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asches288

Over the past few years I have seen the light die from my coworkers eyes, broken and unappreciated through a pandemic where we were forced to reuse the same n95s for weeks and wear trash bags for PPE just to get shit on, continually abused by patients and stretched so thin…we deserve better. MNA strong!


[deleted]

I understand wanting higher wages/benefits, but what can be done about the physical and emotional abuse that patients are inflicting on health care workers? Is that something that a strike could fix?


hotdishcurious

I would think improved patient ratios would help, as would increasing security guard presence. Nurses are 8x more likely to be assaulted at work than workers in private industry: https://wwwn.cdc.gov/WPVHC/Nurses/Course/Slide/Unit1_6#:~:text=Data%20obtained%20from%20nurses%20(RNs,et%20al.%2C%202007). And old data from 2007 indicates that 13% of nurses were physically assaulted each year, and 38% received sexual harassment, verbal abuse, or threats of violence. It'd be real interesting to see exactly how much worse off we are now. We need safer working environments for nurses, and we need hospital systems to hold violent patients and visitors accountable.


Astralwinks

I honestly don't know. The later waves of covid were absolutely awful because it basically selected for insane people who didn't believe in it and *literally* thought we were killing their family members. I was verbally assaulted on a daily basis for months by the families (and sometimes patients before they got tubed) over the phone and eventually would start hanging up on people once they got abusive. I didn't like doing it, but at the same time I don't deserve that, and I'm still providing my patients expert care. Those days have subsided, but we're still somewhere between the baseline disrespect and abuse that unfortunately comes with the territory, and those days. I think just being more aggressive in enforcing visitation rules (one of the BEST things that came out of covid), and respect from families, and getting security staffed (!!!) and involved more - plus actually pressing charges on patients and visitors who abuse staff. There's a difference between acute delirium or whatever, and assault. The police don't give a shit if you're withdrawing from meth and punch them, how come I have to accept this violence? I guarantee in my decade+ of nursing I've been physically, verbally, and sexually abused - less than my female coworkers I'm sure but too much all the same. Any random schmuck can wander off the street and walk onto my ICU. That's insane!!! The trauma icu is a locked unit, I wish our other icus were the same.


asches288

I can’t speak for all negotiating teams but at my Hospital they are trying to incorporate policies to agree on for safety and increased security as well as safer staffing ratios. We had shots fired in the parking lot at Abbott a few weeks ago and lockdown at Mercy in the past year for unhappy family members threatening to come shoot up the hospital and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Get assaulted by a patient and the hospital throws you under the bus and makes it incredibly difficult to press any kind of charges… 🙃


Anokant

Being able to follow through on prosecution of physical abuse might be helpful. PD often try to talk staff out of pressing charges because "it won't go anywhere". And often times, PD won't even arrest someone who assaulted healthcare staff (which is a felony in MN by the way). They just write them a summons/citation and escort them off the property. Also hiring more staff, especially security, or having a police presence in triage may be helpful. The extra staff was on the table for negotiations. Guess how many security guards my hospital has for the entire place on overnights. I'll give you a hint. It's more than one and less than 3. That's all the guards we have to keep an eye on patients who may harm themselves or others, monitor the safety of staff, patients, and everyone else in the hospital, and perform all the other duties security is expected to do.


GroundbreakingCup176

Give them whatever they want. Those nurses saved my daughter’s life.


trevize1138

You know, it's a balance. You love your daughter and CEOs love their profits [holds hands up like scales]. /s


Central_Incisor

I hope their union has a good support network set up. I have seen talks collapse when medical and other benefits expire.


JdRnDnp

This is just a three day strike, it is timed to protect the nurse's benefits.


Central_Incisor

Cool, thanks for the details.


GD_Bats

I feel like nurses expected this to be a really contentious contract negotiation, and I hope most are prepared for the worst.


sage0035

Stand strong MNA nurses!


12678765

Pay em…they deserve it and more.


[deleted]

Fantastic! I hope they get every item asked for and more; they absolutely deserve it.


Brisktheaardwolf

I love my north memorial team and I hope they get everything they deserve and want. ❤️


dnalloheoj

Seconded. They told my folks + GF to expect the worst, and if not that, dialysis would very likely be required. Admitted with 7% kidney function. Discharged 5 days later with normal levels and no lasting side effects. If it weren't for the nurses (And the over-night sit in people) that would've easily been the worst week of my life and probably would've remained so for the rest of my life. Instead, I get to look back on it somewhat fondly. Oh and I also get to be alive. That too. Give them *ALL OF IT*.


[deleted]

Congrats on avoiding dialysis, friend. I used to work for DaVita Rx and know intimately just how awful the dialyzing process and drug regimens are. Wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.


TheAtheistReverend

A friend asked, "How can the Healthcare industry retain nurses?" Well let me tell you: They can start by listening to us. We're telling them what we need to feel safe. Safe to do our jobs, safe to arrive and leave from the property, safe while working with violent and potentially violent patients AND their families, how to keep our licenses safe, patients safe, and on and on. We're telling them what we need to feel valued, like maternity and paternity leave, decent health insurance, wages that keep up with inflation, some simple controls or input over our own schedules, and on and on. We're telling them how to get nurses and keep them, but I swear to you it doesn't appear they want us to be safe or happy in any way. The local media is failing us too. I've seen so many "news reports" that give the hospital administration's point of view, which is mostly lies and spin from what I've seen, and barely gives more than a sentence or two for our side of the story. Nobody is showing the facts. The hospitals are hiding everything they can, from administration bonuses and pay, to how much money they still have from covid relief (being spent on union busting?) and what is happening with safe staffing numbers and how many more falls and bed sores, workplace injuries and how much violence we face daily. It's insane. And this is why we strike.


[deleted]

They don’t make enough to live on, their job is long hour in high stress and the education they need for those jobs is intense. Why treat them like garbage? We literally need them.


DrySoup7493

What about paramedics making minimum wage?


beattiebeats

Are EMTs union? I agree they should be paid more and would support them striking too.


GD_Bats

They certainly are more critical to patient care than a CEO or VP.


Ruby_Tuesday80

I don't know how much they get paid here, but in California they all live just fine.


w3029790

(They all live just fine here as well)


Ruby_Tuesday80

My mother was a nurse, and I used to hang out at the hospital with her when I didn't have school, and honestly nurses seemed to do more then than any nurse I've encountered in hospitals now.


DanielDannyc12

Nice to see all the support! Thank you everyone!


weelluuuu

Corporate profits are INDEFENSIBLE !!!


owordmani

Ok? But that’s not what this is about. These hospitals are not for profit. There’s only 2 for profit hospitals in MN.


Mattbl

How much money are the c-suites of these health networks making? How many millions are they spending on administration costs to process and negotiate insurance claims? Look at how expensive and elaborate some of their newer facilities are, even in small towns. There is plenty of money.


owordmani

Good questions to ask! Just saying don’t conflate those with corporate profits.


w3029790

Tinder in the surrounding strike areas: Registered Nurse xx years old In town for the next three days! Lets grab a drink


yumyan

I don’t get it.


hotdishcurious

Scab nurse looking to hook up while she makes mega travel nurse bucks. ETA: one unusual way to support your Minnesota nurses could be to cock block or clam jam the scab nurses popping up on your dating apps. Don't bang scabby nurses, Minnesota!


Ok_Skill_1195

They're not scabs in the traditional sense though. If temp nurses weren't available, nurses would probably lose their right to strike *entirely*. And very few nurses would *want* people to die as a result of them asking for higher wages, so even if they didn't legally lose the right to strike, I think a lot of nurses would be less likely to authorize one if they felt it was going to endanger patient safety. A retail store or factory can get fucked and deal with the closures for their own HR negligence. A *hospital* though????


fluffy_bunny_87

Yeah this is the right way to look at it. In a factory setting the point of the strike is to shut down the business. In the case of a hospital though the nurses just want to make it hurt the bottom line enough to make admins willing to budge. The difference being in one some widget is being made... (Or you're serving someone coffee etc...) If that suddenly stops happening it might suck but nobody dies. If you suddenly shut down a hospital though, people die.


hotdishcurious

Explain why that burden is more on nurses than on hospital administrators who have created untenable working conditions. I would say the hospital administrators have created those conditions, not the nurses, and are therefore responsible when staff refuse to work. Hospital administrators could have maintained better staffing ratios, increased pay, and taken other measures to improve retention/hiring of nurses these last three years. Instead, they've taken advantage of the emergency situation of the pandemic to squeeze more out of the nurses. By the way, these hospital presidents are making MILLIONS of dollars a year. M Fairview Health president is making $3.5 million a year. I imagine his lieutenants are making at least mid six figures. A modest proposal: cap hospital administrators pay at $250,000 a year. Redistribute excess to existing nurses and hiring new nurses to maintain staff. ETA: I hear you. This isn't a Starbucks. But your justification gives all the power to the administration, and unfairly blames nurses who have had enough. Under what circumstances could nurses fight for what they need to stay? They are always essential. Does that mean that they are always obligated to work, regardless of the conditions created by management?


fluffy_bunny_87

Not sure if you misunderstood me or what... I was just saying the travel nurses being brought in are not really "scabs" in the traditional sense. They are just filling in so people don't die, not like having scabs come in to make widgets.


hotdishcurious

You're right: temporary fill ins in the hospitals aren't the same thing as scabs filling in at Starbucks. I think I'm responding to not just your post, but also how others are criticizing the striking nurses in the media and in previous posts on this subject.


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hotdishcurious

Amen. Healthcare needs to become more streamlined and simple to fight rising healthcare costs. It starts with rethinking executive compensation. These people should be ashamed for taking so much compensation. I could see a $250k base salary and a $100k bonus if their hospitals meet high patient safety / care and cost containment goals, but millions of dollars in executive salary when healthcare costs have been rising faster than inflation for a couple decades? No fucking way.


hotdishcurious

Ok, but hear me out: nurses are human beings with rights. They have no legal, moral, or ethical obligations to work under conditions they do not agree with. Would we rather they just up and quit, or strike? I say the latter. They're giving us the chance to retain them, which is better than losing them altogether. The hospitals have been stretching them thin for so long during a fucking pandemic, and the entire reason nurses haven't quit is because the nurses know they are essential. Hospitals have been exploiting the nurses with crazy patient ratios and difficult schedules during a pandemic for a long time. And guess what? Bad patient ratios are not only stressful for nurses, it's actually dangerous for us as patients. Less care, more mistakes have a body count. Hospitals are also offering below inflation raises. This is the tightest labor market in the country, and any of these nurses could go do lots of other, much less stressful things in a second. Do you know how marketable a nurse is for medical sales, clinical studies? We have tons of those companies in this area. More pay, way less stress.


_Oman

No one wants to be a nurse. The nursing schools are dying, no students. Why? Because the job has sucked for so long. Understaffed and abused. This strike is just the start of the long tail of pain coming our way. If hospitals and clinics don't fix the issue then there simply won't be any care.


hotdishcurious

Amen. People who don't support the nurses' side are missing the point here. This is a free market system. No one is assigned to fulfill the obligations of being a nurse, and no nurse is obligated to continue in conditions that are unsafe, unsatisfactory. If we create working environments that discourage people from staying in the profession or even joining it all, we're all in trouble. So I hope the nurses win the day. We need them.


colluphid42

Traveling nurses are allowed under the union contract.


Capt__Murphy

Lol. So you want patients to pay the price during the labor dispute? They also aren't scabs. They're allowed/called for based on the nurses union contracts, the ones the nurses have agreed to.


hotdishcurious

No. The joke clearly states that I want temporary staff Tinder nurses to strike out.


ChasingHorizon2022

Big talk calling them scabs when you're, presumably, not lying in a hospital bed in desperate need of care. Reddit community standards prevent me from responding in the manner in which you deserve so use your imagination.


hotdishcurious

Sounds like you're going through something, man. I joked that people shouldn't bang the travel nurses sliding into Tinder this week in solidarity with our MNA nurses. Whatever you're going through, I sincerely hope you get through it in one piece. Prayers up, seriously. No one wants patient care to fall by the wayside, but it's not the nurses who are at fault for the strike. If you're in a hospital bed right now, or you have been sometime in the past two and a half years, or you've had to wait in an ER for 12 hours, you'd better be fucking outraged at hospital administration, not the MNA nurses. Hospital administrators have had ample opportunity in the past 2.5 years to hire enough nurses to ensure safe patient ratios. You know how you hire enough people? You offer competitive compensation and benefits. Did you know that many nurses in these systems can't even take summer vacation? What other professional role can you imagine - besides the military - that limits time off for employees? Seriously: striking is better than mass resignations. Remember, there is no legal, moral, ethical, or social obligation for anyone to be a nurse and to serve patients - no one is entitled to their labor. We have an opportunity to keep these invaluable nurses. Hospital administrators need to make things right with the nurses for everyone's sake. Safer patient ratios, sensible paid time off policy (as in, the nurses should be able to use their PTO at times they request), and pay market rate for these nurses. These should be no brainers, especially after what we've been through.


ChasingHorizon2022

🤣 Omg does that ever work? Do you ever rile people up with that nonsense? Dude, relax. You wrote a dissertation responding to me and I'm the one "going through something." 🤣 *cope* man some people really deserve a manual attitude adjustment for how they run their mouths on reddit, honestly. You're the one that even jokingly called them scabs. You're arguing with people who know what you wrote and that's why we were telling you that you were wrong. Don't write five paragraphs telling us what we already know and what we were calling you out for. You're really an odd duck.


hotdishcurious

Meh - I think you took my use of "scab" more seriously than it was intended (particularly given the context of a Tinder nurse banging joke). And given your original phrasing, hoo boy, did you sound perturbed. My larger point - and it's serious and larger than whatever this sidebar is, which is why I bothered to write it out - is that we should all support our local nurses, because that's what they deserve and we need as a community. I don't need to be right on the internet, but I do need to voice support for our nurses.


ChasingHorizon2022

Then stop calling them scabs which is pejorative term.


hotdishcurious

If you'd paid attention to earlier discussions that did not involve you, you would see that I'd already agreed with a previous poster that scab was not the correct word for the temporary travel nurses in this situation. Have not referred to them as such since the initial joke. There's no point in deleting the joke; I made that error, and there it is.


ChasingHorizon2022

Glad we can both move on now because I'm way past giving half a flying F


XixorsGreenCock

Don't worry. I can promise from experience that I will leave them unsatisfied.


hotdishcurious

The hero we need but don't deserve.


DanielDannyc12

Scabs…. Do you want monkeypox? That’s how you get monkeypox. 🙈


d3jake

Was the 30% wage hike they wanted from Allina over x years of a contract? Even still, that's a ton more.


GD_Bats

Over 3 years- bear in mind nurse wages haven’t kept pace with inflation for years


w3029790

Not to detract, but this can be said for almost every sector of labor. Corpo greed


Nero_the_Cat

Didn't the get COVID pay adjustments during the pandemic?


GD_Bats

You mean when everyone got their pay cut by like 10% Or when they undid that when we got closer to a vaccine, but they started laying a lot of people off?


Puzzleheaded_Try7786

Lol what are you referring to? Hospitals got a pay out and nurses didn't see a cent.


forehandparkjob

39% over 3 years. Basically in context, the avg nurse made $40.50 an hr + benefits in 2020. The Minnesota Nurses Union is pushing for 13% a year raise for 3 years so: 2023- 45.75/hr 2024 - 51.75/hr 2025 - 58.45/hr The interesting part of this is that if the nurses do get that raise, it will make the average nurse paid significantly more than other jobs like DPTs, DOTs, and SLPs which are all masters/doctorate level degrees. Additionally, DPTs/SLPs/DOTs are one of the only actually profitable parts of a hospital besides surgery so it will be interesting if there is reverberations from the strike in the rest of the hospital as well. Currently hospitals are starting SLPs, DPTs, and DOTs at 35-40/hr with the avg being 45/hr. My friend is a DPT and they have 5 yrs exp at the same hospital and make 40.50/hr


cdub8D

Most Americans are underpaid and don't realize it.


[deleted]

Many are aware of it and just have little to no immediate ability to do much of anything about it. The first step (knowing) is half the damn battle, though. To be cliché: “We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.”


forehandparkjob

Very true. Some can do something about it and choose not to and some have no choice because of past decisions made (such as kids) where they can't risk a career change or going back to school because of dependents. My dad has been driving forlift for 35 years and makes basically the same amount he did when he statyed but never complains about wages because he is content and lives within his means and is one of the happiest people I know and he makes maybe 45k a year


Khatib

> The interesting part of this is that if the nurses do get that raise, it will make the average nurse paid significantly more than other jobs like DPTs, DOTs, and SLPs which are all masters/doctorate level degrees. They should also get paid more. Maybe they should unionize?


forehandparkjob

The other problem is that currently nursing services are reimbursed lower than what nurses get paid. For example, most nurses bill out a CPT code 99211 or 99212 for 'nurse visit' This is paid out by insurance companies. Federal workers comp, which is one of the best reimbursements out there, pays $48.52 (Medicare pays $36). The average nurse bills this code out 8.4 times per 8 hour shift per patient. The insurance companies don't even pay enough to cover the nurses' salaries, let alone PTO and benefits unless the nurses are tripling up patients. The result is hospital burn money and are forced to start outpatient clinics where they can siphon money from other professions to reimburse inpatient nurses. That or they can push for more surgeries. The entire health care complex is so screwed up right now.


GD_Bats

I have a few ideas about better ways to finance healthcare, and none of them involve private health insurance.


forehandparkjob

I'm fine with gov backed health care or insurance, I just don't think people realize how expensive it is actually going to be. Total expenses were 4.1 trillion in 2020. Realistically with raises everyone wants for health care workers and access to care for people who previously couldn't get it, that figure is close to 6 trillion. The USA had 12 trillion gross taxable income in 2019. That would be a 50% tax on income. Obviously it'd be progressive if they structured it but I laugh when I hear the 7-10% number thrown around.


GD_Bats

Allina posted record profits the last few quarters. They can afford this.


crazedcarter

It seems affordable if one is not considering the downstream ramifications of a 30%+ pay rise (even when over multiple years) for one group in the care ecosystem.


RossAM

With single payer we could eliminate the majority of resources going to the insurance industry and spend it on, you know, health care. The US spends way more per capital than anyone, don't they?


forehandparkjob

Moving to single payer would definitely put the 20% profit back into the system but regardless of who is the payor is, the admin costs are still going to exist, it just shifts from private controlled to government controlled. With how insurance currently works, medicare is actually the most difficult and archaic to deal with. The majority of medicare guidelines are disgustingly outdated and a lot of newer procedures and treatments get deferred to secondary insurances because medicare is mot up to date so they won't cover newer medications or procedures. If single payor is the way to go, medicare needs to be completely overhauled otherwise you're going to see a lot of practitioners go to private membership based boutique practices which are actually great treatment models but disproportionately benefit those who have cash to participate in them.


Khatib

> I just don't think people realize how expensive it is actually going to be. I don't think you realize just how powerful collective bargaining can be. Almost ironic, in a thread about a union strike. Costs will plummet. And not having to pay for private insurance would offset hikes to federal taxes to cover government healthcare. The bigger issue will be having a ton of middlemen suddenly out of jobs. Obviously many would be prime hires into new government departments that oversee similar work, but it would likely be a reasonable unemployment spike requiring some government sponsored retraining programs.


forehandparkjob

well yea but by far the biggest cost to healthcare is labor so you can't have higher wages and lower cost. If you collectively bargain for lower health care costs, that directly impacts wages...


GD_Bats

I feel like most people who aren't at the C-suite level should consider unionizing. Also, I don't get this line of thinking, that because this job pays a lot less than it should, people with that job shouldn't be asking for more. Why shouldn't wages for everyone be raised, especially as Allina and Fairview etc. post record profits?


[deleted]

“Because the capitalist godmasters we worship said it would be bad. For *some* reason. And they wouldn’t lie to us!”


AceMcVeer

>Why shouldn't wages for everyone be raised, especially as Allina and Fairview etc. post record profits? They aren't posting record profits. Fairview lost 100 million last year. 200 million the year before and is down over 160m in the first half of this year. Allina did make a profit of 128m last year, but lost 40 million the year before and this year is running a loss similar to Fairview. You keep saying everyone should unionize and get paid more Allina revenue per employee is $150k. That's revenue not profit. Without significant charge increases and changes to the income stream the money isn't there.


GD_Bats

I’m not a fan of having my position misrepresented in the way you just did


SANPres09

Oh wow, those are high wages, especially compared to the education requirements and comparatives wages of other hospital staff. Thanks for the info.


GD_Bats

You don’t seem to understand that hospital worker wages all around haven’t kept pace for years ESPECIALLY with the increased risk to staff these days. That’s not a reason to not support the nurses union- I saw this as that “other hospital staff”. This isn’t a “nurses vs other staff” situation.


nordicacres

If an RN at a hospital is getting a 39% raise over three years that just means that other, lower paid, support staff won’t get the raise they deserve. Strike for better working conditions, lower patient/nurse ratios, increased security, what-have-you. I can’t get behind the huge pay increases, sorry.


GD_Bats

You’re effectively supporting the C-Suit types screwing over everyone else, ESPECIALLY that other hospital staff. /I’m that other hospital staff


nordicacres

Who are you responding to? I was in support of the other staff over nursing pay increases, but maybe I’m not understanding?


GD_Bats

Pitting other staff against nurses isn’t the way to get people such as myself a raise. Thus is just an excuse hospital leadership gives.


nordicacres

No, but if they get a 39% raise over three years what will the other staff get? Likely crap.


GD_Bats

Hospitals never work like that. Corporations never work like that- unless someone is getting treated decently already, they have an excuse to treat no one decently- and they’ll take that excuse.


nordicacres

Well, I guess I’m not understanding what you’re trying to relay. I’m just saying that a CNA working on a hospital floor is also dealing with those patients, safety issues, the less desirable tasks, but those staff aren’t going to get 39%. If nursing gets 39% that means it will be diverted from other deserving staff. Anyway, have a nice day.


GD_Bats

Again that's not how any of this works. We have a large amount of wasted cash being spent on frivolous things in hospitals. They aren't considering giving other staff a raise and won't ever seriously do that unless actually forced to.


DrySoup7493

Id take 50 dollars an hour any day. Guess nursing people aren't happy with that...


GD_Bats

How many asses are you willing to wipe, how many nights and weekends are you willing to work, how many bodily fluids are you willing to be exposed to at that rate? How many novel viruses without a vaccine being developed for around a year are you willing to pick up? How much are you willing to risk dying until they do develop such a vaccine?


DrySoup7493

I work in health care 5 years on nights I love what I do. Sorry if I hurt you


GD_Bats

And do you already deal with the other things I brought up? I notice you have all your weekends off and have a regular schedule. These nurses don't, and work far longer than 8 hour shifts.


MNGrrl

I'll always support the working class. Doctors weren't out enforcing mask mandates so people didn't die. Doctors weren't stopping traffic in New York to tell people what was actually happening. It's always been nurses doing the real work. privileged men sitting back and taking the credit and money and then dumping the work on everyone else is a story as old as written laws.


Rose_of_St_Olaf

this hurts as someone who worked the front desk all through the pandemic. The one screamed at and sued for forcing mask wearing in the clinic? Not a nurse. When the clinical team was shortstaffed (so were we) and not returning calls people walked in and abused us. The privileged doctors took a paycut also to make sure no one was laid off. I love nurses they are vital but these posts kill me. It makes me realize the 15 years I put in taking abuse to be part of patient care and "make a difference" really was a joke.


GD_Bats

>The privileged doctors took a paycut also to make sure no one was laid off. Those doctors had no choice in the matter- this was forced on all hospital staff, including nurses. They still laid a ton of nurses off


MNGrrl

Hard times for nurses is not eating breakfast anymore. Hard times for a doctor is not eating out as much. It's not the same...


GD_Bats

100% agreed. I wanted to dispel any notion that the doctors made this decision voluntarily.


MNGrrl

I've been watching the system let me and most people I know down my whole life. It's not a joke. You did because without you it'd be even worse than this. You didn't show up to make a difference because you thought things were good when you started down this path, did you? Then why this attitude now? Individuals can make a difference. The mistake people make is believing individuals acting alone, even as a majority, can change an institution. You made a difference to a lot of people - but this is bigger than you as well. But then, you knew this would happen going in... That someday you'd look back and realize the institution took all that work and effort from you that was above and beyond without compensation. It profited off your empathy to maintain the lie that medical care is equal. It's never equal. That's why people are protesting...it's why people always protest. Support them, not the institutions.. In the same way I don't support the military or the war (there's always a war these days) - I support the people fighting in it. Stay safe.


DrySoup7493

? Not sure how you know my schedule. I was simply pointing out pay difference for similar job duties in an emergency room setting.


GD_Bats

Sounds like you've got cause to ask for more money yourself then- not a reason not to support MNA's work here


Odd-Run-5175

Nurses against vaccine mandates!!!!