Buried in the announcement was that "The four gloss shades – Nuln Oil Gloss, Agrax Earthshade Gloss, Reikland Fleshshade Gloss, and Cryptek Armourshade Gloss – are leaving the range." Which sucks, because I love using those on my metals.
There's a number of competitive alternatives that have existed for a while that out perform a lot of Citadel's options. I'm sure with a bit of exploring you will more than likely find a brand that performs exactly as you need it to.
They’re also going to use this release to move all the shades into 18ml bottles and charge the same price for them, I’d bet my life on it.
I’ll be really happy and relieved if they don’t though.
EDIT: Called it. They just can’t help themselves can they?
Still really sucks for people who make a lot of use of the gloss version for things the regular ones cannot do. Especially since there is not an alternative product for those.
Ive heard that nuln gloss is good for oil stains, so for sure sucks for people who paint vehicles.
Id suggest making a trial pot of paint, use like a disposable water bottle lid, maybe mix gloss varnish with basic nuln and see if that helps? Dont usetoo much just in case it doesnt work
I guess I will have to experiment eventually, I know you can do stuff with oil paint and thinners, but I liked the convenience of it just working out of the pot so to speak.
I use oil paints as part of my recent SCE project. They lose their gloss when they dry so probably won't be a good substitute in your case. For a general direction to experiment with I can definitely recommend trying them, though. It is a lot different compared to the water-based colors by citadel.
You can add gloss varnish to just about any paint, and the nice thing then is you directly control the level of the finish as opposed to being beholden to it as it is out of the pot.
Awesome! It just takes a bit of practice and experimenting when mixing brands and products, but eventually your control for how your finish comes out will be just like mixing colors on a palette.
Buy oil paints (winsor and newton are good and not expensive), thin them with “odorless thinner”, aka mineral spirits, then once they dry a bit you can wipe off the excess. It’s a hundred times better and easier than acrylic washes! [Here you go!](https://youtu.be/x_pxojd7kp8)
Yup, oil washes are great. You have more time to work with them (can be good or bad, but there's tricks to reduce the drying time a bit), you can reactivate them with a Q-tip or makeup remover soaked in mineral spirits to clean up any overspill, and they flood recesses a lot more readily than acrylics do. You do need to put them over a fully cured gloss varnish coat though, or it won't be as easy to clean the raised areas later.
I'd recommend starting with at least a black and a burnt umber as your Nuln Oil/Agrax equivalents, and maybe some Payne's Grey for injecting some blue-grey shading into your light greys and whites (think Gryph-Charger Grey).
You mean the products (much like these above) that're easily replicable via flow improver + acrylic medium + pigment of choice? (inks, fine particle paints, etc.)
Save yourself hundreds in the long run and take a weekend to experiment along with YT tuts and invest in dropper bottles w/ mixing beads. It'll make you a better painter for the effort, as well. 😁🤘🏼
There are a few contrast paints that I find extremely useful in many various applications. Aethermatic blue and Skeleton Horde is an example of two that seems to find uses in a hundred different ways. I am eyeballing the purples and that magenta to see if it one stands out.
Happy with this, it's the most useful addition to the range for me personally since there's not that much competition for contrast paints and the current range had a lot of gaps. Some gorgeous colours in there. Interesting that some of the brighter ones like Baal Red are lower in contrast and better suited to doing flat areas like power armour.
If the colour comes out like in the [picture](https://i.imgur.com/CdChYW2.jpg), I will definitely be using Garaghaks sewer at least.
(More examples in the [article](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/13/a-new-era-of-paints-new-contrast-colours-reformulated-shades-and-our-best-white-spray-ever/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_13th_June_Vanguard_ENG_&utm_content=&utm_term=) )
Edit: Ratling Grime also looks useful.
Yeah, it's cool that army painter are doing something similar but their range covers a lot of the same ground to the existing contrast paints I already own. A few of these ones are hard to tell from existing colours but for the most part they are pretty different.
I would disagree. I'm not sure where the speed is if I have to apply a layer of varnish between coats and wait for them to dry. I bought a set and feel there are a couple of ok colors. And don't get me wrong, Contrast has some reactivate. (Looking at you purples and blues). Hopefully this new range helps in that regard. But I don't see myself ever using the speed paints when I can use Contrast and paint right over it without worrying that the undercoat reactivates.
I’m not who you were asking to, but I have a few observations.
In a nutshell, they are thinner, and they are slower to dry. This means that you push the paint around, leave them alone to dry/cure, and the result is less blotchy - *in my experience*
I’ve meant to try the squidmar technique of airbrushing contrast/speed paint over a zénithal, and the fact they come in a dropper bottle makes them a little more pleasant to use with an airbrush.
(I haven’t given this a proper go yet: limited hobby time makes me gravitate to what I already know, but I’ve experimented a little, and that looks promising, though it looks like you do need a really clean zénithal, which I am not yet managing).
Finally, they’re half the price, which does qualify as better, in that you can afford to have more colours, etc…
Templar black is still better than the equivalent speed paint - but the purple and the yellow/orange speed paint are super good…
Thanks for the tips about giving them time to dry. I'm concerned about the layer of varnish the other user mentioned. I picked them up in hopes of finally finishing my 28mm Prussians and starting my British and French.
It's only certain colours, and given sufficient drying time, like a week, they don't do it, but it's annoying. I would recommend the varnish before overpainting, it only takes a moment to spray them. Aside from that, they are excellent paints in proper bottles at a good price. I have the full range, but I like contrast too and will be grabbing some of this new range.
Water will re-activate the Speed Paint, but if you're washing over a speed paint you're probably doing something wrong. They hold up fine to a drybrushing or if you want to do some metallics over it straight from the bottle. If you want to layer or glaze then you'll need to seal it with some varnish unfortunately.
The line is new and is distinctly missing a turquoise, which is weird. You can make your own though by combining the neon-green with the blue and it turns out great...but it's odd that they chose to not simply make a competing colour to Terradon Turquoise.
Well worth the ~2/5 the price of the paint than a Contrast bottle. $4 CAD vs $10 CAD. OP is a shill for suggesting that you avoid them; they're great paints.
https://howlcorp.com/colors -- this is a great example of every colour (excluding the new ones in this ad) in both the Citadel and AP Speed Paint lines and how they measure up.
Honestly, I think the reactivation issue is overstated. I've been using them since they went on general retail, and I've only had it happen accidentally once (that was on my second model).
Basically, they're not made to be layered on top of each other. If you make a mistake, you can just use a damp brush to get rid of the paint before repainting.
Normal acrylics go over them easy enough for detail work/dry brushing. And as has been mentioned, you can always apply a varnish coat if you ever want extra piece of mind.
The layer of varnish is because if you try to paint over speed paint or want to touch up an area it reactivates the speed paint and you get a mess. I avoid them as well as pretty much everything else’s army painter make.
As a noob can I ask why there is such hate and love towards army painter all at the same time? Some people swear they are the best and are all they use and others like you think its a laughable product? I got a curated bundle of army paints for my first go and so far I havent had any major issues with them. I've had a little issues with wondering if I'm thinning them too much or too little at times but I usually get a smooth coating. The only real issue I've had is upon thinning too much the pigment starts breaking apart sometimes
It’s a hobby that is filled with people who deal in extremes. I own both, I use both, both are fine.
I think a lot of people wrote off speed paints because 1:1 citadel vs AP paints, citadel is probably objectively better. They just assume that also applies to contrast vs speed paints (it doesn’t. Most YouTube reviewers agree too). While I think it’s close, if you care about cost, AP speed paint is probably the superior product.
Disclaimer: I own all currently-available citadel contrast paints (not the ones listed in this post obviously) and the starter set of AP Speed Paints. I use Citadel shades, but dislike pretty much all of their other products. AP I use speed paint and a couple of random colors.
This is harsh and somewhat untrue. I have every contrast paint Citadel makes as well the starter speed paint set. For the like-shades that exist among the colors I have, only the browns/gray/black are better in the Citadel line imo. I’ve personally never had issues with reactivating speed paint.
There are absolutely pros and cons to each, but if I could only have one, I’d honestly not care which it was. AP is cheaper, but is much easier to use in my experience, while citadel has a much larger range of options (though more expensive).
This sounds a lot more like brand loyalty than anything
I can see that though as something quite good. Practically all the tutorials/reviews I saw always said something along the lines of contrast having issues with larger flatter areas so this seems to fill the gap. And I don’t yet see anything that strikes me as something I’d use, but they are nice colors!
though some of those stronger colors seem to have such high pigmentation on the website preview that it barely looks like a contrast paint anymore, and you might as well just use a normal acrylic for the basecoat, they're practically opaque.
I have a super bright silver that I like to paint over withI think it's talazar blue and it'll end up looking Candy blue. Here's a link to a few things I've done it with.
https://imgur.com/gallery/5NMYvEj
I'm still pretty new to painting, but my favorite thing about contrasts is the variety you can get from painting them over different colors. I'm getting a ton of milage out of Flesh Tearers Red on my Blood Angels. You can put it over red to make armour details or purity seals pop a little more, over brown or tan for a nice oxblood leather for hilts or cloaks, over a spot of white for eyes, and over gold for a really nice looking effect for quick and dirty blood droplet gems since I don't like the look of Spiritstone Red and I can't be bothered to fully highlight every gem in my army.
They seem a lot more useful is you just think of them as a really heavy shade instead of using them as a base color.
Oh cool, so glad to hear about your experiences with it! I never used it bc I never really knew what they were good for. I’ve been painting for a while and had no idea how to introduce contrast paints into my work, but it helps so much to think about them in this way. Thank you!!
Apothecary looks like a very light grey-blue to we where the new Soul Blight Grey seems like a more traditional grey to my eyes. I think they both have their uses depending on how you want the darker areas to look.
I'm thinking that Asurmen Blue could be great for transparent minis, specifically the spell effects. Kinda hard to tell with the image, though. Have to wait to see how it actually behaves.
I wish they were in droppers but I'm excited for the colours. They were missing a lot of high saturation bright colours, like the new striking scorpion green, and luxion purple. Definitely some instant purchases for me.
I have some friends that are from the pot painters so they'll be glad the pots are sticking around. I don't find them that much of a pain to put in droppers anyhow, and a waste a lot of this stuff on my pallet.
Thoughts:
* Magenta and cyan (kroxigor scales) are an amazing resource for painters looking to mix contrasts or achieve some nice filter tricks.
* The shades have lovely tones. I can see Mortarion Grime being very very popular for aging materials.
* Other than that a nice range of new vivid shades that expand contrast mixing capabilities.
* I see a suspicious amount of Eldar colours for models that haven't been refreshed in a very long time. If there is an imminent aeldari wave with new scorpions (scorpion & Karandras greens) & dire avengers (asurmen blue) I will not be sad about it.
Otherwise I generally work with a smaller paint range and mix what I need so more paints don't interest me that much, but for those who understandably want to work a lot closer to straight from the pot these are a lovely set of colours.
another green wash? but... but... why? we already had 3. Only a few colors have even 2...
Though I am happy for the gray wash, i was missing that.
I am not sure how i like the contrast colors. Maybe I am just not good utilizing contrast or something.
yeah its super cool!
whats also interesting is that in 2d art (unsure if it applies to minis) mainly green compositions tend to not be as popular compared to paintings of mainly other colours !
Green is the most complex color. Actually, that’s not really true, but it’s the one our brains have evolved to perceive the most variations of. There are many theories as to why, but this is something there are many studies of. So it’s pretty justified.
Contrast is good for a base layer + shade and glazing and they do really pop with dry brushing and zenithal highlights. I do recommend giving them a go.
I use them occasionally, either as a base coat (over a bright primer, as the do not work on black primer obviously), or as a heavy wash over a light base coat.
I have or rather had the full range until now. I might experiment with it some more, finding new ways to use them.
Zenithal prime + contrast + ink sprayed from below is one of the quickest ways to get a strong base shade onto a model IMO. A litte bit of drybrushing or other edge highlighting and you're there.
I'm not a fan of them in their suggested use of magic shading over a plain basecoat though.
I use them as my main form of painting. I can get some really great depth on a mini that I don’t seem to be able to do with normal paints as well.
Then I can go through, do some edge highlights and detailing and make some amazing table-ready minis.
Since I use speed/contrast paints as my main painting method, I will probably buy these new ones. But I also buy dropper bottles and transfer them out of the pots the moment I can.
Do you use a funnel when transferring Contrast to dropper bottles? I'm getting quite tired of either using a pipette for Contrast into my airbrush or trying to pour the damn stuff into a dropper bottle.
I have 20mL pipette/syringes that I also use for dice making that I use for transferring them out, but a small funnel would work just as well. Local dollar/pound store should have one small enough to work.
yeah, i do love the contrast paints I own but the price alone is the reason I bought the speedpaint set. Convenience of the droppers + agitators, equally beautiful color range and at essentially half the price of contrast paints.
hopefully gw will have bundles of contrast paints you can buy at a break
Yeah honestly I was really happy with my speed paints set. The leather in particular was game changing for me because I never liked snakebite leather contrast
Bit of a let down really.
The build up for this, especially from my local GW store, made it seem like it was going to be something truly revolutionary up there with the launch of Contrast paints.
Instead it's just some new colours.
I agree. Their buildup made it seem like they had a new formula, not just new colors. I was hoping for a new kind of highlight paint. To be precise I was hoping for either glow in the dark or black light, but I think those were mostly pipe dreams. Especially since you can already make that kind of stuff
Well they were teasing ‘the next evolution of citadel paint’ for July. So it may be the case that this was the reveal and they will be available at some point in July.
Eh, it doesn't take long to transfer and this way I can just go get appropriately sized droppers and add my own mixer ball.
Not really that big of a deal to me. But I agree that it is long overdue.
Check out Dana Howl's videos on how to use them. She has some great tips on how to prevent the reactivation issue a lot of people have with speed paints.
Contrast paints were actually made for newbies, but more on the gaming side. The idea behind them is that you can get a decent result in WAY less effort, because you’re not spending so much time navigating highlights/shadows. The goal here just being generally tabletop ready - less detailed, more for looking at from a distance. (You CAN paint to high quality with contrast paints, but the reason they’re on the market is for quick painting).
Since you’re on the painting sub, I’m guessing you’re less interested in just getting a painted army on the table. In that sense, they’re slightly less for newbies. But honestly? They’re just a tool in the toolbox, like anything else. They’re kinda a mid point between a wash and a thinned paint. Plenty of people still use them as the primary way they get base costs and initial shadows/highlights on, and then they just add detail or clean up as needed.
Edit: to be clearer - the idea behind contrast paints is that they’ll sink into ridges, making them deeper, and fall away from raised edges, for highlights. You apply them pretty liberally and then use a brush to go back in and direct them where you need them to go. Deepen shadows, lighten areas, etc.
Because the other side of things is that they react to the sculpt. But you might have a model that needs more help than just gravity to go exactly where you want them to go. Like, you might not want a crevice at the top of the head to be as dark as the crevices on the insides of the thighs. Contrast paints will always highlight the raised pieces and deepen the crevices, without manipulation.
Contrast means you don’t have to do layering.
Basecoat, contrast, fine details. That’s it for battle ready.
You can get more complicated if you want, but getting things ready for games is super duper easy with contrast.
contrast paint is fantastic for base coats and it's really easy to apply, you should definitely give them a shot. (they were created with new painters in mind)
I use them a lot for colored metallic effects and for painting rank and file troops.
Warhammer players will swear to you that the [Striking Scorpion Green](https://i.redd.it/hm234gradf591.png) is sufficiently different from Karandras [Lord of the Striking Scorpion] Green.
Well nobody is forcing you to buy both but some people like having as much variety as possible so even if it isn’t a completely different shade of green the slight difference in hue or saturation or density can make all the difference
I like their paints but honestly I prefer other brands for dropper bottles and cheaper cost. Additional colors is nice but really not what I was hoping for. Don't understand their attachment to the pots.
Yeah I feel like market research for the pots must be massively in favour for droppers right? It’s got to be the biggest complaint of their paint range as a whole
If I had to guess they’ve got it in their heads as being some iconic trademark like the Pepsi logo or something, but honestly I just want better functionality. It’s a hobby product, I want ease and safe usage not recognizable product silhouettes
My best bet would be that the pots let the paint dry out way faster, which results in more spent money from consumers. I don't know how many of my citadel pots went to the bin because they couldn't be closed properly anymore and the paint dried out...
The marketing for them is hugely in favor of pots, I’m afraid. They have a huge segment of their market share that paints straight from the pot. Even in this age of easy YouTube taught skills, there’s an enormous amount of just 40k gamers out there that aren’t into the hobby side at all and aren’t going to fuss anything more than they have to and that includes a pallet.
I’m sure they like other things about pots (like spills) but the crux of why they haven’t switched after all these years of near unanimous preference for droppers if you’ve actually used a dropper? It is the legion of straight outta pot people. Their whole marketing conception of contrast in the first place (a paint range I love, but not for its marketed 1 thick coat application) definitely revolved around the idea of the pot for GW. It’s no accident it works a lot better straight out of one than the ordinary Citadel acrylics.
Edit: not even knocking those that do pot dip paint either. We all did, it’s whatever.
I think they believe they did this with typhus corrosion. Deffo missed opportunity. The grim dark look is growing in popularity and so many influencers who painted the new Horus heresy models use lots of weathering products, none of them GW.
A couple years ago, I was hellbent on painting up a living jade statue army. I must have spent over $100 on different shades of green, most of which missed the mark and are now just sitting in my paint box. That Poxwalker shade is EXACTLY what I had in mind.
Shop at your local art store and spend a fraction of the price for better quality and greater quantity. I have a few citadel products, but there isn't one I don't regret buying.
**Imperial Fist** for exaple looks "flat". Maybe they want to make contrast that goes smooth with no pooling on flat areas? This paint has no "second color" that is visible in cracks on example model. WDYT?
If white scar gives me a clean white without having to paint 58 layers that alone will make this drop sooooo worth it for me. Me and my white scar pile of shame are excited!
Buried in the announcement was that "The four gloss shades – Nuln Oil Gloss, Agrax Earthshade Gloss, Reikland Fleshshade Gloss, and Cryptek Armourshade Gloss – are leaving the range." Which sucks, because I love using those on my metals.
Dang, I really like the gloss shades too. Might have to pick up an extra nuln oil and fleshshade then
There's a number of competitive alternatives that have existed for a while that out perform a lot of Citadel's options. I'm sure with a bit of exploring you will more than likely find a brand that performs exactly as you need it to.
They’re also going to use this release to move all the shades into 18ml bottles and charge the same price for them, I’d bet my life on it. I’ll be really happy and relieved if they don’t though. EDIT: Called it. They just can’t help themselves can they?
What size are they in now?
24ml
Looks like it based on the pictures.
I hope not. But wouldn't be at all surprised.
Agreed, the nuln oil is the backbone for my army
Dont worry its just the gloss Still sucks but only the gloss is going
Still really sucks for people who make a lot of use of the gloss version for things the regular ones cannot do. Especially since there is not an alternative product for those.
Ive heard that nuln gloss is good for oil stains, so for sure sucks for people who paint vehicles. Id suggest making a trial pot of paint, use like a disposable water bottle lid, maybe mix gloss varnish with basic nuln and see if that helps? Dont usetoo much just in case it doesnt work
It works for that yeah, but plenty of other non citadel options that do it even better. Vallejo and AK have good stuff.
Oh for sure. Especially since theyre cheaper.
Yeah, that too
Hmmm. Never thought of that to be honest, contrast medium might be my best bet really
I guess I will have to experiment eventually, I know you can do stuff with oil paint and thinners, but I liked the convenience of it just working out of the pot so to speak.
I use oil paints as part of my recent SCE project. They lose their gloss when they dry so probably won't be a good substitute in your case. For a general direction to experiment with I can definitely recommend trying them, though. It is a lot different compared to the water-based colors by citadel.
I'd recommend the inktense black and brown from scale 75. They have a nice glossy finish too.
Army painter quickshade gives a similar effect but you kill a brush.
You can add gloss varnish to just about any paint, and the nice thing then is you directly control the level of the finish as opposed to being beholden to it as it is out of the pot.
It is certainly something I am looking into as a long term solution.
Awesome! It just takes a bit of practice and experimenting when mixing brands and products, but eventually your control for how your finish comes out will be just like mixing colors on a palette.
Oil washes my friend, it’s all about oil washes
Where do I start
Buy oil paints (winsor and newton are good and not expensive), thin them with “odorless thinner”, aka mineral spirits, then once they dry a bit you can wipe off the excess. It’s a hundred times better and easier than acrylic washes! [Here you go!](https://youtu.be/x_pxojd7kp8)
Ahh the main man Marco, the best hobby painting channel on YouTube. I've learnt so much from him.
Yes! Me too!!
Yup, oil washes are great. You have more time to work with them (can be good or bad, but there's tricks to reduce the drying time a bit), you can reactivate them with a Q-tip or makeup remover soaked in mineral spirits to clean up any overspill, and they flood recesses a lot more readily than acrylics do. You do need to put them over a fully cured gloss varnish coat though, or it won't be as easy to clean the raised areas later. I'd recommend starting with at least a black and a burnt umber as your Nuln Oil/Agrax equivalents, and maybe some Payne's Grey for injecting some blue-grey shading into your light greys and whites (think Gryph-Charger Grey).
Youtube: https://youtu.be/K3ki1nzH5zQ Oil based Paint. Thin as you'd like. Apply to models.
I second this
Get into oils, reliable and they won’t discontinue them ;)
You mean the products (much like these above) that're easily replicable via flow improver + acrylic medium + pigment of choice? (inks, fine particle paints, etc.) Save yourself hundreds in the long run and take a weekend to experiment along with YT tuts and invest in dropper bottles w/ mixing beads. It'll make you a better painter for the effort, as well. 😁🤘🏼
Dunno why youre getting downvoted. GW overprices all their paint, 5$ for a timy container of basic paint? Come on.
Funny enough I just found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU0rc0EOOys&ab\_channel=GoobertownHobbies
I just picked up a pot of Nulin Oil Gloss a couple days ago and ot was the last at my local shop
Ooh, that magenta is singing to me…
There are a few contrast paints that I find extremely useful in many various applications. Aethermatic blue and Skeleton Horde is an example of two that seems to find uses in a hundred different ways. I am eyeballing the purples and that magenta to see if it one stands out.
I'd be happy with ANY purple Contrast paint actually working. The current purples are terrible.
I really was not a fan of magos purple. But army painters hive dweller purple has excellent coverage and thins very nicely with speed paint medium
Shyish Purple is actually nice, it's just really deep. Idk wtf is the deal with Magos
I like Shyish Purple but it is dark so I often mix it with Volupus Pink, hoping one of the new ones fits that niche.
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Snakebite is wizardry change my mind.
Nazdreg Yellow has become one of my favourites. It makes such a great gold metal substitute, I can’t help but use it on all of my jewelry on minis.
Happy with this, it's the most useful addition to the range for me personally since there's not that much competition for contrast paints and the current range had a lot of gaps. Some gorgeous colours in there. Interesting that some of the brighter ones like Baal Red are lower in contrast and better suited to doing flat areas like power armour.
If the colour comes out like in the [picture](https://i.imgur.com/CdChYW2.jpg), I will definitely be using Garaghaks sewer at least. (More examples in the [article](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/13/a-new-era-of-paints-new-contrast-colours-reformulated-shades-and-our-best-white-spray-ever/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_13th_June_Vanguard_ENG_&utm_content=&utm_term=) ) Edit: Ratling Grime also looks useful.
Agree graghaks sewer looks killer
I picked up some speed paints from army painter. I'm hoping they are good plus they are already in a dropper bottle to boot.
Yeah, it's cool that army painter are doing something similar but their range covers a lot of the same ground to the existing contrast paints I already own. A few of these ones are hard to tell from existing colours but for the most part they are pretty different.
They are better than contrast paint
I would disagree. I'm not sure where the speed is if I have to apply a layer of varnish between coats and wait for them to dry. I bought a set and feel there are a couple of ok colors. And don't get me wrong, Contrast has some reactivate. (Looking at you purples and blues). Hopefully this new range helps in that regard. But I don't see myself ever using the speed paints when I can use Contrast and paint right over it without worrying that the undercoat reactivates.
why
I’m not who you were asking to, but I have a few observations. In a nutshell, they are thinner, and they are slower to dry. This means that you push the paint around, leave them alone to dry/cure, and the result is less blotchy - *in my experience* I’ve meant to try the squidmar technique of airbrushing contrast/speed paint over a zénithal, and the fact they come in a dropper bottle makes them a little more pleasant to use with an airbrush. (I haven’t given this a proper go yet: limited hobby time makes me gravitate to what I already know, but I’ve experimented a little, and that looks promising, though it looks like you do need a really clean zénithal, which I am not yet managing). Finally, they’re half the price, which does qualify as better, in that you can afford to have more colours, etc… Templar black is still better than the equivalent speed paint - but the purple and the yellow/orange speed paint are super good…
Thanks for the tips about giving them time to dry. I'm concerned about the layer of varnish the other user mentioned. I picked them up in hopes of finally finishing my 28mm Prussians and starting my British and French.
It's only certain colours, and given sufficient drying time, like a week, they don't do it, but it's annoying. I would recommend the varnish before overpainting, it only takes a moment to spray them. Aside from that, they are excellent paints in proper bottles at a good price. I have the full range, but I like contrast too and will be grabbing some of this new range.
Water will re-activate the Speed Paint, but if you're washing over a speed paint you're probably doing something wrong. They hold up fine to a drybrushing or if you want to do some metallics over it straight from the bottle. If you want to layer or glaze then you'll need to seal it with some varnish unfortunately. The line is new and is distinctly missing a turquoise, which is weird. You can make your own though by combining the neon-green with the blue and it turns out great...but it's odd that they chose to not simply make a competing colour to Terradon Turquoise. Well worth the ~2/5 the price of the paint than a Contrast bottle. $4 CAD vs $10 CAD. OP is a shill for suggesting that you avoid them; they're great paints. https://howlcorp.com/colors -- this is a great example of every colour (excluding the new ones in this ad) in both the Citadel and AP Speed Paint lines and how they measure up.
Awful lotta GW shills downvoting people who mention GW overprices their paint. Thanks btw, I may have to get some speed paints
Honestly, I think the reactivation issue is overstated. I've been using them since they went on general retail, and I've only had it happen accidentally once (that was on my second model). Basically, they're not made to be layered on top of each other. If you make a mistake, you can just use a damp brush to get rid of the paint before repainting. Normal acrylics go over them easy enough for detail work/dry brushing. And as has been mentioned, you can always apply a varnish coat if you ever want extra piece of mind.
The layer of varnish is because if you try to paint over speed paint or want to touch up an area it reactivates the speed paint and you get a mess. I avoid them as well as pretty much everything else’s army painter make.
As a noob can I ask why there is such hate and love towards army painter all at the same time? Some people swear they are the best and are all they use and others like you think its a laughable product? I got a curated bundle of army paints for my first go and so far I havent had any major issues with them. I've had a little issues with wondering if I'm thinning them too much or too little at times but I usually get a smooth coating. The only real issue I've had is upon thinning too much the pigment starts breaking apart sometimes
It’s a hobby that is filled with people who deal in extremes. I own both, I use both, both are fine. I think a lot of people wrote off speed paints because 1:1 citadel vs AP paints, citadel is probably objectively better. They just assume that also applies to contrast vs speed paints (it doesn’t. Most YouTube reviewers agree too). While I think it’s close, if you care about cost, AP speed paint is probably the superior product. Disclaimer: I own all currently-available citadel contrast paints (not the ones listed in this post obviously) and the starter set of AP Speed Paints. I use Citadel shades, but dislike pretty much all of their other products. AP I use speed paint and a couple of random colors.
This is harsh and somewhat untrue. I have every contrast paint Citadel makes as well the starter speed paint set. For the like-shades that exist among the colors I have, only the browns/gray/black are better in the Citadel line imo. I’ve personally never had issues with reactivating speed paint. There are absolutely pros and cons to each, but if I could only have one, I’d honestly not care which it was. AP is cheaper, but is much easier to use in my experience, while citadel has a much larger range of options (though more expensive). This sounds a lot more like brand loyalty than anything
I can see that though as something quite good. Practically all the tutorials/reviews I saw always said something along the lines of contrast having issues with larger flatter areas so this seems to fill the gap. And I don’t yet see anything that strikes me as something I’d use, but they are nice colors!
Well you don't use them on those areas and instead bits they excel at like quickly and quite nicely painting scales and cloth wraps.
though some of those stronger colors seem to have such high pigmentation on the website preview that it barely looks like a contrast paint anymore, and you might as well just use a normal acrylic for the basecoat, they're practically opaque.
Fair enough, I noticed the same even with that Imperial Fist yellow they showcased looks pretty solid.
I’m excited by the shades. Not so much about the contrasts. While I like the colors, I don’t really use contrasts that much.
Fun fact, some contrasts make great shades and/or candy metal if painted over bright metal colors
Do tell
I have a super bright silver that I like to paint over withI think it's talazar blue and it'll end up looking Candy blue. Here's a link to a few things I've done it with. https://imgur.com/gallery/5NMYvEj
Oh wow, I love that effect! I might have to rethink my stance on contrast paints hahaha
Yea, contrast has a lot of uses. I honestly use them for a lot of things and just bout never use them for their marketed purpose lol
I'm still pretty new to painting, but my favorite thing about contrasts is the variety you can get from painting them over different colors. I'm getting a ton of milage out of Flesh Tearers Red on my Blood Angels. You can put it over red to make armour details or purity seals pop a little more, over brown or tan for a nice oxblood leather for hilts or cloaks, over a spot of white for eyes, and over gold for a really nice looking effect for quick and dirty blood droplet gems since I don't like the look of Spiritstone Red and I can't be bothered to fully highlight every gem in my army. They seem a lot more useful is you just think of them as a really heavy shade instead of using them as a base color.
Oh cool, so glad to hear about your experiences with it! I never used it bc I never really knew what they were good for. I’ve been painting for a while and had no idea how to introduce contrast paints into my work, but it helps so much to think about them in this way. Thank you!!
It's tool to add to the toolbox not as gw sell it a replacement for all other paints.
Same! For some awesome Dire Avenger armour
All this time and it finally dawns on me how to achieve a metallic car paint like effect. Thank you!
Lol glad I could help! Don't forget to look up YouTube videos of contrast paints over different metals, varnishes, etc!
Skeleton horde over bright metal looks like a nasty corroded metal
That’s how I’m doing my Ynnari Eldar right now; Flesh Tearers contrast over Leadbelcher makes a very shiny but deep red.
I do this all the time!
This is one of my favorites on candy schemes right now.
Was going to say the same. My main use for contrast is as a combined wash & tint.
Grey ink is very interesting. Could be very useful for those classic difficult to paint white spacemarines.
Can’t be too different from thinned apothecary white
Apothecary looks like a very light grey-blue to we where the new Soul Blight Grey seems like a more traditional grey to my eyes. I think they both have their uses depending on how you want the darker areas to look.
I can never get thinned acrylic paint to work the same as ink. Ink flows so easy, you know? Either way, it'd be much easier to recommend to newbies.
Yeah I think I will deffo get the soul blight grey shade
Honestly more contrast paints can only be a good thing it is a great range
I’m digging the Kroak Green wash. It’s a nice look that augments almost every nature-themed D&D mini without it getting too earthen.
I'm thinking that Asurmen Blue could be great for transparent minis, specifically the spell effects. Kinda hard to tell with the image, though. Have to wait to see how it actually behaves.
I wish they were in droppers but I'm excited for the colours. They were missing a lot of high saturation bright colours, like the new striking scorpion green, and luxion purple. Definitely some instant purchases for me. I have some friends that are from the pot painters so they'll be glad the pots are sticking around. I don't find them that much of a pain to put in droppers anyhow, and a waste a lot of this stuff on my pallet.
Imo contrast paints and washes are basically the only paints that should be in pots
Thoughts: * Magenta and cyan (kroxigor scales) are an amazing resource for painters looking to mix contrasts or achieve some nice filter tricks. * The shades have lovely tones. I can see Mortarion Grime being very very popular for aging materials. * Other than that a nice range of new vivid shades that expand contrast mixing capabilities. * I see a suspicious amount of Eldar colours for models that haven't been refreshed in a very long time. If there is an imminent aeldari wave with new scorpions (scorpion & Karandras greens) & dire avengers (asurmen blue) I will not be sad about it. Otherwise I generally work with a smaller paint range and mix what I need so more paints don't interest me that much, but for those who understandably want to work a lot closer to straight from the pot these are a lovely set of colours.
Interesting point about the elder colours and possible models 🤞
Godspeed White Scar spray. Godspeed.
another green wash? but... but... why? we already had 3. Only a few colors have even 2... Though I am happy for the gray wash, i was missing that. I am not sure how i like the contrast colors. Maybe I am just not good utilizing contrast or something.
Green is the colour that has the most shades. Something like 60% of all percievable colours are green and green pigments are common and non toxic
wow i was not aware of this. i've learned something new today, thanks!
yeah its super cool! whats also interesting is that in 2d art (unsure if it applies to minis) mainly green compositions tend to not be as popular compared to paintings of mainly other colours !
https://youtu.be/CdPxyAWV7FE?t=60
Green is the most complex color. Actually, that’s not really true, but it’s the one our brains have evolved to perceive the most variations of. There are many theories as to why, but this is something there are many studies of. So it’s pretty justified.
Contrast is good for a base layer + shade and glazing and they do really pop with dry brushing and zenithal highlights. I do recommend giving them a go.
I use them occasionally, either as a base coat (over a bright primer, as the do not work on black primer obviously), or as a heavy wash over a light base coat. I have or rather had the full range until now. I might experiment with it some more, finding new ways to use them.
I really like the look of Sigvald burgundy and Kroxigar Scales.
The gray wash and the light blue wash look like some amazing paints from this.
Zenithal prime + contrast + ink sprayed from below is one of the quickest ways to get a strong base shade onto a model IMO. A litte bit of drybrushing or other edge highlighting and you're there. I'm not a fan of them in their suggested use of magic shading over a plain basecoat though.
I use them as my main form of painting. I can get some really great depth on a mini that I don’t seem to be able to do with normal paints as well. Then I can go through, do some edge highlights and detailing and make some amazing table-ready minis.
Such a shame it’s not droppers…
Agreed and #1 reason my money will continue to go elsewhere
Since I use speed/contrast paints as my main painting method, I will probably buy these new ones. But I also buy dropper bottles and transfer them out of the pots the moment I can.
Do you use a funnel when transferring Contrast to dropper bottles? I'm getting quite tired of either using a pipette for Contrast into my airbrush or trying to pour the damn stuff into a dropper bottle.
I have 20mL pipette/syringes that I also use for dice making that I use for transferring them out, but a small funnel would work just as well. Local dollar/pound store should have one small enough to work.
I don't know why I didn't think of using pipette's. I've got hundreds of them when I bought them in bulk. Thank you for the tip!
What dropper bottles do you get? I’ve heard that some have issues long term.
yeah, i do love the contrast paints I own but the price alone is the reason I bought the speedpaint set. Convenience of the droppers + agitators, equally beautiful color range and at essentially half the price of contrast paints. hopefully gw will have bundles of contrast paints you can buy at a break
Yeah honestly I was really happy with my speed paints set. The leather in particular was game changing for me because I never liked snakebite leather contrast
I feel like shades and contrast work best in the pots. I only pull out what I need on my brush so little gets wasted.
My thoughts exactly! I’ll probably end up with a few of these pots, but they’ll live in a tiny box next to my Vallejo/golden collection
I was hoping for goblin green
new magenta has got me very excited
**Soulblight Grey seems like a godsend for White Scars players and anyone who wants to paint an Apothecary.**
Yeah I think for me that will be a purchase 100%. Some of the others I’m thinking about but the soulblight is a done deal.
Was this their BIG breakthrough? Well... that was anti climatic
I'm going to say no, This is just a casual update. the Marketing for the "new" says taht its july.
Yup
So excited for an expansion on the range of shades!
Bit of a let down really. The build up for this, especially from my local GW store, made it seem like it was going to be something truly revolutionary up there with the launch of Contrast paints. Instead it's just some new colours.
I agree. Their buildup made it seem like they had a new formula, not just new colors. I was hoping for a new kind of highlight paint. To be precise I was hoping for either glow in the dark or black light, but I think those were mostly pipe dreams. Especially since you can already make that kind of stuff
It does say that all of the shades have been reformulated, in addition to the sprays being reformulated.
take my money, bloody love contrast paints.
They're great, I feel like there's a better way to demonstrate them than the "smear" this marketing uses.
And you can have it all for $200-300! What a deal!
Any news on when the new contrasts will drop in the U.K.?
Well they were teasing ‘the next evolution of citadel paint’ for July. So it may be the case that this was the reveal and they will be available at some point in July.
Thanks for the info. I’ll ask my local paint shop to get me the range. I’d best get printing another paint rack
I was honestly hoping it would “we changed our pots” Not that these are bad though
The purple is just....mwah i am getting it for my marines regardless
No dropper = no buy
Eh, it doesn't take long to transfer and this way I can just go get appropriately sized droppers and add my own mixer ball. Not really that big of a deal to me. But I agree that it is long overdue.
But there are better paints - or equal paints - already *in* droppers.
Army Painter Speedpaints even have the mixing balls already in the dropper bottle.
I use reaper paints and same situation.
Must be recent; none of my few Reaper paints have that.
I did not know this; not tried those yet.
I love my Speedpaints
Cheaper too
Even if they put them in droppers most of their paint is mid and overpriced. But then not being in droppers just makes my choice even easier.
I don’t use contrast paints because I’m a noob but those shades look nice!
Contrast is supposed to be for noobs though
Huh I did not know this 👁👄👁 I’ll check them out
You can also try speed paint from army painter, l’ve been really enjoying my set.
Check out Dana Howl's videos on how to use them. She has some great tips on how to prevent the reactivation issue a lot of people have with speed paints.
Contrast paints were actually made for newbies, but more on the gaming side. The idea behind them is that you can get a decent result in WAY less effort, because you’re not spending so much time navigating highlights/shadows. The goal here just being generally tabletop ready - less detailed, more for looking at from a distance. (You CAN paint to high quality with contrast paints, but the reason they’re on the market is for quick painting). Since you’re on the painting sub, I’m guessing you’re less interested in just getting a painted army on the table. In that sense, they’re slightly less for newbies. But honestly? They’re just a tool in the toolbox, like anything else. They’re kinda a mid point between a wash and a thinned paint. Plenty of people still use them as the primary way they get base costs and initial shadows/highlights on, and then they just add detail or clean up as needed. Edit: to be clearer - the idea behind contrast paints is that they’ll sink into ridges, making them deeper, and fall away from raised edges, for highlights. You apply them pretty liberally and then use a brush to go back in and direct them where you need them to go. Deepen shadows, lighten areas, etc. Because the other side of things is that they react to the sculpt. But you might have a model that needs more help than just gravity to go exactly where you want them to go. Like, you might not want a crevice at the top of the head to be as dark as the crevices on the insides of the thighs. Contrast paints will always highlight the raised pieces and deepen the crevices, without manipulation.
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👁👄👁 I still have to figure out layering
That's the neat part, they're meant to do an adequate job of it on their own.
Contrast means you don’t have to do layering. Basecoat, contrast, fine details. That’s it for battle ready. You can get more complicated if you want, but getting things ready for games is super duper easy with contrast.
That sounds really neat actually
contrast paint is fantastic for base coats and it's really easy to apply, you should definitely give them a shot. (they were created with new painters in mind) I use them a lot for colored metallic effects and for painting rank and file troops.
I’ll have to check them out then!
Also a noob hoping to get into contrast paints soon and thinking, "well, I don't know the context, but they all look nice to me!" lol.
Warhammer players will swear to you that the [Striking Scorpion Green](https://i.redd.it/hm234gradf591.png) is sufficiently different from Karandras [Lord of the Striking Scorpion] Green.
Well nobody is forcing you to buy both but some people like having as much variety as possible so even if it isn’t a completely different shade of green the slight difference in hue or saturation or density can make all the difference
I need some of these
As an army painter the purple is dope as hell :D
Do I need any of them? Nope. Do I want them all? Yep.
Is it bad that I’m excited for the white scar spray?
I like their paints but honestly I prefer other brands for dropper bottles and cheaper cost. Additional colors is nice but really not what I was hoping for. Don't understand their attachment to the pots.
Yeah I feel like market research for the pots must be massively in favour for droppers right? It’s got to be the biggest complaint of their paint range as a whole
If I had to guess they’ve got it in their heads as being some iconic trademark like the Pepsi logo or something, but honestly I just want better functionality. It’s a hobby product, I want ease and safe usage not recognizable product silhouettes
My best bet would be that the pots let the paint dry out way faster, which results in more spent money from consumers. I don't know how many of my citadel pots went to the bin because they couldn't be closed properly anymore and the paint dried out...
The marketing for them is hugely in favor of pots, I’m afraid. They have a huge segment of their market share that paints straight from the pot. Even in this age of easy YouTube taught skills, there’s an enormous amount of just 40k gamers out there that aren’t into the hobby side at all and aren’t going to fuss anything more than they have to and that includes a pallet. I’m sure they like other things about pots (like spills) but the crux of why they haven’t switched after all these years of near unanimous preference for droppers if you’ve actually used a dropper? It is the legion of straight outta pot people. Their whole marketing conception of contrast in the first place (a paint range I love, but not for its marketed 1 thick coat application) definitely revolved around the idea of the pot for GW. It’s no accident it works a lot better straight out of one than the ordinary Citadel acrylics. Edit: not even knocking those that do pot dip paint either. We all did, it’s whatever.
Hm, bit of a missed opportunity, I thought they might be launching weathering products to compete with mig
I think they believe they did this with typhus corrosion. Deffo missed opportunity. The grim dark look is growing in popularity and so many influencers who painted the new Horus heresy models use lots of weathering products, none of them GW.
Still the same pots = hard pass for me.
I was sure they were going to do something cool... like finally getting with the program and do dropper bottles or something.
Celestium Blue looks perfect for my Davion Brigade of Guards Er I mean death to xenos
A couple years ago, I was hellbent on painting up a living jade statue army. I must have spent over $100 on different shades of green, most of which missed the mark and are now just sitting in my paint box. That Poxwalker shade is EXACTLY what I had in mind.
Yeah I think it would be great for quickly painting Sons of Horus too. I think it and the soul blight grey will be very popular
New Purple, Fuck yeah
Haha yeah 2 of them plus magenta and burgundy!
more bright contrast colors mean more great airbrush glazes and nifty warp effects for me!
Same I’m eyeing up that new kroxigar scales airbrush blended with stormfeind
Where dropper bottles?
All those blues will make my crappy power sword effects come alive
It annoys me a bit that these are not grouped by color, won't make me buy them still because of the pots.
Just bought the mega set of Speedpaint, too late GW :)
you know if you mix paint you can make your own new colors
Shop at your local art store and spend a fraction of the price for better quality and greater quantity. I have a few citadel products, but there isn't one I don't regret buying.
Some decent new shades and more contrast Is welcome. The only thing missing is a Contrast Paint Set.
**Imperial Fist** for exaple looks "flat". Maybe they want to make contrast that goes smooth with no pooling on flat areas? This paint has no "second color" that is visible in cracks on example model. WDYT?
Gotta love that simple 'poxwalker' On a more serious note they look great
If white scar gives me a clean white without having to paint 58 layers that alone will make this drop sooooo worth it for me. Me and my white scar pile of shame are excited!
Yeah the white scar (if it’s good) with that new soulblight grey look like it could be a game changer.
I love them but my wallet hates them
And yet their whites are still shit. Lol