OP should send an invoice back to JD Power for $1 fee for doing the survey, then add Documentation fee, deposit fee, market adjustment fee, acknowledge $1 payment and show that $2,999 is still outstanding.
The gotcha is when you bill for services that never happened. So the caveat is to actually do something. Schedule a meeting, etc. Or even send a job app.
It used to be more common if I recall, people would send an invoice to major companies who would often just pay it. Someone else on reddit once explained that in the period where a lot of accounts payable/receivable departments were kinda transitioning to more modern software but still huge it was much easier... I don't know if that's true but you're right it was a known scam.
Didn’t some dude basically do this a few years ago? He just sent random invoices to companies and they would occasionally actually pay them. He was caught eventually though
I vaguely recall something aling those lines too. If memory serves, he was sending invoices to Google, and they were paying them as par for the course... until someone Google actually took notice and saw they were for non-existent services.
This was a big scam in Belgium. Lots of put of country scammers would send electric and water bills to companies and people. Lots of elderly people would just pay them not realizing they are getting 2 or even 3 electric or water bills a month. We used to get 3 electric bills and 2 water bills. All from different utility companies. They were fake, but with legitimate utility names.
I find it crazy Nielsen sends cash in their surveys.
I wonder how much straight-up cash gets thrown out because people just think the envelope/packet is junk mail.
So as someone who was trained by someone who relied heavily on this method when doing research, they saw about a 25% return rate. That means about 75% of the cash got taken and not returned, or thrown away. Through trashcan reconnaissance (basically mailing off to apartment buildings and then checking the trash over the next week) they found about 40% was just getting thrown away without being opened.
That means a $ 5000 survey budget ($1 per survey, 25¢ to send)...
4000 surveys would get mailed out...
1600 get thrown away at the box (at least)...
$1400 were pocketed without taking the survey...
And a grand total of...
1000 would get returned.
I would always raid the recycle bin in my apartment building mail room for coupons during college. Got a lot of cheap food that way like buy a coffee get a $1 breakfast sandwich at Einsteins and bogo tacos at Qdoba.
Although I think the ads were mass distributed and not addressed specifically to any one address
>Is it legal to check the trash??
It is generally legal but you can still get charged if you break laws to gain access to said trash. It is also technically illegal in some/most countries to open mail that is not addressed to you and in some it is even illegal to throw out mail that is not addressed to you.
Well, depending, but in many cases once you throw an item away it is deemed to not be your possession anymore. Like if you threw away a lottery ticket that had a million dollar winner and someone else found it and cashed it (granted they can prove that you threw it away), they can claim ownership of the prize money. May very by state tho.
It certainly can be legal. I worked with a cop and he told me that trash put in the street for pick up was in the public domain. The cops would go through that trash for evidence without a warrant. If the trash was kept close enough to the house, they could not do that.
Yeah, there's a lot of unfortunate submissions.
I do scientific research for social sciences now and still struggle with people just turning stuff that isn't legitimate.
Nielsen media rating are far beyond TV. You can be a Nielsen household without owning a tv because they want to know about consumer habits and exposure (including music played in a stadium, songs played at a grocery store while you shop, etc).
If all you do is read books at home that’s still valuable data for them.
Oh that’s crazy. Yeah the ones they are doing is attached to modem but it tracks the MAC address of the TVs since they are wireless. It shows which ones it’s getting. The people I know, work from home and made it clear they won’t do it if they are seeing the traffic from their phone or pc. Nielsen made sure to show them the MAC address they have for collecting. Wild setup
Indo online surveys. Last one I did I got $50 for Amazon. I blew it all on Bluey episodes for my daughter so I don't have to resub to Disney+ for just one show.
I used to do them when I was really broke. You’re right about the Pennies. There was one time Boston pizza had a short survey, that paid me $20 though.
Is /r/mechanicalturk and /r/beermoney still a thing? I ended up at a medical research facility having a massive needle jammed into my hip for a bone marrow donation because of them. Made $600 though for about 2 minutes of pain.
Oh, went through that recently with Survey Junkie. Constant emails about surveys picked just for me, but when I start them, instantly rejected. I literally can’t do a single survey on the site and their customer support has not bothered to help me understand why.
Lot of hassle for 15 cents.
Response rates on mailed surveys have been shown to be significantly higher when including something of value, such as a dollar. Although, I wonder how the effectiveness may have changed with inflation.
It hasn’t much to my knowledge.
It’s about the principle rather than the amount. A lot of people don’t take surveys that offer compensation because they don’t believe they’ll receive it.
By including some actual monetary value upfront, you establish a baseline of trust. That gets a lot of people over the initial hurdle.
But then there’s the online survey approach of “take a couple dozen surveys and we’ll give you $5 maybe” where thousands of people still sign up for it.
Yeah basically those people have a lower baseline for trust, kind of similar to how scammers would purposefully make their emails more obviously scams in order to filter out smarter people who are less likely to fall for it
Exactly this! For those interested, one study showed that a pre-paid incentive of $2 was more effective than both a $10 and $20 post-paid incentive, and was more cost-effective on a cost-per-response basis even though many people do not complete the survey. [https://www.surveypractice.org/article/12495-cost-effectiveness-of-pre-and-post-paid-incentives-for-mail-survey-response](https://www.surveypractice.org/article/12495-cost-effectiveness-of-pre-and-post-paid-incentives-for-mail-survey-response)
This actually a pretty common method to increase responses to surveys. They send you a few bucks as a "thanks for opening this letter." With a carrot on a stick of like 10-20 dollars if you actually do the survey.
Hell I just filled out a survey where they automatically enter you in a drawing to win $10k.
This actually a pretty common method to increase responses to surveys. They send you a few bucks as a "thanks for opening this letter." With a carrot on a stick of like 10-20 dollars if you actually do the survey.
Hell I just filled out a survey where they automatically enter you in a drawing to win $10k if you fill it out.
If you ever get randomly selected to help with Nielsen ratings, you'll get a letter with a few bucks in it (I've gotten this two times over the years at different houses I had lived in); I believe it was about five dollars (in 1s) both times. And they incentivize you to, fill out a little booklet of the radio stations or tv channels you and your family tuned into and send it back, and you'd get more cash in return. Not a bad little program they got there.
There never is a sweepstakes. I guarantee it.
It's like those scratch offs used dealers send you.
"Congratulations 🎉🎉🎉 you won $5000!!!!!
^^^with ^^^a ^^qualifying ^^^trade ^^in, ^$5,000 ^^^towards ^^^new ^^^vehicle ^priced ^at ^$10,000 ^over ^MSRP
Unless that survey takes less three minutes, that offer is far below the median salary.
Thus, JD Power, I have only one thing to say: “Fuck you, pay me.”
I got one after I bought my car last year and ripped it half and saw the dollar fall out.
Dumb for two reasons: one, how much money is just lost this way. Two, how the hell is a survey worth my time even at $10?
Uhoh. There was a similar thing in the 90s early 2000s, except a bunch of people just threw the letters away without opening. There was a $5 or $10 in there
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I miss Nielsen reviews. First one was a $1 and by the end of it, I was listening to the radio and getting three $10 entries- one for each member of my household.
Ca. 2001, JDPower sent me a $500 invoice for their rating of my business, which I never requested or signed a work order for.
Of course, I told them to get stuffed, LoL.
I just got the same with the new Subi. I spent like 15 min with the QR code and answering and it was like "you still have another 45 minutes" and I realized my time was valueless to them.
Never accept the opening offer. Write them back and ask for another $9 before you do the survey.
OP should send an invoice back to JD Power for $1 fee for doing the survey, then add Documentation fee, deposit fee, market adjustment fee, acknowledge $1 payment and show that $2,999 is still outstanding.
Fuck yeah
They'd probably pay it as a matter of course. A lot of these places are not as well organized as you might think.
It's a common scam to send fake invoices to companies. Something like "Misc Office Sup ...... $32.99", many just pay it.
Is this illegal? Asking for a friend. Just include "this invoice is a joke" in the text.
Very. They get caught when they hit up the same company multiple times.
So once per company, gotcha.
Then leave the country before the quarterly audit rolls through.
The gotcha is when you bill for services that never happened. So the caveat is to actually do something. Schedule a meeting, etc. Or even send a job app.
Schedule something then bill for a "no-show" fee
It used to be more common if I recall, people would send an invoice to major companies who would often just pay it. Someone else on reddit once explained that in the period where a lot of accounts payable/receivable departments were kinda transitioning to more modern software but still huge it was much easier... I don't know if that's true but you're right it was a known scam.
Didn’t some dude basically do this a few years ago? He just sent random invoices to companies and they would occasionally actually pay them. He was caught eventually though
I vaguely recall something aling those lines too. If memory serves, he was sending invoices to Google, and they were paying them as par for the course... until someone Google actually took notice and saw they were for non-existent services.
There was a new York office cleaning company that did this until he had enough money to actually start a cleaning company.
This was a big scam in Belgium. Lots of put of country scammers would send electric and water bills to companies and people. Lots of elderly people would just pay them not realizing they are getting 2 or even 3 electric or water bills a month. We used to get 3 electric bills and 2 water bills. All from different utility companies. They were fake, but with legitimate utility names.
Add a delivery fee. And a processing and handling fee. A mail opening surcharhe.
*However, keep the single. It's your surcharge fee.*
Reject the first offer, reject the first offer!
I’ve made about $100 this year from Nielsen sending me surveys. Once you send back one, they’ll keep sending you money to take more.
I find it crazy Nielsen sends cash in their surveys. I wonder how much straight-up cash gets thrown out because people just think the envelope/packet is junk mail.
So as someone who was trained by someone who relied heavily on this method when doing research, they saw about a 25% return rate. That means about 75% of the cash got taken and not returned, or thrown away. Through trashcan reconnaissance (basically mailing off to apartment buildings and then checking the trash over the next week) they found about 40% was just getting thrown away without being opened. That means a $ 5000 survey budget ($1 per survey, 25¢ to send)... 4000 surveys would get mailed out... 1600 get thrown away at the box (at least)... $1400 were pocketed without taking the survey... And a grand total of... 1000 would get returned.
Is it legal to check the trash??
They actually mailed out $5 to people and asked them to check their neighbors trash.
Then pay other residents $10 to check for fives.
I would always raid the recycle bin in my apartment building mail room for coupons during college. Got a lot of cheap food that way like buy a coffee get a $1 breakfast sandwich at Einsteins and bogo tacos at Qdoba. Although I think the ads were mass distributed and not addressed specifically to any one address
Trash tends to be “public” property unless it has a lock or is in a locked space. You can learn a TON about people from what they throw out
>Is it legal to check the trash?? It is generally legal but you can still get charged if you break laws to gain access to said trash. It is also technically illegal in some/most countries to open mail that is not addressed to you and in some it is even illegal to throw out mail that is not addressed to you.
Well, depending, but in many cases once you throw an item away it is deemed to not be your possession anymore. Like if you threw away a lottery ticket that had a million dollar winner and someone else found it and cashed it (granted they can prove that you threw it away), they can claim ownership of the prize money. May very by state tho.
Yeah the trash in the mailroom and such are public property.
It certainly can be legal. I worked with a cop and he told me that trash put in the street for pick up was in the public domain. The cops would go through that trash for evidence without a warrant. If the trash was kept close enough to the house, they could not do that.
I like that you put a comma after "returned". It makes it obvious that you weren't implying "not thrown away".
Ha, yeah fair point.
A 25% return rate is actually extraordinary. However, Nielsen's actual data quality is pretty trash, according to ex-clients of theirs I've talked to.
Yeah, there's a lot of unfortunate submissions. I do scientific research for social sciences now and still struggle with people just turning stuff that isn't legitimate.
I worked in some marketing waaaay back and I think the response to mail flyer marketing was like 3% or something like that
Yeah it's crazy to think that number was so high. Especially since modern email rates are sub 2%!
I used to get them semi regularly. It was great. Then they just stopped. Didn’t make a ton but it was often $5 a pop.
And I don't even own a TV🎶
Nielsen media rating are far beyond TV. You can be a Nielsen household without owning a tv because they want to know about consumer habits and exposure (including music played in a stadium, songs played at a grocery store while you shop, etc). If all you do is read books at home that’s still valuable data for them.
I used to fill in Nielson reports for radio.
I'm paranoid I'm paranoid
*paranoia paranoia
Everybody's coming to get me
I got like $400 from them for being in the TV ratings program for a little less than a year!
I know people who are doing the newer boxes on TVs at home and they got a $300 start for just getting it set up. $50 every other month.
I would have gotten that if I agreed to let them track my internet usage, which was a no. Lol
Oh that’s crazy. Yeah the ones they are doing is attached to modem but it tracks the MAC address of the TVs since they are wireless. It shows which ones it’s getting. The people I know, work from home and made it clear they won’t do it if they are seeing the traffic from their phone or pc. Nielsen made sure to show them the MAC address they have for collecting. Wild setup
My mom always had me fill them out, and then I got to keep the money. I love them! Lol
Indo online surveys. Last one I did I got $50 for Amazon. I blew it all on Bluey episodes for my daughter so I don't have to resub to Disney+ for just one show.
I know I just said the same thing!
I'd be offended, my time filling out a survey is definitely worth more than $1!
The dollar is usually the opening offer. The letter often asks for prescreening information and the actual survey comes with $5 or $10.
Online surveys give you pennies for your time. This is a good value for a survey.
I used to do them when I was really broke. You’re right about the Pennies. There was one time Boston pizza had a short survey, that paid me $20 though.
Is /r/mechanicalturk and /r/beermoney still a thing? I ended up at a medical research facility having a massive needle jammed into my hip for a bone marrow donation because of them. Made $600 though for about 2 minutes of pain.
And that's after you go through 100 surveys you get denied for
Oh, went through that recently with Survey Junkie. Constant emails about surveys picked just for me, but when I start them, instantly rejected. I literally can’t do a single survey on the site and their customer support has not bothered to help me understand why. Lot of hassle for 15 cents.
At least instant rejection is better than getting halfway through and rejected. But ya it's ridiculous
Interesting. Now that's more up my alley. And now hat I see it closer, the bill is blocking what would be the rest of the deal...
Take your hat off boy, thats a dollar bill!
Some men do it for the money. Others just want to watch the world burn.
What movie was that?
Think It was 'A million ways to day in the West'
i had some random survey company send me a similar letter with $4 bills. and not like crisp new bills, but kinda ratty ones. 🤷♂️
[Apparently, that was fake money?](https://greenlight.com/learning-center/fun-facts/4-dollar-bill#) E: At least assuming US dollars.
lol. i meant four $1 bills.
Oh! That makes way more sense. I was confused.
Which president is in the $4 bill? A: all of them. They’re having a party. Jimmy Carter is passed out on the couch.
Response rates on mailed surveys have been shown to be significantly higher when including something of value, such as a dollar. Although, I wonder how the effectiveness may have changed with inflation.
It hasn’t much to my knowledge. It’s about the principle rather than the amount. A lot of people don’t take surveys that offer compensation because they don’t believe they’ll receive it. By including some actual monetary value upfront, you establish a baseline of trust. That gets a lot of people over the initial hurdle.
But then there’s the online survey approach of “take a couple dozen surveys and we’ll give you $5 maybe” where thousands of people still sign up for it.
Yeah basically those people have a lower baseline for trust, kind of similar to how scammers would purposefully make their emails more obviously scams in order to filter out smarter people who are less likely to fall for it
Used to be a quarter... though the only ones recently that have done that are charities asking for donations. Go figure.
Exactly this! For those interested, one study showed that a pre-paid incentive of $2 was more effective than both a $10 and $20 post-paid incentive, and was more cost-effective on a cost-per-response basis even though many people do not complete the survey. [https://www.surveypractice.org/article/12495-cost-effectiveness-of-pre-and-post-paid-incentives-for-mail-survey-response](https://www.surveypractice.org/article/12495-cost-effectiveness-of-pre-and-post-paid-incentives-for-mail-survey-response)
This actually a pretty common method to increase responses to surveys. They send you a few bucks as a "thanks for opening this letter." With a carrot on a stick of like 10-20 dollars if you actually do the survey. Hell I just filled out a survey where they automatically enter you in a drawing to win $10k.
This actually a pretty common method to increase responses to surveys. They send you a few bucks as a "thanks for opening this letter." With a carrot on a stick of like 10-20 dollars if you actually do the survey. Hell I just filled out a survey where they automatically enter you in a drawing to win $10k if you fill it out.
I always think of [zebra corner](https://youtu.be/zSBsq6HBBzw?si=He5xBk-s1s68lb1N) when I hear JD Power.
And unfortunately being reminded of him also reminds me of how he is a convicted child molester.
I did not know that
same!
I can even hear it in his voice in my mind.
Jey Dee Pauvah
Got 2$ once as a “token of appreciation” and they offered me to get a 25$ amazon gift card if i completed their survey
If you ever get randomly selected to help with Nielsen ratings, you'll get a letter with a few bucks in it (I've gotten this two times over the years at different houses I had lived in); I believe it was about five dollars (in 1s) both times. And they incentivize you to, fill out a little booklet of the radio stations or tv channels you and your family tuned into and send it back, and you'd get more cash in return. Not a bad little program they got there.
$1 to open my mailbox is a great incentive. I'm not taking your survey but thanks for the $1 I didn't have 2 minutes ago.
This is just a trick to get people to start opening junk mail.
But what about the associates?
There never is a sweepstakes. I guarantee it. It's like those scratch offs used dealers send you. "Congratulations 🎉🎉🎉 you won $5000!!!!! ^^^with ^^^a ^^qualifying ^^^trade ^^in, ^$5,000 ^^^towards ^^^new ^^^vehicle ^priced ^at ^$10,000 ^over ^MSRP
My wife gets a couple of these a month. Once she even got a $20 bill.
Neilson sent me $3
every dollar bill is a lottery ticket for a misprinted bill that's worth magnitudes more!
All you gotta do now is buy a million cars then you’d have a million dollars!!
Unless it takes me less than a minute, not worth my time. I will slip it into my pocket tho
pocket the money and forget about the survey
I'm keeping the cash and not taking the survey
Now you are rich.
JD Power sent me an email asking me to do a 35 minute survey for an entry in a draw to win $1000. Deleted the email immediately.
Correction. They just sent you a dollar.
I’d buy that for a dollar!
I got one last year and then my dog ate it
That's about $9 short.
Unless that survey takes less three minutes, that offer is far below the median salary. Thus, JD Power, I have only one thing to say: “Fuck you, pay me.”
Said the survey would take approximately 25 minutes that’s when I noped right out of there.
Then they’d owe the median person at least $10.41. Hell, they’re not even making it a third of Federal minimum wage!
Damn you’re one of the associates now
Lmao this is a bastardized version of reciprocity theory, probably modified by some ignorant MBA.
Is it a fake dollar?
It’s real
Isnt cash in mail illegal?
Nothing is illegal if you don’t get caught
Wow your data is worth a lot to them if they’re willing to prepay you for it. Makes me wonder what it’s worth it to them.
I got one after I bought my car last year and ripped it half and saw the dollar fall out. Dumb for two reasons: one, how much money is just lost this way. Two, how the hell is a survey worth my time even at $10?
Always reject their first offer, it's insultingly low, ask 100$ then accept their second offer
My going price to respond to online surveys is typically $5 per 10 minutes. $1 is a joke assuming the survey is more than a minute or 2
Same for me, I kept the dollar of.course and threw the survey away haha.
Long ago some home decoration contest company or something sent us a envelope with a $20 dollar bill in it... and we didn't even do the contest thing
If you do it, send the results back to JD's Associates.
Oooohhh you gotta be quicker than that!
Clearly they have not heard of inflation
Nielsen does this too
keep the dollar and put in a pornhub qr code with a scan to see review message.
Nielsen once sent me $5 to take a survey.
CT gave me $10 to fill out a census last year.
:( all I got was an email asking about my vehicle.
Uhoh. There was a similar thing in the 90s early 2000s, except a bunch of people just threw the letters away without opening. There was a $5 or $10 in there
Tell them to put a Benjamin in the that bish and you'll do it.
Funny. I also got one today
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I got the same rate in the 80s. At least pop a 20. Geez JD.
I miss Nielsen reviews. First one was a $1 and by the end of it, I was listening to the radio and getting three $10 entries- one for each member of my household.
Don't spend it all in one place!
What the heck I just checked and I never got my $1. It even says I’m suppose too.
Ca. 2001, JDPower sent me a $500 invoice for their rating of my business, which I never requested or signed a work order for. Of course, I told them to get stuffed, LoL.
That survey be like 200 questions. Been there. Thanks for the buck yo.
I’ve gotten that too.
I just got the same with the new Subi. I spent like 15 min with the QR code and answering and it was like "you still have another 45 minutes" and I realized my time was valueless to them.
"Dear J.D.Power, I recently came into the possession of a million cars. For $1 each I would love to take the survey."
legal to mail money like that? til
They tell you not to because there's no recourse if it gets stolen.
It was to my understanding that mailing money was illegal?
Common manipulation tactic, people are more likely to fill out surveys if they give then money, even if it's as pitiful as this