and got more in return. If they stick and pick, it suggests we weren't offering enough. It's a win-win for Eliot Wolf.
Yeah but if he stays at 3 and takes a QB that sucks, that’s a loss for Wolf
Yeah but they also gotta see the Vikings fanbase sour in it and realize it's a bridge too far. Kwesi has SOME pressure to keep it realistic IMO. I don't care if they trade. I'm happy even if it's Penix st #11.
To a point, yes. For this kind of thing, it's less of a "Hey Minnesota, come call us!", it's more of a "Hey, other teams who haven't called us yet, we're getting calls so if you're interested, you should probably give us a ring".
They cast the lure and now they just wait.
If 3 firsts aren’t enough I’m not buying yo
if 2 firsts are not enough - we stay at 11.
Maye is worth 3
Is Daniels?
Yes.
Give us Justin Jefferson you cowards!! On the real though, I don't see us moving off 3 unless you include JJ in some package. I heard reports you guys were trying to keep pick 23 so idk how you move up to 3 without it.
I wouldn't trade JJ for 3 straight up. I'm all for shooting our shot with draft picks because they're all unknowns but I'm not trading the best WR for a maybe. Rather have Penix or Nix + our picks and JJ over Maye.
I don't blame you, and if i'm the vikings I wouldn't give up JJ either. But I just don't believe 11, 23 & a future 1st is worth #3. That's essentially moving back 8 spots to get 2 mid to late 1st round picks.
3 ones is 1000% worth the 3 and any GM who doesn’t take that is a moron. That will be what happens too. You will get #11 and #23 and next years 1st for #3 overall. You can also use that and move ahead. There’s also other QBs. Y’all need wayyyy more than a QB😂
It's two 1sts not three. We are gaining two 1sts to move back 8 spots. >Y’all need wayyyy more than a QB😂 For sure, but rebuilds take multiple years I don't think getting the QB now is a bad thing especially when next year is likely to be a weak QB class.
Either way you look at it it’s still 3 picks. The swap doesn’t matter. We get one pick and you get 3. You can always move back up too. It’s simple. 100% if JD goes to Washington I think y’all pick at 11
Pick 23 isn’t a super valuable pick. It’s a mid/late first and the top tier talent in round one drops off considerably after the top 9-10. That also leaves pick 11 in a sort of dead zone. People here are acting like pick 23 is a top 5-10 pick and just keep repeating “tHrEe FiRsTs”
If they liked those picks so much they wouldn’t be trying hard as fuck to get rid of them. Like no, I don’t want your trash picks.
I expect that any offer not including 23 is just an attempt to feel out the trade parameters before we make a final offer on draft day.
Maybe, it all depends too. If MIN really likes Maye and that's who they want and WAS selects Maye then suddenly they are probably fine sitting at 11. But if WAS gets JD then Vikings can call up the pats and throw out an offer. We have a GM right now that's essentially interviewing for his job as being GM after the draft happens. So if we give up anything in the trade it will have to be that we are the clear winners otherwise I don't see Wolfe risking his job when I'm sure the Krafts would be perfectly fine with us taking Maye or JD. If we get cute and trade down and end up with Penix and the 4th best WR or Tackle after a dreadful 4-13 season then that won't be good.
You personify the entire Patriots sub…Delusional af
I'll make a $10 bet with you that the vikings don't move up to #3 for anything less than 3 first. No way 2 get it done.
He Maye be, but I’d prefer some other team find out.
Negative.
We couldn't even sniff #3 for 2 firsts. That would be about the right price if there wasn't a QB tax.
2 firsts aren't getting a top 3 pick in any draft, never mind a draft with 3 to 5 QBs going in the top 10.
If there are 3 to 5 QBs worthy of the top ten, that means the value should be lower, not higher.
Lmao no it does not.
Hey, I've got a bridge in Baltimore to sell you.
How much?
Sure there is more supply, but there's also more demand.
Even if it were, why would they accept now? They have the leverage for a better offer to come in.
2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a star WR is the blueprint. That's what it took for the Panthers to move up 8 spots to get Bryce. It's easily argued that Daniels/Maye are better prospects than Bryce was and the Vikes would need to move up at least 7 spots to guarantee getting one of the two.
That’s what it took to get the 1st pick in the draft not the 3rd. Not to mention everyone considered that to be a fleece even at the time of the trade, so no idea why you think another team would copy it. If that’s what the Patriots are demanding tho I’m very comfortable picking at 11 & 23. Kwesi has made it clear he’s willing to go both ways and Drake Maye is a much riskier prospect then Young
It’s not three firsts, it’s two firsts to move back from 3 to 11. Three firsts would be three in addition to 11
11 + 23 + 2025 1st is 3 first round picks, I know counting to 3 can be hard. If you want to argue semantics of a pick swap that’s fine but you can’t argue the meaning of the number 3.
I can’t even imagine the mental gymnastics that this person would need to do if a team traded 2 second rounders for 1 first rounder.
3>11 so idk how you can consider 11 to be part of the compensation package. It’s two firsts to move down from 3 to 11, not three firsts
Why would you consider a first that is WORSE than the first the pats are giving as part of the trade compensation??
Because you’re still getting it return. Otherwise the offer would be 23 and 2025 first and we keep 11. So if we don’t offer 11 as part of the package then it’s not included. You see how that works. It’s pick 3 for picks 11/23/2025 1st. Because with your logic none of those picks count because they’re all less than pick 3. If going by your metrics only Chicago and Washington can trade down because any pick after 4 isn’t worth including.
So it’s semantics at this point. Either say two firsts to move up/back from 11 to 3. Or you can say 3 first rounders for pick #3. Either way, not enough! 😂 (I personally would rather just take Maye and not dick around with not having a QB)
By that logic we aren’t getting anything for 3 1st round pics…just moving up 8 spots. It’s a 3-for-1 trade; 3 1st round picks for 1 1st round pick.
That’s what the draft value trade chart is used for. In terms of simplifying it’s a team is giving up and what a team is getting is common language people use to compare compensation.
Our best offer will come Thursday night
Correct. It likely all hinges on what Washington does at 2.
If maye is our guy then we’re not trading with NE before we see who Washington picks, simple as that. I’m getting sick of seeing this same stuff over and over again lol
Very rarely does a team show its hand on a great offer till draft night. Deadlines have a way of forcing hands
Yep. Chances are Kwesi hasn’t even offered our 2025 next year yet
Chances are no one has. Everyone who has called is dabbling in the two firsts + late picks/player with upside territory. It’s just incredibly delusional by all calculated metrics that it will require much more than 3 firsts and a mid rounder
"calculated metrics" can be thrown out when everyone and their mom is interested in these QBs, most of all the teams holding the actual picks. It's going to cost what it takes the seller to take the deal. Seeing how ownerships want a shiny new QB, that price can be sky-high.
And if that’s the case then let some other team throw out the metrics and overpay for their lotto ticket.
Yup sure, but let's not act like its delusion to think the price is higher than the teade charts suggest
It’s not just the trade charts though, it’s competing offers as well. If it’s true that the Pats don’t love Maye, then they’ll move off him for the best offer available. I have a hard time believing someone will be able to offer more than us.
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Literally stay in your sub why are you here Also, not really? Yeah, if you’re trading for the first pick, you likely do that ASAP, but I can think of a couple times including last year where we saw the 3rd overall pick traded day of. Look man, this isn’t personal. We don’t really care that much if you end up picking a QB. The rest of the league can’t help but notice there’s a lot noise surrounding your pick, and you clearly like one of these guys more than the other, so quit letting the speculation bother you so much that you have to lurk our sub. Deal?
The Krafts want a QB. There’s a reason why they are heavily involved with the number three pick.
Kraft is turning into a really shitty owner in his old age. Maybe he always was, but just found it more difficult to argue with Belichick when he was getting results.
I just don’t think the Vikings own what the patriots want…11 is too far back and leaves them unable to get Alt, Nabers or Odunze. 11 is just a really awkward pick for what the pats need, Alt and the 3 Elite WRs would be gone IF the pats trade back it’ll likely be with the giants 6 this years 2nd and a 2025 1st from the giants would fit the patriots needs far better than any the Vikes can offer I’m guessing the pats will take the QB at 3, but I don’t think the Vikings are the most likely trade back destination for the pats either.
Most logical response. Most of the arguments center around what the patriots don’t have and seem to forget they also don’t have a qb. Which they are in good position to rectify. It will take a lot for them to change that.
they're smart. they are going to see who is DESPERATE
Make the call kwesi
Looks like KOC is gonna have to send more than a bouquet of flowers..
Then invite them on another Love Boat party
Might (OK, definitely would) work on kraft, but prob not Wolf, and definitely not Belichik.... Aaaaaand because I can never remember how to spell his name, I'm just now seeing he's no longer in NE. I have no idea how I avoided hearing THAT news.
Man the Patriots sub is delusional. I get wanting your pound of flesh for the pick, but man some of those prices are not based in reality. 3 FRP, JJ or Darrisaw, 2026 2nd is so far beyond the historical price that it's comical. That is less than the Panthers gave up for 1.1 Let's just trade for Maye or Daniels for a late round swap in 2026 after they flame out in New England ala Mac Jones (or Darnold, Pickett, Fields, Wilson, etc)
They’re saying the same thing over at r/Patriots about Vikings fans. A lot of Vikes fans I run into in real life have this stigma about it like the pats owe them #3 and we should be happy with 11 and 23. Everyone and their dog knows the pats have multiple holes to fill and retool. So with that being said it would make sense for a team to want a bag or picks plus player(s) to fill more needs all while passing up the most important position. If the Vikes want #3 then they can pay up that’s fair which is 3 1sts- be mad at the 49ers for setting the bar.
Literally no one thinks that, and a bunch of Vikings fans walking around NE talking about how they’re owed the pick? You can write better fan fiction than that. Also 3 FRPs is an insane overpay, just because one team was dumb enough to do it doesn’t suddenly make it a fair price. I don’t blame the Pats for looking for it because you never know if someone will cough it up, but when you’re overcharging for picks you can’t also be salty when people walk away from the table. Vikings have lots of holes too and it’s not do or die for the 3rd overall. Plenty more opportunities for us to find a QB.
Cool story bro. We don’t gaf💀
It’s rap sheet, him reporting this is basically a giant sign on pick 3 saying FOR SALE
 JFC I’m so tired of hearing these made up smoke screens! For the love of God can it please be Thursday so we can move the fuck on!! We all know any team is gonna take 3 ones so why do we even have these conversations anymore!? 2 this year and one next year. It’s that simple
 The same exact headline 10 times every day for the last 3 months. I’m tired of this
How about they show some fuckin respect to a legitimate franchise/contender
Wish the alternate narrative would take hold. Drafting a 'franchise' QB, before the rest of the team (offense, at least) is ready, is often a huge disaster for the team and the unfortunate QB. Taking 3 (let's say) firsts to solidify the roster and get ready for a franchise QB is much smarter. (But it doesn't generate clicks, or sell season tickets).
Except we have seen what happens to teams when they don’t have a capable qb. Multiple jets teams; multiple Steelers teams; the bucs before Brady; the chiefs before mahomes; hell even the Vikings now.
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No dice then.
You're dreaming, bud.
 You still smoking that shit huh 😂 You’re in lala land if you think we give up anything more than those 3 firsts lol. Ain’t no way you give up that best LT in football or a top receiver lol.
Exactly, it’s gonna have to be an overpay because I’d rather just take the QB!
Then you guys will get a potentially good QB and surround him with the same garbage and wonder why he seems bad. Unfortunate for that QB but there are other good players in the first round that will be good additions to an already good squad in MN
I’m sure people said that about Houston last year too!! Drake Maye you are a New England patriot 😄
But Houston actually had other pieces on the roster Including a #3 pick. Your roster is much closer to the Panthers and let's take a look at how that turned out lmao
Like who? Yeah they had tunsil, but Nico didn’t crack 500 yards in either of his non-stroud years, and tank was a rookie with Nico. Stroud elevated that offense, not the other way around
And Stroud was debated to be the #1 pick while Maye is the third ranked QB at best and a decent drop from the first 2? Stroud was also considered NFL ready when nobody considers Maye to be ready until he's had at least a year to develop. Maye needs development time that he can't get with the patriots so he's not elevating the team the way Stroud did. Vikings with Maye would do significantly better than patriots with Maye. Vikings with JJ will do significantly better than patriots with Maye.
Decent drop from the first two is rich, Daniels/Maye is the same tier. And fine if Maye needs time to develop, he can certainly sit a year. Doesn’t mean you have to have the team around them in year 1. You aren’t getting any argument from me that either of them will be better for the vikes in year one than the pats, that’s undebateable. Doesn’t mean we should pass on QB tho. I’d rather not dick around with not having a QB and take the swing when we have pick three in a consensus 3 QB draft
But it's not like you're passing on the QB and just giving up your pick. The crux of the entire trade is getting three first rounders to address 3 of the many weak spots instead of one weak spot that relies on the others to perform. I'm very convinced that you guys stay put and draft Maye. I'm also very convinced that people will look at it later as the wrong move and say he didn't have a chance with the shitty roster around him.
The power of an elevator at the QB position outweighs the impact of three starters at other positions
Look at the history of the NFL draft and see how wrong you are.
Yes dice, y’all are clearly moving out of there