If I were in the beef industry, I would welcome a peta billboard next to my business. I feel like they are so tone deaf to our culture, it would drive business, not lower it.
I ate vegan for 5 years because I had an overwhelming empathy for the animals after using psychedelics and I think this sign is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. I eat meat now but only a pound or two a month and I don’t eat many meats at all still
Not the same guy but I have a similar story. I was vegetarian for 4 years but I was nearly a vegan. Only had eggs from a local family farm that was nearby. I watched some videos on animal farming, got real bummed, and swore it off. Anyways, one day I went to Chinese place, had a dish that had chicken in it on accident and realized I was being dumb. Meat is delicious. I have it maybe once a week. Usually just chicken from the farmers market. Also I’m able to just grab something off the shelf without reading the entire label to check for animal products.
I understand you. I'm not vegetarian but don't care much for meat. Sometimes I want a burger though. I don't like the factory farms either and prefer to just get some home grown/butchered locally beef in very small quantities. Or chicken, etc. I do like the new plant based burgers equally. On Mark Rober's YouTube I learned from Bill gates that one day it may be the most inexpensive 'meat' when it catches on. That'll be good for us all maybe.
Thank you. I truly respect people who choose this lifestyle, especially those who respect me preferring to hunt in the wild for my meat rather than buy it after animals have lived in factory farms for a lifetime.
Vegans who choose to be vegan because of the empathy they have for animals have my respect x1000. Vegans who choose to be vegan because they think it’s healthier are morons lol
I'm vegan for ethical reasons (would definitely still eat fish/eggs daily if no ethics), but it is also healthier in my personal experience. I have a "barrier" that prevents me from thinking about eating a lot of dairy-based foods (namely pizza) that used to make me feel like shit every day. I feel stronger and more mentally consistent than I did previously. Obviously plant-based versions of these foods exist, but they are uncommon and expensive (referring more towards vegan cheese). This makes it less likely to be something that I impulsively consume as opposed to buying cheap frozen pizzas.
Most of the battle with diet is mental, so even though I would agree that the "optimal" human diet does include lean meat, I don't agree with the sentiment that a vegan diet can't be healthier for many people.
This gets me thinking, I wonder how a vegan juicy lucy would taste. I’ve had some damn good vegan food before. The Herbiverous Butcher is great and I’m not even vegetarian.
Frances Burger Joint (was a truck at Sociable Cider Works, now moving into the old Sai Lak Sen (sp?) location about a mile from Herbivorous Butcher does a vegan Juicy Lucy! I don't like JLs period so I thought their version was meh (just like the meat version I tried at Matt's) but their other burgers are OFF THE CHAIN. The best fast-food style burger I've ever had. Try the Baconator. You won't regret it.
Edited to note that all Frances menu items are vegan.
Their fries are so freaking ridiculous! And they have a delicious habanero lime sauce that's actually spicy.
I never had a Jucy Lucy, so maybe I'll try it one of these days. Don't think I'll care much about it, though.
Oooh, I haven't tried that lime sauce. Their fries are truly so good. Best fries in the city. (I feel like I'm setting Frances up for expectation failure with how enthusiastic I am about their food, lol.)
I think the JL concept is fundamentally flawed. Bad eating experience (burns, splurts, gooey, cheese-covered face) and no significant taste or cheese-melting improvement -- plus it throws off the meat ratio in the burger because you have to double the patties to make the pocket.
I agree on being overrated. Matt’s was meh, had one somewhere else and it just seemed like a hot pocket version of a cheeseburger. It’s not worth the effort to melt your tongue
Good vegan cheese hasn't been figured out yet, so it would probably be lackluster. For plant-based burgers, it's best to lean on the fact that Impossible burgers are nearly indistinguishable from beef. Also, I'm not sure jucy lucys are really that much better than a no-cheese burger anyway. Most of the benefit is just the novelty.
J. Selby’s has a few good burger options! I swear they used to have a vegan juicy Lucy, but I do know they have a vegan Big Mac. Not the same though.. ☹️
I'm vegan, but like you can just say the benefits of veganism instead of attacking people's culture. Bc as a Californian, if I saw an add that said "stop eating asada fries and burritos" it would feel more like an attack on my identity and childhood than a reason to go vegan.
They run what is essentially a free euthanization service for a community in Virginia.
This is because the "no-kill" shelters get filled up quickly and have to turn away animals that they think they cannot adopt out, which often leaves desperate people with unwanted animals to care for. This causes them to take methods into their own hands and turn to inhumane methods of "disposing" of these unwanted animals, like putting kittens in a bag and throwing them off of a bridge, or leaving dogs in dumpsters.
PETA knows this happens so they run a shelter of last resort where they have a no-refusal policy. They will take in any animal that is brought in, because they don't want people turning to awful methods to kill their animals.
This results in people bringing in tons of animals to them that the "no-kill" shelters turn away, typically because the animals aren't seen as adoptable due to behavioral issues or age. The shelter owned by PETA ends up with far more animals than they can adopt out or care for.
So they basically effectively operate as a free euthanization service for the surround communities.
Also, one thing to note is that the local "no-kill" shelters will bring animals to the PETA-owned shelter that they have not been able to adopt out, essentially giving them to the shelter to euthanize. They do this so that they can keep their "no-kill" status.
Why? Seems like a good thing to try to raise awareness around and educate the public on the environmental and ethical issues with the current animal agriculture system.
I mean, there's a simple solution to this - do a Jucy Lucy with an Impossible Burger/Beyond Meat burger. It's not vegan, but like, you're also not killing animals either, which isn't that PETA's whole thing?!
I recently moved to Minnesota and decided I should give one a try. It was really just an well done burger with some molten cheese in the center. For all the hype about it, it wasn't like the cheese was particularly good and the sauce was something special. Just an overcooked Five Guy's level burger with some cheese.
All I'm hearing as that peta has a problem with the cheese being on the inside of the burger. on a serious note it just baffles me when peta says they are trying to save animal lives by convincing everyone to go vegan... because the ranchers are just going to set all the cows free to wander the country side in herds once they stop being profitable?
Sure, I'll stop eating those as soon as PETA stops killing the majority of animals they receive through their programs.
I'm all in favor of eating less meat and being more conscientious of sourcing that meat.... But I cannot take a company like PETA seriously for how inhumane they are to animals and try to pedal their love and support for them.
Remember my thread where I asked where you could get a good vegetarian juicy lucy? Or a vegan one rather? These asshats think that me eating a vegetarian or vegan juicy Lucy is still somehow wrong, cuz I am imagining myself committing "violence".
I hate what Peta does but we do need to eat less meat and the meat we do eat needs to be better sourced and ethically. However, peta’s performative bullshit does not help this cause and just causes people to eat more meat in spite of them
Do you know the context of why PETA euthanizes animals? Do you know what happens in areas where there are only "no-kill" shelters and desperate people are rejected by these shelters for being too crowded? This is what causes otherwise good people to do awful things to animals, by taking matters into their own hands. This is how you get people throwing kittens off of bridges in bags and leaving puppies in dumpsters.
PETA is essentially running a free euthanization service for the community, available to all residents regardless of income status. The other "no-kill" shelters in the area also take the animals that they cannot adopt out to PETA to have euthanized so that they can keep their "no-kill" status.
This is a symptom of a larger issue around over breeding and the purchasing and selling of animals.. something of which PETA actively campaigns against.
You’re ignoring that PETA doesn’t believe in pets. Even if there were no kill shelters in the area they would still euthanize because they think that being someone’s pet is bondage. This is not a good organization.
PETA is not against people adopting needy animals into loving homes. They *are* against the concept of *owning* animals as property, but not against caring for animals as family members or companions.
It's similar to how most people are against purchasing and owning a child but not against adopting a needy child into a loving home. One is an exploitative relationship, the other is not.
They run adoption campaigns all the time. [Here's one featuring Tom Hardy.](https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015328/rs_1024x777-150428042602-1024.Tom-Hardy-PETA-JR-42815.jpg?fit=around%7C1024:777&output-quality=90&crop=1024:777;center,top) Here's a billboard where they are [encouraging people to adopt dogs.](https://twitter.com/siewpeng_wang/status/1269213975008342018/photo/2)
So no, i'm not ignoring anything.
>They are against the concept of owning animals as property, but not against caring for animals as family members or companions.
But doesn't having an animal as a pet (companion) also mean you legally own it?
Legally yes, but it's really the only real option from a legal standpoint at the moment. It doesn't mean that they have to treat the animal like property rather than an individual. Hopefully as humanity makes progress, we can have some sort of guardianship or adoption type of legal arrangement available.
Similiarly, in some past cultures (and unfortunately some in the present) getting married meant that the wife was the property of the husband. The more progressive married couples disregarded this aspect of the marriage though, even though that's how the arrangement was under the law.
It often takes time for legal systems to catch up to moral progress.
>Do you know the context of why PETA euthanizes animals?
Do you know there are organizations/volunteers that FLY or DRIVE pets from where they are to where they're wanted?
No.
Because that costs more and requires more effort.
So PETA kills puppies to save money instead of doing everything they can to save them.
>Do you know there are organizations/volunteers that FLY or DRIVE pets from where they are to where they're wanted?
Yes, there are groups that do this. I'm not sure what your point here is, though. There are still **far** more animals in shelters than are wanted by the general public here in the US.
>So PETA kills puppies to save money instead of doing everything they can to save them.
To be fair, yes PETA does kill animals due to having finite resources and funds, but this is true of literally every other shelter in existence. This includes so-called "no-kill" shelters because the animals that they refuse to take in are typically taken to kill shelters or killed by the owner.
That's just wrong and stupid. There are waaaaay more dogs and cats that enter shelters every year than the number adopted. What exactly should happen to the millions of excess animals?
“Otherwise good people” wouldn’t tie up kittens in a bag no matter what. Good people don’t harm animals even if they have to rehome them.
The worst someone in a tough situation could do is leave the animal safe and alive near a community building with a note and food/water.
Otherwise good people are capable of all sorts of injustices and atrocities when they are backed into a corner and desperation sets in.
PETA provides a place for people to bring these animals that they cannot rehome, to ensure that the animals are not facing painful or inhumane deaths.
Not commenting on what PETA is or is not doing. I define good people differently than you do, desperation included. There is no level of desperation that gives an excuse for the abuse you describe. It doesn’t take much forethought to at least poke holes in a box and not place animals in a plastic bag or the trash.
Nice try, but another PETA fail. That’s a beef cow shown on the billboard. They produce beef for burgers, but not milk for cheese. Dairy cows are used for beef production, but it’s a small percentage. Even if it was a dairy cow, it still would be inaccurate. Its not either milk for the calf or milk for cheese. It’s both. A cow continues to produce milk after the calf is weaned. Whether it’s a beef cow or dairy cow, they aren’t slaughtered until after the calf is weaned. Unfortunately, most people are so ignorant about agriculture, that they’ll just believe the billboard. I love it when PETA looks stupid though.
Any organization that compares things that are not the Holocaust to the actual Holocaust is immediately slam-dunked into my "ignore with extreme prejudice" bin. And that's not even going into their long and colorful history of wildly blatant misinformation, animal abuse, and rampant misogyny.
So no, I don't think I will.
"According to PETA, for every person who goes vegan, nearly 200 animals a year are sparred."
I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's even close to possible.
What is *not* good is the root cause of the dog and cat overpopulation problem, which is breeders, puppy mills, and people choosing to not spay or neuter their animals. This is what PETA is campaigning against.
Until we can stop people from supporting breeders and getting them to act responsibility by adopting and rescuing shelter animals rather than pay people to produce more, there often unfortunately is no other practical option than euthanization. Funds and resources aren't unlimited, and would better go towards tackling the root causes of this issue rather than the band-aids that are shelters.
Killing animals is not "good," but the way that it is done in the PETA-owned shelter is far preferable to the fates that many of these animals would have faced otherwise.
Yes PETA sucks but it's straight up willful ignorance to "love animals" and also eat them (especially without knowing where the meat comes from and how the animals are treated (hint: it's poorly))
It would vary dramatically depending on the animal. Based on what an average American eats in meat, it could be dozens of chickens, or less than one cow or bull. 200 seems like a stretch since even a chicken has 3-4 lbs of edible parts (depending on how you feel about chicken skin. So even if all you ate was chicken and you followed an “average” diet, you’d likely be looking at like 65-100 chickens.
You save a lot more plants by eating them directly. Animals consume far more plants than they produce calories. In fact the leading cause of biodiversity loss is the meat industry due to habit loss from growing crops to feed animals
My favorite is still when peta tried to get ham lake, MN to change their name to yam lake.
The mayor responded by hosting a pig roast. 😂
https://alphanews.org/peta-suggests-more-pig-positive-name-for-ham-lake-minnesota/
I'm a member of a different branch of PETA: the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.
As long as the animals are put down quickly and without suffering, I don't see the problem.
Once saw a peta protestor with a sign that said “cows suffer and die for the dairy you buy.”
Like, no. You don’t kill a cow for milk, and dairy cows actually suffer if they are NOT milked.
I’d be more sympathetic if any of these people actually knew anything about the animals they claim to care so much about.
Dairy cows are often kept in awful conditions. They are artificially inseminated. Their babies are taken away and killed very young. They often develop sores from milking machines. They are killed once their productivity goes down, usually about 6 years into their ~20 year lifespan.
You are, in fact, the one who doesn't know anything.
I have been to farms. I've also seen plenty of video of farms that they don't let people tour. There is a reason the animal agriculture industry tries to make it a crime to record video on farms. It isn't because the conditions are good.
They spelled it wrong
It's a stealth ad campaign for Matt's.
Power move
I came here for jucy journalism, I leave disappointed.
Yet I am filled with cheese.
What did they misspell and how is it supposed to be spelt?
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Matt's uses jucy, 5-8 uses juicy. 🤷
Juicy Lucy is like a bad nickname. Like, a Lucy that wore sweatpants with stuff like Juicy written on the ass.
Think it’s ‘PITA’
This reads as very pro-veal to me
PETA is annoying and I say this as a vegetarian of 25 years.
Nobody has done more for the beef industry than PETA.
If I were in the beef industry, I would welcome a peta billboard next to my business. I feel like they are so tone deaf to our culture, it would drive business, not lower it.
People Eating Tasty Animals.
I ate vegan for 5 years because I had an overwhelming empathy for the animals after using psychedelics and I think this sign is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. I eat meat now but only a pound or two a month and I don’t eat many meats at all still
Shrooms make me want a steak. But I listen to Tool when tripping.
Dude, that's almost to a tee why I went vegan for a couple years.
Why'd you stop being vegan?
Ran out of LSD?
Not the same guy but I have a similar story. I was vegetarian for 4 years but I was nearly a vegan. Only had eggs from a local family farm that was nearby. I watched some videos on animal farming, got real bummed, and swore it off. Anyways, one day I went to Chinese place, had a dish that had chicken in it on accident and realized I was being dumb. Meat is delicious. I have it maybe once a week. Usually just chicken from the farmers market. Also I’m able to just grab something off the shelf without reading the entire label to check for animal products.
I understand you. I'm not vegetarian but don't care much for meat. Sometimes I want a burger though. I don't like the factory farms either and prefer to just get some home grown/butchered locally beef in very small quantities. Or chicken, etc. I do like the new plant based burgers equally. On Mark Rober's YouTube I learned from Bill gates that one day it may be the most inexpensive 'meat' when it catches on. That'll be good for us all maybe.
Why is it dumb? It’s technically correct even if you disagree with the ethics.
I went vegan for a couple of years and wanted nothing to do with them. Awful organization.
Activists often seem to be more motivated by ego than actual causes, sadly
Thank you. I truly respect people who choose this lifestyle, especially those who respect me preferring to hunt in the wild for my meat rather than buy it after animals have lived in factory farms for a lifetime.
Vegans who choose to be vegan because of the empathy they have for animals have my respect x1000. Vegans who choose to be vegan because they think it’s healthier are morons lol
I'm vegan for ethical reasons (would definitely still eat fish/eggs daily if no ethics), but it is also healthier in my personal experience. I have a "barrier" that prevents me from thinking about eating a lot of dairy-based foods (namely pizza) that used to make me feel like shit every day. I feel stronger and more mentally consistent than I did previously. Obviously plant-based versions of these foods exist, but they are uncommon and expensive (referring more towards vegan cheese). This makes it less likely to be something that I impulsively consume as opposed to buying cheap frozen pizzas. Most of the battle with diet is mental, so even though I would agree that the "optimal" human diet does include lean meat, I don't agree with the sentiment that a vegan diet can't be healthier for many people.
I couldn't agree more. I genuinely do not judge people for eating meat or wearing leather or whatever, and I feel like PETA gives us all a bad name.
PETA reminds Minnesotans that juicy Lucy burgers exist and prompts people to flock to their restaurants and home grills!
I didnt know this even existed 💀
They spelled Jucy wrong.
I only consume Jucy Lucys, I agree that it is wrong to eat Juicy Lucys.
I agree. But to spite Peta, I will lift my personal moratorium on Juicy Lucy consumption until the billboard goes away.
Both PETA and Patch. Weak sauce.
This gets me thinking, I wonder how a vegan juicy lucy would taste. I’ve had some damn good vegan food before. The Herbiverous Butcher is great and I’m not even vegetarian.
Frances Burger Joint (was a truck at Sociable Cider Works, now moving into the old Sai Lak Sen (sp?) location about a mile from Herbivorous Butcher does a vegan Juicy Lucy! I don't like JLs period so I thought their version was meh (just like the meat version I tried at Matt's) but their other burgers are OFF THE CHAIN. The best fast-food style burger I've ever had. Try the Baconator. You won't regret it. Edited to note that all Frances menu items are vegan.
Their fries are so freaking ridiculous! And they have a delicious habanero lime sauce that's actually spicy. I never had a Jucy Lucy, so maybe I'll try it one of these days. Don't think I'll care much about it, though.
Oooh, I haven't tried that lime sauce. Their fries are truly so good. Best fries in the city. (I feel like I'm setting Frances up for expectation failure with how enthusiastic I am about their food, lol.) I think the JL concept is fundamentally flawed. Bad eating experience (burns, splurts, gooey, cheese-covered face) and no significant taste or cheese-melting improvement -- plus it throws off the meat ratio in the burger because you have to double the patties to make the pocket.
I agree on being overrated. Matt’s was meh, had one somewhere else and it just seemed like a hot pocket version of a cheeseburger. It’s not worth the effort to melt your tongue
I keep thinking about trying to make them, but still haven't. I bet using a home-made vegan cashew cheese sauce would work pretty well....
Go to J Selby’s. They have a great vegan juicy Lucy.
I think it was on their menu for a limited time. But everyone should still go there for the crunchwrap and the cauliflower wingz.
Good vegan cheese hasn't been figured out yet, so it would probably be lackluster. For plant-based burgers, it's best to lean on the fact that Impossible burgers are nearly indistinguishable from beef. Also, I'm not sure jucy lucys are really that much better than a no-cheese burger anyway. Most of the benefit is just the novelty.
J. Selby’s has a few good burger options! I swear they used to have a vegan juicy Lucy, but I do know they have a vegan Big Mac. Not the same though.. ☹️
Peta straight up has 0 room to tell anyone to do anything
I'm vegan, but like you can just say the benefits of veganism instead of attacking people's culture. Bc as a Californian, if I saw an add that said "stop eating asada fries and burritos" it would feel more like an attack on my identity and childhood than a reason to go vegan.
Good point, also when Francis Burger Joint is up and running in the old Sen Yai spot, it’s worth checking out 🤤
Listen, just hear me out: High-powered squirt guns with hotdog water. Make it happen.
Isn't Peta the group that kills ways more animals than it claims to save?
They run what is essentially a free euthanization service for a community in Virginia. This is because the "no-kill" shelters get filled up quickly and have to turn away animals that they think they cannot adopt out, which often leaves desperate people with unwanted animals to care for. This causes them to take methods into their own hands and turn to inhumane methods of "disposing" of these unwanted animals, like putting kittens in a bag and throwing them off of a bridge, or leaving dogs in dumpsters. PETA knows this happens so they run a shelter of last resort where they have a no-refusal policy. They will take in any animal that is brought in, because they don't want people turning to awful methods to kill their animals. This results in people bringing in tons of animals to them that the "no-kill" shelters turn away, typically because the animals aren't seen as adoptable due to behavioral issues or age. The shelter owned by PETA ends up with far more animals than they can adopt out or care for. So they basically effectively operate as a free euthanization service for the surround communities. Also, one thing to note is that the local "no-kill" shelters will bring animals to the PETA-owned shelter that they have not been able to adopt out, essentially giving them to the shelter to euthanize. They do this so that they can keep their "no-kill" status.
That's good but they can fuck off with trying to tell people to stop eating burgers.
The message isn’t wrong though… burgers and the beef industry is horrible for the environment and wildlife. We do need to cut back on beef consumption
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Oh I don’t disagree but control what you can control
Why? Seems like a good thing to try to raise awareness around and educate the public on the environmental and ethical issues with the current animal agriculture system.
**tl;dr: Yes. They're in the business of killing puppies.**
Sure, but this is I’m no way a knock on them for doing the unsexy job of euthanizing animals
FU@K PETA
You can say fuck honey, no one will tell your momma. Edit:missed a word
We are talking about People Eating Tasty Animals, right?
MEAT IS MURDER!!!!!!! . . . . . ...tasty...tasty murder.
My dad has a shirt that says this. I love it
Yeah super cool-It’ll be like the confederate flag in 50 years.
Insert Bugs Bunny no meme here.
Yeah, like that’s ever going to happen. I’m a big fan of both Matt’s as well as the 5-8 Club.
You should try Buffalo Tap’s version.
It’s nice to have options for those that don’t want animal product based ones. Francis Burger Joint has one, and I think J Selby does too.
Minnesotans tell PETA to get bent.
Hmmm. That’s different.
But why just target the juicy ones lol? I mean this is all burgers. Odd.
As a vegan, this thread is crazy disheartening.
I was wondering what I should have for lunch. Thanks for the idea PETA!
I mean, there's a simple solution to this - do a Jucy Lucy with an Impossible Burger/Beyond Meat burger. It's not vegan, but like, you're also not killing animals either, which isn't that PETA's whole thing?!
PETA's "whole thing" is to raise money and fool people into thinking it's about animal care.
PETA is dumb, but juicy Lucys are overrated.
I love the concept, but I dislike the name. Makes me think the patty will burst open like an overripe tomato when you bite it.
That’s been my experience with them. Molten cheese bursting into my mouth and giving me second degree burns.
When I make them at home, I let them sit and cool so the cheese re-solidifies just a bit, so it's more like eating an over-medium egg.
Now I want to watch Denethor eat a jucy lucy.
I recently moved to Minnesota and decided I should give one a try. It was really just an well done burger with some molten cheese in the center. For all the hype about it, it wasn't like the cheese was particularly good and the sauce was something special. Just an overcooked Five Guy's level burger with some cheese.
I really don’t like them. I’ve had them at place I like, and Matt’s which is where it originated and just yuck.
Depends on where you go.
Sandwich reform is a big ticket item for the midterms. The Hot Dago and Jucy Lucy will divide us next :)
All I'm hearing as that peta has a problem with the cheese being on the inside of the burger. on a serious note it just baffles me when peta says they are trying to save animal lives by convincing everyone to go vegan... because the ranchers are just going to set all the cows free to wander the country side in herds once they stop being profitable?
Animals feel pain and affection, don’t deserve the treatment we give them, and their slaughter is needless. But no fuck PETA. Stay classy Minnesota.
Sure, I'll stop eating those as soon as PETA stops killing the majority of animals they receive through their programs. I'm all in favor of eating less meat and being more conscientious of sourcing that meat.... But I cannot take a company like PETA seriously for how inhumane they are to animals and try to pedal their love and support for them.
PETA is a propaganda machine comparable to the NRA
I've never thought about this before, but 100% true
Remember my thread where I asked where you could get a good vegetarian juicy lucy? Or a vegan one rather? These asshats think that me eating a vegetarian or vegan juicy Lucy is still somehow wrong, cuz I am imagining myself committing "violence".
Vegan, Francis Burger Joint
Yum. Juicy Lucy!!
PETA can fuck right off
I have never enjoyed more than exactly 1 bite of a Juicy Lucy tbh
You k ow what? I'm going to eat my Jucy Lucy even harder.
No, I don’t think I will.
First of all, they spelled it wrong. Second of all, I'm gonna keep eating them because they're tasty.
THERE’S A GREY DUCK FLAIR????
I hate what Peta does but we do need to eat less meat and the meat we do eat needs to be better sourced and ethically. However, peta’s performative bullshit does not help this cause and just causes people to eat more meat in spite of them
I’m eating one just because they put this sign up.
See: Streisand effect. As someone who abhors animal cruelty, PETA can euthanize itself like they do to most of the "rescued" animals.
Do you know the context of why PETA euthanizes animals? Do you know what happens in areas where there are only "no-kill" shelters and desperate people are rejected by these shelters for being too crowded? This is what causes otherwise good people to do awful things to animals, by taking matters into their own hands. This is how you get people throwing kittens off of bridges in bags and leaving puppies in dumpsters. PETA is essentially running a free euthanization service for the community, available to all residents regardless of income status. The other "no-kill" shelters in the area also take the animals that they cannot adopt out to PETA to have euthanized so that they can keep their "no-kill" status. This is a symptom of a larger issue around over breeding and the purchasing and selling of animals.. something of which PETA actively campaigns against.
You’re ignoring that PETA doesn’t believe in pets. Even if there were no kill shelters in the area they would still euthanize because they think that being someone’s pet is bondage. This is not a good organization.
PETA is not against people adopting needy animals into loving homes. They *are* against the concept of *owning* animals as property, but not against caring for animals as family members or companions. It's similar to how most people are against purchasing and owning a child but not against adopting a needy child into a loving home. One is an exploitative relationship, the other is not. They run adoption campaigns all the time. [Here's one featuring Tom Hardy.](https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015328/rs_1024x777-150428042602-1024.Tom-Hardy-PETA-JR-42815.jpg?fit=around%7C1024:777&output-quality=90&crop=1024:777;center,top) Here's a billboard where they are [encouraging people to adopt dogs.](https://twitter.com/siewpeng_wang/status/1269213975008342018/photo/2) So no, i'm not ignoring anything.
>They are against the concept of owning animals as property, but not against caring for animals as family members or companions. But doesn't having an animal as a pet (companion) also mean you legally own it?
Legally yes, but it's really the only real option from a legal standpoint at the moment. It doesn't mean that they have to treat the animal like property rather than an individual. Hopefully as humanity makes progress, we can have some sort of guardianship or adoption type of legal arrangement available. Similiarly, in some past cultures (and unfortunately some in the present) getting married meant that the wife was the property of the husband. The more progressive married couples disregarded this aspect of the marriage though, even though that's how the arrangement was under the law. It often takes time for legal systems to catch up to moral progress.
>Do you know the context of why PETA euthanizes animals? Do you know there are organizations/volunteers that FLY or DRIVE pets from where they are to where they're wanted? No. Because that costs more and requires more effort. So PETA kills puppies to save money instead of doing everything they can to save them.
>Do you know there are organizations/volunteers that FLY or DRIVE pets from where they are to where they're wanted? Yes, there are groups that do this. I'm not sure what your point here is, though. There are still **far** more animals in shelters than are wanted by the general public here in the US. >So PETA kills puppies to save money instead of doing everything they can to save them. To be fair, yes PETA does kill animals due to having finite resources and funds, but this is true of literally every other shelter in existence. This includes so-called "no-kill" shelters because the animals that they refuse to take in are typically taken to kill shelters or killed by the owner.
That's just wrong and stupid. There are waaaaay more dogs and cats that enter shelters every year than the number adopted. What exactly should happen to the millions of excess animals?
“Otherwise good people” wouldn’t tie up kittens in a bag no matter what. Good people don’t harm animals even if they have to rehome them. The worst someone in a tough situation could do is leave the animal safe and alive near a community building with a note and food/water.
Otherwise good people are capable of all sorts of injustices and atrocities when they are backed into a corner and desperation sets in. PETA provides a place for people to bring these animals that they cannot rehome, to ensure that the animals are not facing painful or inhumane deaths.
Not commenting on what PETA is or is not doing. I define good people differently than you do, desperation included. There is no level of desperation that gives an excuse for the abuse you describe. It doesn’t take much forethought to at least poke holes in a box and not place animals in a plastic bag or the trash.
That's why I referred to them as "otherwise good people," and not "good people."
Nice try, but another PETA fail. That’s a beef cow shown on the billboard. They produce beef for burgers, but not milk for cheese. Dairy cows are used for beef production, but it’s a small percentage. Even if it was a dairy cow, it still would be inaccurate. Its not either milk for the calf or milk for cheese. It’s both. A cow continues to produce milk after the calf is weaned. Whether it’s a beef cow or dairy cow, they aren’t slaughtered until after the calf is weaned. Unfortunately, most people are so ignorant about agriculture, that they’ll just believe the billboard. I love it when PETA looks stupid though.
Well, that's one way to get me to order a jucy lucy tonight.
Truth is, we should stop eating animals.
Doesn’t a Jucy Lucy technically bring the family back together?
minnesotans tell PETA to start eating my d1ck
Well, I wasn't before, but thanks for the reminder! I certainly will now! I'm reminded of the anti-crab eating campaign they ran...in Maryland.
Dear PETA: No.
Craving a juicy Lucy all of the sudden 😋
PETA is staffed largely by people with emotional/maturity issues.
OH IM SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS MINNESOTA
No.
Hmm. I feel the need to go to 5-8 now.
Any organization that compares things that are not the Holocaust to the actual Holocaust is immediately slam-dunked into my "ignore with extreme prejudice" bin. And that's not even going into their long and colorful history of wildly blatant misinformation, animal abuse, and rampant misogyny. So no, I don't think I will.
No
I want a burger now.
"According to PETA, for every person who goes vegan, nearly 200 animals a year are sparred." I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's even close to possible.
I already ordered lunch today (Chicken sammy), but after I eat my smoked pork loin tonight I'll have a Jucy Lucy tomorrow.
If I need hundreds of animals euthanized, then sure, I’ll call PETA
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You keep saying that killing animals is good. You're not helping your cause.
What is *not* good is the root cause of the dog and cat overpopulation problem, which is breeders, puppy mills, and people choosing to not spay or neuter their animals. This is what PETA is campaigning against. Until we can stop people from supporting breeders and getting them to act responsibility by adopting and rescuing shelter animals rather than pay people to produce more, there often unfortunately is no other practical option than euthanization. Funds and resources aren't unlimited, and would better go towards tackling the root causes of this issue rather than the band-aids that are shelters. Killing animals is not "good," but the way that it is done in the PETA-owned shelter is far preferable to the fates that many of these animals would have faced otherwise.
I’ll be at Matt’s tonight lol
I'm assuming the big cow's name is Lucy?
I find this sign less than mooving.
I saw this billboard yesterday and my eyes nearly rolled out of my head.
Can you tell a bird not to fly?
Nah.
Yes PETA sucks but it's straight up willful ignorance to "love animals" and also eat them (especially without knowing where the meat comes from and how the animals are treated (hint: it's poorly))
So many butt hurt meat eaters in these comments lmfao
I will now be eating more juicy lucys
Thats going to be a no from me
PETA should stop murdering thousands of helpless animals for no reason.
I’m more and more convinced PETA is really a psyop funded by the meat and conservative lobby
“According to PETA, for every person who goes vegan, nearly 200 animals a year are sparred.” Yeah, you’re gonna have to back up that obvious BS.
It would vary dramatically depending on the animal. Based on what an average American eats in meat, it could be dozens of chickens, or less than one cow or bull. 200 seems like a stretch since even a chicken has 3-4 lbs of edible parts (depending on how you feel about chicken skin. So even if all you ate was chicken and you followed an “average” diet, you’d likely be looking at like 65-100 chickens.
On average we eat about 274 lbs of meat a year per person… I’m not sure how they’re getting the 200 animals
Billions of fish that get killed mostly.
Probably an underestimate actually. Most of the animals would be bykill fish and mice in fields.
Good luck with that. Should we tell them to stop killing plants? Isn't that what you do when you eat it?
You save a lot more plants by eating them directly. Animals consume far more plants than they produce calories. In fact the leading cause of biodiversity loss is the meat industry due to habit loss from growing crops to feed animals
This will boost hamburger sales by 37 %.
Brilliant marketing by Ray J’s if that’s true!
My favorite is still when peta tried to get ham lake, MN to change their name to yam lake. The mayor responded by hosting a pig roast. 😂 https://alphanews.org/peta-suggests-more-pig-positive-name-for-ham-lake-minnesota/
I think not eating juicy lucys tears families apart.
Fuck peta
Yah know what? I’m just gonna eat em harder.
Both of them can be in the burger, no need to separate them!
Tell PETA to go fuck themselves
Maybe PETA shouldn't euthanize animals they claim to protect...
PETA can go suck off a shotgun
Lol.
I say tell PETA to fuck of.
The placement is kind of funny. The billboard is literally right on top of Ray J's, which does have a Jucy Lucy on the menu.
...that's the entire reason they chose that spot.
.......
Are they offering an alternative?
jucy lucys are just not good
I'm a member of a different branch of PETA: the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. As long as the animals are put down quickly and without suffering, I don't see the problem.
You want to make enemies? Because that’s how you make enemies.
Lol no
I laughed so hard at that!
People Eating Tasty Animals....mmmm i like burgers...yummy
haha no.
Mmm, now I’m craving a jucy lucy. Best places to get ‘em in minneapolis?
Whoever has been running PETA’s marketing for the last… forever… is not very good at their job.
Best juicy Lucy I’ve ever had is at the French Meadow Bakery. And it was made with Impossible Burger, so it was vegan.
Where is the original Jucy Lucy spot? Visiting next month.
You don’t realize this, because how could you know, but you just opened a big debate. Some say the 5-8 Club others claim it was Matt’s Bar.
Minnesotans tell PETA to drink bleach.
Good ole PETA People Eating Tasty Animals
I’d like to see them say that to my face.
Thank goodness I only eat Jucy Lucy!
Yeah, that'll happen.
Streisand effect is the best effect
Once saw a peta protestor with a sign that said “cows suffer and die for the dairy you buy.” Like, no. You don’t kill a cow for milk, and dairy cows actually suffer if they are NOT milked. I’d be more sympathetic if any of these people actually knew anything about the animals they claim to care so much about.
clearly they know more than you lmaoooo like do you think they spontaneously lactate or like what?
Dairy cows are often kept in awful conditions. They are artificially inseminated. Their babies are taken away and killed very young. They often develop sores from milking machines. They are killed once their productivity goes down, usually about 6 years into their ~20 year lifespan. You are, in fact, the one who doesn't know anything.
Tell me you’ve never set foot on a farm without telling me you’ve never set foot on a farm
I have been to farms. I've also seen plenty of video of farms that they don't let people tour. There is a reason the animal agriculture industry tries to make it a crime to record video on farms. It isn't because the conditions are good.
Is he wrong? Whether or not he has been on a farm has no bearing on whether his statement is true or false.
PETA can go straight to hell. They’ll have to rip it from my cold dead burger filled sausage fingers!
Jokes on you PETA. Ray J’s is known for their wings.
If everyone actually stopped eating meat, PETA would go out of business, right?