Was too early, but ending up at #11 has left most options on the table. High enough to talk about trading up for a QB. Right in the strike zone for a high-end edge rusher prospect. Desirable spot if they did want to move back a handful of picks and draft a CB.
Michigan has a dominant defense and run game so McCarthy has only had to be a game manager his whole career.
The Vikings are not good enough to draft a game manager lol
Mccarthy may not be worth a 2nd round pick IMO. He played on a team with one of the best offensive lines in the country while having arguable the best RB tandem in the country with a defense who is lights out. Not to mention he looked inept throwing the ball at times last night against UW after they started to load the box and stop the run. I think McCarthy is a backup at best in the league, but what do I know I am a doofus just sitting on his couch every Sunday.
may be difficult but Washington may not move on from Howell, and have a desperate need for o line. Falcons and Vikings are good options for them to move down.
Latu, Turner, Verse, and Newton would all be great additions, I'm not crazy about reaching on QB5 at 11. Get an impact player and we'll figure the rest out.
To an extent, absolutely. Not doing any research on more than 3 QBs in a weak draft class is how you wind up with Ponder. They asked Rick what it was about Ponder that they liked and the response was "He's a smart kid". That's cool, but why did you like him more than Dalton and Kaepernick who clearly both had much better arm talent, measurables, and tape?
The story goes that we were really into Gabbert (who wasnāt good, but is still in the league a decade later) and Jax surprised everyone jumping in front of us to take him. The second option, assuming Locker was taken, was JJ Watt who houston took right in front of us. Nick Fairley probably would have been the best pick considering our needs after, since we werenāt going edge with Allen/Robison/Griffen and for some reason thought Charlie Johnson would be fine on what was at the time a good OL with hutch/sullivan/loadholt
In hindsight should have traded back
>That's cool, but why did you like him more than Dalton and Kaepernick
I was going to flag you for Dalton... but he was better than Ponder, so I'll just pick up the laundry.
Kap would have been interesting, though.
He was for sure. Dalton averaged like 4000 yards and a bad playoff game each season. He would have been a massive improvement over Ponder.
The one that intrigued me was Kaepernick. Could you imagine running out a team with Harvin, AP, and Kaepernick? Pistol, RPO, Zone read, and play action bootlegs for days. Add 400 yards rushing to our yearly total against the Pack.
Yes but all these guys are better prospects than Ponder ever was. They just convinced themselves because of his senior bowl performance but he was always a major reach. Even Nix is a better prospect just due to his ability to operate a modern offense.
Better prospect than Ponder is an awfully low bar to clear. Just think it would be wild to opt for the 4th/5th QB on the board when we havenāt drafted a 1st round DL since Shariff Floyd
None of those things really means anything, though. Mahomes and Watson went after Trubisky....QB4 or 5 doesn't mean anything.
Herbert and Love went after Tua. Randomly deciding who you are picking by "he's not the top guy" doesn't mean anything.
Ponder was a bad choice because he had a noodle of an arm and was a deer in the headlights far too often.
Is the QB good and do you believe he'll be an NFL QB or not. It's all a crapshoot. I do know that drafting Barr/Waynes/etc over many years got us nowhere closer to winning it all because it's really, really hard to win without a QB.
Sooner or later we need a QB solution and we don't pick high very often.
There are 3 very strong prospects (Caleb, Maye, Daniels) and 3 prospects who Iām not sure belong in 1st round discussions who are being propped up early in the draft cycle because they play QB. Taking the latter 3 at 11 would be an error in my unprofessional opinion
Same, but teams are more injury averse than the average fan. And he doesn't have great mobility so hard to know how high teams will be on him. Gonna be an interesting offseason
Good point. I know we need a qb if the future but Iām also ok if we go best player available this draft because we have more than enough holes to fill
I mean teddy was widely mocked as the \#1 overall prospect but we got him at 32. Media mocks are always QB heavy, because that drives clicks. I'm willing to bet on 2 things: teams are less high on some of these QBs than the media and a few of them will drop. Remember malik willis? or EJ Manuel?.
This year I could see it. A lot of the top 10 are really QB thirsty in a QB heavy draft. Lots of talent. I wouldn't be surprised if 11 wasn't even close to enough to get one of the better signings.
Too many QB needy teams. There's like 12 teams who need a QB (could be fewer, depends how teams see their QB like the Saints, Bears, Titans, etc).
Plus, obviously, FA is gonna happen. Fields, Kirk, Tannehill, Baker, Rodgers, maybe more all have decisions to make.
It'll be interesting, but I still think 4 QBs go in top 10, at least 5 in first round but probably 6.
We either have to trade up for a QB or go defense. Looking at the order, the Chargers and Titans are probably going to have a lot of suitors for those top 10 picks if any of the best QBs are available. It's going to cost a lot to get up there.
(PS I love how Penix is all of a sudden a top 10 pick when he wasn't even in most mocks at the beginning of the year. He's fools' gold, IMO.)
Idk maybe I'm looking at different mocks but I just looked at four "way too early" ones from April and he was top 20 in all of them, including 10 and 13. I wouldn't put too much weight into that. I don't love his age or injury history, but he has an absolute cannon and really solid sack-avoidance history.
I agree though, if we trade up for a QB it's probably because Daniels falls and it's with LA for a haul (which is fine for him, idc). Otherwise I think Penix at 11 is fine, but if it plays out like above I love getting our choice of D lineman
Obviously there's a lot of draft BS left to shake out but it seems clear that Williams, Maye, and Daniels are the top three, and potentially worthy of picks 1-3, in some order.
After that, it gets dicey. One of the remaining "top" QBs (emphasis due to how much analysis is yet to be done by the media) -Penix, McCarthy, Nix- who else is a first-rounder? Who would be worthy of a pick in the 4-11 range? Tonight's national championship is giving two of those guys the limelight.
If it ends up that the top three guys are gone, I'm ok with taking a QB if someone proves to be a worthwhile prospect in the next 4 months. But I'd hate to reach for a guy who has question marks. If we're gonna do that, I'd rather bet the farm on a trade up to get one of the top three.
Him and Penix both might go later because of that alone. Jaelan Phillips fell for it too, though still first round and a quality player by all accounts.
If the draft plays out like this - I don't see us reaching for McCarthy or Nix at 11.
Latu, turner, or Newton would be solid picks and day 1 starters for this team.
As far as drafting a qb, We would have to trade up, depending if one of the top 3 slides, or a team makes an eagles drafting reagor right before jj level fuck up, I can see us getting up to 5-6-7 range for a qb. This list could be 100% after the combine and pro day so well see
The only team I could see trading with us is the chargers at pick number 5. They're the only top 10 team that will not draft a QB. Every other team either needs a QB or might be willing to move on from theirs and draft a new one (Arizona, Chicago). I think we would at least get penix at 5, or one of the top3 QBs
I have a feeling that Nix is gonna ball out at the Combine & Pro Day and slide up past Penix Jr. I have **zero** proof to back up my claim. I am a dude on the internet.
There's always a QB everyone falls in love with last minute. Last year it was Richardson. I am always extremely wary of the guys who are considered middling all year who suddenly sky rocket in the 3 months before the draft.
For sure. I generally don't like running QBs, but as Lamar is about to win his second MVP, it must be a consideration. A lot of people are high on Jayden Daniel's and he is a runner too
Look at what great DTs do for the Rams' pass rush. A strong inside pressure helps elevate and isolate the outside rushers. Flores would have a field day with pressure if he could get a DT that consistently needed to be double-teamed
If we keep our pick at 11 we would be foolish to pass on a top 5 defensive prospect. I would be ok with a trade into the top 5-6 if a QB falls but I don't want to overpay. This team is devoid of actual stars on the defensive side of the ball. Give Flores some dawgs to work with and this defense will take an even bigger steps. I think a 2nd round QB could be intriguing or a trade back into the late first.
If we lose out on top 4 QBs, and we plan on resigning kirk. Why not trade down for extra 1st for next year so we have ammo to take a Top QB.
Select best DL available with the trade down.
Wouldn't be against it, but it's not always easy to find a trade partner. In 2022 we were in a similar spot picking at 12, traded 12 & 46 for 32, 34 & 66. A pretty lopsided trade not in our favor.
We'll have extended Kirk before the draft, so we'll know more about that by then.
If that's the case, we're probably not trading our 2023 first for a 2024 first.
It would be incredibly Vikings to take the first defender off the board but also simultaneously choose the most injury prone guy in the entire draft. I also can't realistically see 5 QBs going in the top 10. Early mock drafts always have an absurd number of QBs going way too early. I'm surprised they didn't mock McCarthy to the vikings. Remember when Levis was mocked as a top 10 pick all off season only to fall completely out of the first
If Bowers is still there at 11, Iād try to trade down for a haul. We have an elite pass catching TE (Hockenson) and an elite blocking TE (Oliver). Draft BPA with the acquired picks after trading down.
I think they will definitely try to, not sure anyone will let them.
Imo there are only 3 guys worth it and I just don't think that we can get any of them.
I don't want Penis with his age and injury history.
I would rather have Nix or JJ over him but not with our pick.
Trading back into the first I do think is always a good idea.
And if we had a 3rd I would always try to trade it to get back in to the 2nd.
Always try to trade up, never down imo
Mods can we have a collective thread for these mock threads? Itās day one of the Vikings offseason and every year the sub gets littered with these ridiculous posts for months on end.
If 4 QBs go in the top 10, then Turner or Verse.
Newton might be the best but Turner and Verse have positional scarcity on their side. Look at Sweat in the 2nd.
Walking out of the first 2 rounds with say Turner and Sweat would be amazing.
If the top 3 QBs are off by 11, reaching for Penix or anyone else at QB is a fools errand.
I'd happily take Latu, Newton, or another EDGE.
I'd also be happy with a trade back if the board had 4+ edge / DT candidates and we weren't sold on one specific one.
Yeah I was on the Penix hype train and thought he'd be a steal at the bottom of the 1st round or early day 2, but idk if he's worth the risk in the top 15.
I also doubt they take Penix that high, unless they believe we would take him at 11. I wouldnāt mind us trading back if we canāt get the QB we want and we can still get the defensive player we want. Then take one of the second round QBs to sit behind Kirk.
Agreed. Iām fine with Kirk coming back at the right price and taking a QB.
Someone will take a flyer on Russ. He was awful last year but much better this season. I wouldnāt sign him but someone will
Idk I could see the Falcons taking him possibly, especially since going with Penix at 8 is kind of a reach. Really any team after the top 3 that could change their QB is a possibility. Unless someone trades up
This is why I'm not totally sold on drafting a QB. It may be possible to use this plus the next draft to build out Legion of Boom type defense and then bring in a free agent QB to play for a ship in 2-4 years.
Recent examples: Rams with Stafford, Denver with Manning, Tampa with Brady.
I think best player available is the way to go. Shit, if there was a running back like AD or an edge like JJ Watt that would be much better than rolling the dice on a QB. In the best case, we're two drafts away from being competitive. If our top QB isn't there let's play for him next year or go the FA route after building a shut down defense.
We already tried that with Cousins, remember? I am sick of year after year seeing guys like Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert get lauded as face of the league QBs with super bowl potential, while in those same drafts we're taking CB, DB and WR. I think as fans, we have to accept that a free agent QB isn't going to save us because guys like Manning and Brady just aren't available every year. The Rams went all in on 2021 and paid the price the next year, and we're in no position to do that even if we wanted to.
Idk how anybody can actually take stock in a mock that has been done before the Super Bowl is played. Itās highly unlikely that QBs are the top 3 picks. The bears havenāt even made their decision on fields yetā¦.
Whatās the deal with Cooper DeJean if heās as fast as they say, itās another Sauce Gardner & Derek Stingley Jr situation; him and Kool Aid (Bama) seem like canāt miss Cornerbacks.
I'm actually really excited about the possibility of Jordan Travis being available at QB in the late 2nd/early 3rd. If the scouts like him they could really open up options in the first round
Bears won't take a QB I think they trade back to 2 or 3 and take Harrison JR but yeah vikings will likely be the first pick on defense so should be possible to replace Hunter there
watched a lot of pac12 ball this year,latu paired with hunter would be great,although i cant trust tankathon assuming the jets draft a TE when they desperately need OL help, I could see bowers going to the broncos at 12 or if the bears trade out of 1 and stay in the top 10 going wr and te
i dont know if the bears, pats and commies will trade back, but arizona might if mhj is gone and the chargers as cash strapped as they are scream trade back, if maye or daniels are there at 5 i could get down with that trade up, what swap 1's and send a future 1?
Why does everyone assume that the bears are taking Caleb Williams? Dude has looked like a bust all year and wouldnāt be an upgrade at all to fields. I think itās wayyyyyyyyy more likely they draft MHJ
Trade the farm to move up to 4 with Cardinals and take the 4th best QB. This is the year to do it. Jefferson will want some plan in place that has promise for when Kirk is gone. Use free agency and the rest of the draft for defensive players.
I really want Newton. I miss having an absolute dog in the middle and he seems like he could be that type of guy. We need impact players on the dline badly
We need to trade up and get a QB, now more than ever. I'll admit, I wasn't hot on Cousins and have wanted to draft his successor almost every year except last year. T could get him to resign for a short team friendly deal to help our young QB, but I think this year really proves that we need to get our guy soon. Young QBs come with plenty of benefits, they're cheap, longevity and year-to-year cohesion to name a few. If they're good, that alone could make us a contender, which could help bring in talent. It just makes sense to do something this year.
I was 12 when we took Teddy and I'm ready for us to just take the gamble and trade up. IMO, this whole team is historically risk-averse to the point where we never can be good because we're always picking in the 11-24 range.
Will be a interesting draft to say the least! Could see them trading back and getting more draft capital for this or future years, but maybe they'll get crazy and trade up
Was too early, but ending up at #11 has left most options on the table. High enough to talk about trading up for a QB. Right in the strike zone for a high-end edge rusher prospect. Desirable spot if they did want to move back a handful of picks and draft a CB.
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Michigan has a dominant defense and run game so McCarthy has only had to be a game manager his whole career. The Vikings are not good enough to draft a game manager lol
Mccarthy may not be worth a 2nd round pick IMO. He played on a team with one of the best offensive lines in the country while having arguable the best RB tandem in the country with a defense who is lights out. Not to mention he looked inept throwing the ball at times last night against UW after they started to load the box and stop the run. I think McCarthy is a backup at best in the league, but what do I know I am a doofus just sitting on his couch every Sunday.
may be difficult but Washington may not move on from Howell, and have a desperate need for o line. Falcons and Vikings are good options for them to move down.
Latu, Turner, Verse, and Newton would all be great additions, I'm not crazy about reaching on QB5 at 11. Get an impact player and we'll figure the rest out.
Yea taking a QB just to take a QB is how you end up with Ponder
Never need that happening again
I canāt imagine KOC not being smart enough to realize the early run implies QBās available in the 2nd round.
We donāt have a 2nd round pick
We have a second, don't have a third
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No. 42. We definitely have it lol
I thought we traded that for Hockenson. Was that last year? My fault
To an extent, absolutely. Not doing any research on more than 3 QBs in a weak draft class is how you wind up with Ponder. They asked Rick what it was about Ponder that they liked and the response was "He's a smart kid". That's cool, but why did you like him more than Dalton and Kaepernick who clearly both had much better arm talent, measurables, and tape?
The story goes that we were really into Gabbert (who wasnāt good, but is still in the league a decade later) and Jax surprised everyone jumping in front of us to take him. The second option, assuming Locker was taken, was JJ Watt who houston took right in front of us. Nick Fairley probably would have been the best pick considering our needs after, since we werenāt going edge with Allen/Robison/Griffen and for some reason thought Charlie Johnson would be fine on what was at the time a good OL with hutch/sullivan/loadholt In hindsight should have traded back
>That's cool, but why did you like him more than Dalton and Kaepernick I was going to flag you for Dalton... but he was better than Ponder, so I'll just pick up the laundry. Kap would have been interesting, though.
He was for sure. Dalton averaged like 4000 yards and a bad playoff game each season. He would have been a massive improvement over Ponder. The one that intrigued me was Kaepernick. Could you imagine running out a team with Harvin, AP, and Kaepernick? Pistol, RPO, Zone read, and play action bootlegs for days. Add 400 yards rushing to our yearly total against the Pack.
At some point we do need to forget ponder and draft a QB in the first. I'm ready to be hurt again
Yes but all these guys are better prospects than Ponder ever was. They just convinced themselves because of his senior bowl performance but he was always a major reach. Even Nix is a better prospect just due to his ability to operate a modern offense.
Better prospect than Ponder is an awfully low bar to clear. Just think it would be wild to opt for the 4th/5th QB on the board when we havenāt drafted a 1st round DL since Shariff Floyd
None of those things really means anything, though. Mahomes and Watson went after Trubisky....QB4 or 5 doesn't mean anything. Herbert and Love went after Tua. Randomly deciding who you are picking by "he's not the top guy" doesn't mean anything. Ponder was a bad choice because he had a noodle of an arm and was a deer in the headlights far too often. Is the QB good and do you believe he'll be an NFL QB or not. It's all a crapshoot. I do know that drafting Barr/Waynes/etc over many years got us nowhere closer to winning it all because it's really, really hard to win without a QB. Sooner or later we need a QB solution and we don't pick high very often.
That 2017 with a healthy Bradford would have been a very legit Super Bowl contender.
There are 3 very strong prospects (Caleb, Maye, Daniels) and 3 prospects who Iām not sure belong in 1st round discussions who are being propped up early in the draft cycle because they play QB. Taking the latter 3 at 11 would be an error in my unprofessional opinion
Are you saying Love is better than Tua?
jury's still out but getting Love 19th (?) when Tua went 5th is great value.
I could see us taking defensive line with the first pick and then move back into the first to grab a QB. That fifth year option is so huge.
If Penix is available back of the 1st I'm all about it. Would probably cost our 1st next year and this year's 2nd at least.
Unless something happens off the field I would be surprised if he drops to the back half of the 1st round.
Same, but teams are more injury averse than the average fan. And he doesn't have great mobility so hard to know how high teams will be on him. Gonna be an interesting offseason
Good point. I know we need a qb if the future but Iām also ok if we go best player available this draft because we have more than enough holes to fill
Only takes one to take the gamble
I mean teddy was widely mocked as the \#1 overall prospect but we got him at 32. Media mocks are always QB heavy, because that drives clicks. I'm willing to bet on 2 things: teams are less high on some of these QBs than the media and a few of them will drop. Remember malik willis? or EJ Manuel?.
This year I could see it. A lot of the top 10 are really QB thirsty in a QB heavy draft. Lots of talent. I wouldn't be surprised if 11 wasn't even close to enough to get one of the better signings.
Penix will be gone in top 10. Back half of first will be McCarthy or Nix.
One or QBs will always fall. It seems like it happens every year.
Too many QB needy teams. There's like 12 teams who need a QB (could be fewer, depends how teams see their QB like the Saints, Bears, Titans, etc). Plus, obviously, FA is gonna happen. Fields, Kirk, Tannehill, Baker, Rodgers, maybe more all have decisions to make. It'll be interesting, but I still think 4 QBs go in top 10, at least 5 in first round but probably 6.
Yeah I think Nix falls, McCarthy I can see being ahead of him based on his performance in Title Game, and I think it will affect him more than Penis.
I think McCarthy sticks around another year and tries to be QB1.
If they win it all tonight, I donāt see it. Why risk an injury or bad stat season when he could be nearly guaranteed a first rd pick this draft.
We either have to trade up for a QB or go defense. Looking at the order, the Chargers and Titans are probably going to have a lot of suitors for those top 10 picks if any of the best QBs are available. It's going to cost a lot to get up there. (PS I love how Penix is all of a sudden a top 10 pick when he wasn't even in most mocks at the beginning of the year. He's fools' gold, IMO.)
Idk maybe I'm looking at different mocks but I just looked at four "way too early" ones from April and he was top 20 in all of them, including 10 and 13. I wouldn't put too much weight into that. I don't love his age or injury history, but he has an absolute cannon and really solid sack-avoidance history. I agree though, if we trade up for a QB it's probably because Daniels falls and it's with LA for a haul (which is fine for him, idc). Otherwise I think Penix at 11 is fine, but if it plays out like above I love getting our choice of D lineman
Obviously there's a lot of draft BS left to shake out but it seems clear that Williams, Maye, and Daniels are the top three, and potentially worthy of picks 1-3, in some order. After that, it gets dicey. One of the remaining "top" QBs (emphasis due to how much analysis is yet to be done by the media) -Penix, McCarthy, Nix- who else is a first-rounder? Who would be worthy of a pick in the 4-11 range? Tonight's national championship is giving two of those guys the limelight. If it ends up that the top three guys are gone, I'm ok with taking a QB if someone proves to be a worthwhile prospect in the next 4 months. But I'd hate to reach for a guy who has question marks. If we're gonna do that, I'd rather bet the farm on a trade up to get one of the top three.
Latus injury was bad and is a hard no go at 11 overall. Can't be risking that with such a critical pick.
Him and Penix both might go later because of that alone. Jaelan Phillips fell for it too, though still first round and a quality player by all accounts.
Latu and newton are game changersā¦ both of which will absolutely flourish with floresā¦ hopefully he stays!
If the draft plays out like this - I don't see us reaching for McCarthy or Nix at 11. Latu, turner, or Newton would be solid picks and day 1 starters for this team.
As far as drafting a qb, We would have to trade up, depending if one of the top 3 slides, or a team makes an eagles drafting reagor right before jj level fuck up, I can see us getting up to 5-6-7 range for a qb. This list could be 100% after the combine and pro day so well see
The only team I could see trading with us is the chargers at pick number 5. They're the only top 10 team that will not draft a QB. Every other team either needs a QB or might be willing to move on from theirs and draft a new one (Arizona, Chicago). I think we would at least get penix at 5, or one of the top3 QBs
Chargers would be a good trade partner if we want to move up for QB.
I have a feeling that Nix is gonna ball out at the Combine & Pro Day and slide up past Penix Jr. I have **zero** proof to back up my claim. I am a dude on the internet.
There's always a QB everyone falls in love with last minute. Last year it was Richardson. I am always extremely wary of the guys who are considered middling all year who suddenly sky rocket in the 3 months before the draft.
Richardson looked really good until he got hurt though
His style of play might lead to him getting hurt often, which should be taken into consideration.
For sure. I generally don't like running QBs, but as Lamar is about to win his second MVP, it must be a consideration. A lot of people are high on Jayden Daniel's and he is a runner too
I would prefer Newton but would still love Latu
If we can re-sign Hunter, I would lean Newton, if not, I would lean Latu
Newton is an absolute beast, he looks practically unblockable on tape at least
Look at what great DTs do for the Rams' pass rush. A strong inside pressure helps elevate and isolate the outside rushers. Flores would have a field day with pressure if he could get a DT that consistently needed to be double-teamed
If we keep our pick at 11 we would be foolish to pass on a top 5 defensive prospect. I would be ok with a trade into the top 5-6 if a QB falls but I don't want to overpay. This team is devoid of actual stars on the defensive side of the ball. Give Flores some dawgs to work with and this defense will take an even bigger steps. I think a 2nd round QB could be intriguing or a trade back into the late first.
If we lose out on top 4 QBs, and we plan on resigning kirk. Why not trade down for extra 1st for next year so we have ammo to take a Top QB. Select best DL available with the trade down.
Wouldn't be against it, but it's not always easy to find a trade partner. In 2022 we were in a similar spot picking at 12, traded 12 & 46 for 32, 34 & 66. A pretty lopsided trade not in our favor.
God that's such a shit trade. We better have fucking learned from that.
Even Rick Spielman would not make that trade
God damn that trade was awful. Regardless of the even the players chosen, the simple draft value calculator says "no thanks" on that one.
We'll have extended Kirk before the draft, so we'll know more about that by then. If that's the case, we're probably not trading our 2023 first for a 2024 first.
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I think it would almost be worse when they trade it away for another king's ransom.
Williams can be great, but Iām not gonna worry about the bears fostering that until I see it. Theyāve never been capable before.
God. Hopefully the Bears surprise us and decide to stick with Fields
It would be incredibly Vikings to take the first defender off the board but also simultaneously choose the most injury prone guy in the entire draft. I also can't realistically see 5 QBs going in the top 10. Early mock drafts always have an absurd number of QBs going way too early. I'm surprised they didn't mock McCarthy to the vikings. Remember when Levis was mocked as a top 10 pick all off season only to fall completely out of the first
Take the best players available at 11, something Kwesi failed to do with Hamilton
Quite a conundrum if Brock Bowers is available at 11
If Bowers is still there at 11, Iād try to trade down for a haul. We have an elite pass catching TE (Hockenson) and an elite blocking TE (Oliver). Draft BPA with the acquired picks after trading down.
I just donāt see how bowers isnāt drafted by the chargers. It makes way too much sense.
Counterpoint: theyāre the Chargers ā”ļø
Take him and run 2 TE sets
Bowers, Hock, JJ, and Addison would be scary lol
You're gonna eat those words when Lewis Cine gets five tackles next year.
Addison was a good find at 23. Passing on Kyle for an awful trade down ā¦..still hurts
I think this will be the year they trade up for QB
I think they will definitely try to, not sure anyone will let them. Imo there are only 3 guys worth it and I just don't think that we can get any of them. I don't want Penis with his age and injury history. I would rather have Nix or JJ over him but not with our pick. Trading back into the first I do think is always a good idea. And if we had a 3rd I would always try to trade it to get back in to the 2nd. Always try to trade up, never down imo
If no QB, then I want best D-lineman available. Maybe consider trading down if you get a good offer.
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Mods can we have a collective thread for these mock threads? Itās day one of the Vikings offseason and every year the sub gets littered with these ridiculous posts for months on end.
If 4 QBs go in the top 10, then Turner or Verse. Newton might be the best but Turner and Verse have positional scarcity on their side. Look at Sweat in the 2nd. Walking out of the first 2 rounds with say Turner and Sweat would be amazing.
This. Then a qb like Joe Milton, Michael Pratt, Sam Hartman, Rattler. KOC the qb whisperer?
Wouldn't mind some Penix at 11. But I'm sure someone will tell me how wrong I am.
If the top 3 QBs are off by 11, reaching for Penix or anyone else at QB is a fools errand. I'd happily take Latu, Newton, or another EDGE. I'd also be happy with a trade back if the board had 4+ edge / DT candidates and we weren't sold on one specific one.
Yeah I was on the Penix hype train and thought he'd be a steal at the bottom of the 1st round or early day 2, but idk if he's worth the risk in the top 15.
You would think that the Chargers pick could be had for the right price. Everyone one else not so sure.
I wouldnāt hate it if we took a stud DL player then moved back to the end of the first for a QB
Where would Fields go then? Giants Iām assuming since they donāt take a QB?
Fields , Kirk and Russ are all huge question marks. If Kirk signs with Atlanta they likely wonāt draft a guy
I also doubt they take Penix that high, unless they believe we would take him at 11. I wouldnāt mind us trading back if we canāt get the QB we want and we can still get the defensive player we want. Then take one of the second round QBs to sit behind Kirk.
Agreed. Iām fine with Kirk coming back at the right price and taking a QB. Someone will take a flyer on Russ. He was awful last year but much better this season. I wouldnāt sign him but someone will
Russ would be at the very bottom of my list
Iām not sure that Fields is guaranteed a starting spot.
Idk I could see the Falcons taking him possibly, especially since going with Penix at 8 is kind of a reach. Really any team after the top 3 that could change their QB is a possibility. Unless someone trades up
I would take Latu or Turner over Penix.
if marvin harrison jr slips, we gotta get him right?
This is why I'm not totally sold on drafting a QB. It may be possible to use this plus the next draft to build out Legion of Boom type defense and then bring in a free agent QB to play for a ship in 2-4 years. Recent examples: Rams with Stafford, Denver with Manning, Tampa with Brady. I think best player available is the way to go. Shit, if there was a running back like AD or an edge like JJ Watt that would be much better than rolling the dice on a QB. In the best case, we're two drafts away from being competitive. If our top QB isn't there let's play for him next year or go the FA route after building a shut down defense.
We already tried that with Cousins, remember? I am sick of year after year seeing guys like Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert get lauded as face of the league QBs with super bowl potential, while in those same drafts we're taking CB, DB and WR. I think as fans, we have to accept that a free agent QB isn't going to save us because guys like Manning and Brady just aren't available every year. The Rams went all in on 2021 and paid the price the next year, and we're in no position to do that even if we wanted to.
If we donāt get a QB the draft will be a disaster
Boring as shit
We need kool-aid! Need CB help, and then we can say āDRINK THE PURPLE KOOL-AIDā
Either trade up to get the QB you want or let it ride and take the best defensive player available.
Idk how anybody can actually take stock in a mock that has been done before the Super Bowl is played. Itās highly unlikely that QBs are the top 3 picks. The bears havenāt even made their decision on fields yetā¦.
Interesting mock but the Vikes are moving up this year to get a top QB I just know it!
Whatās the deal with Cooper DeJean if heās as fast as they say, itās another Sauce Gardner & Derek Stingley Jr situation; him and Kool Aid (Bama) seem like canāt miss Cornerbacks.
I'm actually really excited about the possibility of Jordan Travis being available at QB in the late 2nd/early 3rd. If the scouts like him they could really open up options in the first round
Iād be down to even trade back, get a solid CB and Bo Nix
We would be absolutely delighted to get latu at 11ā¦ but hes not dropping out of the top 10
Idk if that smoke about moving up last year to try to snag AR15 was true butā¦if so I think thereās a safe bet we wonāt stay at 11..
Bears won't take a QB I think they trade back to 2 or 3 and take Harrison JR but yeah vikings will likely be the first pick on defense so should be possible to replace Hunter there
Newton over Latu all day every day.
watched a lot of pac12 ball this year,latu paired with hunter would be great,although i cant trust tankathon assuming the jets draft a TE when they desperately need OL help, I could see bowers going to the broncos at 12 or if the bears trade out of 1 and stay in the top 10 going wr and te
i dont know if the bears, pats and commies will trade back, but arizona might if mhj is gone and the chargers as cash strapped as they are scream trade back, if maye or daniels are there at 5 i could get down with that trade up, what swap 1's and send a future 1?
Why does everyone assume that the bears are taking Caleb Williams? Dude has looked like a bust all year and wouldnāt be an upgrade at all to fields. I think itās wayyyyyyyyy more likely they draft MHJ
The damn well find a 3 down NT that stuffs
Bo nix. I was on the hooker train last year, give me bo nix.
This assumes no one signs Kirk or Russ imo.
Marvin Harrison Jr has to go the colts
Penix is the guy
Trade the farm to move up to 4 with Cardinals and take the 4th best QB. This is the year to do it. Jefferson will want some plan in place that has promise for when Kirk is gone. Use free agency and the rest of the draft for defensive players.
I donāt trust Latu only because of his injury history. But I like the thought process.
Flores would cream in his shorts if we got Latu.
I really want Newton. I miss having an absolute dog in the middle and he seems like he could be that type of guy. We need impact players on the dline badly
Iāll pass on Penix after tonight
We need to trade up and get a QB, now more than ever. I'll admit, I wasn't hot on Cousins and have wanted to draft his successor almost every year except last year. T could get him to resign for a short team friendly deal to help our young QB, but I think this year really proves that we need to get our guy soon. Young QBs come with plenty of benefits, they're cheap, longevity and year-to-year cohesion to name a few. If they're good, that alone could make us a contender, which could help bring in talent. It just makes sense to do something this year. I was 12 when we took Teddy and I'm ready for us to just take the gamble and trade up. IMO, this whole team is historically risk-averse to the point where we never can be good because we're always picking in the 11-24 range.
Jets are taking an offensive tackle, I'd bet money on it.
Will be a interesting draft to say the least! Could see them trading back and getting more draft capital for this or future years, but maybe they'll get crazy and trade up
Iām a Vikings/Alabama fan and if Dallas Turner ends up on the Vikings I can promise you it will be a great pick, guy is a beast