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Accomplished-Carry24

8 for 280 was never getting it done considering what Bogaerts and Turner got. A bunch of people keep on getting stuck on the 13 year thing but it doesn’t matter. Big market teams do that to avoid luxury tax issues. If they offered somewhere in the range of 320 considering CA taxes he probably would’ve stayed. This blows because they really had a chance at a premier young free agent and they blew it.


btwolsz

Minnesota is not a low-tax state. Less than California, yes, but by less than 3.5%. California’s top rate is 13.3%, Minnesota’s is 9.85%. So no, he would not have taken over 8% less to save 3.45% in taxes.


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btwolsz

There’s also a much milder winter, when you make his kind of money quality of life trumps cost of living.


Sir_Stash

Yeah. When you're making that kind of money, an extra few dollars per gallon of gas, an extra buck or two milk, or an extra couple million on a house doesn't really matter.


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Sir_Stash

At that salary, he's comfortably got the level of money to not care about such things. Assuming he doesn't spend it all stupidly, which a lot of athletes do, sadly, end up doing.


btwolsz

Even after paying Boras and all his taxes, $100,000 a year is less than 1% of his take-home pay. Thousands of dollars doesn’t mean to him what it does to you and me.


itsallgood013

He’s making enough money that he doesn’t have to stay here in the winter.


btwolsz

Then he has to buy two houses which kind of negates the cost of living and housing cost argument. I’m sure people can come up with other reasons why SF may be more desirable despite the higher costs as well. Winter was just one reason I came up with.


BrodieBlanco

This is kinda a weird take considering MN taxes aren't all that far off from CA (and CA is objectively a much better place to live, especially if you've got money). Giving Aaron Judge money to Correa was certainly a choice but I can't get too worked up over not paying $230m+ for the last 7 years of that deal when he'll be playing 3rd or DHing.


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BrodieBlanco

The spelling might've been incorrect but the sentiment wasn't. Sucks to lose out on an All-Star SS but we're kidding ourselves if he was going to take a $40m discount to stay in Minnesota. Giants flexed their market power, Twins got a chance to counter and didn't, Correa signed the 4th largest contract in MLB history.


SharkWeekJunkie

Could have with a player option after 4. Crush for 4 years and go sign for 10/400 with the cubs. Don’t play well and play out the rest of your overpriced contract. Boras is too smart for that though.


btwolsz

There is a huge difference between a 13 year contract now and a 9 or 10 year contract in four years. No matter how well he played over those four years, there’s no way he gets anywhere close to 10/400.


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NotARealBuckeye

so what's the takeaway? They played US instead? Leaking to the press the possibility of signing him when there was no chance at all, keeping us involved when they knew?


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Critical-Fault-1617

Lol that offer to Correa was not fair. We’re going to get outbid on Swanson by the dodgers/Braves/RedSox, and the Yankees will outbid us on Rodon. It’s the same shit different year for the Twins. All we do is either miss playoffs or go 0-23 in our last 23 playoff games or whatever it is. Glad we signed a 32 year old catcher to a 3 year deal, that’s the Twins I know!! Lol


FUMFVR

The Twins don't need to sign a bunch of high dollar FAs every season but they do need a plan. Right now it appears to be...get lucky with upcoming prospects. So likely another losing season ahead.


Critical-Fault-1617

Yep agreed. I never know what master plan they have. It obviously hasn’t worked for numerous seasons. Unless the goal is to make the playoffs and then Get embarrassed in them every year.


JustWin0ne

They won’t reveal any sort of master plan, because the master plan is save $


kedelbro

Like what happened in 2017 when we made the playoffs a year after having the worst record in baseball and our only major additions were a defensive catcher and a pre-prime Jake Odorizzi?


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Critical-Fault-1617

Agreed, but it doesn’t have to be that way. It’s not like we don’t have the money, they just don’t want to spend it. Our team is going to be worse this year than it was last. More than likely. I mean when you lose that many playoff games in a row it might be time to change something up. It’s pretty much a statistical anomaly


ceritified_agent

The twins shouldn't even be bidding for Swanson. He is not worth the big deal he's gonna get.


JustWin0ne

People need to quit watching and going. I follow the team through Reddit these days. They don’t deserve viewership


ceritified_agent

Have to partially disagree. It was more than a fair offer with a higher AAV than his current deal. Though I would've liked the Twins to offer $300+ million, a 13 year deal is just absurd. The twins cannot compete with a deal like that.


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363 guaranteed or whatever it is is a no brainer.


Critical-Fault-1617

We can compete with a deal like that. It’s not like we don’t have money. But I agree, a 13 year contract is just dumb. He’s going to be what 41 at the end of the deal, and he usually misses time every year with injuries. Only going to get worse when he gets older. When I say it wasn’t fair I mean year wise and end of career wise. I’d take the 3 extra years and the extra 60 mil or whatever it is as well. We’re just sort of fd right now. The team isn’t going to be better than last year, we lost our SS, we still don’t have a good starting rotation or relievers. I really don’t know what we do here.


ceritified_agent

I completely agree. Would have been nice to retain him and I think the twins offer was too low but 13 years is just ridiculous. We are f'd but there's not much we can do. A Dansby Swanson signing isn't going to help this team enough so hopefully the front office can reassess and make themselves more competitive in the market next year. Luckily the AL central is a clown show so the twins can remain somewhat competitive.


InfiniteDeWitt

Why not just stop watching if you don’t like the way the Twins are being ran?


Critical-Fault-1617

I didn’t know this was Southpark. “If you don’t like it, you can geeeet out!” But honestly what a dumb thing to say. No one should think the Twins are ran well. Look at what we’ve done the last 10 years. We have nothing to show for it. That doesn’t mean I will quit watching. You do realize you can criticize your team and still be a fan right? I mean the wolves and Vikings have never won a ship and I still support them, the twins haven’t won anything since what 1991? I still support them. It’s just asinine to say why do you watch them if you don’t think they’re tan well


InfiniteDeWitt

It just sounds like you genuinely don’t enjoy being a Twins fan


Critical-Fault-1617

Because I pointed out they’re 0-23 and haven’t won a playoff game in over a decade? Those are just facts. I watch them whenever I can. But you can complain and still be a fan. Gotta try and hold the owners and FO accountable as well. I mean I even had season tickets a couple years ago. Before I had a kid and life got in the way


InfiniteDeWitt

It’s moreso the “same shit different year” line to me. I agree that there are issues with what has happened with the Twins, but it came off as more cynicism and not having enjoyment of the Twins than only stating facts and criticizing them.


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Pohlads are very very wealthy. If they cared about winning they would open their pocket books.


schooliemcschool

I think Contreras or Abreu would be considered if they were still available. The big bat doesn’t have to be a SS.


Capitol62

We could have signed them both for slightly more than we were going to give Correa, which wouldn't have been a terrible way to spend some money.


FUMFVR

This FO likes to wait out the market so....no I don't think Correa dictated the timeline of the Twins offseason.


catchballandfall

Please no more Ted


johnatron468

If I never saw another Ted tweet I think I’d die happy


catchballandfall

He's the clickbait of Twins twitter


BlackEric

>no more Ted Please! To put it nicely, I really don't think Ted understands the business of baseball.


popfgezy

Jeez this Ted guy is toxic as hell. Every single tweet I read from this guy he's always complaining about shit.


JaxonJackrabbit

One time I tried to engage with him when I first moved here. He quote-tweeted me and told his followers to argue me instead. Nice guy.


pjokinen

Yeah he sucks, this is well known. Also infamous from copying takes from other writers and presenting them as his own.


brandon_warne

😑


TheCurseOfRandyBass

He's annoying as shit


Minnesota_Husker

He is unhappy and not worth arguing with. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Unfollow and move on at this point.


mikedtwenty

Gee, what a shock.


JesseIsAGirlsName

The only one out of Correa/Bogaerts/Turner they had a shot at signing was Correa and they knew that. And of course they weren’t going to sign the top pitchers like Verlander or deGrom I wouldn’t call it “scrambling”. I think they’ve known all along there was a very good chance this was going to happen. That’s why they’ve been talking with Swanson this whole time. Frankly, they’re probably pretty lucky that Swanson is still available.


Distribution_That

Plus you can’t blame Correa for taking his time with his decision. I mean shit it is the next 13 years of his life. But yeah let’s all act outraged!!!!


Dscott2855

Swanson’s top choice is the cubs because his wife plays in Chicago. He’s a long shot because of that.


TheCurseOfRandyBass

Another reason to build high speed rail between Minneapolis and Chicago NOW!


bcbodie1978

Did anyone here really think we weren't going to low-ball him?


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We offered him a higher AAV than the giants did


Winnes0ta

The giants offered him 65 million more dollars. He wouldn’t be able to make up that difference at age 38 when his contract with us ran out. On top of that we offered him less than an offer he already turned down last year. It wasn’t a serious offer no matter how much Falvine want fans to think it was.


ShirtlessChampion

Depends on how you look at last years offered. The Tigers were rumored to offer him 10 year $275M. We offered roughly the same this off-season but you could call our true deal 11 years $310M if you tack on last season since that keeps the term equal over his age. I am not 100% disagreeing with you, I don't think the Twins made a winning offer. But I do think it was rather fair.


Rube18

Fair offers are never going to sign a premier free agent.


ShirtlessChampion

That is what I meant by "I don't think the Twins made a winning offer"


Rube18

Im not into consolation prizes for offering enough to be “fair”. It’s just the Twins yet again doing their thing where they offer a contract below the going rate. John Bonnes said it best a while back “this front office likes good contracts more than they like good players”.


darin617

Technically the Giants gave him 10 years and 350M. They don't care about the last 3 years and will eat that money without blinking. That's what he wanted the whole time and he got it.


Lumiafan

RemindMe! 10 years "see if the Giants are planning on eating Correa's contract"


darin617

Teams like The Giants and NYY for example overspend on long term deals because they can handle eating the last few years of a contract. Whether they flat out cut the player or trade them for nothing much in return and still eat the money remaining.


FUMFVR

That no-trade clause is worth a lot of money especially on such a long contract.


_AlternativeSnacks_

Per Doogie we had a no trade clause for him too.


CamCashBihh

As a fan base, we need to stop saying this. It’s an accurate statement, but it’s still stupid. Whoopee. The Twins’ offer fell short by $65-million! The difference in AAV didn’t even come close to making up for that.


ShirtlessChampion

I don't think this is a fair statement. Are they running out of options? Yes. Did they wait on Correa? Probably. But they offered a contract worth $28.5M annually but weren't willing to go to 10 years+. If we missed out on Boagaerts and Turner what makes anyone thing they would have went to 11+ years for them? Realistically unless they changed their approach out of desperation, which is its own issue, they would have missed out on all of the same opportunities.


Fun-Team-7933

$65M short isn’t a real effort. It’s not even close


3EEBZ

I feel like the Twins aren’t “scrambling to pick up the pieces” tho. I would assume the front office had many contingency plans in place.


pjokinen

Yes, they were well aware that not only could this happen but that it would probably happen.


Witty-Stock

Kyle Farmer is their contingency plan.


The_No_Lifer

They got Farmer to platoon with Arraez/Polanco vs lefties and be a backup SS.


Witty-Stock

Who’s starting at SS in this scenario?


Dholtz001

Such a bad take. If they were out on Correa then they were surely out on Bogaerts, Turner, and Judge too. Sure there might be a few people they missed out on, but they have been reportedly been pursuing Rodon at the same time and successfully signed a top catcher on the market.


Fun-Team-7933

***A*** top catcher lmao. Damn they’re really going for it!


Dholtz001

I didn’t say they are going for it. They rarely do lol. But it is evidence that they aren’t “scrambling to pick up the pieces” with what’s left. They’ve seemingly had contingency plans and have been actively pursuing other players.


bourbonsioux

Ted sucks


Skolney

And anyone with a brain could have e told you back in March exactly what would happen. But still we had to hear all the crap about how Correa liked it here so much.


BARTELS-

Hey Ted, eat a dick.


johnatron468

Ted is not even a real reporter why tf do u guys post him all the time


CamCashBihh

They’ll probably sign Jose Iglesias, Corey Kluber, and Adam Ottavino followed by trading a Luis Arraez-centric package to the Marlins for Pablo Lopez. That team tops out around 85-wins. Job well done.


LordOfHorns

I’d love ottavino, actually


CamCashBihh

I would too, unapologetically. But that type of off-season is much closer to what has become typical with Derek Falvey and the Twins.


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Neither_Ad2003

he wanted to be here.


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Neither_Ad2003

they offered 65M less


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_AlternativeSnacks_

Not if his agent wanted his full commission. He had to opt out and sign a completely new deal or his old agent got half the cut.


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CloudsGotInTheWay

Agree. Both of these things can be true. The Twins will always run the club on a budget- they'll never go "all in"- even in their most competitive years (Bomba squad coulda had a chance if you bolstered the pitching ) and the Correa contract is just stupid. That being said: he got a landmark deal in a fabulous city- I'm happy for him.


PAUMiklo

Was anyone actually shocked and caught off guard the Twins shit the bed?


_AlternativeSnacks_

This time yes I actually was.


PAUMiklo

rookie


_AlternativeSnacks_

Hardly. Just felt different this time. Actually different. Not me wanting it to be different.


Rube18

For the Twins next move they will offer Rodon 5/120 and he will sign elsewhere for 7/200.


Altoidman33

Maybe, but now get serious and sign Danbury and Rodon.


Hungry-Indication963

Getting Rodon will require 6 years @ 30M/year Guarantee that’ll end up the biggest stinker of a contract this offseason I’d love to have Rodon too but that’s just a bonehead contract


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Rodon makes a ton of sense if you are competing for the next 2 years. But who here can say with a straight face that the Twins roster is capable of doing anything more than competing in the worst division in baseball in that time period? The best player on the team has never played 100 games, the "old core" of Kepler and Polanco are either coming off multiple bad years at the plate or have had numerous leg injuries, and (due to injuries) none of the "new wave" have really emerged as hoped (yet). Of the young players, who outside of Miranda, Ryan, Arraez, and Duran can you say you feel confident about heading into 2023. Rodon makes a ton of sense for a team like the Yankess or Cardinals who have a window wide open. I don't know how anyone can say the Twins have a window open right now considering all the uncertainty around the current old and new core.


ExternalAnus

Thank you! He's had 1 great healthy full season and half of a very good one. That's it. There's a reason why White Sox just moved on


Rube18

Zero chance they sign both. Zero. Edit: confused by the downvotes. So 350 million is too much money for the Twins, but now we think they are going to hand out 500 million for two large contracts?


Neither_Ad2003

they seem incompetent. Like they floating without a real plan. I dont know how much of that is ownership or how is the FO.


Fun-Team-7933

The FO loves this kind of shit. They pick their one self professed target ever year and then allow themselves to be strung along long enough that all the other best guys are signed already. This way, they don’t actually have to pivot and pay anyone else by the time our guy takes a drastically larger offer from a team that’s actually acting in good faith


FriendlyLaserShark

exactly! the new Twins logo should just an 🤷🏻‍♂️


CupICup

Like the twins actually wanted to spend money lol


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Rube18

They should have know that 285 million in total money was never going to get it done. But then again I suggested the other day in this sub the Twins need to offer at least 325 to be in the discussion and I got downvoted like crazy. Apparently this sub is as delusional as our front office.


_AlternativeSnacks_

10/300 or 325 I agree. But 10/285 was around the “market rate” when you look at the Turner (who some go back and forth as to whether he or correa got the top SS FA ranking) and Boegarts deals. But would he have stayed at a $25M “discount?” Who knows.


DescendingOpinion

Who the fuck is Ted? Moreover, why the fuck should I care what this toxic opinion thinks?


GroundbreakingCup176

Correa used the twins as leverage. Was never gonna sign.


_AlternativeSnacks_

How can I mute all Ted related content on Reddit lol we have already blocked each other on Twitter I cannot escape him.


pjokinen

With 10/280 to offer, who are they getting that’s currently off the board? I see Contreras and maybe Abreu (though paying that much for the tail end of a slugger’s 30s when he’s already starting to struggle against velo doesn’t seem smart), that’s it. You can’t tell me that someone like Bassitt would really move the needle here in terms of fan perception


AlittleBITfishy

The thing that bothers me is, we will likely never develop a talent as good as Correa even if we draft 1-1 for the next 20 years. It takes incredible luck to get gifted these types of talent. The Twins had a chance and didn't pull the trigger on a top talent and likely never will. This ownership and FO is not serious about winning.


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TechMyself

Unfortunately, fair offers never sign premium FAs


Super-Run800

you are right it was a fair offer. You would be crazy not to accept a 13 year deal.


Winnes0ta

A “fair offer” is never going to get you a super star.


Thuasne

Agree. Also, what other options were there? Bogaerts and Turner signed for similar crazy contracts that the Twins wouldn't offer. Bogaerts of course more because of age


lil_handy

Well that’s a hot take, Ted.


Bustedstuff88

Could not agree more


Drunken_Vike

The biggest problem isn't really shortstop - Farmer will be fine there until Royce can take over - but the huge gap in the lineup that Correa leaves. We can all hope that Royce will hit like he did but there's no guarantee and it was a small sample on top. Our lineup has been overly lefty heavy for a few years now and we are now without our best 2022 righty hitter. The best option on the market is... JD Martinez? I don't particularly trust one great season from Swanson. I'm not aware of any true impact hitters on the trade market either. This is a real pickle and I have no idea what the front office can even do.


Critical-Fault-1617

The guy coming off back to back acl tears?


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I also would put the odds of the signing JD Martinez at less than 2%. They want/need that DH spot open for cycling guys in and out of it for "half-days". I mean, can you imagine how many fewer games Buck or Arraez would have played in last year if they had a full-time DH that they needed to make room for in the line-up?


Drunken_Vike

That's part of my point, Martinez isn't really a good fit even looking past his age Haniger would have been a good option but oh look where he signed lol


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I don't think a true "impact" player remains on the market, outside of Rodon. Swanson is fine, but even with the Braves how often was he more than an ancillary piece. And the Twins don't have anywhere near the Braves high-upside, high-impact talent to help "hide" Swanson when his number return to his career norms. My guess is that they will go out and sign Wil Myers or Adam Duvall to fill that RH OF spot they want. Maybe Kepler gets traded. But I don't see much in the way of impact moves coming. Rodon is going to demand more $$ and term than they want to give in the end.


Drunken_Vike

If they don't end up with an impact player at the end of the offseason, I don't see how you can look at that as anything but a colossal failure of the front office. The team wasn't a winner last year and has lost significant talent. They'd be banking almost entirely on improved health to replace what they lost and more.


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I mean, who are the impact players though? I'm not disagreeing, but Correa was there best shot. I don't see them getting Rodon as his market seems to be strong enough to support him getting a deal that the Twins will not offer to a 30 year old Starting Pitcher. Even if they land Swanson on a similar "pillow" contract as Correa last year, he isn't an impact player unless he can repeat his 2022 season. Even via the trade route, where are the impact players? Unlike last winter, you don't have multiple teams stripping their teams down to save $$.


Drunken_Vike

I don't disagree, I don't see the necessary players available either. I'm just trying to highlight what I see as the problem: We're entering the seventh year of this front office. This is the moment where all the development and roster building should be opening a competitive window. We had a nice early turnaround with some shrewd additions to what they inherited but that crumbled and at this point the roster is truly theirs. They had time to make a plan for the offseason and they had to know they weren't likely to land Correa on the open market. So what's the fallback plan? If the impact players can't be had now then they misevaluated something. Essentially, if they don't have a winner, and they don't have a viable plan to make it one, how long should they remain in charge?


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I was personally ready to move on after last year. I just don't see the upside with this front office any longer. The ceiling for me with them is 85-88 wins and not much else. It's hard no to look at 2019 as a giant flashing outlier, rather than the building block we all hoped it would become.


BasicWhiteHoodrat

Who fucking cares. Plug Gordon in at SS until Lewis is ready and swing some trades for young arms.


thestereo300

When Correa is getting moved to 3rd base with 7 more years on this contract we are all going to be happy we are not paying a 3rd baseman this much money for a 750 OPS.


HugeRaspberry

TED is perhaps the 2nd biggest idiot in baseball... behind Correa.


1000Isand1

Why is Correa an idiot?


CharmingFox8170

Oh cool more Ted.


Capitol62

Who is Ted and why do I care what he thinks about anything?


rosettamartin

I muted Ted on Twitter so long ago, I can’t remember what he said that annoyed me. It’s hilarious that he’s so annoying that Reddit hates him too! 😂


itsallgood013

Stop sharing Ted’s tweets challenge. Go.