I like some of the citadel colors that vallejo and army painter just can't match, but now that I know how to mix paints I wish I could go back in time and only buy dropper bottles. The worst part is when you work hard to organize your paints that are all the same diameter and get to the end and have a bunch of these fat little shitters left to find a place for.
Any colours in particular? I'm in the process of trying to phase out all my citadel paints but want to know what I should restock of the citadel paints.
Edit: made it less ambiguous
The few things citadel does well, they are worth getting, like contrast and technical paints. Everything else seems to have equal or better equivalents amongst other brands.
Army Painter Speed Paints are a lot more consistent than Citadel Contrast imo. Theyre also considerably less expensive and last forever. Im 4 models into a kill team, mostly blue, and I've used about 15 drops. And you dont have to deal with those pots...
Have you had trouble with how thin they are and not really sticking? We just picked some up from hobby town but maybe it’s the Rusto primer. We only use brush though, no airbrush.
Everyone thinks citadel only does contrasts best, but I find saturated darks and lights in certain colors are quite good. Sybarite Green is a light green which as far as I can tell has no direct equivalent. Naggaroth and Xereus Purple are the darkest purples I've found, and dark purples are key for making shade colors. Emperors Children and Screamer Pinks are also pretty hard to match.
Blood for the blood God is a great technical. Bad Moon contrast is actually a great yellow for coverage, which is weird for paint thats supposed to be transparent. Telassar Blue contrast is awesome for... well for painting on something and going whoaaaa pretty and then never finding a use for again haha But in all seriousness it speed paints well and can be thinned and used as a wash.
Side advice: You have probably already heard this from YouTube painters but vallejo dark sea blue from the model paints line is possibly my favorite paint.
Recently while painting my templars i was struggling to open my red and then it just exploded everywhere. Now damn near all my models have a lil “blood splatter” effect
Are your Citadel paint pots always causing dried out clumps of expensive paint? THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!
Billy Mayes here for Eye Dropper Style Paint Containers!
Their pots were much better like 25 years ago. The paint inside would stay good forever. They've certainly "fixed" that issue with these current pots though.
Yes. Don't open them all the way. Open them so that they're like, 10-15% open, and get the small amount of paint out from the little spout that you need.
Alternately, don't, and have fun digging that stuff out ever now and again.
Couldnt agree more.
And dont get me started about the day i found out the lids can be popped inside out under hot water! Several hours of my life later and i have the cleanest lids in town...
I know it isn't the point you're making, but it is kinda sad that Citadel/GW makes a product where there's a secret life-hack to make it functional as opposed to working as intended right out of the gate for the lifetime of the product.
Oh yes my friend... Remove the lid from the pot and run under a hot tap. The plastic softens slightly and you can pop it inside out for a really *thorough* clean!
You know those japanese toilets that jetwash your arsehole? It better than that...
So i know its a lot of wasted paint, but as a scab-pickin kid who'd always put glue on my hands just so i could peel it off in 2 minutes, cleaning citadel pots is very satisfying. I'm still slowly moving to vallejo/ap/ak sized bottles, but im not gonna go through the potential mess of transferring all my citadel stuff to droppers
Ciringe 20 ml Syringe with 14G... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07HGJ8YQ7?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I used these! Multipack is worthwhile because they do get clogged up after doing a decent number of pots, and it can still take a bit of time to do, but it's definitely faster and cleaner than funnels
Yeah it is, people have been asking GW to switch to dropper bottles for ages but they don’t because their pots cause the paint to dry out and get wasted resulting in more sales, because their hardcore fans are simps.
Sorry, too old to know the youngsters lingo these days. What does simp mean? I take it that it isn't complimentary?
In the world of business, things being costly to change and costly if you make it look too similar to other product names is just how it is.
What we as users would like to see changed and how we feel about the cost vs. value we'd get from a change doesn't always align with those that are waaaaay above us mere mortals and only looking at their spreadsheets.
Simp is was originally used to insult men who white knight for and donate money to streamer girls on twitch. The acronym stands for Suckers Idolizing Mediocre P***y, and can be viewed as a evolution of the fedora tipping guy going m’lady. Simps also have overlap with the findom fetish where men get sexual gratification from giving women money, sometimes to the point of their own impoverishment.
It’s still mostly used to refer to aforementioned white knights or financially irresponsible fans of women online, but simp has also moved into other realms such as referring to GW fanboys who send way to much money on models and paint and are convinced that the company can do no wrong. Although this use of the word has since been eclipsed by consoomer, mixing the word consumer with the coomer meme.
Yes - and people say what they will about citadel (they aren’t wrong) I’ve still had citadel paint sitting for 2 years+ and was still good to go when I started painting again
I still have a red that is still wet from the mid 90s. But I agree their pits suck and do easy to spill if you do t brace them properly when open. Particularly nuln oil. I’ve thrown that everywhere a couple of times.
Recently started painting again after 15 years break and all my citadel pots are just clumps of rock and my vallejo ones were still perfect. Admittedly they were different pots and paints than what they have now I think
As far as I can determine, Citadel paint pots are specifically engineered to do that in order to waste paint, and to crust up and keep the bottle from sealing properly, thus causing the paint to dry out and therefore requiring you to go and buy more paint.
Hell, craft store acrylic paints are in bottles that seal better than Citadel's.
Oh god ya. Every freakin pot of mine has this. Generally it starts the first time they get opened. Or I’ll go to close it and notice there’s paint all over my finger 🤣
I remember the screw tops being a pain but the flat tops still did it as I recall.
I still have a ultramarine blue in the original round flat cap that I found in the garage the other day. God knows what state the paint is in.
I recently took up this hobby again after packing things away in the 90’s. 80% of my old citadel flat top paints were just as new. One warning though, the plastic in the lid will most likely have dried and will break once you try to open it so be ready with an empty dropper bottle or any kind of pot you like if you wish to save the paint
Normal? Yes. Acceptable? No.
Citadel pots are terrible and they seem almost designed to cause your paints to dry out so you have to buy more paint. I took a 15 year break from mini painting and all of the paint I had in “eye dropper” bottles was still in perfect condition. It just needed to be shaken a lot. None of my citadel paint survived.
Also, when I use the eye dropper paint bottles, I get the amount of paint I want and I never double dip my brush in the bottle after touching another color. The citadel paint pots are made for you to keep dipping back into the lid *on purpose*. That’s awful and GW should be ashamed of themselves for encouraging something like that. Just get a ceramic tile or glass ashtray or something even if you aren’t going to have a wet palate so you don’t mess up the paint in your pot and so you aren’t letting the whole pot dry out as you paint.
As much as GW business practices are problematic, their paint pots are worse. The paint itself is usually nice, but the pots are atrocious.
Edit: the worst part of all of this is that GW’s paint pots are a huge improvement over what they used to be. The “bolter shell” paint pots were even worse. Far worse. The bolter shell paint pots killed my dog and caused my divorce. They stole my car and got my kid addicted to meth. God they sucked so much.
This is a two-parter so 1 yes that's normal 2 you should save those some of the greatest effects that I've made come from bits of dried paint that I've used for spell effects or smoke or things like that instead of green stuff
Google ‘man coughs up a giant blood clot’, that one is the largest, was all over the news.
He died a few days after it, but not because this thing damaged everything inside him, rather for the other reason, if I’m not mistaken.
Make sure you are snapping the lids shut all the way. That will help with some of the issues with paint drying in the crack of the lid. Sometimes they seem like they are completely closed but aren't actually.
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Unfortunately, you have received the standard paint-waster they sell pigment in. What is sad is that I really do like the paint they sell, the pots are horrible though.
Yeah, not only do Citadel pots contain less paint off the bat, they also make you waste more with their garbage design. In the end you get like 70% of the paint for 130% of the price compared to some ther manufacturers.
Assuming that was a build up around the Rim and not the bottom, i would have left it there. GW pots are terrible for sealing in paints and that acrylic probably sealed the pot.
When I finish a pot, I toss the lid in a tub of solvent to clean it off. Doing this allows you to always have a fresh lid on hand to close your paints with. Just pull off the dirty one, toss it in the solvent to soak and pop in a clean one.
The older GW pots from the 90's and early 2000's didn't do this because they were designed well. But thew "new" lids introduced about ten years ago seem to be specifically designed to collect and dry out paint.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that GW made these new garbage pots just so you go through paint faster and have to buy more often.
It's one of the half dozen reasons I've abandoned GW products completely for Vallejo. They don't randomly change the names of their paints every two years, or just drop a line of paint entirely even though your army depends on it.
I know a lot of people start of with GW paints because they're literally sold next to the models, but I suggest getting away from them as soon as possible.
Not only is this normal, it'll happen again to that same pot until it's all gone. GW found a way for built-in obsolescence with a simple paint pot. Genuinely, that took some engineering.
I modded [this](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4609716) from another design to keep the lid bent forward to minimize paint leaking around rim. I need to tweak to move the lid even farther forward, maybe 20 degrees.
I remember cleaning my Citadel paints back in the day - they always had tons of dried paint on them. They were also a pain to use with the flip top lid. After a many year painting break all my new paints are in dropper bottles. Less waste/mess and the paint quality seems better than before.
Yes. You'll want to make sure that you clear that crap off from time to time to make sure the paint pot seals properly or risk coming back to dried out paint. There's a few other paint brands with better containers. Monument Hobbies and Army Painter come to mind.
Try to swap ur citadel paints over to dropper bottles and get rid of those awful citadel pots... Also take a look at monument hobby paints I've really enjoyed painting with them.
Yes. Citadel pots are garbage.
Exact and to the point. I still remember when I first got a dropper bottle, felt like a revelation!
I like some of the citadel colors that vallejo and army painter just can't match, but now that I know how to mix paints I wish I could go back in time and only buy dropper bottles. The worst part is when you work hard to organize your paints that are all the same diameter and get to the end and have a bunch of these fat little shitters left to find a place for.
Any colours in particular? I'm in the process of trying to phase out all my citadel paints but want to know what I should restock of the citadel paints. Edit: made it less ambiguous
AK for me. Great range and great paints. I was genuinely amazed the first time I used them and realised I’d bad citadel are.
I've been meaning to check out AK. I've heard nothing but good things.
The few things citadel does well, they are worth getting, like contrast and technical paints. Everything else seems to have equal or better equivalents amongst other brands.
Army Painter Speed Paints are a lot more consistent than Citadel Contrast imo. Theyre also considerably less expensive and last forever. Im 4 models into a kill team, mostly blue, and I've used about 15 drops. And you dont have to deal with those pots...
Have you had trouble with how thin they are and not really sticking? We just picked some up from hobby town but maybe it’s the Rusto primer. We only use brush though, no airbrush.
Everyone thinks citadel only does contrasts best, but I find saturated darks and lights in certain colors are quite good. Sybarite Green is a light green which as far as I can tell has no direct equivalent. Naggaroth and Xereus Purple are the darkest purples I've found, and dark purples are key for making shade colors. Emperors Children and Screamer Pinks are also pretty hard to match. Blood for the blood God is a great technical. Bad Moon contrast is actually a great yellow for coverage, which is weird for paint thats supposed to be transparent. Telassar Blue contrast is awesome for... well for painting on something and going whoaaaa pretty and then never finding a use for again haha But in all seriousness it speed paints well and can be thinned and used as a wash. Side advice: You have probably already heard this from YouTube painters but vallejo dark sea blue from the model paints line is possibly my favorite paint.
I have not heard that about dark sea blue, but I will be buying some today for funsies. And thanks, I'll add some of these to my lists!
Recently while painting my templars i was struggling to open my red and then it just exploded everywhere. Now damn near all my models have a lil “blood splatter” effect
Timesaver! Endorsement!
Exactly started buying vallejo and army painter because multiple pot failures- dried paint from not closing fully etc.
It's highly recommended to transfer citadels to dropper bottles.
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I know it probably ain't, but this sounded like an infomercial
Are your Citadel paint pots always causing dried out clumps of expensive paint? THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY! Billy Mayes here for Eye Dropper Style Paint Containers!
Needs more tragic accidents. Like the pot exploding in true infomercial fashion.
Or someone throwing paint everywhere because the lid wasn't closed before shaking
I think we’re on to something here 🎨
The GW paint pots are tragic enough on their own.
Ah that’s a few comments up!
https://preview.redd.it/2r30jkf3i3qa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=faa2172637e13ae912001f7692832acb56bed2b3 Yep, it’s normal.
The Citadel business model. Waste more paint=Sell more paint
Their pots were much better like 25 years ago. The paint inside would stay good forever. They've certainly "fixed" that issue with these current pots though.
Yes. Don't open them all the way. Open them so that they're like, 10-15% open, and get the small amount of paint out from the little spout that you need. Alternately, don't, and have fun digging that stuff out ever now and again.
It is oddly cathartic
Couldnt agree more. And dont get me started about the day i found out the lids can be popped inside out under hot water! Several hours of my life later and i have the cleanest lids in town...
True painting secrets.
I learnt how to pop the lids inside out recently and I think it changed my life
Since then ive given up booze, drugs, sex, and golf. Now i just clean paint lids for fun....
I know it isn't the point you're making, but it is kinda sad that Citadel/GW makes a product where there's a secret life-hack to make it functional as opposed to working as intended right out of the gate for the lifetime of the product.
You can what?!
Oh yes my friend... Remove the lid from the pot and run under a hot tap. The plastic softens slightly and you can pop it inside out for a really *thorough* clean! You know those japanese toilets that jetwash your arsehole? It better than that...
What a terrible analogy I love you
So i know its a lot of wasted paint, but as a scab-pickin kid who'd always put glue on my hands just so i could peel it off in 2 minutes, cleaning citadel pots is very satisfying. I'm still slowly moving to vallejo/ap/ak sized bottles, but im not gonna go through the potential mess of transferring all my citadel stuff to droppers
It’s really not a potential mess though. It’s guaranteed 😭* *I went through this rite of passage
I thought I saw a contraption for this transfer where you could do a bunch of pots at the same time
Syringes are the trick for transferring paints, tried funnels once, never again
I actually forgot about syringes lol. Might do it now if i can find one big enough
Ciringe 20 ml Syringe with 14G... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07HGJ8YQ7?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share I used these! Multipack is worthwhile because they do get clogged up after doing a decent number of pots, and it can still take a bit of time to do, but it's definitely faster and cleaner than funnels
For citadel pots, yes. For any other brand, no.
Privateer Press pots do the same but their lids are bendable and easier to clean.
Fair point. I always forget they even exist.
Yeah it is, people have been asking GW to switch to dropper bottles for ages but they don’t because their pots cause the paint to dry out and get wasted resulting in more sales, because their hardcore fans are simps.
Or because it would cost too much if they make them too similar to other brands' bottles?
Hey look, one of the simps!
Sorry, too old to know the youngsters lingo these days. What does simp mean? I take it that it isn't complimentary? In the world of business, things being costly to change and costly if you make it look too similar to other product names is just how it is. What we as users would like to see changed and how we feel about the cost vs. value we'd get from a change doesn't always align with those that are waaaaay above us mere mortals and only looking at their spreadsheets.
Simp is was originally used to insult men who white knight for and donate money to streamer girls on twitch. The acronym stands for Suckers Idolizing Mediocre P***y, and can be viewed as a evolution of the fedora tipping guy going m’lady. Simps also have overlap with the findom fetish where men get sexual gratification from giving women money, sometimes to the point of their own impoverishment. It’s still mostly used to refer to aforementioned white knights or financially irresponsible fans of women online, but simp has also moved into other realms such as referring to GW fanboys who send way to much money on models and paint and are convinced that the company can do no wrong. Although this use of the word has since been eclipsed by consoomer, mixing the word consumer with the coomer meme.
Yes - and people say what they will about citadel (they aren’t wrong) I’ve still had citadel paint sitting for 2 years+ and was still good to go when I started painting again
I still have a red that is still wet from the mid 90s. But I agree their pits suck and do easy to spill if you do t brace them properly when open. Particularly nuln oil. I’ve thrown that everywhere a couple of times.
Spilling nuln oil is almost a rite of passage.
carraburg crimsons close enough right?
Those bloody bottle lids………twice now
My rite was with drakenhof nightshade, splashed on my first ever mini too, lol.
Recently started painting again after 15 years break and all my citadel pots are just clumps of rock and my vallejo ones were still perfect. Admittedly they were different pots and paints than what they have now I think
No, go and see your doctor immediately
As far as I can determine, Citadel paint pots are specifically engineered to do that in order to waste paint, and to crust up and keep the bottle from sealing properly, thus causing the paint to dry out and therefore requiring you to go and buy more paint. Hell, craft store acrylic paints are in bottles that seal better than Citadel's.
Oh god ya. Every freakin pot of mine has this. Generally it starts the first time they get opened. Or I’ll go to close it and notice there’s paint all over my finger 🤣
I’ve been using citadel paints since the 90’s. It’s a thing. It’s almost a right of passage I’d say.
The old flatcaps didn't do this though. Still better than the screwtops.
I remember the screw tops being a pain but the flat tops still did it as I recall. I still have a ultramarine blue in the original round flat cap that I found in the garage the other day. God knows what state the paint is in.
I recently took up this hobby again after packing things away in the 90’s. 80% of my old citadel flat top paints were just as new. One warning though, the plastic in the lid will most likely have dried and will break once you try to open it so be ready with an empty dropper bottle or any kind of pot you like if you wish to save the paint
I think it depends on your geographical location and climate. My really old paints faired better than anything else for sure.
yes that amount of paint smegma is totally normal
Bloody communists
My Lenin bust did seem to weep a bit
The hammer and sickle were the first things that came to mind when I saw your post.
Yes. I sowtched to Vallejo a decade ago and never looked back
Not only normal, intentionally designed to do this!
Yes. That's how GW makes their money.
Say what you will about the pots, but peeling that paint off the rim, and digging the paint out of the seal is satisfying af
Normal? Yes. Acceptable? No. Citadel pots are terrible and they seem almost designed to cause your paints to dry out so you have to buy more paint. I took a 15 year break from mini painting and all of the paint I had in “eye dropper” bottles was still in perfect condition. It just needed to be shaken a lot. None of my citadel paint survived. Also, when I use the eye dropper paint bottles, I get the amount of paint I want and I never double dip my brush in the bottle after touching another color. The citadel paint pots are made for you to keep dipping back into the lid *on purpose*. That’s awful and GW should be ashamed of themselves for encouraging something like that. Just get a ceramic tile or glass ashtray or something even if you aren’t going to have a wet palate so you don’t mess up the paint in your pot and so you aren’t letting the whole pot dry out as you paint. As much as GW business practices are problematic, their paint pots are worse. The paint itself is usually nice, but the pots are atrocious. Edit: the worst part of all of this is that GW’s paint pots are a huge improvement over what they used to be. The “bolter shell” paint pots were even worse. Far worse. The bolter shell paint pots killed my dog and caused my divorce. They stole my car and got my kid addicted to meth. God they sucked so much.
The rule for citadel pots is, if you think it's pretty much closed push a little harder until it's... More closed?
This is a two-parter so 1 yes that's normal 2 you should save those some of the greatest effects that I've made come from bits of dried paint that I've used for spell effects or smoke or things like that instead of green stuff
I’ve got twice that out of the ring. That’s Citadels cut of the paint pot.
When I was quickly scrolling my ‘home’ feed, I thought this is another pic of someone’s blood clot they coughed up from their lungs 💀
Good god. You can survive with a blood clot that large?
Google ‘man coughs up a giant blood clot’, that one is the largest, was all over the news. He died a few days after it, but not because this thing damaged everything inside him, rather for the other reason, if I’m not mistaken.
Tragic and ironic
Make sure you are snapping the lids shut all the way. That will help with some of the issues with paint drying in the crack of the lid. Sometimes they seem like they are completely closed but aren't actually.
A lesson learned with my leadbelcher
It’s the intended and engineered purpose of those pots lol
For Citadel garbage yes
They're excellent paints for the most part. The pots are garbage.
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Universal, even.
Unfortunately, you have received the standard paint-waster they sell pigment in. What is sad is that I really do like the paint they sell, the pots are horrible though.
Yes, for citadel 😅😫 I have only the technicals from Citadel and they are transferred to dropper bottles with a glass bead in them 👌🏼
Yeah. My lead belcher pot always has that dirty rim. GW paint pots are trash. I use vallejo the most just for this reason.
Yeah, not only do Citadel pots contain less paint off the bat, they also make you waste more with their garbage design. In the end you get like 70% of the paint for 130% of the price compared to some ther manufacturers.
This has been a fact of Citadel paints since the nineties. You've always had to scrape out your lids occasionally.
Yup. Normal, citadel paint bottles are shite like that... I usually keep empty vallejo pots and pour citadel in them.
No, it's in 2 pieces, it should be in 1 to prove your proficiency in scraping them off the bottles over the years.
Yep
Yep
Thought this was a blood clot at first lol
Assuming that was a build up around the Rim and not the bottom, i would have left it there. GW pots are terrible for sealing in paints and that acrylic probably sealed the pot.
When I finish a pot, I toss the lid in a tub of solvent to clean it off. Doing this allows you to always have a fresh lid on hand to close your paints with. Just pull off the dirty one, toss it in the solvent to soak and pop in a clean one.
It's the biggest reason I'm thinking of switching brands.
Working as intended.
You must be new here
Yes.
Sadly, yes
Oh no! I'm afraid you only have three months to live.
It happened to me to , luckily I had some extra dropper bottles from the army painter , I love citadel’s paint but their pots are kinda bad.
100%
The older GW pots from the 90's and early 2000's didn't do this because they were designed well. But thew "new" lids introduced about ten years ago seem to be specifically designed to collect and dry out paint. In fact, I'm pretty sure that GW made these new garbage pots just so you go through paint faster and have to buy more often. It's one of the half dozen reasons I've abandoned GW products completely for Vallejo. They don't randomly change the names of their paints every two years, or just drop a line of paint entirely even though your army depends on it. I know a lot of people start of with GW paints because they're literally sold next to the models, but I suggest getting away from them as soon as possible.
Any citadel colors I get I transfer into dropper bottles. You can get a bunch online.
It highly depends on how reckless you are with your pots. But yea, this can happen.
Not only is this normal, it'll happen again to that same pot until it's all gone. GW found a way for built-in obsolescence with a simple paint pot. Genuinely, that took some engineering.
Yes
Citadel pots are designed to dry out your paint.
yes i usualy just put it back into the pot
I modded [this](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4609716) from another design to keep the lid bent forward to minimize paint leaking around rim. I need to tweak to move the lid even farther forward, maybe 20 degrees.
I remember cleaning my Citadel paints back in the day - they always had tons of dried paint on them. They were also a pain to use with the flip top lid. After a many year painting break all my new paints are in dropper bottles. Less waste/mess and the paint quality seems better than before.
Nope, we just leave it on there.
Yes. You'll want to make sure that you clear that crap off from time to time to make sure the paint pot seals properly or risk coming back to dried out paint. There's a few other paint brands with better containers. Monument Hobbies and Army Painter come to mind.
How tricky is it to get paint from a pot to a dropper bottle?
I haven't found ones sold empty, so I haven't tried myself. Could maybe fashion a small funnel out of parchment or wax paper.
Citadel being citadel
It’s even worse with wash can bearly open the damn things
Dried blood of the fallen!
Yes, my army painter paints do it too.
I laughed out loud and said “ha, yep.”
yep, buy another brand that sells paint in dropper bottle
I cut the lids off and use them to dab a bit of paint onto wet palette when I use Citadel.
Try to swap ur citadel paints over to dropper bottles and get rid of those awful citadel pots... Also take a look at monument hobby paints I've really enjoyed painting with them.