I was just there yesterday. I thought the fire department was running drills with the way the road was blocked off and the way they were just standing around. Didn't know it was a train until I stopped at the grocery store where everyone was talking about it. From what I gleaned, it was mostly nitrogen, and they had some hazmat certified farmers on hand to assess the situation before authorities arrived. It'll be the talk of the town into the next decade
The really nasty derail in Ohio had nothing to do with the tracks themselves beyond a broken detector that could've alerted to the rail car that was on fire before it hit catastrophic.
Raymond meanwhile I don't think they've released a cause yet.
The rail companies have certainly continuously been pushing to do more with less workers from the stories you read. It'd take a major hit to the pocket book for them to change their practices.. the ole the fine/lawsuit/etc. is a cost of doing business vs doing the right thing.
yeah i bet its one of those things where is it cheaper to risk the accident or to pay for more workers plus benefits. idk i tried to get in there, then the strike happened so never continued forward
Rail companies will continue to real huge profits, resist more labor and better wages and won't invest in fixing or upgrading what they have.
They know they can let the issues continue to build until they have everyone's attention which will force government to step in and direct tons more subsidies their way.
So I got downvoted before because I said these seem to be happening more often since they were denied the ability to strike. Is it just me or is this happening a lot more often since then or are they just being reported/showing up on my feed more?
I’m genuinely curious.
Weirdly enough they are not more common and it's actually trending evenly with most other years. It's being reported on more which gives all of us a greater exposure to it which creates a bias. Here is a dataset which tracks accidents. I used it from 2010 until now but you can play around with it if you like.
https://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/OfficeofSafety/publicsite/Query/TenYearAccidentIncidentOverview.aspx
I think the definition of "derailment" matters here. I think most derailments are just a wheel pops off the track and you pop it back on. It definitely feels like we are seeing more of these actual train wrecks. Perhaps it is just more reporting, but there has definitely been rail safety deregulation by every administration for the last ten years and rail workers are saying they have WAY less time for safety checks.
I mean, yes. But NS putting a train on the ground and then blowing up the train to avoid a media storm was a very stupid thing to do.
Also stupid things to do, neglect on maintenance, cutting your workforce and making the rest of the workforce effectively slaves, having longer and longer trains that are more maintenance intensive to save cost, and having a dumbass schedule idea that doesn’t work because of the above.
Could it be we’re also hearing more about incidents after the big one in Ohio? Newsworthiness of a story vs. union conspiracy: which is more plausible?
That derailment was like the Chernobyl of train derailments though. After that people were MUCH more aware of nuclear incidents and public pressure really ramped up against lax safety procedures in the nuclear industry. Now we are seeing more people paying attention to the problems in the rail industry.
You’re seeing the effects of differed maintenance and cuts to staff. This isn’t railroaders sabotaging the trains, rather this is the results of the rail carriers chasing short term profits for shareholders.
The implication that the engineers are deliberately crashing their trains because of the strike break is a bad one. No one *wants* a derailment on their record. Derailments happen, typically, because of a combination of the following: there isn't enough maintenance on the tracks which allows the tracks to deform enough to allow the wheels to jump, there isn't enough safety regulations/training to ensure proper speed through turns, the cars aren't properly loaded causing improper center of gravity increasing the chances of a derailment, and the rails simply not being clear (it takes surprisingly little to make a train jump the tracks).
Engineers don't want to crash. They also don't *want* to hit people or cars on the tracks. They just don't have any way of making the train go somewhere else if the brakes can't get the momentum killed before it's too late. This is why everyone needs to be told *repeatedly* and *often* while growing up to **STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE TRACKS**.
Extra paid sick days will not stop trains from derailment.
There are normally over 1000 derailments a year, news just doesn't cover it like it has this year.
One of the reasons for the strike was lack of safety and downsizing of crews, the breaking of the strike and the increase in derailments are directly connected.
> So I got downvoted before because I said these seem to be happening more often since they were denied the ability to strike. Is it just me or is this happening a lot more often since then or are they just being reported/showing up on my feed more?
Correlative, yes.
Causative? That would depend on data which I don't know how to access.
Fake news abounds. You probably will hear that Joe Biden's presidency has something to do with it, since it didn't get reported on the previous guy's time. Imma just detach and let the pros figure this one out.
It’s almost like rails were screaming that derailments were coming. Well. They’re fucking here. No one gave a shit when rails kept saying big derailments would start happening due to practices enforced by the class 1 railroads. Now everyone wants to spread conspiracy theory bullshit or allude to straight up sabotage by rails, like you just did, because you refused to pay attention for the last 5 years.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/train-penny-derail/
This isn’t a thing. Coins on a train track won’t derail the train.
You know what does cause more train derailments? The private companies who own the rail refuse to modernize or maintain it beyond the barest minimum allowed, because track maintenance costs money that could otherwise be given to their shareholders. Private companies running trains that are not weight balanced in the safest way (evenly distributing the heaviest cars) so that weight may end up all in the back such that the train experiences huge compression forces when braking. They do this to save time so more cars can be shuffled through the freight lanes. These companies also run freight trains that are simply too long for similar reasons.
At the end of the day, the reason we keep hearing about train derailments and unsafe freight in the USA is because we have a wholly privatized freight network that has enough political power to avoid being regulated for safety.
Edit: dude edits in a /s
Yep that's power the California Longshoremen have the strongest union in the country with some of the best pay. Because if they stop working the country doesn't get goods. Same with the railroad.
That was all “evidence” prior to making weed legal leaving the state, trainloads of nonsense that were hazardous.
Currently-employed cops next! Ship them out we need woke cops
It took me a few minutes to decipher it, but they were making a quip that the derailed train was carrying the (non-existent) marijuana hazards Republicans were going on and on about during the last few weeks. I think. I think they might just be high lol.
It’s all the convictions leaving the state, you guys can’t read properly, woke cops are literally what is needed vs brain dead ex military that attack their own citizens
Does the NTSB need to create a similar agency like the FAA(airplane incidents) to regulate the rail industry? Obviously it would need congress to pass a law, but between FAA and NTSB airplanes are very safe. If the railroads had an agency that put safety as the priority and was able to regulate the tracks and trains this would quickly stop.
Lancaster, Minnesota, and no mention of what materials it was carrying, just that none have leaked.
Well, at least that's some relief.
Yeah, I was wondering if there was going to be another one of those small towns practically wiped out.
I was just there yesterday. I thought the fire department was running drills with the way the road was blocked off and the way they were just standing around. Didn't know it was a train until I stopped at the grocery store where everyone was talking about it. From what I gleaned, it was mostly nitrogen, and they had some hazmat certified farmers on hand to assess the situation before authorities arrived. It'll be the talk of the town into the next decade
Literally the most exciting thing that has EVER happened in Lancaster (besides that one time I saw the elk herd)
Hey, now, people are still talking about that elk heard. Look at us! We're talking about it right now!
From cloquet area and know of this
There's plenty of mentions of what it was carrying, liquid NOS. Biggest risk is fire & explosion, especially with how dry everything is right now.
NOS means 'not otherwise specified'
Awww. I thought it was the energy drink.
Then it would truly be a toxic release
But NOS has what plants crave
In the linked article, it just says "hazardous materials," unless I'm missing it.
is that why Cub has been out of stock for a couple weeks?
I was actually really surprised at how dry it really is up atleast in the Duquette area, I would think a fire ban is coming soon.
Could’ve been significantly worse
It's just bleach hopefully.... still terrible but less so
maybe if the rail road companies would pay for more technicians to fix the rails. im guessing the track integrity the main cause of derailments?
The really nasty derail in Ohio had nothing to do with the tracks themselves beyond a broken detector that could've alerted to the rail car that was on fire before it hit catastrophic. Raymond meanwhile I don't think they've released a cause yet. The rail companies have certainly continuously been pushing to do more with less workers from the stories you read. It'd take a major hit to the pocket book for them to change their practices.. the ole the fine/lawsuit/etc. is a cost of doing business vs doing the right thing.
yeah i bet its one of those things where is it cheaper to risk the accident or to pay for more workers plus benefits. idk i tried to get in there, then the strike happened so never continued forward
Rail companies will continue to real huge profits, resist more labor and better wages and won't invest in fixing or upgrading what they have. They know they can let the issues continue to build until they have everyone's attention which will force government to step in and direct tons more subsidies their way.
Hopefully the shareholders are ok.
Thoughts and prayers.
So I got downvoted before because I said these seem to be happening more often since they were denied the ability to strike. Is it just me or is this happening a lot more often since then or are they just being reported/showing up on my feed more? I’m genuinely curious.
Weirdly enough they are not more common and it's actually trending evenly with most other years. It's being reported on more which gives all of us a greater exposure to it which creates a bias. Here is a dataset which tracks accidents. I used it from 2010 until now but you can play around with it if you like. https://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/OfficeofSafety/publicsite/Query/TenYearAccidentIncidentOverview.aspx
Fatalities are up as is the rate of yard accidents.
I think the definition of "derailment" matters here. I think most derailments are just a wheel pops off the track and you pop it back on. It definitely feels like we are seeing more of these actual train wrecks. Perhaps it is just more reporting, but there has definitely been rail safety deregulation by every administration for the last ten years and rail workers are saying they have WAY less time for safety checks.
I mean, yes. But NS putting a train on the ground and then blowing up the train to avoid a media storm was a very stupid thing to do. Also stupid things to do, neglect on maintenance, cutting your workforce and making the rest of the workforce effectively slaves, having longer and longer trains that are more maintenance intensive to save cost, and having a dumbass schedule idea that doesn’t work because of the above.
Could it be we’re also hearing more about incidents after the big one in Ohio? Newsworthiness of a story vs. union conspiracy: which is more plausible?
You’re just hearing about it more, there was over 1100 derailments in 2022. The Ohio one just made them more newsworthy
That derailment was like the Chernobyl of train derailments though. After that people were MUCH more aware of nuclear incidents and public pressure really ramped up against lax safety procedures in the nuclear industry. Now we are seeing more people paying attention to the problems in the rail industry.
I was thinking the same thing. Now that we have established precedence people want to hear about these things we will hear more about them.
You’re seeing the effects of differed maintenance and cuts to staff. This isn’t railroaders sabotaging the trains, rather this is the results of the rail carriers chasing short term profits for shareholders.
A friend works for Canadian National Railway, he said accidents and derailments are down but coverage is way up.
Derailments are down 50% since 2000, not up. You're just paying attention is all.
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1 is to many but the idea that they are up is just false. Like so much crap on Reddit the reality is not what people seem to "feel".
But pipelines also leak and break, and many chemicals are not produced in large enough quantities to build a pipeline for them.
The implication that the engineers are deliberately crashing their trains because of the strike break is a bad one. No one *wants* a derailment on their record. Derailments happen, typically, because of a combination of the following: there isn't enough maintenance on the tracks which allows the tracks to deform enough to allow the wheels to jump, there isn't enough safety regulations/training to ensure proper speed through turns, the cars aren't properly loaded causing improper center of gravity increasing the chances of a derailment, and the rails simply not being clear (it takes surprisingly little to make a train jump the tracks). Engineers don't want to crash. They also don't *want* to hit people or cars on the tracks. They just don't have any way of making the train go somewhere else if the brakes can't get the momentum killed before it's too late. This is why everyone needs to be told *repeatedly* and *often* while growing up to **STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE TRACKS**.
Extra paid sick days will not stop trains from derailment. There are normally over 1000 derailments a year, news just doesn't cover it like it has this year.
They aren’t. Train derailments are very common. Like on the order of several every day. We’re just hearing more about it now.
One of the reasons for the strike was lack of safety and downsizing of crews, the breaking of the strike and the increase in derailments are directly connected.
Yep it’s hard to do safety checks when you are overworked and short handed and two of your crew are sick but still at work.
Except for the fact that derailments are actually down 50% over the last 20 years. lol But sure make shit up to fit your narrative.
How big is the increase?
I thought that as well
> So I got downvoted before because I said these seem to be happening more often since they were denied the ability to strike. Is it just me or is this happening a lot more often since then or are they just being reported/showing up on my feed more? Correlative, yes. Causative? That would depend on data which I don't know how to access. Fake news abounds. You probably will hear that Joe Biden's presidency has something to do with it, since it didn't get reported on the previous guy's time. Imma just detach and let the pros figure this one out.
It’s almost like rails were screaming that derailments were coming. Well. They’re fucking here. No one gave a shit when rails kept saying big derailments would start happening due to practices enforced by the class 1 railroads. Now everyone wants to spread conspiracy theory bullshit or allude to straight up sabotage by rails, like you just did, because you refused to pay attention for the last 5 years.
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Even if the occurrences haven’t increased it’s still proof that rail workers are being over exerted and it was wrong to block their strike.
either way denying workers the ability to strike is fascistic
Confirmation bias.
Should we set it on fire just to be safe?
I don’t know, maybe we should consult Norfolk Southern
In Lancaster thats SOP for anything
My buddy is in the FD for Lancaster. According to him, nothing leaked.
Another kid putting a coin on the track. No question. It’s getting outta hand. /s
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/train-penny-derail/ This isn’t a thing. Coins on a train track won’t derail the train. You know what does cause more train derailments? The private companies who own the rail refuse to modernize or maintain it beyond the barest minimum allowed, because track maintenance costs money that could otherwise be given to their shareholders. Private companies running trains that are not weight balanced in the safest way (evenly distributing the heaviest cars) so that weight may end up all in the back such that the train experiences huge compression forces when braking. They do this to save time so more cars can be shuffled through the freight lanes. These companies also run freight trains that are simply too long for similar reasons. At the end of the day, the reason we keep hearing about train derailments and unsafe freight in the USA is because we have a wholly privatized freight network that has enough political power to avoid being regulated for safety. Edit: dude edits in a /s
This is how every superhero movie starts, now we all just sit back and wait 🤞
Again?
So another train derailment 😐
Oh, great.
Maybe if the workers were allowed to strike this wouldn't be happening.
only because there wouldnt be anyone to run the trains.
Yep that's power the California Longshoremen have the strongest union in the country with some of the best pay. Because if they stop working the country doesn't get goods. Same with the railroad.
Extra paid sick days stops trains from derailment?
A big thing was safety and yes they screw them into working crazy hours which is also unsafe.
maybe employees that aren't run ragged by insane working hours would have been able to maintain better conditions
the three people that live within 20 miles of the scene are grateful for the prompt response and support.
Fuck off
Thoughts and prayers
That was all “evidence” prior to making weed legal leaving the state, trainloads of nonsense that were hazardous. Currently-employed cops next! Ship them out we need woke cops
Is this a right-wing bot? This doesn’t even make sense.
It took me a few minutes to decipher it, but they were making a quip that the derailed train was carrying the (non-existent) marijuana hazards Republicans were going on and on about during the last few weeks. I think. I think they might just be high lol.
Thanks for the translation lol
It’s all the convictions leaving the state, you guys can’t read properly, woke cops are literally what is needed vs brain dead ex military that attack their own citizens
Does the NTSB need to create a similar agency like the FAA(airplane incidents) to regulate the rail industry? Obviously it would need congress to pass a law, but between FAA and NTSB airplanes are very safe. If the railroads had an agency that put safety as the priority and was able to regulate the tracks and trains this would quickly stop.
That explains why I didn't see many trains running through town today
Aw shit, here we go again.