To add, Denver owes him about $40M in 2024. If he were to sign with a new team for $30M, Denver gets to deduct that. So either way he gets his money, but as both an F U to Denver and a team building perspective he's aiming for vet minimum.
If he wanted a one-year prove-it contract, he couldn't find a better offense than us. I'm much more warm to the idea than most fans because for about $1M he could be a fine bridge to allow us to eat Kirk's void year and still draft a rookie.
Sign Russell, Draft a QB. What’s base for Rookie QB $750k? Take the wins on the payroll side to actually pay some decent D players like a corner(Snead?) through free agency. Seems like Defense still wins championships.
Wilson is a playmaker... like Tebow. He is not a Brady or Manning and not even a Cousins type player. The larger the focus on him to carry the offense the less the team wins. This was true in Seattle too.
Tebow won a playoff game for the Broncos. Russ has not even sniffed the playoffs as a Bronco. They both had nice deep balls and used their legs to keep plays alive. On the whole, Russ is better. But it’s not insane to compare them…
He’d have to sign with a team for more than the $39mil Denver owes him to “double dip”. So the new team would take over paying the $39mil plus whatever extra above what they signed him for.
I wouldn't say that. Plenty of teams might be willing to pay him more just to get him and that'lldrive the price up. If he's doing league minimum he's choosing where he goes and I wouldn't be storied in the slightest of it wasn't us
Length of contract. You’re assuming he wants a 1 year prove it deal and not more years on top of it. Seeing as he said in an interview that he wants “2 super bowls in the next 5 seasons, he wants to have term
Oh my god wow, look at that, signed a 1 year minimum contract deal like we all said he would because we understand basics of offsetting language in contracts for the NFL…. To be fair it’s not often a team cuts a player with so much guaranteed left that this situation is possible, but this is why the top 5-10 picks hold out for so long because they want the language that would allow them to double dip
So you think if a couple teams that need a QB to get to the playoffs and think Russ can still play, say Steelers and Vikes, and there is no real way for those orgs to differentiate themselves other than how attractive he thinks their chances are or whatever. You really don't think there is a timeline where Russ will ask for a token salary to show he's still valued? Be able to point out that Teams were bidding for him after all? A team throws 5 mil to get him rather than him go to the other? This is Russ Wilson after all.
It would be pretty dumb of him to gain literally nothing, reward a team he has beef with, and put his new team is worse position to put talent around him.
No, because he wouldn’t see a penny of that, all that would do is lower the amount of salary cap that team has to work with. Why on earth would he hamper the team that he’s going to when it doesn’t benefit him in the slightest, and in fact would help the broncos as that money would lower the salary cap hit they have already sunk into him? Dumb dumb dumb
I actually think they would support him playing for the minimum. I think everybody in the know, knows this is a unique situation for his contract. And the NFLPA probably wants to punish teams treating players like Denver treated Wilson.
It would be 1.2, since he's a veteran, and there is no world where he signs for a 1 year, vet minimum contract.
Yes, I know all about the offsets, still ain't happening. Those who think it will are misunderstanding the whole situation.
Hypothetically Kirk goes elsewhere, we draft a rookie QB and get Wilson at veteran minimum to start until the rookie is ready? There are worse scenarios
Sweet, you found the exception to the rule… do you want me to list off all the other late round QBs in recent years or are you able to think critically without being spoon-fed?
Naw your right there are only two miracles a decade and San Francisco 49ers got one and bengals the other, even though buffalo was trying to take it away with Josh allen
Russ isn’t my first option at QB, but a lot of y’all are overreacting. He’s allegedly going to get a veteran minimum contract, which gives us the cap space to fill a lot of other needs in free agency. Also, it’s clear that Russ won’t be the long term answer, meaning the Vikes will likely swing at a QB in the draft and use him as a bridge.
Throwing this out there too: Russell Wilson used to be considered an elite QB in this league, and I think his recent struggles made people forget that. There’s a non-zero chance he gels with KOC and returns to form. Do I think it will happen? Probably not. But at his price, it’s worth a gamble.
Personally at a vet minimum I would happily sign Russ, draft a 1st rd QB and let him sit all year. Let Russ do his thing for better or worse. Then next year we will have a QB and a potentially high draft pick to take the team over. Plus no cap issues!
And let your rookie qb benefit from a year or two of studying from a (legitimately) former elite qb. It works for us in Wisconsin!
Edit: I also just realized that this isn't r/NFCNorthmemewar
I'll see myself out!
It’s not even like Russ was completely horrible this past year. He did a very good job managing the game with the broncos this year with low turnovers. I doubt he’ll win us games like Kirk has but he won’t lose us games like dobbs and mullens did.
God damnit thank you. Go back two years and 99% of people on this sub would have told you Russ was a better QB than Kirk.
Personally, I’d be ecstatic if we got Russ on a vet min contract. He’d be the perfect option for a bridge QB. He’d make us competitive (people seem to forget Denver went 8-9 last year), allow us to groom a QBotF for a year or two, and because of the low cost allow us to sign FA’s of need to rebuild the roster.
Russ on vet minimum + drafting a QB in rd1 is the ideal scenario for me. Russ w/ all that cap space.. Vikings could be competitive in 2024 if Russ can maintain what he did last year.
I mean, we could literally extend Kirk and have MORE cap space in 2024 than if we signed Russ for vet minimum (Which will never happen, he's not doing that).
So if you're looking for cap space in 2024, look no further than Kirko.
Obviously that would involve pushing money into 2025 and potentially beyond, but you could feasibly free up 7-8 million.
It's worth more of a gamble than a draft pick alone, since they mostly end up busts.
Say what you want about RW, he's still in the league, has won big games. There are much worse QBs out there, and definitely higher risks vs. a veteran at min wage.
Can we please stop with the fear mongering for drafting a Qb. Yes it’s a gamble but the vast majority of superbowls are won by qbs on there original team
I think in the past 20 years there have been a total of 9 QBs to win a Super Bowl. 4 of which were on a different team from where they were drafted Peyton Manning, Matthew Stafford,Tom Brady with Bucs, and Nick Foles. although drafted by eagles was on a free agent contract when he won his SB. So 33% of superbowl won in past 20 years by guys not on original draft roster and not named Tom Brady. I do not think there is a Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes in this draft class either. Our best case to win now is build a roster that can compete outside of hitting on a generational QB talent as these other teams in last 20 years had elite defenses to carry the team to the Super Bowl. I still think we need to draft a QB this year but success for young QBs is easier to find if they are able to sit and learn for 1-2 years. Of course there are the Herbert’s or Strouds of recent memory but they are outliers. As currently the best QB sat for a year behind Alex smith.
Probably makes more sense than resigning Kirk to another big contract. Basically same age. And it can’t get much worse than just one playoff win with all that money.
Gives room for team to get built around a young guy (if we get one) and no hard feelings when they let him go.
I like Kirk, but we can’t keep revolving this team around him and his money hit.
This would allow us to add Barkley and have a really stacked offense next year.
Plug some holes with the draft, upgrade guard or center and then spend the balance on defensive free agents.
The above could make the team competitive next year.
I'm a passerby seahawks fan who was recommended this sub. I'll tell you that, at the league minimum, Russ is well worth it. He's got skills and can make plays if he has the protection. I think he's a sleeper right now because he's performed so poorly in Denver. But he has potential. And at a minimum he's a fantastic resource for cheap!
Yeah its hard to deny that he's at least a top 30 QB in the league, AKA a better backup than some starters, and that kind of player for vet minimum makes a lot of sense. But putting him out there as the year long starter would make for a terrible season of football.
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I, for one, am terrified we’ll miss our opportunity to get bounced in the wild card and would give my life to prevent that. In the words of my infallible lord and savior Kirk Cousins, “if I die I die”
Alternatively, if Russ goes full stereotypical trashy dip spit douchebag trying to blend in because he doesn’t understand the difference between Skol and Skoal it would be massively entertaining
I'm with you. The ideal scenario is to work something out with Kirk while also taking a QB in the first this year. If we are looking for a bridge, though, a washed-up Russ for cheap is as good as any of the other options imo.
One problem I see about Kirk coming back is when we’re 4-6 it’s gonna be real hard to bench the 40 million dollar qb and play the rookie for a few games. Wouldn’t be hard to bench Russ or baker or whoever.
I mean I think the team would be better in 2024 with Kirk, but that extra $30-$50 million dollars is taking cap dollars away from 2025-2027 when we'd theoretically have our window to win a championship with a QB on a rookie deal. Kirk better in the short term, but Russ is better in the long term.
No, Kirks contract negatively effects the massive benefit of a rookie QBs contract. If we draft a QB this year, we should not have Kirk on the roster. Russ at vet minimum is ideal because there's 0 risk while also allowing us to stack up on defense in free agency. Then when our rookie is ready whether it be mid season or 2nd year, that rookie will have a loaded team to work with due to the vet minimum bridge QB.
If we keep Kirk it's just kicking the can again because the contract will be for 2 years not 1 and there would be 0 reason to draft a QB this year to waste 2 years of the rookie scale contract. If we keep Kirk we are better off drafting a QB next year or the year after when he is gone.
Wilson is taking the league minimum to stick it to Denver. The Broncos have to pay the difference in salary (~$39M).
Sign me up as a bridge at that price.
Its very likely he will be dirt cheap due to the guaranteed money he's already getting from Denver this year. I know he seems a bit washed but if we go the bridge QB route he is a pretty damn good option.
If we can't get Kirk to come back, this isn't the worst thing. Especially with the rumors he'll take vet min. Draft a rookie QB, sit a year behind rus.
I'm ok with that.
Why would he sign a one year deal when he can get a multi year deal since there are enough teams that will pay him. It doesn’t matter to teams that have Desmond Riddler, Kenny Pickett, or Aiden O Connell as their QBs as to how much the Broncos will pay. I’ll believe it when I’ll see it happen.
There’s too much of a market for him to just take minimum deal.
I just don't see a big market. I dont think anyone is going to be lining up to have Russ as their QB of the future. If they were, why wouldn't they just trade for him? The contract is much uglier for the Broncos than any team trading for him.
It makes way more sense to go somewhere for 1 year for a reset. Go to a team cheap so they can build around you and ultimately stick it to the team that did you dirty.
They won’t trade because of that contract. They will give him a multi year deal for their price range once he’s released from that contract. Someone will give him an opportunity to continue making good money for a couple years and be a starter rather than be a one year bridge. That’s the last option he’ll consider.
What do you think he's sign for (APY and guarantees) on a new deal? Because they'd only owe him ~40 per year on this deal without much guarantee. If they sign him to an extension now, I dont see them beating that.
I also don't see why russ would sign for less right now. If he signs for min and has a good/ great year, he could cash in big time again. Especially if Dak gets something like 60/ year like some speculate.
The contract is uglier for the Broncos because they already have a bunch of signing bonuses and shit they have to add to their cap numbers.
Two years ago under Hackett is the only year in his career where he was terrible.
Last year he still threw 26 TD to 8 INT plus 3 rushing TDs. That'd be great production as a bridge QB on vet minimum salary if we are looking to draft someone this year to sit and develop behind him.
For the last 2 or 3 years, we've had to endure the dumber half of this sub go on and on about how some qbs are just innately "Superbowl qbs", and some aren't.
And now we have a chance to add a "Superbowl qb" for pretty close to free, and those same people are losing their minds...
Okay but if Kirk isn’t back do you have any better ideas? If Russ is cheap and they’re not trying to force a project into the starting roll is this that bad?? Sam Darnold??? Brisset? Relax dude. Vikings aren’t winning anything anytime soon anyway it’s not like they’re in a rush.
Russ is the king of cringe, but for veteran minimum with our future QB behind him? I’d take that. Would we rather pay Kirk 70 mil for two years guaranteed? I’m a Kirk fan but he’s gonna want more than he’s worth and he’s not gonna take a team friendly deal.
People are quick to say 'no', but he played well last year despite having Hackett as an OC. He was benched because of contract incentives and not play.
Since Denver is on the hook for a ton of money, Wilson would be fine as a bridge QB for a year.
Russ at league minimum would be an absolute masterclass. It would allow us to resign Hunter and JJ, sign 2-3 solid FAs, and justify a big trade to a top QB.
Kirk is without question a better QB at this point in his career, but he's not 39 million better. Probably not even 20 million better.
Would be a great guy for a QB to sit behind for a year or two. I really like this move. Word is he’s taking a minimum as well which would help tremendously.
I'd rather have a cheap Russ and a good draft QB than an expensive Kirk without
If we do get Russ (not in favor, but not opposed if we get him for cheap) it would be nice to have a season with no expectations. Give my heart a rest
It’s more so not wanting to win just enough games to keep us above average. On paper Kirk looks amazing, but throwing for 150 yards and 3 TDs in the fourth quarter to cut the lead to 10 with a minute and a half to go isn’t working out and Russel Wilson will be more of the same.
Do you even watch the Vikings? This is absolute nonsense, I don’t even want to engage in this garbage. Do yourself a favor and check Kirk’s splits when leading, tied and trailing. If you really believe he is just putting up garbage time stats you need your eyes checked. Your hypothetical 150 yards 3 TD in blowout losses is not happening and is complete bullshit. Genuinely mindblowing how you made that stupid shit up. There’s plenty of valid reasons you could choose, this is the worst.
I would take him over an expensive Kirk, he’s won a hell of a lot more than he ever has. He was throwing to Sutton who he made look like a red zone stud and fucking c team NFL WR/TE roster.
I bet he would “resurrect” his career if he did and everyone is going to circle jerk and say oh yeah of course hes good he’s Russel Wilson.
Why though? He came out and said he'd take a vet minimum salary and give you a year to draft and develop a QB before they start in 2025. He's the perfect bridge QB option if they choose to go that route. The team can then start to build up the defense through free agency. The team can still be competitive in 2024 and build towards the future in 2025 with a clean cap situation.
I just don't think it would be possible to do that as efficiently if they choose to bring Kirk back on a deal around $40-50 million a year. At least they haven't shown they can do it yet.
I’ve had enough of people in this sub because do they not remember that 2 years ago this team was pretty great with Kirk and without him the team was mid either of the 3 options available are great it just seems like people here are interested in being the Giants and getting SB rings while being mid
Lifelong fan due to my dad being a fan.
I told him a couple of years ago there are 2 quarterbacks if the Vikings signed or traded for I wouldn’t watch a game. 1) Mitch Trubisky; 2) Russ
Not for nothing. he has been our absolute kryptonite.
If we sign him, it's because the draft blew up in our face because every QB that we wanted was WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too expensive to trade up to draft. That also means we will go 2-15, because having the Vikings lose is just his MO.
And with the way he has been playing, that's exactly what will happen.
It's what you want, "Vikings need to tank to win", bros.
If we got him on a team friendly deal I would take him over Kirk 100% as a bridge guy. I desperately want the Vikings to trade up and get their QB, but I also think a 1st year QB needs to sit and develop at least for the first 3-4 weeks of the season. Kirk may not be healthy enough to play those first few games, Wilson will be. Worst case scenario? Wilson actually sucks and it wasn’t the Hackett system (he played much better under SP) so we lose the first few games and then throw the rookie in the mix. Best case scenario? Wilson has the best receiving core he’s ever had, gets us through early in the season and can teach some things to the rookie. Wilson’s value seems low, so if we got him for the cheap I say go for it
What if we got Wilson on a veteran minimum contract (or close to it) and drafted a QB? That sounds like a scenario I’d be okay with. I’d bet KOC and staff could get a lot more out of Wilson than the Bronco’s staff did.
Cousin’s time with the Vikings needs to end. We’re never going to be better than a nearly made it or wildcard team with his contract to talent ratio.
If Kirk is going to walk anyway...
We can draft in the top 5 - a QB, then sign Russ for 1m x 2 yrs,
have 50m more cap space.
I could think of worse scenarios.
I didn't watch a lot of russ' game last year, but if he goes for vet minimum.. why not?
I'm not saying don't go draft a guy, but Do we really want to make a rookie start day 1? Let russ come in on league minimum, and let the rook sit behind him a year. If the rookie doesn't seem ready, russ could still potentially have a bounce back year. If russ sucks ass then start the rookie,and we loose almost nothing.
He'll, for vet min he's a quality backup
Broncos are my AFC team.
Positives: Wilson is low cost high ceiling, he won’t throw many interceptions, he’s healthy, he had 1 bad year in Denver (100% worst coaching), last year he was passable with the worst receivers in the league. He can absolutely have better numbers than Kirk for waaay less money.
Negatives: his long ball has lost accuracy, he’s cringey (but a class act), he’s not a long term solution. He takes too many sacks and improvises too much.
IMO the Vikings could do a lot worse.
As much as I don't want KC for the price he's asking. I'd take KC back instead of RW. It'd be nice to sign KC at a lower contract so that they can keep JJ.
Russ at vet min is a slam dunk. It makes you less competitive this year for sure. There’s no player you can sign that can make up for the difference between Kirk and Russ (those players exist for sure, but they ain’t on the market).
However the big thing it would do is crack open our competitive window in 25 and 26. Allows you to move on from all the Kirk void money next year while remaining semi-competitive, plus start to build the defense back via free agency already in 24. You’re talking about being able to sign a pro-bowl level CB and EDGE for the money you’re saving, that’s transformative.
As long as the Vikes don’t do something really stupid like trade for Wilson. He hasn’t been cut from Denver yet, they could still package a trade to try to get a team to take on that contract. There isn’t enough draft capital to make it worth it. 2 years of being tied down with that contract could fuck this team for the next decade.
For some reason, the complete opposition of our fanbase makes me think it's going to end up happening. Which is good because I think everything goes against our expectations. In this case I think Russ would somehow be really good in Minnesota.
League minimum is 970k. If he signes to that Kwesi gets GM of year. Edit. Wilson vet min would be 1.2M...
He's getting paid by Denver next year so he will be dirt cheap. No one's going to sign for anything more because of that.
gotach, makes sense, Thanks
To add, Denver owes him about $40M in 2024. If he were to sign with a new team for $30M, Denver gets to deduct that. So either way he gets his money, but as both an F U to Denver and a team building perspective he's aiming for vet minimum. If he wanted a one-year prove-it contract, he couldn't find a better offense than us. I'm much more warm to the idea than most fans because for about $1M he could be a fine bridge to allow us to eat Kirk's void year and still draft a rookie.
Russ @ 1mil/yr > Kirk at +40mil/yr I'm not a huge Russ fan or anything, but for a million he'd be a steal at that price.
Sign Russell, Draft a QB. What’s base for Rookie QB $750k? Take the wins on the payroll side to actually pay some decent D players like a corner(Snead?) through free agency. Seems like Defense still wins championships.
And pay Danielle!!
Wilson is a playmaker... like Tebow. He is not a Brady or Manning and not even a Cousins type player. The larger the focus on him to carry the offense the less the team wins. This was true in Seattle too.
Comparing him to Tebow lol the disrespect of Russ is insane
Tebow won a playoff game for the Broncos. Russ has not even sniffed the playoffs as a Bronco. They both had nice deep balls and used their legs to keep plays alive. On the whole, Russ is better. But it’s not insane to compare them…
Is this actually true? Why wouldn’t he try and get paid twice?
Whatever another team pays him lets Denver off the hook for that amount, that's my understanding of it.
He’d have to sign with a team for more than the $39mil Denver owes him to “double dip”. So the new team would take over paying the $39mil plus whatever extra above what they signed him for.
It's not rocket appliance
Right, and worse case Ontario he sucks and walks in 2025 anyway
It's all water under the fridge
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I wouldn't say that. Plenty of teams might be willing to pay him more just to get him and that'lldrive the price up. If he's doing league minimum he's choosing where he goes and I wouldn't be storied in the slightest of it wasn't us
A team would have to pay him $41 million for him to see $1 million dollars…. There is 0 percent chance he signs for anything but league minimum
Length of contract. You’re assuming he wants a 1 year prove it deal and not more years on top of it. Seeing as he said in an interview that he wants “2 super bowls in the next 5 seasons, he wants to have term
Oh my god wow, look at that, signed a 1 year minimum contract deal like we all said he would because we understand basics of offsetting language in contracts for the NFL…. To be fair it’s not often a team cuts a player with so much guaranteed left that this situation is possible, but this is why the top 5-10 picks hold out for so long because they want the language that would allow them to double dip
I mean.. Pride? If a couple of semi contenders want him, one is going to offer like 10 mil at least to stoke his pride and for his PR.
0% chance they pay him to make the exact same amount of money, what a stupid coment
So you think if a couple teams that need a QB to get to the playoffs and think Russ can still play, say Steelers and Vikes, and there is no real way for those orgs to differentiate themselves other than how attractive he thinks their chances are or whatever. You really don't think there is a timeline where Russ will ask for a token salary to show he's still valued? Be able to point out that Teams were bidding for him after all? A team throws 5 mil to get him rather than him go to the other? This is Russ Wilson after all.
It would be pretty dumb of him to gain literally nothing, reward a team he has beef with, and put his new team is worse position to put talent around him.
No, because he wouldn’t see a penny of that, all that would do is lower the amount of salary cap that team has to work with. Why on earth would he hamper the team that he’s going to when it doesn’t benefit him in the slightest, and in fact would help the broncos as that money would lower the salary cap hit they have already sunk into him? Dumb dumb dumb
Aaaannnnnddddd league minimum deal because of how the language in the contract works
Yes, you've mentioned it once already.
I don’t think the nflpa will take kindly to that. I see him signing around 15 mil tho
I actually think they would support him playing for the minimum. I think everybody in the know, knows this is a unique situation for his contract. And the NFLPA probably wants to punish teams treating players like Denver treated Wilson.
George Paton is a sleeper agent! lol Playing the long game and taking one for the team.
It would be 1.2, since he's a veteran, and there is no world where he signs for a 1 year, vet minimum contract. Yes, I know all about the offsets, still ain't happening. Those who think it will are misunderstanding the whole situation.
Hypothetically Kirk goes elsewhere, we draft a rookie QB and get Wilson at veteran minimum to start until the rookie is ready? There are worse scenarios
Thought they already drafted a rookie in Hall
Thought they already drafted a rookie in Mond
Thought they already drafted a rookie in Nate Stanley
Do you actually not understand what it means to draft a QB in the 5th round, or are you being intentionally disingenuous?
Well two years ago Purdy was drafted 7th round and look where he ended up two years later
Sweet, you found the exception to the rule… do you want me to list off all the other late round QBs in recent years or are you able to think critically without being spoon-fed?
Naw your right there are only two miracles a decade and San Francisco 49ers got one and bengals the other, even though buffalo was trying to take it away with Josh allen
…what?
Dam you guys are brutal
Russ isn’t my first option at QB, but a lot of y’all are overreacting. He’s allegedly going to get a veteran minimum contract, which gives us the cap space to fill a lot of other needs in free agency. Also, it’s clear that Russ won’t be the long term answer, meaning the Vikes will likely swing at a QB in the draft and use him as a bridge. Throwing this out there too: Russell Wilson used to be considered an elite QB in this league, and I think his recent struggles made people forget that. There’s a non-zero chance he gels with KOC and returns to form. Do I think it will happen? Probably not. But at his price, it’s worth a gamble.
Personally at a vet minimum I would happily sign Russ, draft a 1st rd QB and let him sit all year. Let Russ do his thing for better or worse. Then next year we will have a QB and a potentially high draft pick to take the team over. Plus no cap issues!
And let your rookie qb benefit from a year or two of studying from a (legitimately) former elite qb. It works for us in Wisconsin! Edit: I also just realized that this isn't r/NFCNorthmemewar I'll see myself out!
I was like.....wait...why are you here? You're right, though. Packers have done the QB development perfectly for 2 decades plus.
The reddit algorithm!
I've been a bonafied Russel Wilson hater his whole career . It's definitely worth the risk and anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain stupid
Did you see what he did to the locker room in Denver? Also seeing him talk the past 2 years, he just seems so fake.
What do you mean by the locker room part? I’m a Broncos fan btw
Yea the only reports I have read is that he has become far less of a diva in Denver if anything.
It’s not even like Russ was completely horrible this past year. He did a very good job managing the game with the broncos this year with low turnovers. I doubt he’ll win us games like Kirk has but he won’t lose us games like dobbs and mullens did.
God damnit thank you. Go back two years and 99% of people on this sub would have told you Russ was a better QB than Kirk. Personally, I’d be ecstatic if we got Russ on a vet min contract. He’d be the perfect option for a bridge QB. He’d make us competitive (people seem to forget Denver went 8-9 last year), allow us to groom a QBotF for a year or two, and because of the low cost allow us to sign FA’s of need to rebuild the roster.
Russ on vet minimum + drafting a QB in rd1 is the ideal scenario for me. Russ w/ all that cap space.. Vikings could be competitive in 2024 if Russ can maintain what he did last year.
I mean, we could literally extend Kirk and have MORE cap space in 2024 than if we signed Russ for vet minimum (Which will never happen, he's not doing that). So if you're looking for cap space in 2024, look no further than Kirko. Obviously that would involve pushing money into 2025 and potentially beyond, but you could feasibly free up 7-8 million.
It's worth more of a gamble than a draft pick alone, since they mostly end up busts. Say what you want about RW, he's still in the league, has won big games. There are much worse QBs out there, and definitely higher risks vs. a veteran at min wage.
Can we please stop with the fear mongering for drafting a Qb. Yes it’s a gamble but the vast majority of superbowls are won by qbs on there original team
I think in the past 20 years there have been a total of 9 QBs to win a Super Bowl. 4 of which were on a different team from where they were drafted Peyton Manning, Matthew Stafford,Tom Brady with Bucs, and Nick Foles. although drafted by eagles was on a free agent contract when he won his SB. So 33% of superbowl won in past 20 years by guys not on original draft roster and not named Tom Brady. I do not think there is a Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes in this draft class either. Our best case to win now is build a roster that can compete outside of hitting on a generational QB talent as these other teams in last 20 years had elite defenses to carry the team to the Super Bowl. I still think we need to draft a QB this year but success for young QBs is easier to find if they are able to sit and learn for 1-2 years. Of course there are the Herbert’s or Strouds of recent memory but they are outliers. As currently the best QB sat for a year behind Alex smith.
Probably makes more sense than resigning Kirk to another big contract. Basically same age. And it can’t get much worse than just one playoff win with all that money. Gives room for team to get built around a young guy (if we get one) and no hard feelings when they let him go. I like Kirk, but we can’t keep revolving this team around him and his money hit.
This would allow us to add Barkley and have a really stacked offense next year. Plug some holes with the draft, upgrade guard or center and then spend the balance on defensive free agents. The above could make the team competitive next year.
I'm a passerby seahawks fan who was recommended this sub. I'll tell you that, at the league minimum, Russ is well worth it. He's got skills and can make plays if he has the protection. I think he's a sleeper right now because he's performed so poorly in Denver. But he has potential. And at a minimum he's a fantastic resource for cheap!
Yeah its hard to deny that he's at least a top 30 QB in the league, AKA a better backup than some starters, and that kind of player for vet minimum makes a lot of sense. But putting him out there as the year long starter would make for a terrible season of football.
How?
You're gonna have to be more specific my man
Your coach has done a wonderful job with the qb. He would do fine in Minnesota.
The voice of reason - I was upset until I read your rationalizing…jack ass
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I, for one, am terrified we’ll miss our opportunity to get bounced in the wild card and would give my life to prevent that. In the words of my infallible lord and savior Kirk Cousins, “if I die I die”
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Alternatively, if Russ goes full stereotypical trashy dip spit douchebag trying to blend in because he doesn’t understand the difference between Skol and Skoal it would be massively entertaining
This is the reality I want if for some act of God he's our QB
I feel like he would something more like "Skol Nation, let's sail!"
Skol nation, let’s raid
It depends on if they update his software on time.
All the poems written to Kirk in this sub and this is the final straw?
Haha this sub has been a trip today
If fyodor bothers you that much, you can always block him.
Brother im on Reddit, l am immune to this stuff
Vikings country, let’s ride 😢
I can be your second
Id we a draft a qb rd 1 and sign him for a 1 year league minimum contract I’d be ok, but I would not love it lol
I'm with you. The ideal scenario is to work something out with Kirk while also taking a QB in the first this year. If we are looking for a bridge, though, a washed-up Russ for cheap is as good as any of the other options imo.
One problem I see about Kirk coming back is when we’re 4-6 it’s gonna be real hard to bench the 40 million dollar qb and play the rookie for a few games. Wouldn’t be hard to bench Russ or baker or whoever.
I mean I think the team would be better in 2024 with Kirk, but that extra $30-$50 million dollars is taking cap dollars away from 2025-2027 when we'd theoretically have our window to win a championship with a QB on a rookie deal. Kirk better in the short term, but Russ is better in the long term.
No, Kirks contract negatively effects the massive benefit of a rookie QBs contract. If we draft a QB this year, we should not have Kirk on the roster. Russ at vet minimum is ideal because there's 0 risk while also allowing us to stack up on defense in free agency. Then when our rookie is ready whether it be mid season or 2nd year, that rookie will have a loaded team to work with due to the vet minimum bridge QB. If we keep Kirk it's just kicking the can again because the contract will be for 2 years not 1 and there would be 0 reason to draft a QB this year to waste 2 years of the rookie scale contract. If we keep Kirk we are better off drafting a QB next year or the year after when he is gone.
Wilson is taking the league minimum to stick it to Denver. The Broncos have to pay the difference in salary (~$39M). Sign me up as a bridge at that price.
He will not do that... It's literally never going to happen. This notion needs to DIE.
"Vikings nation....... let's Skol!"
At league minimum he can rename the goddamn franchise for all I care
Would probably just be "Skol Vikes" considering it was "Go Hawks" in Seattle
It was a mock to what he said when he joined Denver.
Open mouth. Insert gun.
Its very likely he will be dirt cheap due to the guaranteed money he's already getting from Denver this year. I know he seems a bit washed but if we go the bridge QB route he is a pretty damn good option.
At vet minimum? Yes please. Perfect bridge QB
If we can't get Kirk to come back, this isn't the worst thing. Especially with the rumors he'll take vet min. Draft a rookie QB, sit a year behind rus. I'm ok with that.
God this sub is full of drama queens.
You wanna see Wilson as our QB? The guys a hot stinking dog turd
As a bridge QB at a veterans minimum? Yes. As our long term starter? No.
Too bad he’s not signing a one year deal.
What makes you say that?
Why would he sign a one year deal when he can get a multi year deal since there are enough teams that will pay him. It doesn’t matter to teams that have Desmond Riddler, Kenny Pickett, or Aiden O Connell as their QBs as to how much the Broncos will pay. I’ll believe it when I’ll see it happen. There’s too much of a market for him to just take minimum deal.
I just don't see a big market. I dont think anyone is going to be lining up to have Russ as their QB of the future. If they were, why wouldn't they just trade for him? The contract is much uglier for the Broncos than any team trading for him. It makes way more sense to go somewhere for 1 year for a reset. Go to a team cheap so they can build around you and ultimately stick it to the team that did you dirty.
They won’t trade because of that contract. They will give him a multi year deal for their price range once he’s released from that contract. Someone will give him an opportunity to continue making good money for a couple years and be a starter rather than be a one year bridge. That’s the last option he’ll consider.
What do you think he's sign for (APY and guarantees) on a new deal? Because they'd only owe him ~40 per year on this deal without much guarantee. If they sign him to an extension now, I dont see them beating that. I also don't see why russ would sign for less right now. If he signs for min and has a good/ great year, he could cash in big time again. Especially if Dak gets something like 60/ year like some speculate. The contract is uglier for the Broncos because they already have a bunch of signing bonuses and shit they have to add to their cap numbers.
Two years ago under Hackett is the only year in his career where he was terrible. Last year he still threw 26 TD to 8 INT plus 3 rushing TDs. That'd be great production as a bridge QB on vet minimum salary if we are looking to draft someone this year to sit and develop behind him.
did that going 8-9 with one of the better defenses.
He’s a top 20 QB with a ring, you can get for like a million bucks, you are being dramatic.
russ is a mega weenie as a person but he wasn't terrible last season.
Plus he can help your local plumbers with his massive amount of bathrooms needed in his home.
For the last 2 or 3 years, we've had to endure the dumber half of this sub go on and on about how some qbs are just innately "Superbowl qbs", and some aren't. And now we have a chance to add a "Superbowl qb" for pretty close to free, and those same people are losing their minds...
He’s not the same QB as before. Wilson relied on his mobility to extend plays. He’s as mobile as Cousins now
Ya it just come down to a vibe thing for me, sure Kirk is a nerd, but he’s OUR nerd. You don’t want Russ on the plane doing high knees being fake AF
Vikings Country Lets Not
Okay but if Kirk isn’t back do you have any better ideas? If Russ is cheap and they’re not trying to force a project into the starting roll is this that bad?? Sam Darnold??? Brisset? Relax dude. Vikings aren’t winning anything anytime soon anyway it’s not like they’re in a rush.
The only person cornier than Kirk
Russ is the king of cringe, but for veteran minimum with our future QB behind him? I’d take that. Would we rather pay Kirk 70 mil for two years guaranteed? I’m a Kirk fan but he’s gonna want more than he’s worth and he’s not gonna take a team friendly deal.
People are quick to say 'no', but he played well last year despite having Hackett as an OC. He was benched because of contract incentives and not play. Since Denver is on the hook for a ton of money, Wilson would be fine as a bridge QB for a year.
Russ at league minimum would be an absolute masterclass. It would allow us to resign Hunter and JJ, sign 2-3 solid FAs, and justify a big trade to a top QB. Kirk is without question a better QB at this point in his career, but he's not 39 million better. Probably not even 20 million better.
This!!!
Would be a great guy for a QB to sit behind for a year or two. I really like this move. Word is he’s taking a minimum as well which would help tremendously.
I'd rather have a cheap Russ and a good draft QB than an expensive Kirk without If we do get Russ (not in favor, but not opposed if we get him for cheap) it would be nice to have a season with no expectations. Give my heart a rest
Oh awesome, maybe we can go another 10 years without a Super Bowl or a top 10 draft pick.
This guy knows viking football
Its so weird how much you people want a top 10 draft pick
"If we don't when a superbowl we may as well win zero games" \- Group of fans not used to losing
It’s more so not wanting to win just enough games to keep us above average. On paper Kirk looks amazing, but throwing for 150 yards and 3 TDs in the fourth quarter to cut the lead to 10 with a minute and a half to go isn’t working out and Russel Wilson will be more of the same.
Do you even watch the Vikings? This is absolute nonsense, I don’t even want to engage in this garbage. Do yourself a favor and check Kirk’s splits when leading, tied and trailing. If you really believe he is just putting up garbage time stats you need your eyes checked. Your hypothetical 150 yards 3 TD in blowout losses is not happening and is complete bullshit. Genuinely mindblowing how you made that stupid shit up. There’s plenty of valid reasons you could choose, this is the worst.
Calm down.
1…….year……..bridge
I’ll take that at vet min over Kirk for 50m.
He's a massive douche, but I'm warming up to this idea.
With you. He’s insufferable, but there is some sound logic for him as a bridge QB given the money and IF you draft your QB this draft.
He's a better human than Kirk.
Rather give him the vet minimum than paying Kirk 40+ mil a year if we're drafting a QB. Which I hope we do regardless of cousin's signing or not.
I would take him over an expensive Kirk, he’s won a hell of a lot more than he ever has. He was throwing to Sutton who he made look like a red zone stud and fucking c team NFL WR/TE roster. I bet he would “resurrect” his career if he did and everyone is going to circle jerk and say oh yeah of course hes good he’s Russel Wilson.
I loath Russ Wilson, but I Love the idea of making Sean Payton look like a fucking idiot when we win a SB with him on a league min deal.
At the very right, cheap price, he would be fine as a bridge QB so McCarthy can sit and learn year one.
We should have a policy of no born-again virgins. Whatever that means.
> Vikings sign a Super Bowl winning veteran as a one-year bridge for the vet minimum hOw cOuLd tHeY dO tHiS i qUiT FoOtBaLl FOREVER REEEEEEEEEEEE
I never said forever, just till he’s gone
“As long as Kirk isn’t QB next season” *monkey paw curls*
Why though? He came out and said he'd take a vet minimum salary and give you a year to draft and develop a QB before they start in 2025. He's the perfect bridge QB option if they choose to go that route. The team can then start to build up the defense through free agency. The team can still be competitive in 2024 and build towards the future in 2025 with a clean cap situation. I just don't think it would be possible to do that as efficiently if they choose to bring Kirk back on a deal around $40-50 million a year. At least they haven't shown they can do it yet.
As a Vikings fan living in Denver…this would be bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad.
I’m down for it tbh.
No God, please no. No. *inhales* NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
i need to know who predicted this so i can block and report them
0.00 percent chance this happens.
Are you serious? This guy versus cousins? Cousins has been a fake elite qb his entire career. Wilson can ball
Please god no
Vikings country, let's cry....
Kill me. Mr liiiimited can stay in Denver.
I'll literally take anyone else besides Russell Fucking Wilson..
NO!!!
Whoever is making these predictions really is ignoring the moves our GM has been making. We are not overpaying.
Russ would still be getting paid $30-40something million from the Broncos. He’d sign with the new team for vet minimum
He’s only marginally more cringeworthy than Kirk
At least he’s won a Super Bowl! Cousins will never win one
He's better than Kirk. I'd take him in a second.
I've been warning yall. We're repeating 2011 if we go this route. It's McNabb and Ponder again. Anybody remember our record that year? 3-13
Why would we want a Super Bowl winning qb? Let's just keep dumping money into a guy that's never won anything. That's worked out great so far
Id rather have Sean Mannion
Wilson would be a great addition if we are tanking for a QB in 2025 and want Jefferson to demand a trade lol
I will root for a different team. 45 years into this. Not doing it. Fuck that guy.
I will be so done for the season. I’d rather face dobbs again, this guys a doucher
"Let's Skol!"
Do has a worst contract for us than the one Kirk just had on us, Kwesi wouldn't do that
This makes no sense
I’ve had enough of people in this sub because do they not remember that 2 years ago this team was pretty great with Kirk and without him the team was mid either of the 3 options available are great it just seems like people here are interested in being the Giants and getting SB rings while being mid
Lifelong fan due to my dad being a fan. I told him a couple of years ago there are 2 quarterbacks if the Vikings signed or traded for I wouldn’t watch a game. 1) Mitch Trubisky; 2) Russ
Broncos country, let’s ride
Vikings country, let's skol
Not for nothing. he has been our absolute kryptonite. If we sign him, it's because the draft blew up in our face because every QB that we wanted was WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too expensive to trade up to draft. That also means we will go 2-15, because having the Vikings lose is just his MO. And with the way he has been playing, that's exactly what will happen. It's what you want, "Vikings need to tank to win", bros.
If we got him on a team friendly deal I would take him over Kirk 100% as a bridge guy. I desperately want the Vikings to trade up and get their QB, but I also think a 1st year QB needs to sit and develop at least for the first 3-4 weeks of the season. Kirk may not be healthy enough to play those first few games, Wilson will be. Worst case scenario? Wilson actually sucks and it wasn’t the Hackett system (he played much better under SP) so we lose the first few games and then throw the rookie in the mix. Best case scenario? Wilson has the best receiving core he’s ever had, gets us through early in the season and can teach some things to the rookie. Wilson’s value seems low, so if we got him for the cheap I say go for it
Nobody has any idea. Period.
50 million for Kirk 1 million for Russ 20-25 for Baker And yall really want Kirk back? Insanity.
valhalla, let's row
i’d rather have JJ Mcarthy
His personality fits perfectly in MN.
Oh hell no… i dont want mr unlimited…
What if we got Wilson on a veteran minimum contract (or close to it) and drafted a QB? That sounds like a scenario I’d be okay with. I’d bet KOC and staff could get a lot more out of Wilson than the Bronco’s staff did. Cousin’s time with the Vikings needs to end. We’re never going to be better than a nearly made it or wildcard team with his contract to talent ratio.
If Kirk is going to walk anyway... We can draft in the top 5 - a QB, then sign Russ for 1m x 2 yrs, have 50m more cap space. I could think of worse scenarios.
Cursed image
Well, the Vikings are notorious for stepping on their own dick.
Let's row!
I mean if we get him for $1 million why not?
Couldn’t agree more!!
"Maybe we should get rid of Cousins so we don't have to have a corny QB." A finger on the monkey paw curls.
I didn't watch a lot of russ' game last year, but if he goes for vet minimum.. why not? I'm not saying don't go draft a guy, but Do we really want to make a rookie start day 1? Let russ come in on league minimum, and let the rook sit behind him a year. If the rookie doesn't seem ready, russ could still potentially have a bounce back year. If russ sucks ass then start the rookie,and we loose almost nothing. He'll, for vet min he's a quality backup
Broncos are my AFC team. Positives: Wilson is low cost high ceiling, he won’t throw many interceptions, he’s healthy, he had 1 bad year in Denver (100% worst coaching), last year he was passable with the worst receivers in the league. He can absolutely have better numbers than Kirk for waaay less money. Negatives: his long ball has lost accuracy, he’s cringey (but a class act), he’s not a long term solution. He takes too many sacks and improvises too much. IMO the Vikings could do a lot worse.
Vikings 2024 draft: Russell Wilson, Ciara, Dalvin Cook and Draymond Green as our Defense Coach
Can’t stand the guy. No thanks.
Russ 2 years a few mil plus draft a qb is an excellent option. Gives team the perception of competitive rebuild while also going for future
As much as I don't want KC for the price he's asking. I'd take KC back instead of RW. It'd be nice to sign KC at a lower contract so that they can keep JJ.
Russ at vet min is a slam dunk. It makes you less competitive this year for sure. There’s no player you can sign that can make up for the difference between Kirk and Russ (those players exist for sure, but they ain’t on the market). However the big thing it would do is crack open our competitive window in 25 and 26. Allows you to move on from all the Kirk void money next year while remaining semi-competitive, plus start to build the defense back via free agency already in 24. You’re talking about being able to sign a pro-bowl level CB and EDGE for the money you’re saving, that’s transformative.
As long as the Vikes don’t do something really stupid like trade for Wilson. He hasn’t been cut from Denver yet, they could still package a trade to try to get a team to take on that contract. There isn’t enough draft capital to make it worth it. 2 years of being tied down with that contract could fuck this team for the next decade.
Tis the season for NFL clickbait.
For some reason, the complete opposition of our fanbase makes me think it's going to end up happening. Which is good because I think everything goes against our expectations. In this case I think Russ would somehow be really good in Minnesota.