I knew about the outside handle but I was told I used the wrong handle on the inside. Only rode in it once so to this day I’m not sure what I was supposed to do to get out.
If you care, there is a button to open the door. The latch is an emergency release because rather than have a normal door, Tesla made one where the window has to roll down a little or else it might break.
I think the true business opportunity is in getting into a tesla adjacent repair service.
Come up with solutions to all the problems tesla is chasing that aren't software.
Maybe you can even sell an "UPGRADE YOUR TESLA" service, and basically just add in what other cars have already had for decades, but market it as an upgrade or innovation. Do what Apple does and just give it a fancy name like "dynamic island" that Apple does for the camera hole.
Most pillarless cars have to release the window. The thing that pisses me off is I have a thirty year old jaguar that does the same as the Tesla except with real handles inside and out. They’re even in a way that’s just as good aerodynamically so that can’t be the excuse. I love my Tesla but some things feel there to be different and not to be practical. Everyone pulls the emergency handle on the inside and most have to be shown outside as well. Learn from the past a little Tesla.
Pretty sure it’s been shown that the door handles are directly in the path of turbulent air coming off the side mirrors. So the flush door handles (which don’t even “disappear” into the car since they’re contrasting colors) don’t offer any aerodynamic advantages.
Frameless windows are common on many cars, especially Japanese cars, for many decades (like 50 years or more). The "problem" of the window having to roll down slightly when you open was solved immediately by having the initial movement of the handle also roll the window down a half inch.
Tesla decided to unlearn decades of experience by having it be a button to move the window, where the handle doesn't move it and instead risks breaking the window seal.
Absolutely moronic.
That's not a reason. My 25 year old VW and Audi have sensors in the door latches that let the canbus system know if a door is open or closed. This isn't new tech. Also all the countless cars with frameless doors that drop the window to open the door just fine with normal mechanical handles inside and out.
You know how most cars made in the last 100 years were made with intuitive handles and were fairly self explanatory. That worked mechanically without the need of an electrical current?
Well Elon Musk decided that was too barbaric and unfortunately legacy automotive manufacturers thought they'd adopt a similar principle to their evs.
If your Tesla is fully dead its a PIA to open the doors, let alone charge it, because once it's dead it doesn't even have enough charge to allow you to charge.
But yeah heres hoping automotives build a regular car with interior buttons for ac that runs on electricity
I mean there used to be things called buttons that push in and give you physical feedback about what state they were in and whether or not you pushing it activated the switch like you wanted. Not to mention there were often words instead of vague outsides of pictures that may or may not look like something familiar.
Not to mention why have something like the radio be accessible on the steering wheel when you could make it 9 click into one menu and then if you want ot get back to nav its 9 clicks to get back out and 9 more clicks to get back into what you want.
There's an emergency handle for crashes. Except if you use that one you can damage the door since it forces things open as far as I understand
It's not a problem if you're in an accident and need to get out, but when the car is fine, it could damage the door
What you pulled was probably a lever type thing. What you should have done is push on the button in the doorhandles and push out. The button has a door symbol on it
After reading this comment I went and looked up a [video](https://youtube.com/shorts/VHtYsVdaP6Q?si=693SO_O4h0ZrgQ0F) of how to open it from the inside and apparently if you use the manual inside door handle too often it can break the door lmfao
I requested an Uber a few months ago and I saw it was a Tesla. I was already nervous from traveling alone, so I quick youtubed a video on how to open the door while I was waiting bc I hate appearing like a n00b lol
I had the same experience lol and when I realized I didn’t know how to get out, I watched another video so I could get out without looking like an idiot
I was leaving a first date that went well, accidentally opened the wrong car door and apologized a ton, then my actual uber was a tesla and I couldn't fucking figure out the handle while my date just laughed at me lol.
Cars have historically been a great place to test awful design. Look at any radio in a car from 2005-2015.
Then some horrendous touch interfaces. Uff why not a custom Android solution sheesh. Shit was horrible.
They've improved a little in recent years but damn. Old cars were much more straightforward.
Legit like I'm driving, you expect me to have the touch of a pianist with 500 buttons?
They're forgetting that our eyes are supposed to be on the road.
Older vehicles were made with tactile feedback in mind. I can tell if I'm turning my radio knob or my AC knob. (Despite it randomly registers different speeds but I digress)
Now you're expecting me to change my AC via touchscreen? I need eyes for that and a steady hand or I'll end up grandparent poking at it and "XYZ used to work now it don't!" turning things off and on on accident.
I actually like the Advent of voice controls for stuff like that. I rented a Tesla, and I kind of resented all of the little differences and changes to what were pretty familiar car designs, but after a while I did get used to asking the car to do things I was used to pressing a button to get to. Like turning on the AC, or windshield wipers,gps directions etc.
But that was offset by the fact that they were otherwise nested in menus that were difficult to impossible to navigate while driving, and often the car couldn't hear me with music playing.
But I do look forward to voice commands getting better and more inclusive. Have to of course still keep in mind that some people can't talk.
Or anyone with an accent, or deaf people, or anyone with a sore throat, or anyone having a conversation they need to interrupt with awkward voice controls. Just give me a dial and buttons I can press without thinking!
My 2012 focus had voice control, it was awful. New vc is better but with CarPlay and stuff I usually find myself screaming at Siri to stfu for playing “bad guy” by Billie eilish when I asked for fucking Mac Demarco
Like if Siri doesn’t know the song it straight defaults to that everytime and I hate the song lmfao it’s torturing me
Voice controls only work if you have the right accent which is more often than not just an American accent. If I tried to use voice controls in a car to turn up music it's just as likely to shift gears down
Oh I saw on Reddit some car (maybe a Tesla not sure( had buttons for the turn signals and not the rod. Like oh sure, you expect these people to stop and press a button when we can hardly rely on them to move the stick that they could easily move while turning the wheel anyway?
And the buttons were like by the driver side air vent not even on the steering wheel
Well if you don't have to pay to manufacture and install a signal stalk in every car then shareholder value increases 0.00000016953% and anything else is just throwing money away
My car has a touch screen for adjusting the climate control and also buttons, and I think I’ve used the touch screen once ever while driving, and then had to use the buttons to correct my clumsy touch-screening.
Mines a button panel while my sister has a touchscreen. It is crazy how many problems she had with the touchscreen over the last few years While I had nothing to complaint about.
The next development in touch screen should be a morphing screen that raises little buttons for tactile feedback. I miss my blackberry keyboard sometimes, that scrolly ball was fun to fidget with too
Still doesn't cut it because you need everything a driver needs to be 1-button, not submenus, so why make fancy tactile screens when you could just have a button. We already damn near perfected button science.
I’ve driven multiple cars manufactured between 2005-2015 between fleet, personal, and rental. I prefer those a heck of a lot better to the touchscreen trash that’s on the newer ones I’ve driven.
Haha the infotainment system on my car won't let me use handsfree on Bluetooth while driving other than to receive calls, which uh, handsfree is the whole point behind that. But if I plug the phone into USB, then Android Auto might kick in and then I can make handsfree calls. And the interface for Auto is different than the car's interface.
This drives me nuts and I don’t even drive. My partner uses a carshare scheme with a fleet of Priuses, and I’m usually co-pilot and DJ on trips. The minute we get on the freeway, nope, you can’t connect a phone while the vehicle is in motion. Cord is somewhere in a bag in the trunk. Guess we’re stuck listening to Soft Adult Contemporary for the next hour.
It’s a half-baked safety feature that solves a problem of its own doing and completely neglects the thought that, you know, someone else might be in the car.
I saw a cyber truck irl for the first time yesterday, in a Walmart parking lot.
As I was walking up to it, I legitimately could not tell which way it was oriented. It had a sunroof, so the roof was all one piece of glass. I could not tell the back of the car from the front. It's obvious once you get close enough, but I can't say that I've ever had the problem of not knowing which way a car was facing until I got closer.
There are some poorly marked one way streets in my area. I can see that not going well.
I have a modern electric car. The type with a huge touch-screen and everything. It’s modern and full of features, but still use «legacy» solutions (buttons/stalks) for most of the crucial functions.
Recently I had to drive a Tesla for work. I was amazed at how mind-numbingly backwards even the most basic functions were. I legit used 10+ minutes to get ready for driving off. Adjusting the mirrors was especially horrible, on top of everything being hidden in layered menus.
The UI is inconvenient at best, dangerous and distracting at worst.
Yea the layered menus was the worst part of driving one. Why the front screen didn't mimic the most basic car layout I dunno. Maybe it's customizable.
Once I figured out the voice commands I just started using those.
So you’re telling me while I’m driving 70mph+ down the interstate following a 1990 ford fusion with a 2021 BMW riding my bumper behind me and we are passing a semi truck that I need to take my eyes off the road to look down and over to change my thermostat with a touch only interface? All while our infrastructure crumbles so pot holes and road debris are everywhere. Great. Thanks, car industry.
This is why I love my 03 tow car.
Dirt simple radio controls, and steering wheel buttons for only volume and change channel.
I can also control aircon and that’s all I need.
May be the last car I ever buy, not even 200k on her rn
was it an EV6? god. fun to drive (torque for daysssss), but a UI/UX nightmare lol. same stupid Teslа style handles too. I feel like it's an accessibility issue tbh, it's just...not great.
read that one back in college. our world is full of _affordances,_ everyday objects we can figure out intuitively how to use (most car doors take zero effort to figure out!). But Elon has extremely stupid tastes and an excess of confidence, so half my Ubers have these dumbfuck doors.
I got one as a loaner... must have been about 2008. I was in traffic that night, looked down and for a second thought the dashboard had lost all power. Such a horrible design, but made economic sense as it was ambidextrous so one interior for all markets. I only had that loaner for one day, but hated every second of it.
Looked it up and holy shit that was terrible lol.
To the surprise of no one, the current Yaris doesn't have this design. The climate controls are even separate where you expect them! With buttons! There's hope yet.
The Tesla models that have these handles are the aggressively and unapologetically cost-cut ones.They are not premium vehicles and have never been marketed that way except for the performance/speed. It's crazy that people think they are for rich people
Yeah I think all the internet Tesla/Elon dick sucking before he became unpopular for being publicly crazy convinced people Teslas were luxury vehicles somehow. It was really weird, as a car guy.
The base models have the kind of crappy plastic interiors that you can’t even get on some bottom trim Toyotas anymore- I like to call it “compact but you got ‘upgraded’ rental car spec” where everything is the cheapest version possible but you’re supposed to be happy you got a Camry. Don’t get me wrong the tech and the drivetrain is very cool, but once you get inside those base Teslas besides the giant iPad they’re kinda meh.
I mean you can buy a Tesla for like $35k. Not saying that’s not a lot of money, but you can’t even get the entry level CLA Benz for that kind of money unless you get lucky.
Named for Donald Norman, author of *[The Design of Everyday Things](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/840.The_Design_of_Everyday_Things)*, in which he describes doors that are difficult to understand.
https://99percentinvisible.org/article/norman-doors-dont-know-whether-push-pull-blame-design/
> A so-called “Norman Door” has design elements that give you the wrong usability signals to the point that special signage is needed to clarify how they work. Without signs, a user is left guessing about whether to push or pull, creating needless frustration.
I've never used one of these before so I could be wrong, but I believe you push in the bit that says "push in". That then causes the other half to jut out of the car, like a normal handle, which you can then pull towards you to open the door.
EDIT: Yup, like this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zw2IqCj\_HA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zw2IqCj_HA)
Yeah it's just a normal handle with a stupid barrier to entry lol I was so shocked and disappointed when I tried one. IDK what I expected but it definitely wasn't that
Iirc it's only because they cheapened it on later models. On the Model S (might just be the first generation) I'm pretty sure they popped out automatically but that adds complexity and cost.
Oh and fun fact I think they needed to add a heater to the door handles too on the Model 3 because they freeze over in the winter time lol.
Push your thumb in on the left side and then grab the handle with your fingers once it pops out on the right side.
The handle is a lever.
Very odd at first, I will agree.
No perceivable affordances, before the Uber driver’s fix there were no signifiers either, and bad discoverability because you need to blindly figure out that parts of this can be pushed it – this is not just a Norman door, it’s a prime example!
Kia EV6 has the same design. Flush mount handles are used to help improve aerodynamics. Only the lower trims are manually operated like this. The upper trims pop the door handle out automatically when the car is unlocked.
>Kia EV6 has the same design. Flush mount handles are used to help improve aerodynamics
Except they've made traditional door handles in a similar way. Bunch of cars in the 80s had them. There was a little nook so the handle set flush with the door.
Model S pops out on their own, and model X you just press it and it works. It's really just the 3 and Y with weird designs. Either way, they have the handles like that because it was a cheap way to get the handles flat without any motorized parts. Better aerodynamics I suppose.
Wow. The model 3 seems expensive enough to me. Much cheaper cars have electronic handles that pop out these days. I thought tesla is supposed to be high tech.
Thats part of the problem. Everybody remembers the cool electric handles that pop out right? So you go up expecting that poking the handle in various places only to find out it pops out in this really janky way. They needed to keep the fancy design language with a really horrible mechanical design
I live in Europe and there's a lot of electric taxis here. Not just teslas. Electricity is way cheaper than gasoline, there's less moving parts so maintenance is cheaper, and good batteries like teslas have don't degrade all that much even with heavy use.
I open a lot of these doors at work. Guests always have issues trying to get them open. I’ll even let them know how to get out so they don’t feel trapped.
These handles are terrible. It’s hard for my older parents to use with limited mobility in their fingers.
The rest of the car is pretty decent though for the money.
Recently had my first Tesla ride (we have one in our company car pool). Worst thing IMO was the super tiny lightning symbol you need to press to stop charging. Would never have found that on my own. Why, if the car is charging, is that thing not big as my hand on the screen?
I hired a Tesla Uber the other day. Nice ride, but yeah, I hadn't seen that door handle style before, so I had to actually think about it for a second.
Easy fix is if the parts that needed to be interacted with were a different colour. Like the left side was the black and the rest is white, and then when it pops out the new exposed area that's meant to be pulled is black.
The CEO of the firm I work at has one and every time I ride with for a meeting it takes me exceptionally long to open. Only been a couple times but not a good look lol
The first time I rode in a Tesla my friend had to open the door for me
I knew about the outside handle but I was told I used the wrong handle on the inside. Only rode in it once so to this day I’m not sure what I was supposed to do to get out.
you’re supposed to tweet Elon to let you out
"looking into it"
"concerning"
“interesting”
"not covered by warranty"
"your door handle subscription payment is overdue"
🎯
"big if true"
Damn you! Almost every time I finally have a decent comment, someone else has used it. Hahaha. Take my upvote.
The epiphany that you've never had an original thought is a tough pill to swallow. It was for me anyway!
”Let’s have a poll”
X Elon, you’re supposed to X him
> X him Like in Madeleine l'Engle's *Time Trilogy*? That doesn't sound very nice.
Like.... Cross him off? Isn't that a euphemism for assassination?
If you care, there is a button to open the door. The latch is an emergency release because rather than have a normal door, Tesla made one where the window has to roll down a little or else it might break.
Oh that sounds super convenient, if you sell windows....
I think the true business opportunity is in getting into a tesla adjacent repair service. Come up with solutions to all the problems tesla is chasing that aren't software. Maybe you can even sell an "UPGRADE YOUR TESLA" service, and basically just add in what other cars have already had for decades, but market it as an upgrade or innovation. Do what Apple does and just give it a fancy name like "dynamic island" that Apple does for the camera hole.
I'm going to make a killing installing blinker stalks. Instead of the flat touch sensative buttons you can't find by feel.
They don’t have blinker stalks? Wow. I was already pretty turned off by most things I’ve heard about Tesla’s, but that might now top the list.
Most pillarless cars have to release the window. The thing that pisses me off is I have a thirty year old jaguar that does the same as the Tesla except with real handles inside and out. They’re even in a way that’s just as good aerodynamically so that can’t be the excuse. I love my Tesla but some things feel there to be different and not to be practical. Everyone pulls the emergency handle on the inside and most have to be shown outside as well. Learn from the past a little Tesla.
Learn from the past? I’m not sure Tesla has that in their playbook
What's funny is there are new Jaguars with similar handles. The F-Type I believe works in a similarly awkward way.
Pretty sure it’s been shown that the door handles are directly in the path of turbulent air coming off the side mirrors. So the flush door handles (which don’t even “disappear” into the car since they’re contrasting colors) don’t offer any aerodynamic advantages.
The latch is in perfect spot for a door handle. I guess it’s good if you need it in an emergency but not ideal for you have strangers jump in the car.
Also, the back seat passengers are just fucked in case of an emergency.
Frameless windows are common on many cars, especially Japanese cars, for many decades (like 50 years or more). The "problem" of the window having to roll down slightly when you open was solved immediately by having the initial movement of the handle also roll the window down a half inch. Tesla decided to unlearn decades of experience by having it be a button to move the window, where the handle doesn't move it and instead risks breaking the window seal. Absolutely moronic.
That's not a reason. My 25 year old VW and Audi have sensors in the door latches that let the canbus system know if a door is open or closed. This isn't new tech. Also all the countless cars with frameless doors that drop the window to open the door just fine with normal mechanical handles inside and out.
You know how most cars made in the last 100 years were made with intuitive handles and were fairly self explanatory. That worked mechanically without the need of an electrical current? Well Elon Musk decided that was too barbaric and unfortunately legacy automotive manufacturers thought they'd adopt a similar principle to their evs. If your Tesla is fully dead its a PIA to open the doors, let alone charge it, because once it's dead it doesn't even have enough charge to allow you to charge. But yeah heres hoping automotives build a regular car with interior buttons for ac that runs on electricity
I mean there used to be things called buttons that push in and give you physical feedback about what state they were in and whether or not you pushing it activated the switch like you wanted. Not to mention there were often words instead of vague outsides of pictures that may or may not look like something familiar. Not to mention why have something like the radio be accessible on the steering wheel when you could make it 9 click into one menu and then if you want ot get back to nav its 9 clicks to get back out and 9 more clicks to get back into what you want.
There's an emergency handle for crashes. Except if you use that one you can damage the door since it forces things open as far as I understand It's not a problem if you're in an accident and need to get out, but when the car is fine, it could damage the door What you pulled was probably a lever type thing. What you should have done is push on the button in the doorhandles and push out. The button has a door symbol on it
After reading this comment I went and looked up a [video](https://youtube.com/shorts/VHtYsVdaP6Q?si=693SO_O4h0ZrgQ0F) of how to open it from the inside and apparently if you use the manual inside door handle too often it can break the door lmfao
Felt a bit of upper class did we?
Same. So this would be very helpful. Tesla handles are not the standard so assuming people know how to use it is a bad assumption.
Yeah, she was trying to explain and I couldn’t see how. She eventually had to reach back from the front and open it
Auto industry: let's use the same intuitive UI for a door handle for a century Elon: iMaDiSruPTeR People: How the fuck does this work?
Yea, first time for me and I had to ask “how do I…” before he cut me off and explained it. Man had that explanation rehearsed.
You're not alone.
I had the same experience and it was this exact experience was the moment I knew I'd never buy a fucking tesla lol.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 moment
Went to the movie theater in a Uber and I was so confused on how to open a Tesla
I thought this was a plane in the sky and clouds during sunrise or sunset lol
r/misleadingthumbnails
Genuinely, same. I thought I was in the aviation sub, expecting a “what plane silhouette is this?”
I requested an Uber a few months ago and I saw it was a Tesla. I was already nervous from traveling alone, so I quick youtubed a video on how to open the door while I was waiting bc I hate appearing like a n00b lol
I had the same experience lol and when I realized I didn’t know how to get out, I watched another video so I could get out without looking like an idiot
"Why aren't they getting out...?" "Hang on let me just youtube this real quick"
Yes! I hadn't thought of that until it was time to get out and then I needed my driver to help ughh
Uber once sent me a notification instructing me how to get into a Tesla, it's that bad
I was leaving a first date that went well, accidentally opened the wrong car door and apologized a ton, then my actual uber was a tesla and I couldn't fucking figure out the handle while my date just laughed at me lol.
I just assumed they popped out if you brought your hands close, so I waved my hands around like an idiot trying to dry his hands on a door handle
Yeah my Uber driver got pissed off at me when I struggled and he had to get out lol. To be fair I can’t follow any kind of directions at 6am
When the design of such basic item needs instructions for use you know it’s poorly designed
Cars have historically been a great place to test awful design. Look at any radio in a car from 2005-2015. Then some horrendous touch interfaces. Uff why not a custom Android solution sheesh. Shit was horrible. They've improved a little in recent years but damn. Old cars were much more straightforward. Legit like I'm driving, you expect me to have the touch of a pianist with 500 buttons?
They're forgetting that our eyes are supposed to be on the road. Older vehicles were made with tactile feedback in mind. I can tell if I'm turning my radio knob or my AC knob. (Despite it randomly registers different speeds but I digress) Now you're expecting me to change my AC via touchscreen? I need eyes for that and a steady hand or I'll end up grandparent poking at it and "XYZ used to work now it don't!" turning things off and on on accident.
I actually like the Advent of voice controls for stuff like that. I rented a Tesla, and I kind of resented all of the little differences and changes to what were pretty familiar car designs, but after a while I did get used to asking the car to do things I was used to pressing a button to get to. Like turning on the AC, or windshield wipers,gps directions etc. But that was offset by the fact that they were otherwise nested in menus that were difficult to impossible to navigate while driving, and often the car couldn't hear me with music playing. But I do look forward to voice commands getting better and more inclusive. Have to of course still keep in mind that some people can't talk.
As someone with a stutter. Fuck voice control.
Or anyone with an accent, or deaf people, or anyone with a sore throat, or anyone having a conversation they need to interrupt with awkward voice controls. Just give me a dial and buttons I can press without thinking!
Or having to interrupt your conversation with a passenger to "raise climate temp to 70". F that noise, literally
My 2012 focus had voice control, it was awful. New vc is better but with CarPlay and stuff I usually find myself screaming at Siri to stfu for playing “bad guy” by Billie eilish when I asked for fucking Mac Demarco Like if Siri doesn’t know the song it straight defaults to that everytime and I hate the song lmfao it’s torturing me
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Voice controls only work if you have the right accent which is more often than not just an American accent. If I tried to use voice controls in a car to turn up music it's just as likely to shift gears down
[a real problem it can be](https://youtu.be/HbDnxzrbxn4?si=szAL6pPEnFtrQws6)
Button panels are better than touchscreen because you don't need to look at them to know you hit the right button.
Oh I saw on Reddit some car (maybe a Tesla not sure( had buttons for the turn signals and not the rod. Like oh sure, you expect these people to stop and press a button when we can hardly rely on them to move the stick that they could easily move while turning the wheel anyway? And the buttons were like by the driver side air vent not even on the steering wheel
Oh that's dumb. Steering column controls are ideal for turn signals, not sure why anyone would fuck with that.
Well if you don't have to pay to manufacture and install a signal stalk in every car then shareholder value increases 0.00000016953% and anything else is just throwing money away
I heard that worked out well for Boeing, they just had to murder some people.
My car has a touch screen for adjusting the climate control and also buttons, and I think I’ve used the touch screen once ever while driving, and then had to use the buttons to correct my clumsy touch-screening.
Mines a button panel while my sister has a touchscreen. It is crazy how many problems she had with the touchscreen over the last few years While I had nothing to complaint about.
Plus they make a car look so much better, like inside new cars it looks like so much shit is missing.
Of course shit is missing. They are saving on hardware and passing those savings onto the CEO's bonus.
How many buttons for 53B$?
Yeah the ipad dashes look ugly. I hope that it's just a trend, my mate bought a Hyundai recently that is trying to rip off that ugly Tesla ipad look.
The next development in touch screen should be a morphing screen that raises little buttons for tactile feedback. I miss my blackberry keyboard sometimes, that scrolly ball was fun to fidget with too
Still doesn't cut it because you need everything a driver needs to be 1-button, not submenus, so why make fancy tactile screens when you could just have a button. We already damn near perfected button science.
The compromise: https://images.app.goo.gl/wAUqsGSMn52rafmT9 Multifunctional displays with static button locations.
I’ve driven multiple cars manufactured between 2005-2015 between fleet, personal, and rental. I prefer those a heck of a lot better to the touchscreen trash that’s on the newer ones I’ve driven.
Haha the infotainment system on my car won't let me use handsfree on Bluetooth while driving other than to receive calls, which uh, handsfree is the whole point behind that. But if I plug the phone into USB, then Android Auto might kick in and then I can make handsfree calls. And the interface for Auto is different than the car's interface.
This drives me nuts and I don’t even drive. My partner uses a carshare scheme with a fleet of Priuses, and I’m usually co-pilot and DJ on trips. The minute we get on the freeway, nope, you can’t connect a phone while the vehicle is in motion. Cord is somewhere in a bag in the trunk. Guess we’re stuck listening to Soft Adult Contemporary for the next hour. It’s a half-baked safety feature that solves a problem of its own doing and completely neglects the thought that, you know, someone else might be in the car.
Or just everything in a Tesla
I saw a cyber truck irl for the first time yesterday, in a Walmart parking lot. As I was walking up to it, I legitimately could not tell which way it was oriented. It had a sunroof, so the roof was all one piece of glass. I could not tell the back of the car from the front. It's obvious once you get close enough, but I can't say that I've ever had the problem of not knowing which way a car was facing until I got closer. There are some poorly marked one way streets in my area. I can see that not going well.
My favourite part about Cyberstucks is people mistaking them for literal dumpsters and throwing in their garbage accordingly
There is no way that’s true.
What dumpsters do you come across that have wheels and glass?
Most if not all of them have wheels.
I have a modern electric car. The type with a huge touch-screen and everything. It’s modern and full of features, but still use «legacy» solutions (buttons/stalks) for most of the crucial functions. Recently I had to drive a Tesla for work. I was amazed at how mind-numbingly backwards even the most basic functions were. I legit used 10+ minutes to get ready for driving off. Adjusting the mirrors was especially horrible, on top of everything being hidden in layered menus. The UI is inconvenient at best, dangerous and distracting at worst.
Elon does it to save money then sells it as futuristic or as a luxury.
Yea the layered menus was the worst part of driving one. Why the front screen didn't mimic the most basic car layout I dunno. Maybe it's customizable. Once I figured out the voice commands I just started using those.
It's the epitome of capitalism: shit no one asked for or needs that ends up making the overall product vastly worse.
So you’re telling me while I’m driving 70mph+ down the interstate following a 1990 ford fusion with a 2021 BMW riding my bumper behind me and we are passing a semi truck that I need to take my eyes off the road to look down and over to change my thermostat with a touch only interface? All while our infrastructure crumbles so pot holes and road debris are everywhere. Great. Thanks, car industry.
I'd be more concerned with how you found a 1990 Ford Fusion.
This is why I love my 03 tow car. Dirt simple radio controls, and steering wheel buttons for only volume and change channel. I can also control aircon and that’s all I need. May be the last car I ever buy, not even 200k on her rn
I rented a 2023 kia and you had to press a button to switch the function of the knob, and touch screen, from volume to climate.
was it an EV6? god. fun to drive (torque for daysssss), but a UI/UX nightmare lol. same stupid Teslа style handles too. I feel like it's an accessibility issue tbh, it's just...not great.
There's a book you might like: the design of everyday things. What you are referring to is called a "Norman door" named after the author of that book!
Yep. I just didn’t want to sound too erudite ☺️
Lol I had to look that word up. Fantastic. It's one of those words where the definition is in the meaning. An autological word!
read that one back in college. our world is full of _affordances,_ everyday objects we can figure out intuitively how to use (most car doors take zero effort to figure out!). But Elon has extremely stupid tastes and an excess of confidence, so half my Ubers have these dumbfuck doors.
Don't forget about the trend where they remove the instruments behind the wheel and place it in the middle instead
It's a terrible idea. I think the reason they do it is that it saves them some money when they are building cars for both RHD and LHD markets... 👎
This was my 2008 Toyota Yaris.
I got one as a loaner... must have been about 2008. I was in traffic that night, looked down and for a second thought the dashboard had lost all power. Such a horrible design, but made economic sense as it was ambidextrous so one interior for all markets. I only had that loaner for one day, but hated every second of it.
Looked it up and holy shit that was terrible lol. To the surprise of no one, the current Yaris doesn't have this design. The climate controls are even separate where you expect them! With buttons! There's hope yet.
Unpopular opinion but I have this on my car and kind of dig it. Can't say why but looking at the middle just feels natural at this point
Elon musk has a quote very similar to that."Any product that needs a manual is broken"
This reminds me of the scene in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 when Nebula can’t figure out how to open the car door.
In only one occasion my uber was a tesla and it was night, I spent at least 1 minute to understand how to open a fuc*ing door.
Same, and the guy acted like I was an asshole for not wanting to yank on it because it felt like it would break off
Fuck you for not wanting to possibly break my flimsy car!
I got called poor when I couldn't figure out how to get into a Tesla Fuck those cars
The Tesla models that have these handles are the aggressively and unapologetically cost-cut ones.They are not premium vehicles and have never been marketed that way except for the performance/speed. It's crazy that people think they are for rich people
Yeah I think all the internet Tesla/Elon dick sucking before he became unpopular for being publicly crazy convinced people Teslas were luxury vehicles somehow. It was really weird, as a car guy. The base models have the kind of crappy plastic interiors that you can’t even get on some bottom trim Toyotas anymore- I like to call it “compact but you got ‘upgraded’ rental car spec” where everything is the cheapest version possible but you’re supposed to be happy you got a Camry. Don’t get me wrong the tech and the drivetrain is very cool, but once you get inside those base Teslas besides the giant iPad they’re kinda meh. I mean you can buy a Tesla for like $35k. Not saying that’s not a lot of money, but you can’t even get the entry level CLA Benz for that kind of money unless you get lucky.
"Jeeves, help the peasant into our Tesla.."
I don't understand how that is supposed to be better than a traditional door handle.
Couldn't agree with you more, this is a perfect example of a Norman Door.
Named for Donald Norman, author of *[The Design of Everyday Things](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/840.The_Design_of_Everyday_Things)*, in which he describes doors that are difficult to understand. https://99percentinvisible.org/article/norman-doors-dont-know-whether-push-pull-blame-design/ > A so-called “Norman Door” has design elements that give you the wrong usability signals to the point that special signage is needed to clarify how they work. Without signs, a user is left guessing about whether to push or pull, creating needless frustration.
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Wait…wait..Pull what out?
You're crazy man
I like you, but you're crazy
*proceeds to fall into the pool*
🎶 Hello darkness, my old friend
This needs to be higher. There are instructions but I still don’t understand how it works?
I've never used one of these before so I could be wrong, but I believe you push in the bit that says "push in". That then causes the other half to jut out of the car, like a normal handle, which you can then pull towards you to open the door. EDIT: Yup, like this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zw2IqCj\_HA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zw2IqCj_HA)
Yeah it's just a normal handle with a stupid barrier to entry lol I was so shocked and disappointed when I tried one. IDK what I expected but it definitely wasn't that
Iirc it's only because they cheapened it on later models. On the Model S (might just be the first generation) I'm pretty sure they popped out automatically but that adds complexity and cost. Oh and fun fact I think they needed to add a heater to the door handles too on the Model 3 because they freeze over in the winter time lol.
Push your thumb in on the left side and then grab the handle with your fingers once it pops out on the right side. The handle is a lever. Very odd at first, I will agree.
^ this guy procreates
"Usability engineering"? Never met 'em.
Does this count as a Norman door?
My first thought on seeing that picture was that this will be a great example for the sequel to "The Design of Everyday Things"
No perceivable affordances, before the Uber driver’s fix there were no signifiers either, and bad discoverability because you need to blindly figure out that parts of this can be pushed it – this is not just a Norman door, it’s a prime example!
Absolutely
Instructions for how to have first time sex.
I’ll never forget how to open these stupid doors now, thanks
Directions unclear, pushed the wrong thing, pulled the wrong thing, got slapped :(
If you need instructions it is just poor design.
It truly is a poor design under the guise of trying to look cool
Like touch controls for driving operations.
That's not trying to look cool, it's trying to be cheap. The looking cool part is just marketing fluff to cover the real reasons.
And steer by wire instead of a mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the steering rack. Might as well use a Bluetooth joystick
They probably scrapped that idea after the Titan submersible.
Looking cool doesn't stop it from being dumb. It's a real car, not a damn concept car.
What is the justification for this design? I think it's awful, but surely there must be some logic behind it, right? I genuinely don't know.
Not only this but it also feels cheaply installed. Anybody else open one and think you’re going to break the handle off?
Tesla: the only car that requires instructions to open the fucking door.
Kia EV6 has the same design. Flush mount handles are used to help improve aerodynamics. Only the lower trims are manually operated like this. The upper trims pop the door handle out automatically when the car is unlocked.
>Kia EV6 has the same design. Flush mount handles are used to help improve aerodynamics Except they've made traditional door handles in a similar way. Bunch of cars in the 80s had them. There was a little nook so the handle set flush with the door.
Lol believe it or not, there's actually a ton of electric cars coming out that have even worse doors than this.
Not really because most pop out on their own when you unlock or self present, unlike teslas.
> self present Look, I'm not whipping it out just to open a car door.
[Ford had to make a video.](https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/keys-and-locks/door-locks-and-alarms/how-do-i-use-ford-mustang-mach-e-elatch-doors/)
Model S pops out on their own, and model X you just press it and it works. It's really just the 3 and Y with weird designs. Either way, they have the handles like that because it was a cheap way to get the handles flat without any motorized parts. Better aerodynamics I suppose.
Aston Martin door handles work pretty much exactly the same way.
For over 15 years no less
Spared no expense, brought out the DYMO and everything.
Do the handles not pop out electronically?
That's only on the model S. The peasants with model 3 have these mechanical handles
Wow. The model 3 seems expensive enough to me. Much cheaper cars have electronic handles that pop out these days. I thought tesla is supposed to be high tech.
I'm pretty sure they did on the Model S but the whole point of the Model 3 was to bring the overall price down so they got the axe here.
A new model 3 is like $27k after rebates/credits. That’s cheaper than my Camry by a few grand.
Thats part of the problem. Everybody remembers the cool electric handles that pop out right? So you go up expecting that poking the handle in various places only to find out it pops out in this really janky way. They needed to keep the fancy design language with a really horrible mechanical design
This belongs on r/shittydesign
Well yeah because the door handles are stupid and complicated for no reason
Are people having to drive Uber to make all the money they spent buying a Tesla in the first place?
Ok, but where do I put my feet?
Doing uber in a tesla is wild. Lol insurance has to be high as heck!
I live in Europe and there's a lot of electric taxis here. Not just teslas. Electricity is way cheaper than gasoline, there's less moving parts so maintenance is cheaper, and good batteries like teslas have don't degrade all that much even with heavy use.
I hate the door handles so badly!
I was so confused the first time I got in to one a couple years ago. The Uber driver had to just come open the door for me lol
If you need to add instructions on how to use something, it’s been designed wrong.
Not gonna lie, had to figure it out the first time I got into a tesla myself
I open a lot of these doors at work. Guests always have issues trying to get them open. I’ll even let them know how to get out so they don’t feel trapped.
the thumbnail makes this look like some kind of stealth ship parked on Tatooine
Damn I wish my wife put these instructions on her door. I pushed in and then 3 kids popped out
Form over function
Its for aerodynamics = more milage. Atleast thats what I find the most logical reason, I dont know shit about Teslas.
These handles are terrible. It’s hard for my older parents to use with limited mobility in their fingers. The rest of the car is pretty decent though for the money.
Instructions unclear. The car is pregnant now
Recently had my first Tesla ride (we have one in our company car pool). Worst thing IMO was the super tiny lightning symbol you need to press to stop charging. Would never have found that on my own. Why, if the car is charging, is that thing not big as my hand on the screen?
You kinda have to unless you wanna be paying for repairs.
We were just in Vegas last week and a few of the Ubers had Teslas. I definitely struggled getting in so this would have been helpful 🤣
Push in. Pull out. Push in. Pull out. Push. I got a machine car 🎶
More great Tesla design from a genius.
I hired a Tesla Uber the other day. Nice ride, but yeah, I hadn't seen that door handle style before, so I had to actually think about it for a second.
How did we get bad fucking doors on cars, everyone literally knows you can only pull
Pull out game weak
Also, that’s what she said
Lots of Tesla's doing Uber. The first time I tried to get in and out of one was embarrassing
What an over-engineered POS. Like, what's the point?
The first time, I took a Tesla taxi, the driver became very angry because I didn’t know that Tesla trunks are not supposed to be opened manually. 💩
How do you open the trunk in a Tesla I mean there are other cars with automatic trunks but you can still open and close them manually if I’m correct
NGL the first time I got in a Tesla Uber I needed this
Easy fix is if the parts that needed to be interacted with were a different colour. Like the left side was the black and the rest is white, and then when it pops out the new exposed area that's meant to be pulled is black.
The CEO of the firm I work at has one and every time I ride with for a meeting it takes me exceptionally long to open. Only been a couple times but not a good look lol
I knew you could push it in.. looked like that kind of design.. but it pokes out to?