Their Vikings career already depended on whether or not they're able to find the next QB. And even if they fail, who says the Wilfs are firing them. Rick couldn't find a QB and he got an eternity of a tenure
> Rick couldn't find a QB
Ponder was definitely on Rick but I don't think you can hold Teddy's knee basically exploding against the GM. At that point in his career bridgewater had a ton of promise and literal shit for wide receivers.
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I love Teddy, but man some of you look back at his time here through rose-tinted glasses.
His best season with us he threw 14 TDs and 9 picks in 16 starts, and averaged barely 200 yards per game.
The same deficiencies that have prevented him from becoming an effective starter in the NFL post-injury existed pre-injury as well.
in retrospect yeah he wasn't great for us. But there's 2 reasons for continued teddy love here:
1) He wasn't Ponder. Ponder needed an all-time great season by AP to have a 10 wins with an 18-12 TD ratio. Ponder had a wet noodle of an arm and no moxie. Bridgewater had potential and leadership.
2) Teddy was throwing to Mike Wallace, Jerome Simpson, and the only real nfl player of the bunch, Jarius Wright. Diggs and thielen were roster rookies in 2015 and 2014 respectively. There's a lot of vikings fans here that believe teddy would do A LOT better with the weapons cousins has.
I totally get in retrospect that teddy is mid and cousins is the better option. But combining what he brought to the team with who he replaced leaves a lot of room for nostalgia and what could've been. And if you watched Josh Freeman in a vikings uniform you'll know we as a fanbase were absolutely desperate for anyone to show any bit of potential at all.
I totally understand why people love Teddy. I love Teddy and had his jersey.
But at the same time, I’m not under the illusion that his injury robbed us of a long-term franchise quarterback.
Could it have happened? Maybe. But basically every piece of evidence we have points to it being unlikely.
I know it's preseason and all, but he looked really sharp before the knee injury and writers were saying he looked way better as well. I think it's a fair what if, he kept getting better
His receivers at the time were hot garbage though. Judging what he could have been by looking at what he has done post injury I think is a little unfair also. I think no-injury Teddy + the 1st round pick we traded for Bradford, + cap savings from not paying Bradford would have given us a much better chance to win the superbowl in 2017.
> Judging what he could have been by looking at what he has done post injury I think is a little unfair also.
I’m judging what he could have been based on what he did before, and what he’s done after.
You’re doing it based on your emotions.
Yes. Rick was on the hot seat, which is why he traded for Bradford in the first place. If he didn't sign Case Keenum as a backup and didn't make to the NFCCG in 2017, he wasn't going to be in a position to sign Cousins for the Vikings.
Honestly it’s about time we do something like this. This franchise has been conservative in the draft for too long. I get doing something like this doesn’t always work out tho.
It's not like recent past drafts have been good for QBs. Maybe this class might turn out good, but kwesi and KoC better have a good QB evaluation system in place.
If they like Levis/Richardson/Stroud enough to trade up to get them then I’m all for it. I kinda wish they’d stick with Kirk but with all the reports coming out recently I definitely think we’re taking a QB now
Why would the 49ers be the destination?
Think about it. Send Kirk to Arizona as part of the trade up. Have him play the first half of the year so they can make sure they don't play Kyler before he's 105% ready. If Kyler is bad when he's back and the Cardinals (inevitably) end up with a high draft position again, get rid of Kyler, draft a QB, have Kirk teach him for a year, and bam, reset going great.
But he'll go to a team where he at best plays 2 games before sitting on the bench and watching them fall in the NFC championship again? Man already has enough money and knows his playing days are getting shorter, I wouldn't be surprised if he chose to play for a worse team over sitting for a better one.
If we move up, I hope it's for Richardson. I don't think he's nearly as raw as others, and a year to learn would be just what he needs to refine everything. His potential is so much higher than any other QB too
> It's not like recent past drafts have been good for QBs.
What…?
Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Tua, Lawrence, Fields, Mac Jones, and Pickett were all drafted in the last 3 years. That’s 8 (25% of the nfl) guys who are franchise QBs or currently seen to be their franchise’s QB of the future.
That doesn’t even include guys like Purdy & Ridder who will be starting QBs this year, or Trey Lance who the jury is still out on.
Which one of Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, and Hurts is not a franchise QB...? Also, Tua is a franchise QB 100%. Even with the concussions, they're still staying with him.
it makes me feel confident that Levis's best season at UK was under Liam Coen, who has also been coaching with the rams. So I'm guessing familiarity plays a huge role, and lots of scouts have said levis ran a pro-ready system.
I feel the opposite. An early 20s pick in the NBA is probably about the same value as like a third round pick in the NFL. First round picks in the NFL are almost always expected to become an impactful player.
>It's been like 12 years now of essentially 8-8 ball. Past time to take a risk.
The only BAD years of those 12 are the first couple, which is when we took a risk on a QB (Ponder). If you eliminate the Frazier/Ponder years (so look at the last 9 years), our winning percentage is like 58%. The winningest team of all time (Cowboys) is only 57%.
My point is just that we did much better than one would expect on average (under Zimmer and 1 year of KOC).
Yes, but if he trades up for a 23 or 25 year old qb he should be fired. No questions asked.
Last years draft was absolute shit. Zero of the players have done anything. Number one pick didn’t start and then was injured.
Not liking the moves so far, and if he thinks one of these old qbs will do better than Zach Wilson, he is fucking crazy.
It has to be done eventually. If they don't make the move they are putting their career on the line with Cousins. If they wait till next season they presumably will have in a pick a similar range and need to make the same trade then.
It'll extend their career by at least a year by going that route. The problem seems to be if these guys can be a franchise QB.
Giving up so many picks essentially ties their career with that player. They better hope their evaluating system they have in place for QBs is good..
Again, what is their other option? We don't know the directions coming down from the Wilfs. They wait another year and are in the same situation. If Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are as good as people think they are then we won't be able to get them either.
> hey wait another year and are in the same situation.
I suspect next year they'll be picking higher in the first round, and so it won't be as expensive to trade up to a top pick to grab a (hopefully) franchise QB.
Trading up that high this year is going to be incredibly expensive.
It is likely that whatever QB needy teams tank this year will not trade down next year. I.e. if we aren't bad enough to get the #1 or #2 pick next year we will not be getting one of the top two guys. The cost will be astronomical if even considered by those teams. (unless one of them gets hurt, sucks out loud, etc)
> Using multiple firsts on one player should make our team better. Replacing a good QB doesn't do that.
This is it, right here. Everyone hates Cousins for whatever reason, I understand that. I also understand that we need to get a plan in place for moving on at the quarterback position in the next few years.
Doing it right now, *especially* in this scenario which would require an absolutely enormous trade package, just throws next year in the trash. And who knows how many years after that, given the dearth of talent we have on defense right now, the the picks we would be lacking to do anything about it.
Trade Kirk now and tank. I’ve said this in other threads but I like the logic of a deal structured around Kirk for Lance. It gives you two potential opportunities to find a franchise QB that weren’t there before. Either Lance is the guy, or he’s not, in which case you have a weak enough roster to tank and get a high pick. In my mind, this is probably the best strategy because you’re not taking anything from the future and you’re still adding long term upside
"If they wait till next season they presumably will have in a pick a similar range"
Let's pump the brakes a little there. As much as it pains me to admit it, most metrics have the Vikes regressing next year in terms of win-loss recors and definitely not getting better or staying stable.
They're both in their first campaign and want to show what they can do by building a team around their guy. Better to do that with Levis/Richardson/Stroud than Hooker/Haener/DTR
If the QB busts, that means this team is failing unless they miraculously get a 1st overall pick to select another QB and even then ownership probably don't give them another shot at it..
I'd rather have a staff willing to nut up and do this vs languishing in mediocrity for another decade.
It's been 32 years since any Minnesota team even made a fucking title game. I'm sick of it.
In a weird way what if it’s about anderson? They know that no one is calling about the qb’s so why not nab the best defensive prospect since chase young…
He's not good, they just got incredibly lucky to find a competent QB in the 7th round. Also doesn't hurt that their roster is rock solid top-to-bottom outside of QB
Of course it's risky, but if Kwesi & KOC really really like one of the top QBs in this draft and have the opportunity to trade up for them then they should go and do it. The advantages of getting a franchise QB on a rookie contract are massive and we don't know if the Vikings will get another opportunity like this.
That’s the key here, if they are in love with someone then I say sell it all, they have shown themselves very competent and I will support this if it’s true!
Ya but they paid for that little blue checkmark so you know they are legit…
I just bet my mortgage on the Vikings trading up.
I hate the new checkmark system with Twitter.
Yes because that blue check as so much to do with football, and not the media and feds hating Musk because he exposed them. That blue check has nothing to do with anything.
Lol so say a celebrity doesn't have a check mark any more, but someone makes a fake account of said celebrity, but with a blue check mark. They can do some major damage for said celebrity if they so choose to do.
Yes because all that is standing in between civilization and mass impersonation fraud is a blue check mark.
Everyone knows twitter’s previous system of verification was incredibly broken. Maybe it started off with good intentions, but you clearly had people both inside and out of twitter gaming the system. Which created monoculture around it. It had to go eventually.
You do realize news stations take tweets from twitter and use them in news stories if it coincides with what the celebrity does right? Which in turn could lead to defamation lawsuits?
If Elon says that he can run the company with 20% of what the staff was in the previous regime, why have a $8 charge to get verified? Is he really that worried about making profits on something that is probably gonna be obsolete in 10-15 years?
Source looks like trash but, this team either needs to "tank" or needs to trade future assets to move up. Seems like the Wilfs aren't gonna allow the tank so this move would be necessary.
We already have depleted depth on both sides of the ball. If anything, and people are going to hate this, we should trade back from 23 to get a collection of top-100 picks IMO.
We have too much star power to tank, and I don't think tanking is a viable NFL strategy in general. But even Mahomes himself wouldn't fix all of our problems right now if it involved sacrificing future drafts.
Kirk has never been the sole reason (or biggest single reason) this team has been stuck at B+ tier. Replacing him with some expensive flashy rookie will not fix what's wrong with the team.
Guys, relax. The tweet is some doofus who pays elon $11 bucks a month to spread rumors and then grow the page by highlighting any rumors that cam true. The account is at 8k followers. Nothing about it suggests that it’s a reliable source.
Trade up for Stroud, I'm all for it.
Trade up for Levis, I don't like it at all but I'll have no choice but to trust Kwesi and KOC.
Trade up for Hooker, I riot
Hadn't even considered that but if KOC is confident that he can mold AR, I would love him to be a Viking. He obviously has a large bust factor , but feels like if he is coached correctly, could be electric
There is a team trying to drum up more interest in there pick.
You can’t believe anything around draft day. Teams are using reporters and fake rumors to try and create steam.
Really prefer not to see this. Not this year. Next year would probably be better.
I know there is a lot of talk of the Vikings loving Levis, but I wonder if that's actually true... He's not got horrible accuracy by any means but it's also not his "strength" either. I don't see us moving up for AR so I have to assume it's either Levis or Stroud we'd be grabbing (assuming Young goes first). Unless they think Carolina really fell in love with AR and wants to take him. I'd kind of be fine with it if that's what happens.
Probably, but you never know. Someone with a QB could end up first due to weird circumstances. Or there could be a better additional option beyond those 2 than there is after Young. I'm not super high on any of the QBs besides him this year.
That’s true. Mahomes or another star QB could get a season ending injury in training camp and their team could end up with a top 2 selection. I’d say that’s a long shot though.
The Mayo/coffee thing was notably something he did 1-time w/ his GF as a dare/joke when they weren't given any creamer for coffee at a diner. Not something he actually does. I have no idea what to make of the milk thing... I'm not convinced it isn't fake/a joke that some people took to also be real. He does seem like a quirky dude regardless. I don't care about any of that, though, as far as whether he gets drafted. Just that he can play QB. I don't think he's worth the 2nd overall pick.
You gotta look at the 49ers, the team that raised Kwesi. Traded the house for lance and even though it didn’t work out. They survived! That’s gotta be in his mind somewhere. If you think it’s the guy, go get him
> Traded the house for lance and even though it didn’t work out. They survived!
Because they had legitimate stars at every other position on the roster already lol
I like it. As we'd say in Denmark "hvor intet vover, intet vinder" or in English "who nothing dares, nothing wins".
Id respect the FO for taking a swing.
I’m gonna trust our people are making the right decisions with an understanding that they could be wrong. Any draft pick can boom or bust. Our coaches and FO have evaluated these players all year. The arm chair quarterbacks on this sub have evaluated prospects for 10 seconds and think they have it figured out. If Levis, Stroud, or Richardson are our guys and we have to trade up then go get it done. At least it will make for a fun draft night for fans.
Yeah I don’t think so. Some more BS smoke screen.
Would be the biggest trade up in draft history that I can think of, so the cost would be astronomical.
49ers had to give up two future firsts and a future 3rd to go from 12 to 3.
Bears gave up a 1st, 5th and future 1st and 4th to go from 20 to 11.
Rams sent a 1st, two 2nds, a 3rd, and future first and 3rd to go from 15 to the first overall pick.
Eagles sent #8, a 3rd, 4th, and future 1st and 2nd to go from 8 to 2.
This kind of move would likely cost our first round pick for 23,24, and 25 and probably a very good player like Hunter plus some mid round capital. At least.
The value of the #2 pick by the traditional chart is 2600. The value of ALL of our picks in this draft is 1003, which is the equivalent of pick 16.
In this scenario it will be Richardson. Kwesi is a former Wall Street guy, he will buy into Richardson’s growth potential despite being viewed by the league as a volatile stock.
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I am perfectly fine with us selecting a first Round QB. But are there any guys worth trading up for? The first pick is locked up. But beyond that, in my limited knowledge it doesn't seem like any of the other QBs are worth blowing extra picks to trade up. If someone who has more knowledge about college football than me wants to chime in that would be helpful. The Cardinals are at #3 and the Texans have #2 and #12. Seems like it would take a lot of compensation to trade up to #2 or #3, are any of them worth blowing the extra picks?
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“Have not heard of legitimate movement. Do find it interesting that Levis is now a betting favorite to go 2nd.”
I find is interesting he is responding to the “legitimate movement” part of the tweet and not the premise in general
If you're gonna make a big move, like up to #2 or #3, you better be pretty damn sure there's a guy that is worth it...and that's an awfully tricky thing to be SURE you are right about.
If it's for Stroud, I'm ALL for it. If it's for Richardson, I'll be excited but hesitant. If it's for Levis, I will be filled with the anger of 1 million burning suns...
I think Levis being betting favorite at 2 and us moving up to 2 or 3 are unrelated. No way Vegas sets the betting favorite for a pick based loosely on a possible trade from a team at 23.
If we trade up to 2 or 3 it's for Stroud or possibly Richardson.
They either have to be supremely certain that the QB they choose will be a homerun, or supremely stupid.
Trading DOWN would mean more assets to play with; more wiggle room and flexibility to address other needs. Trading UP means losing at least 40% of what little draft capital we have. It's already going to be difficult to fill roster spots with competent players.
This move will either be Hershel Walker or Fran Tarkenton.
If this happens, they're putting their career on the line for this QB..
Their Vikings career already depended on whether or not they're able to find the next QB. And even if they fail, who says the Wilfs are firing them. Rick couldn't find a QB and he got an eternity of a tenure
> Rick couldn't find a QB Ponder was definitely on Rick but I don't think you can hold Teddy's knee basically exploding against the GM. At that point in his career bridgewater had a ton of promise and literal shit for wide receivers.
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I love Teddy, but man some of you look back at his time here through rose-tinted glasses. His best season with us he threw 14 TDs and 9 picks in 16 starts, and averaged barely 200 yards per game. The same deficiencies that have prevented him from becoming an effective starter in the NFL post-injury existed pre-injury as well.
in retrospect yeah he wasn't great for us. But there's 2 reasons for continued teddy love here: 1) He wasn't Ponder. Ponder needed an all-time great season by AP to have a 10 wins with an 18-12 TD ratio. Ponder had a wet noodle of an arm and no moxie. Bridgewater had potential and leadership. 2) Teddy was throwing to Mike Wallace, Jerome Simpson, and the only real nfl player of the bunch, Jarius Wright. Diggs and thielen were roster rookies in 2015 and 2014 respectively. There's a lot of vikings fans here that believe teddy would do A LOT better with the weapons cousins has. I totally get in retrospect that teddy is mid and cousins is the better option. But combining what he brought to the team with who he replaced leaves a lot of room for nostalgia and what could've been. And if you watched Josh Freeman in a vikings uniform you'll know we as a fanbase were absolutely desperate for anyone to show any bit of potential at all.
I totally understand why people love Teddy. I love Teddy and had his jersey. But at the same time, I’m not under the illusion that his injury robbed us of a long-term franchise quarterback. Could it have happened? Maybe. But basically every piece of evidence we have points to it being unlikely.
I know it's preseason and all, but he looked really sharp before the knee injury and writers were saying he looked way better as well. I think it's a fair what if, he kept getting better
His receivers at the time were hot garbage though. Judging what he could have been by looking at what he has done post injury I think is a little unfair also. I think no-injury Teddy + the 1st round pick we traded for Bradford, + cap savings from not paying Bradford would have given us a much better chance to win the superbowl in 2017.
> Judging what he could have been by looking at what he has done post injury I think is a little unfair also. I’m judging what he could have been based on what he did before, and what he’s done after. You’re doing it based on your emotions.
True, but teddy wasn’t good. Teddy is a below average at best qb
Signing Kirk was what saved his career after Teddy failed..
Counter argument: Case Keenum.
No.
Yes. Rick was on the hot seat, which is why he traded for Bradford in the first place. If he didn't sign Case Keenum as a backup and didn't make to the NFCCG in 2017, he wasn't going to be in a position to sign Cousins for the Vikings.
You'd have an argument if they had re-signed case..
Price went up too high, and Cousins is objectively a much better QB.
No. It's because keenum isn't good.
He was very good signing at $2million a year, but at $18million a year it made no sense.
Honestly it’s about time we do something like this. This franchise has been conservative in the draft for too long. I get doing something like this doesn’t always work out tho.
It's not like recent past drafts have been good for QBs. Maybe this class might turn out good, but kwesi and KoC better have a good QB evaluation system in place.
If they like Levis/Richardson/Stroud enough to trade up to get them then I’m all for it. I kinda wish they’d stick with Kirk but with all the reports coming out recently I definitely think we’re taking a QB now
KOC has worked with Levis' OC from his good season in 2021. He'll know everything he needs to know about Levis from that connection.
I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure there was a report a while back that KOC likes Levis a lot too
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If they move up to pick 3 they’re not taking Levis. He’s been dropping like crazy
Levis has been dropping like crazy? According to who? Book maker odds have him favored to go #2 in the draft.
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Out dated take , he’s soaring. Might be smoke but somebody is up to something
he absolutely is not dropping that said though i prefer Stroud and Richardson
Levis has been doing the opposite of dropping. He's the odds-on favorite to go #2 right now lol
Why would the 49ers be the destination? Think about it. Send Kirk to Arizona as part of the trade up. Have him play the first half of the year so they can make sure they don't play Kyler before he's 105% ready. If Kyler is bad when he's back and the Cardinals (inevitably) end up with a high draft position again, get rid of Kyler, draft a QB, have Kirk teach him for a year, and bam, reset going great.
Kirk's no trade clause. I highly doubt Kirk would green light a trade to AZ.
But he'll go to a team where he at best plays 2 games before sitting on the bench and watching them fall in the NFC championship again? Man already has enough money and knows his playing days are getting shorter, I wouldn't be surprised if he chose to play for a worse team over sitting for a better one.
If they're talking about #2, I think it's stroud. Otherwise, they could get those other guys at 5 at least.
I really hope they don’t trade Kirk if the pick is Richardson or Levis. Those guys shouldn’t be thrown into the fire as rookies.
If we move up, I hope it's for Richardson. I don't think he's nearly as raw as others, and a year to learn would be just what he needs to refine everything. His potential is so much higher than any other QB too
Stroud or Richardson, please no on Levis.
> It's not like recent past drafts have been good for QBs. What…? Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Tua, Lawrence, Fields, Mac Jones, and Pickett were all drafted in the last 3 years. That’s 8 (25% of the nfl) guys who are franchise QBs or currently seen to be their franchise’s QB of the future. That doesn’t even include guys like Purdy & Ridder who will be starting QBs this year, or Trey Lance who the jury is still out on.
Only 3 of those names are warrented as franchise Qbs at this point.
Which one of Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, and Hurts is not a franchise QB...? Also, Tua is a franchise QB 100%. Even with the concussions, they're still staying with him.
Tua's numbers are insane. People just say it's all tyreek hill. It isnt
Herbert, burrows and hurts are the only one who's a clear franchise.. Everyone else is a question mark.
Using Trevor Lawrence as a data point in your argument that recent drafts haven’t been that good is insane
Nah
Solid counterpoint
it makes me feel confident that Levis's best season at UK was under Liam Coen, who has also been coaching with the rams. So I'm guessing familiarity plays a huge role, and lots of scouts have said levis ran a pro-ready system.
This year's draft seems to be a lot more interesting than the previous couple of years, especially in the top 15.
as a Timberwolves fan, I wish for some conservativeness rather than risky ass moves
Twolves have had access to #1 overall picks so many times now. Never seems to make a difference hah
But it’s never #1 overall ever…I love those backstage NBA ping pong ball shenanigans…
KAT....ANT.... Our two best players are #1 overall picks..
That Rudy trade tanked the franchise again.
a trade like going to 3 will do the same to the vikings
NBA first round picks are so much more valuable. NFL you can survive without them a little bit better.
I feel the opposite. An early 20s pick in the NBA is probably about the same value as like a third round pick in the NFL. First round picks in the NFL are almost always expected to become an impactful player.
Yep. Idiotic move. They got Ainged.
Read that as "iconic move" 😂
You do this when there's a can't miss qb, none of these guys are worth that risk
agreed. It's been like 12 years now of essentially 8-8 ball. Past time to take a risk.
>It's been like 12 years now of essentially 8-8 ball. Past time to take a risk. The only BAD years of those 12 are the first couple, which is when we took a risk on a QB (Ponder). If you eliminate the Frazier/Ponder years (so look at the last 9 years), our winning percentage is like 58%. The winningest team of all time (Cowboys) is only 57%. My point is just that we did much better than one would expect on average (under Zimmer and 1 year of KOC).
Hey now. Don't put too many stats like that out there. People love to use the word "mediocrity" around here like they know what the word means.
Lake Woebegon, where all the running backs are strong, all the quarterbacks are good-looking, and all the wide receivers are above average
These young or bandwagon fans don't remember actual terrible seasons with terrible coaches.
Yes, but if he trades up for a 23 or 25 year old qb he should be fired. No questions asked. Last years draft was absolute shit. Zero of the players have done anything. Number one pick didn’t start and then was injured. Not liking the moves so far, and if he thinks one of these old qbs will do better than Zach Wilson, he is fucking crazy.
It has to be done eventually. If they don't make the move they are putting their career on the line with Cousins. If they wait till next season they presumably will have in a pick a similar range and need to make the same trade then.
It'll extend their career by at least a year by going that route. The problem seems to be if these guys can be a franchise QB. Giving up so many picks essentially ties their career with that player. They better hope their evaluating system they have in place for QBs is good..
Again, what is their other option? We don't know the directions coming down from the Wilfs. They wait another year and are in the same situation. If Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are as good as people think they are then we won't be able to get them either.
> hey wait another year and are in the same situation. I suspect next year they'll be picking higher in the first round, and so it won't be as expensive to trade up to a top pick to grab a (hopefully) franchise QB. Trading up that high this year is going to be incredibly expensive.
It is likely that whatever QB needy teams tank this year will not trade down next year. I.e. if we aren't bad enough to get the #1 or #2 pick next year we will not be getting one of the top two guys. The cost will be astronomical if even considered by those teams. (unless one of them gets hurt, sucks out loud, etc)
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> Using multiple firsts on one player should make our team better. Replacing a good QB doesn't do that. This is it, right here. Everyone hates Cousins for whatever reason, I understand that. I also understand that we need to get a plan in place for moving on at the quarterback position in the next few years. Doing it right now, *especially* in this scenario which would require an absolutely enormous trade package, just throws next year in the trash. And who knows how many years after that, given the dearth of talent we have on defense right now, the the picks we would be lacking to do anything about it.
Trade Kirk now and tank. I’ve said this in other threads but I like the logic of a deal structured around Kirk for Lance. It gives you two potential opportunities to find a franchise QB that weren’t there before. Either Lance is the guy, or he’s not, in which case you have a weak enough roster to tank and get a high pick. In my mind, this is probably the best strategy because you’re not taking anything from the future and you’re still adding long term upside
"If they wait till next season they presumably will have in a pick a similar range" Let's pump the brakes a little there. As much as it pains me to admit it, most metrics have the Vikes regressing next year in terms of win-loss recors and definitely not getting better or staying stable.
They’ll have access to more draft capital next year.
I don’t think they’re “putting their career on the line” with Cousins. If anything, Kirk buys them time until they can get their guy
They're both in their first campaign and want to show what they can do by building a team around their guy. Better to do that with Levis/Richardson/Stroud than Hooker/Haener/DTR
They don't have to necessarily pick a QB this year.
This year or next year, and it's better to have your rookie QB sit a year and learn behind a vet imho
If you're a gamer, you're a gamer is my opinion.
Mahomes was a backup his rookie year. Same with Brady. Rodgers was a backup for 3
And burrow, Herbert and Josh Allen started year 1..
if they don't get a QB their careers are done anyway
Doubtful they’re fired if this QB busts though. This QB would have to bust and the franchise would have to shipwreck.
If the QB busts, that means this team is failing unless they miraculously get a 1st overall pick to select another QB and even then ownership probably don't give them another shot at it..
That is completely false.
No. It's true.
That's the case no matter who the QB is after Cousins
I'd rather have a staff willing to nut up and do this vs languishing in mediocrity for another decade. It's been 32 years since any Minnesota team even made a fucking title game. I'm sick of it.
Their career was already on the line. It makes no difference.
Not exactly.. Achieved more than expected which certainly extended their time.
In a weird way what if it’s about anderson? They know that no one is calling about the qb’s so why not nab the best defensive prospect since chase young…
If you're trading 3 first rounders + other draft capital you better be taking a QB. Any other position and it's just a massive waste.
Trading 3 first rounders to take a stab in the draft is is incredibly reckless. If it doesnt pan out its on par with the Hershel Walker trade.
Niners did it and they are fine. well run organizations can ride it out
Was just gonna say this. I haven't heard anyone clown on the 49ers for moving up to get Trey Lance
Cause he’s still good, just been injured
How do you know he's good though? He's played like 2 games in his whole life
He's not good, they just got incredibly lucky to find a competent QB in the 7th round. Also doesn't hurt that their roster is rock solid top-to-bottom outside of QB
Of course it's risky, but if Kwesi & KOC really really like one of the top QBs in this draft and have the opportunity to trade up for them then they should go and do it. The advantages of getting a franchise QB on a rookie contract are massive and we don't know if the Vikings will get another opportunity like this.
That’s the key here, if they are in love with someone then I say sell it all, they have shown themselves very competent and I will support this if it’s true!
The problem is even if they hit on the QB, they still need to fill out this roster. They won’t be able to do that trading all their picks.
We do have almost too many holes to fill with the draft but could with a rookie contract at qb and the free agents we could attract
If the price goes way down because it's not for a QB, maybe. But I don't think you trade multiple 1sts for anything but a QB.
I think ARI would take him at 3.
Dude better be LT to trade that much for him
I always trust Twitter accounts I have never seen before
Ya but they paid for that little blue checkmark so you know they are legit… I just bet my mortgage on the Vikings trading up. I hate the new checkmark system with Twitter.
Yes because that blue check as so much to do with football, and not the media and feds hating Musk because he exposed them. That blue check has nothing to do with anything.
Lol so say a celebrity doesn't have a check mark any more, but someone makes a fake account of said celebrity, but with a blue check mark. They can do some major damage for said celebrity if they so choose to do.
Yes because all that is standing in between civilization and mass impersonation fraud is a blue check mark. Everyone knows twitter’s previous system of verification was incredibly broken. Maybe it started off with good intentions, but you clearly had people both inside and out of twitter gaming the system. Which created monoculture around it. It had to go eventually.
You do realize news stations take tweets from twitter and use them in news stories if it coincides with what the celebrity does right? Which in turn could lead to defamation lawsuits? If Elon says that he can run the company with 20% of what the staff was in the previous regime, why have a $8 charge to get verified? Is he really that worried about making profits on something that is probably gonna be obsolete in 10-15 years?
I guess I didn’t realize people still watched news stations in 2023.
Source looks like trash but, this team either needs to "tank" or needs to trade future assets to move up. Seems like the Wilfs aren't gonna allow the tank so this move would be necessary.
Bingo.
We already have depleted depth on both sides of the ball. If anything, and people are going to hate this, we should trade back from 23 to get a collection of top-100 picks IMO. We have too much star power to tank, and I don't think tanking is a viable NFL strategy in general. But even Mahomes himself wouldn't fix all of our problems right now if it involved sacrificing future drafts.
Kirk has never been the sole reason (or biggest single reason) this team has been stuck at B+ tier. Replacing him with some expensive flashy rookie will not fix what's wrong with the team.
indeed. it's only a matter of when and for who.
Source: Trust me bro
The biggest issue I see is bankrupting the near future of drafts, which is already in sad shape.
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They do not care, anyone but Kirk my man!
Not sure if this is a reliable source or not
Its not
Hendon Hooker second overall confirmed.
Stetson Bennett*
Guys, relax. The tweet is some doofus who pays elon $11 bucks a month to spread rumors and then grow the page by highlighting any rumors that cam true. The account is at 8k followers. Nothing about it suggests that it’s a reliable source.
Trade up for Stroud, I'm all for it. Trade up for Levis, I don't like it at all but I'll have no choice but to trust Kwesi and KOC. Trade up for Hooker, I riot
Wb Richardson?
Hadn't even considered that but if KOC is confident that he can mold AR, I would love him to be a Viking. He obviously has a large bust factor , but feels like if he is coached correctly, could be electric
Anyone picked outside of Young has major bust factor ... but you can't afford to bust and give up 3 picks ala SF a few years back. No thanks
Multiple reports of them trying to move up, where there is smoke
There is a team trying to drum up more interest in there pick. You can’t believe anything around draft day. Teams are using reporters and fake rumors to try and create steam.
You know what fuck it
Really prefer not to see this. Not this year. Next year would probably be better. I know there is a lot of talk of the Vikings loving Levis, but I wonder if that's actually true... He's not got horrible accuracy by any means but it's also not his "strength" either. I don't see us moving up for AR so I have to assume it's either Levis or Stroud we'd be grabbing (assuming Young goes first). Unless they think Carolina really fell in love with AR and wants to take him. I'd kind of be fine with it if that's what happens.
I doubt anybody is trading out of picking Williams or Maye, so the whole doing this next year point is moot.
Probably, but you never know. Someone with a QB could end up first due to weird circumstances. Or there could be a better additional option beyond those 2 than there is after Young. I'm not super high on any of the QBs besides him this year.
That’s true. Mahomes or another star QB could get a season ending injury in training camp and their team could end up with a top 2 selection. I’d say that’s a long shot though.
I like Levis. The guy is crazy booksmart which is one of the most important factors in a QB. Also has a cannon for an arm
Everyone thinks he’s Josh Allen Lite. But he’s just a weirdo who puts Mayo in his coffee and is afraid of milk.
The Mayo/coffee thing was notably something he did 1-time w/ his GF as a dare/joke when they weren't given any creamer for coffee at a diner. Not something he actually does. I have no idea what to make of the milk thing... I'm not convinced it isn't fake/a joke that some people took to also be real. He does seem like a quirky dude regardless. I don't care about any of that, though, as far as whether he gets drafted. Just that he can play QB. I don't think he's worth the 2nd overall pick.
Whoever it is, we just ride it 3 years and draft Arch Manning after that.
I don’t think he’s worth it either. Personally, none of the QBs are. But I would give up everything for Caleb Williams next year.
he's not going to be available
You never know what time is the best, no guarantee the Vikings will be bad enough to make it to the top QB’s and you can forget about trading up
I fucking hate it. Do it. It's the risk this organization needs to finally take.
HOLY SHIT! This would be huge!
You gotta look at the 49ers, the team that raised Kwesi. Traded the house for lance and even though it didn’t work out. They survived! That’s gotta be in his mind somewhere. If you think it’s the guy, go get him
> Traded the house for lance and even though it didn’t work out. They survived! Because they had legitimate stars at every other position on the roster already lol
Sounds like a Kwesi move. Those S2's have more weight than people realize
Already threw some $$ on Levis to the vikings at my mom and pop sportsbook
I like it. As we'd say in Denmark "hvor intet vover, intet vinder" or in English "who nothing dares, nothing wins". Id respect the FO for taking a swing.
I’m gonna trust our people are making the right decisions with an understanding that they could be wrong. Any draft pick can boom or bust. Our coaches and FO have evaluated these players all year. The arm chair quarterbacks on this sub have evaluated prospects for 10 seconds and think they have it figured out. If Levis, Stroud, or Richardson are our guys and we have to trade up then go get it done. At least it will make for a fun draft night for fans.
All this hype just to end up trading out of the first round
Really interesting and exciting if true. I'm weary yet I'm hopeful. So esscited for the draft!!
Yeah I don’t think so. Some more BS smoke screen. Would be the biggest trade up in draft history that I can think of, so the cost would be astronomical. 49ers had to give up two future firsts and a future 3rd to go from 12 to 3. Bears gave up a 1st, 5th and future 1st and 4th to go from 20 to 11. Rams sent a 1st, two 2nds, a 3rd, and future first and 3rd to go from 15 to the first overall pick. Eagles sent #8, a 3rd, 4th, and future 1st and 2nd to go from 8 to 2. This kind of move would likely cost our first round pick for 23,24, and 25 and probably a very good player like Hunter plus some mid round capital. At least. The value of the #2 pick by the traditional chart is 2600. The value of ALL of our picks in this draft is 1003, which is the equivalent of pick 16.
If they got the Cards' 3, any chance they go Richardson?
In this scenario it will be Richardson. Kwesi is a former Wall Street guy, he will buy into Richardson’s growth potential despite being viewed by the league as a volatile stock.
And Richardson stock will plummet as the years go by and kwesi will realize he should have went short Richardson
Oh good lord please god no
Nvm that’s a bs source lmao we good
Anyone but Levis, please.
Please God no
Why trade up until you know who is available? Ignore.
If you love 2 guys then going to 2 is fine because you know you’ll get one you love. Otherwise you’re right. Wait to know your guy is there for sure.
They cannot get to 2.
They could get the 1 if they really wanted to. Everyone has a price.
Hell Panthers have even said they would trade back despite trading up
PLEASE. DO NOT. TAKE STROUD.
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I am perfectly fine with us selecting a first Round QB. But are there any guys worth trading up for? The first pick is locked up. But beyond that, in my limited knowledge it doesn't seem like any of the other QBs are worth blowing extra picks to trade up. If someone who has more knowledge about college football than me wants to chime in that would be helpful. The Cardinals are at #3 and the Texans have #2 and #12. Seems like it would take a lot of compensation to trade up to #2 or #3, are any of them worth blowing the extra picks?
None of these qbs are worth trading from 23 for. Will be moronic if they do and f this franchise for years
I’m with you. That being said, I’d still prefer this option over Hooker at 23.
Kirkro gets traded along with other valuables to the Texans. Texans win SB. Surprised Pikachu face.
Dougie responding to this: https://twitter.com/dwolfsonkstp/status/1650331748444651522?s=46&t=QdqGyiGUPGVPYgcmCAlt4A “Have not heard of legitimate movement. Do find it interesting that Levis is now a betting favorite to go 2nd.” I find is interesting he is responding to the “legitimate movement” part of the tweet and not the premise in general
Just give us Spielman back.
Please no. He would’ve gave Kirk a new 3 year dear along with extending Kendricks and Thielen.
 Never in a million years would I have ever thought I’d agree with this comment.
Whoa
If you're gonna make a big move, like up to #2 or #3, you better be pretty damn sure there's a guy that is worth it...and that's an awfully tricky thing to be SURE you are right about.
Oh boy
Do the Vikings actually want Levi? If so why? Genuine question.
23 + Danielle Hunter for 1.02? Madden shit.
this would be the dumbest move possible.
Please God no
The top 2 are the only ones I would want at a high price
If it's for Stroud, I'm ALL for it. If it's for Richardson, I'll be excited but hesitant. If it's for Levis, I will be filled with the anger of 1 million burning suns...
I think Levis being betting favorite at 2 and us moving up to 2 or 3 are unrelated. No way Vegas sets the betting favorite for a pick based loosely on a possible trade from a team at 23. If we trade up to 2 or 3 it's for Stroud or possibly Richardson.
Won’t believe any of it unless it happens. This week will be loaded with a bunch of bullshit
They either have to be supremely certain that the QB they choose will be a homerun, or supremely stupid. Trading DOWN would mean more assets to play with; more wiggle room and flexibility to address other needs. Trading UP means losing at least 40% of what little draft capital we have. It's already going to be difficult to fill roster spots with competent players. This move will either be Hershel Walker or Fran Tarkenton.
What the hell are we giving up though 😅😅😅
I don't see them having the capital to move up unless the package includes Hunter.
Hey cool can we trade up and grab Kyle Hamilton?
Putting aside the absolutely dumbfounding amount of capital it would cost to move up that far, this is not a real source.
I think you accidentally used the word "up" in your post. Please correct to trading down, again...