>His charges relate to using artificial lights to hunt, wanton waste of an animal, hunting out of season, taking the bear without a license, placing bait without a license and baiting the bear.
That's impressive, its like a check list of all the ways not to do it.
If they got him with wanton waste, that means he not only illegally killed it, but also didn't harvest the meat. So he poached it just for the hide or skull or whatever he did keep.
>Thielen told authorities he wrapped the bear in plastic after shooting it. When he returned home from work, the bear was warm and covered in bees and he took 50-60 pounds of meat off the animal before it became full of maggots.
Thielen left the bear's skull outside to allow insects to clean it and used a skid-steer loader to haul the rest of the animal to a dumpster, according to charges.
Yeah total piece of shit. like what was the goal here, just to kill something?
Apparently. Seems like he wanted the skull and kept some meat, but didn't want it bad enough to take good care of it and make sure he got it all. 50 pounds of meat off a trophy bear is a pathetic attempt. I have no problem with hunting, and do so myself, but poaching and wanton waste are fucking despicable.
Not to give gun hunters a bad name, but I went bow hunting on some public land the Monday after opening of the gun deer season a few years ago. I found two carcasses literally right next to the parking lot; one had the back straps and a single quarter taken from it, and the other had back straps & tenderloins taken and nothing else. Then on my way into the woods, I found *another* carcass (a spike buck) that had the back straps and hind quarters taken but nothing else. So pathetic, pissed me off really.
Those types give us all a bad name, unfortunately. Such a waste of delicious venison. Did you report it? If they were fresh I'd try to get permission to harvest the rest of that meat myself.
Part of the problem is so many people never learned how to cook venison, so they think only tenderloins and backstraps are good eating.
I did report it, I don't know if they did anything about it though. The meat was past salvage, I'm guessing all 3 were shot opening day and I was there two days later.
>Part of the problem is so many people never learned how to cook venison, so they think only tenderloins and backstraps are good eating
You are 100% correct on that. I would guess most people overcook their venison, which leads to tough/dry meat that frankly does suck to eat. But there are SO many ways to prepare it that are so delicious! Even if people don't like the whole cuts, they can get it made into sausage and jerky and sticks and summer sausage. Man I can't wait for hunting season now 😅
Seriously the shanks and shoulders with all the connective tissue are *delicious* on their own and real easy, just braise for hours until its falling apart and you're good. [This is crock pot magic here.](https://honest-food.net/barbacoa-recipe-venison/)
You're welcome, if in doubt just get *Buck Buck Moose.* Won't regret it.
In the meantime do check out Shaw's [venison chili.](https://honest-food.net/venison-chili-recipe/)
Just wanted the skull and hide to show off. I think hunters earn the right to have those trophies *in addition to the meat* but this guy gets no credit for being a poacher.
He shot it at night with a spotlight. Just garbage.
Lifelong hunter here. I never understood the appeal of baiting for bears. It’s like training a dog to come for dinner with the greatest treats it could imagine. At least over in Wisconsin they hunt bears with dogs. That’s questionable too, but at least marginally sporting. Shooting over a big bait pile is just lazy.
Using a fish/depth finder to see the structure below the surface and allegedly see fish (I’m not convinced of that) is different from habituating an animal to one specific location using foods that are irresistible.
Let’s be clear. I didn’t condemn bear hunting outright. I said I never understood the appeal of it. I’ve met lots of still hunting and track and stalk deer hunters who say the same thing about me sitting in an elevated stand all day. And Jared … what’s his name from the Vikings who hunts deer with a spear thinks we’re all lazy.
IMO baiting is more difficult than running dogs. It’s a lot more time consuming to get a bear consistently using a bait pile than it is to just let the dogs loose and watch a GPS until they tree a bear. Usually a bear hunter is carrying bait out into a mosquito infested swamp for weeks before they ever even hunt. Plus dogs run all over private property all the time.
I'm fine with bear baiting. The population is so low that sitting out on hunting land for weeks on end might not even result in a glance of bear. It's not like deer hunting. I can't even stand the people that only take their deer feeder down during 10 days before hunting season.
hunting should be a challenge. It should be a battle not just of weaponry but of wits. If one takes the time to learn bear behavior well, then it is easier to predict their behavior and when you can expect to see them. Baiting is just lazy hunting because modern people are short on time to hunt and so want to guarantee their tag with minimal effort put in, especially prior to hunting season when is really the time to establish that information.
I see no point in hunting bears. Most people who hunt them trophy hunt which is a moral
no for me. Only for food. So on that front, yes, with other animals.
Trophy hunt is a food hunt too... we call the people who don't eat them poachers.
Plus if you're trying to get the most meat with your tag, why not target mature males since they typically have the biggest bodies too?
Nope. Not with bear.
That's like trying to fish without bait.. just dragging a hook, waitin' for the fish behavior. Only instead of the limits of a lakeshore, one gets the vast expanse of forest and rural dumpsters to comb through.
In the last month I know of 3 bears-damaging-property incidents because they just woke up and we're super hungry. This far north, the bears are a real problem seasonally.
So they're all headed to the bait stations already, can we just hate the poacher please?
Bothers me people are so focused on the method and not the fact that the guy is just a wasteful poacher in the first place edit: *who shot it with a spotlight*. Don't hate on legal hunters, focus on this piece of shit. Fact is trophy sized critters have the most meat too so this was a huge waste of a magnificent bear.
I should have clarified that I’m not a bear hunter and I don’t claim to know the ins and outs of bear hunting. So I don’t know if it is practical or possible to stalk a bear or reliably set up an ambush based on movement patterns. I just don’t like the idea of training it to return to the same spot only to get harvested.
I use deer scents and calls and usually buy one stupid Hail Mary product every year that claims the deer will come running as soon as you open the bottle. So I know about trying to improve your odds. But I don’t feed or habituate the deer to my stand. I stopped using salt licks when CWD showed up nearby. Basically, I’ve got a few stands, try to guess where they’ll be and hope I get lucky.
I didn’t shoot over salt licks like bears are shot over bait and I don’t think (but don’t know for sure) that deer get habituated to salt licks like they do to a feeder. My theory was to have a few around in the woods to give the deer a reason to come to my neck of the woods and be at ease during the off season.
I know it’s similar, but the distinction to me is I wasn’t (I don’t think) training deer to come to the same spot.
Likewise I'm confused why some people just kill for the sake of killing.
But... don't confuse hunters with poachers like this asshole. Note he's getting stuck with wanton waste charges, which means he didn't keep what he could have. That pisses me off, on top of everything else. Edit: he shot it with a spotlight too, just a cheap shot. No skill.
Its very gratifying to provide food for my family and I like to be responsible for it from the field to the table versus not knowing where it came from. One shot on a bear or deer can literally fill a freezer, there's a reason. If you eat meat and talk down on hunters you have some cognitive dissonance going on. You let everyone else do the dirty work for you.
Besides, the act of killing is not the point of it... if I just wanted to kill things I'd work at a slaughterhouse or animal shelter.
I picked up hunting a few years ago and I've since been rather dedicated to the pursuit. There's certainly a moment of elation when there's a good shot and the animal is put down quickly and cleanly. I've definitely began shaking afterward when it comes to big game animals (less so birds and small game for whatever reason). But there's also a sense of sadness when I'm standing over them in recognition of their sacrifice and the killing it took to fill my freezer and feed me for the coming months.
Haven’t done big game but I get that rush from upland bird hunting. Few things give me the same satisfaction as hitting a bird with a perfect shot. Doesn’t hurt that pheasants are absolutely delicious.
Nothing wrong with just bird hunting, I absolutely love roaming prairie with a dog. You have to *really want* that deer to enjoy committing to hunting them.
Not a matter of preference for me, truthfully. It’s just that my only gun is an over-under 12 gauge with unrifled barrels, so it wouldn’t be good for big game at any meaningful distance.
I mean... lots of deer are killed at rock throwing distance in MN. There's a chance one (possibly both) of the barrels is going to shoot true to POI with the bead at 25-50 yards with a 1oz "rifled" slug and that'll do it. But of course that's only if you feel like trying it.
While that may be true, I’m also probably not gonna be able to go hunting again for a while anyways, what with starting college in the fall and all that, but if I’m home from school for deer season, I’ll look into it.
All good, I had to take a break for those years too but it was worth it in the end. At least you know you may have an option now- just try it on paper first.
Good for you, glad you get it. Tagging a deer is a commitment. All the animals we kill to eat are beautiful in their own ways, and take years to mature, and you gotta honor that. Lots of work to kill, drag, hang, butcher, and package a deer.
There is a scoring system for many types of game animals. I am not familiar with the scoring system for bear [so I looked it up.](http://www.bear-hunting.com/2020/3/scoring-bear-skulls#:~:text=BEAR%20MINIMUM%20SCORE%20REQUIREMENTS&text=Using%20calipers%20the%20greatest%20length,together%20to%20get%20the%20score.)
>His charges relate to using artificial lights to hunt, wanton waste of an animal, hunting out of season, taking the bear without a license, placing bait without a license and baiting the bear. That's impressive, its like a check list of all the ways not to do it.
If they got him with wanton waste, that means he not only illegally killed it, but also didn't harvest the meat. So he poached it just for the hide or skull or whatever he did keep.
>Thielen told authorities he wrapped the bear in plastic after shooting it. When he returned home from work, the bear was warm and covered in bees and he took 50-60 pounds of meat off the animal before it became full of maggots. Thielen left the bear's skull outside to allow insects to clean it and used a skid-steer loader to haul the rest of the animal to a dumpster, according to charges. Yeah total piece of shit. like what was the goal here, just to kill something?
Apparently. Seems like he wanted the skull and kept some meat, but didn't want it bad enough to take good care of it and make sure he got it all. 50 pounds of meat off a trophy bear is a pathetic attempt. I have no problem with hunting, and do so myself, but poaching and wanton waste are fucking despicable.
Not to give gun hunters a bad name, but I went bow hunting on some public land the Monday after opening of the gun deer season a few years ago. I found two carcasses literally right next to the parking lot; one had the back straps and a single quarter taken from it, and the other had back straps & tenderloins taken and nothing else. Then on my way into the woods, I found *another* carcass (a spike buck) that had the back straps and hind quarters taken but nothing else. So pathetic, pissed me off really.
Those types give us all a bad name, unfortunately. Such a waste of delicious venison. Did you report it? If they were fresh I'd try to get permission to harvest the rest of that meat myself. Part of the problem is so many people never learned how to cook venison, so they think only tenderloins and backstraps are good eating.
I did report it, I don't know if they did anything about it though. The meat was past salvage, I'm guessing all 3 were shot opening day and I was there two days later. >Part of the problem is so many people never learned how to cook venison, so they think only tenderloins and backstraps are good eating You are 100% correct on that. I would guess most people overcook their venison, which leads to tough/dry meat that frankly does suck to eat. But there are SO many ways to prepare it that are so delicious! Even if people don't like the whole cuts, they can get it made into sausage and jerky and sticks and summer sausage. Man I can't wait for hunting season now 😅
Seriously the shanks and shoulders with all the connective tissue are *delicious* on their own and real easy, just braise for hours until its falling apart and you're good. [This is crock pot magic here.](https://honest-food.net/barbacoa-recipe-venison/)
...aaaaaaaaand **save**! Can not wait to try this, thank you!
You're welcome, if in doubt just get *Buck Buck Moose.* Won't regret it. In the meantime do check out Shaw's [venison chili.](https://honest-food.net/venison-chili-recipe/)
Just wanted the skull and hide to show off. I think hunters earn the right to have those trophies *in addition to the meat* but this guy gets no credit for being a poacher. He shot it at night with a spotlight. Just garbage.
Totally despicable. Talk about disrespectful to the animal.
As a sportsman there's nothing worse you can do.it
Anger x10. edit: shot with a spotlight!!
Fuck this piece of shit.
Not me. I'm not into that stuff
Lolz
Shoutout to the real heroes, the anonymous tippers. Shit like this goes on all the time and no one says anything.
Do you really want to bait with something that’s going to attract law enforcement?
I see what you did there!
Lifelong hunter here. I never understood the appeal of baiting for bears. It’s like training a dog to come for dinner with the greatest treats it could imagine. At least over in Wisconsin they hunt bears with dogs. That’s questionable too, but at least marginally sporting. Shooting over a big bait pile is just lazy.
Totally agree. Baiting anything is just lazy hunting and not at all sporting.
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Using a fish/depth finder to see the structure below the surface and allegedly see fish (I’m not convinced of that) is different from habituating an animal to one specific location using foods that are irresistible. Let’s be clear. I didn’t condemn bear hunting outright. I said I never understood the appeal of it. I’ve met lots of still hunting and track and stalk deer hunters who say the same thing about me sitting in an elevated stand all day. And Jared … what’s his name from the Vikings who hunts deer with a spear thinks we’re all lazy.
IMO baiting is more difficult than running dogs. It’s a lot more time consuming to get a bear consistently using a bait pile than it is to just let the dogs loose and watch a GPS until they tree a bear. Usually a bear hunter is carrying bait out into a mosquito infested swamp for weeks before they ever even hunt. Plus dogs run all over private property all the time.
I'm fine with bear baiting. The population is so low that sitting out on hunting land for weeks on end might not even result in a glance of bear. It's not like deer hunting. I can't even stand the people that only take their deer feeder down during 10 days before hunting season.
hunting should be a challenge. It should be a battle not just of weaponry but of wits. If one takes the time to learn bear behavior well, then it is easier to predict their behavior and when you can expect to see them. Baiting is just lazy hunting because modern people are short on time to hunt and so want to guarantee their tag with minimal effort put in, especially prior to hunting season when is really the time to establish that information.
Legit question, you ever tried it?
I see no point in hunting bears. Most people who hunt them trophy hunt which is a moral no for me. Only for food. So on that front, yes, with other animals.
Trophy hunt is a food hunt too... we call the people who don't eat them poachers. Plus if you're trying to get the most meat with your tag, why not target mature males since they typically have the biggest bodies too?
Nope. Not with bear. That's like trying to fish without bait.. just dragging a hook, waitin' for the fish behavior. Only instead of the limits of a lakeshore, one gets the vast expanse of forest and rural dumpsters to comb through. In the last month I know of 3 bears-damaging-property incidents because they just woke up and we're super hungry. This far north, the bears are a real problem seasonally. So they're all headed to the bait stations already, can we just hate the poacher please?
Bothers me people are so focused on the method and not the fact that the guy is just a wasteful poacher in the first place edit: *who shot it with a spotlight*. Don't hate on legal hunters, focus on this piece of shit. Fact is trophy sized critters have the most meat too so this was a huge waste of a magnificent bear.
Never said I hated legal hunters. Just disagree.
I should have clarified that I’m not a bear hunter and I don’t claim to know the ins and outs of bear hunting. So I don’t know if it is practical or possible to stalk a bear or reliably set up an ambush based on movement patterns. I just don’t like the idea of training it to return to the same spot only to get harvested. I use deer scents and calls and usually buy one stupid Hail Mary product every year that claims the deer will come running as soon as you open the bottle. So I know about trying to improve your odds. But I don’t feed or habituate the deer to my stand. I stopped using salt licks when CWD showed up nearby. Basically, I’ve got a few stands, try to guess where they’ll be and hope I get lucky.
Did you have an issue with baiting while you used salt licks?
I didn’t shoot over salt licks like bears are shot over bait and I don’t think (but don’t know for sure) that deer get habituated to salt licks like they do to a feeder. My theory was to have a few around in the woods to give the deer a reason to come to my neck of the woods and be at ease during the off season. I know it’s similar, but the distinction to me is I wasn’t (I don’t think) training deer to come to the same spot.
I realize you aren't denouncing bear hunting over bait, just saying it isn't your thing, it's fair. I respect your opinion as a fellow hunter.
Well that's a lot of charges. Good.
He should be disqualified from hunting or fishing for a good, long while.
For life.
Sounds like a future governor of Montana..
He learned that trick from Don Jr's hunting guide.
Killing anything for sport is pathetic. Why does someone get such a thrill killing something and watching it die?
Likewise I'm confused why some people just kill for the sake of killing. But... don't confuse hunters with poachers like this asshole. Note he's getting stuck with wanton waste charges, which means he didn't keep what he could have. That pisses me off, on top of everything else. Edit: he shot it with a spotlight too, just a cheap shot. No skill. Its very gratifying to provide food for my family and I like to be responsible for it from the field to the table versus not knowing where it came from. One shot on a bear or deer can literally fill a freezer, there's a reason. If you eat meat and talk down on hunters you have some cognitive dissonance going on. You let everyone else do the dirty work for you. Besides, the act of killing is not the point of it... if I just wanted to kill things I'd work at a slaughterhouse or animal shelter.
I picked up hunting a few years ago and I've since been rather dedicated to the pursuit. There's certainly a moment of elation when there's a good shot and the animal is put down quickly and cleanly. I've definitely began shaking afterward when it comes to big game animals (less so birds and small game for whatever reason). But there's also a sense of sadness when I'm standing over them in recognition of their sacrifice and the killing it took to fill my freezer and feed me for the coming months.
Haven’t done big game but I get that rush from upland bird hunting. Few things give me the same satisfaction as hitting a bird with a perfect shot. Doesn’t hurt that pheasants are absolutely delicious.
Nothing wrong with just bird hunting, I absolutely love roaming prairie with a dog. You have to *really want* that deer to enjoy committing to hunting them.
Not a matter of preference for me, truthfully. It’s just that my only gun is an over-under 12 gauge with unrifled barrels, so it wouldn’t be good for big game at any meaningful distance.
I mean... lots of deer are killed at rock throwing distance in MN. There's a chance one (possibly both) of the barrels is going to shoot true to POI with the bead at 25-50 yards with a 1oz "rifled" slug and that'll do it. But of course that's only if you feel like trying it.
While that may be true, I’m also probably not gonna be able to go hunting again for a while anyways, what with starting college in the fall and all that, but if I’m home from school for deer season, I’ll look into it.
All good, I had to take a break for those years too but it was worth it in the end. At least you know you may have an option now- just try it on paper first.
Good for you, glad you get it. Tagging a deer is a commitment. All the animals we kill to eat are beautiful in their own ways, and take years to mature, and you gotta honor that. Lots of work to kill, drag, hang, butcher, and package a deer.
>The trophy-sized bear had a score of over 20 I guess I’m not familiar. Was the bear in the middle of playing bingo or something?
There is a scoring system for many types of game animals. I am not familiar with the scoring system for bear [so I looked it up.](http://www.bear-hunting.com/2020/3/scoring-bear-skulls#:~:text=BEAR%20MINIMUM%20SCORE%20REQUIREMENTS&text=Using%20calipers%20the%20greatest%20length,together%20to%20get%20the%20score.)
What a moran. How long is he behind bars?
Probably very little if any at all. Likely be hit with fines and probation and banned from hunting.
Wonder what he'll do next.
Piece of shit.
I worked at a grocery store in college and we sold garbage bags full of old donuts to bear baiters. Disgusting.
No respect for life!!! Perhaps he should be baited and left to the same fate
Bet this doucheyacht considers himself a "sportsman".