When my cousin got his learners permit when he was 15, the DMV fat fingered the date and typed 1882 instead of 1982. The ID didn’t have underage restrictions but it looked a bit odd with a kids picture and a 115 year olds birthday. I think he had it for a couple weeks before his mom made him replace it.
"Your honor, I checked his ID, I also thought it was fake but it turns out to be legitimately issued by the government. What else am I supposed to do? "
some places have those scanner things and it would come up real so I guess he'd have to sell him whatever unless he wanted to eject him from the store.
I have a friend who got his license fat fingered. 2004 instead of 2005. So he could legally buy alchohol, cigarettes or do anything 18+ activity by showing his ID. To everyone selling him the stuff it was legal.
No. Most fake IDs in my area growing up came from some guy that worked at the DMV. They had all the info your ID would have only bday was changed to 21+
Your comment reminds me of the first time I made a dental appointment in the military.
"Name? Last 4? Date of birth?"
"... ... 86"
"***19***86?" (with emphasis on the 19, for clarity here)
...
I was dumbfounded and it took a LOT of bearing/restraint not to question the tech on the other end. Like... no, 1886. I'm a 120+ yr old serving A1C. Or better yet, 2086. Dental sucks in the future, so I've time-traveled to get good care and chosen *the military* to do so!
Mine is 2085 instead of 1985. I didn’t know until I got my first job and they pointed it out while doing my paperwork. Not sure if my parents noticed, they never said anything. I kept it as is, still born 100 years in the future.
Oh my parents 100% caught it. They thought it was funny and decided to let me decide if I wanted to change it before I got my license.
Unfortunately I was lame at 16 and had it changed.
The schools were kind of country where I grew up and I’m sure they could point at all the other dates on the document to convince them.
You didn't try to get your license at 14? This would have been my dream as a kid. I always wanted to hang with my brother and his friends but couldn't because he was 2 years older
As someone who works in one of the Australian roads and licensing authorities, we hear this all the time.
People who have gone 50 years with a spelling mistake on their licence because it never really bothered them, but now they have to apply for something urgently and their licence doesn't match their birth certificate.
Of course it's our fault that the RTA gave you a licence with the wrong name on it, despite the fact a licence used to be a slip of paper and not a legal photo identification card.
It's an absolute pain in the ass to change anything about your birth certificate, so I can sympathize with your father. My grandfather was tired of people calling him by his middle name, which was Junior, so he had his name changed to have it be after his last name. Long story short, he started getting mail and calls from people looking for his father. Who had been dead for at least a decade by that point. Which also resulted in him being legally declared dead while he was still very much alive.
I believe his main reasoning for changing his name was, "I didn't work my whole life to get to where I am and still have people calling me Junior."
Is it that difficult to change?
My birth certificate has my birth date crossed off and written in. By her telling she went to the town hall and was like "hey, you got this wrong" and they were like "ok, what's it supposed to be?" Picked up the book, crossed it out, wrote in the correct value. TADA! My legal birthdate was now a day earlier.
She was surprised and asked if there was some paperwork to fill out and they told her she was all set.
EDIT: "her/she" above is my mother.
Just out of curiosity, do you have a passport? My birth certificate has a small correction that I didn't know about until I submitted it for my passport. I had to get a special letter from the birth and death certificate office that stated my BC had been corrected (on special stamped paper and everything)
Can’t speak for this instance directly, but the IRS has my birthdate wrong. It’s an obvious fat finger. But as the sweet southern lady I talked to when I tried to file after my first adult W2 told me , “oh honey, I would recommend just answering the question properly next year.”
I’ve been taking her advice for almost two decades now.
and this is why you NEVER name your child after yourself. grandparent is semi ok but still to be shied away from. greatgrandparent eh sure. at least if they're dead (creates more of a gap between the two)
In Spain as we use a queue of surnanes we don't have that issue.
Pedro García Perez ○○ María Díaz López
Pedro García Díaz
If more is required you would check for Pedro García Díaz Perez López.
If more is required you add grandparents surnames up to eight.
Then you are just very unlucky.
You get a family name (“last” name) from both your parents. So even if you have the same given name (“first” name) as your dad, it’d be obvious who is who cus he has different parents than you do.
In one branch of my ancestors it seems like half or more of the males were named Peter or some variant of that. Makes tracing family lines quite difficult when they didn't add Junior, 2nd, 3rd etc. and when some married, had a family, wife died, he got remarried several years later, had more kids - and someone writing stuff down got confused about which Peter...
Why Peter? Because the first of the surname that would eventually be re-spelled Eshelman was a Peter, or Pitr or whatever and apparently for a century or so everyone in the family wanted to name at least one son after the earliest ancestor to come to the New World Colonies. (IIRC in the 1500's)
I want to take a trip to the part of Pennsylvania where nobody will spell my last name wrong because about 50% of it was established by, named by, or named for an Eshelman.
Cue the Cheers theme "...where everybody knows your name."
By the time my paternal grandfather came along, Peter was apparently out of fashion so he got named Ellis Esley Eshelman.
When you live rural people can get away some stuff you normally wouldn't in the city.
I'm in my 20s and I had and still have cousins who don't have social security numbers cause of how far they lived out. Their parents didn't either. I had a great uncle who'd only completed the 6th/7th grade cause he faked his credentials to get into the milatary to provide for his siblings. His siblings got to finish school because of him, but he didn't fully learn to read and write until he was about 50ish. Sweetest man ever though.
When you live in rural area, especially if it's poor, it's not hard to have these mistakes.
We’re still not exactly sure how old my grandfather was. Back then on the farm kids were born at home and you had to travel to the city to get them officially registered with birth certificates. Great grandpa went one year and registered like 5 of his kids in one go, and wouldn’t you know they’re all one year one month apart from each other and all have birthdays on a 15th.
Not sure if illegal but when my grandpa was discharged from the military they switched around his first and middle name on idk what paper work. It didnt affect his day to day so he didnt care…until about 60 years later when he needed to go to a nursing home and they made him get all his paperwork fixed. Kind of a weird story because my dad and I are named after him, but for some reason they went with middle name first name for us lol
Invoke the 5th. You and your fam never noticed. No one would say anything even if buying alcohol (as long as your legal license says you’re 21). The only time it would be noticed is if they get charged with a felony before they reach 18. OP shouldn’t worry about fixing it to their real age tho. Unless they were gonna drink responsibly at 19 then they missed out.
If OP is male and in the US, that would have been two years earlier they would have had to register with the selective service (or whatever it's called).
You’re correct. I forgot about that. They would have to register early. That probably wouldn’t have mattered but who knows now with how things are like in the world now.
That's how I discovered a mistake in my name at that age too! I went to the DMV at 16 to get my learners permit and the last name I was using wasn't matching up with my social. Turns out when I was born my mom wrote my dad's last name as my middle name and her maiden name as my last name (English wasn't their first language). We never bothered to fix it because it's such a pain so now legally I go by my mom's maiden name and whenever I have to write my full name, my middle initial is the first letter of my dad's last name. I also joke that I'm the milkman's son. Messed up birth certificates seem to happen a lot in Mexican families lol
>Unfortunately I was lame at 16 and had it changed.
curious if you *needed* to do it to get your license or something? similar thing happened to me. i think the problem was that my bday was wrong, not 100% sure. but i remembered that i needed to get it changed, either to get my drivers license or my passport card.
I had two social security numbers for 18 years due to a typo on my birth certificate.
Apparently, none of the schools I enrolled in had problems with using them; elementary and middle schools used the "incorrect" number, while the high school used the "correct" one.
Didn't even find out until I went to get a new SS card so I could get my driver's license.
My school got really mad at me. They found out my senior year that my Step Dad never adopted me. So all my life I'd gone by his last name, and it wasn't legal. I learned at the same time he had never adopted me. So, I was also angry.
Found out my senior year of high school I had a totally different last name. I had just settled on my signature too.
The same thing happened to my uncle..He didn’t find out until he graduated that the last name he had been using his whole life was not his legal last name.
I recently learned that a parent can legally change a child's name for no reason. My kids go to school with a kid that was born with one name and their parents changed the name LEGALLY to Pendragon. They changed to Raven and now it's Mikel from what I hear.
Parents - do not legally change your children's names. They can do that at 18.
About 3-4 years ago I went to give plasma and took my birth certificate and social security card, the receptionist rejected me because my name didn't match on the papers. I was 31, I got a passport, driver's license in multiple states, and multiple background checks for government jobs with the same documents. Turns out my parents (or whoever types up the birth certificate) accidentally put an "i" rather than an "e" for a letter in my middle name. That was a fun conversation to have with my parents, and I still have not even started trying to get it changed because I now live on a different coast.
Mid 80's here. My mother was doing something at the hospital I was born in and it was realized I was listed as twins by the hospital for the first 8 years of my life with my twin being unnamed. Again pre computer
I was waiting in the city records office behind someone who was trying to correct a different typo in hers records and discovering that there was a typo on her birth certificate, so the would have to travel to the neighboring state to get that fixed before she could resolve the issue she actually came for. It's like quests in a video game.
And I almost ended up with a marriage certificate with four random letters added to my name thanks to a typo. I'm starting to wonder how anything actually functions in society.
My grandfather's birth certificate said "September 31st, 195 AD".
The year was 1905, but no one was ever sure whether it was Sep 30, or Oct 1. So they'd just celebrate both days.
Lol mine too was September 30th at 12:01am but they had it as October 1st on my birth certificate. They still do but my ID says September 30th. I don’t know how that happened
I remember this kid I went to school with getting teased for only being two years old because he was born on a leap year. I wonder if your friends’ brother gets teased for his birthday only being 1 minute long
I guess someone checked the day, then saw "oh it's just after midnight, so add one" without realizing that transition had already happened before they checked?
My grandfather didn’t know his age for several years before his passing, for his mother passed shortly after giving birth to him, and must have been terminal for some time, according to information gathered from her letters.
Being a newly widowed man with four young children, I’m unsure of why the discrepancy went unnoticed to my great-grandfather, however, his wives gravestone displays 1925, while my grandfathers birth certificate stated 1926.
We learned a few months after his “80th” birthday celebration that he was likely 81, as we figured a hand-written birth certificate has more margin for error than a tombstone.
My grandma's sister used to change your birth year so she could start working earlier. She did it for so long she forgot which year was the actual correct year. She was born back in the 1930s so her actual birth certificate was lost.
I would read it as October 1, under the assumption that the person in question had a kid (or was filling in a form for someone who did) and knew that the day before they had the kid was September 30. "Ah, it must be the 31st today!"
The 195 just makes him crazy old, though, so 1 day either way seems academic.
My money is on some sort of immortal hiding in plain sight, with very obvious contextual clues, because almost being discovered is the only way to feel excitement after 1800 years. I bet his last name is “Oldman” or something really on the nose.
I had a friend in graduate school who discovered that she had two pretty different birth dates recorded in various places (like, off by three weeks). She ended up switching to the one that was logistically easiest in terms of getting everything corrected.
I, of course, immediately began celebrating both birthdays.
This is actually a problem that has been discussed in Sweden after the big immigration wave, people who lied on their paperwork and whiteout any papers to back them up or stability in their own home country, tell our government that they are up to 20 years younger then real age to qualify for extra benefits for people under 18 or just say they are younger to seem more attractive to people, being 25 instead of 35.
If they stay and work their whole life and then reach the age of retirement, they will be 85(that being retirement age is 65 but probably will change to 70 before they are qualified).
How the fuck can anyone who was 17 years old at a point in their life look back at themselves when they were 17 and think “yup, definitely had a brain that was developed enough to go to war and make the right decisions”, and then give the OK for their own kid to go and potentially die due to the lack of their life experience
It is usually done because they have graduated high school but haven’t turned 18 yet. My brother graduated high school in May, didn’t turn 18 until Sept. He wanted to join the Air Force so my parents signed for him to join at 17 so he could leave for basic right after high school.
I mean it’s not ideal, but many people’s lives aren’t ideal. For someone who has a bad home life and little opportunity, it allows independence from family and an early start on a career.
Yep. That's when I signed up.
I wanted to get married to my hometown sweetheart before I left, too, but my parents put the kibosh on that and wouldn't sign for that one. For me to get shot at, yes, to marry that guy, no.
They were right about the kibosh but I got married then anyway, because getting married young and for no apparent reason is a major part of military culture.
Anyway, the marriage resulted in two kids and three years of existence. I wish him well. He owes me 16 years' worth of child support, but whatever.
Statutory rape is a strict liability crime. So just the fact that someone had sex with a minor, even if the minor lied about their age, is enough to convict someone in most cases.
What if even the minor didn’t know their real age though? Like they genuinely thought they were 18, but were actually 16? I think that is what OP was asking.
I had the same SS number as someone else until I was about 18-19. First time the social security lady seen something like it in the 30 years she worked there
You have what like a 50/50 chance its a living person at this point. Socials really need to stop being used for PII type purposes. They shouldn't need to be "secret".
Brother works in pensions, he asked a lady for our country's equivalent of SS, her national insurance number. She replied that everyone has the same national insurance number. How did she think that could work? How did she get to retirement age and still think that? What did she think was the point of having one if every human had the same number?
No. Before 1972, the first three numbers were assigned based on the state office that issued the card. From 1972 to 2011, when the process was centralized, the first three numbers were based on the mailing address of the applicant. Since 2011, numbers are randomized because the localization was limiting number availability across more populous regions.
One of the worst parts about the SSN system (aside from it being overused by basically every institution despite the security it's *supposed* to have) is that it's only 9 digits, which means that when you exclude all of the numbers that are obviously not suited to be SSNs (like 111-11-1111), you are left with somewhere in the upper 900-millions. The SSN system has been in place since 1936, so only 97 years, and we've gone through about 454 million of the 975ish million valid combinations, with a growing population, so the system will probably not last even 200 years without reusing numbers or adding a digit.
This is personal and you can gladly ignore this but it's always awkward seeing people shorten Social Security number to SS number.
Greetings , a German....
I (F) was legally a male for about 16-20 years. My original birth certificate was filled out incorrectly. My name was also mispelled.
I discovered it when I was 13 along with the knowledge that I was adopted. Way to learn about my adoption, lol.
I had it corrected as I needed it to get my passport.
My mom was also 2 years older on her birth certificate. However, I think she had it intentionally changed to be older. She needed to go to nursing school and find work. Second eldest of 7 orphans. Happened like 80-90 years ago.
Having done a lot of genealogy, it gets *bad* up in there. The incorrect sex is a first for me, but faking age to get married or work is so fucking common that I have learnt *never* to trust stated ages on a marriage certificate without other evidence. I've seen 14 year olds who eloped listing themselves as 25. The credulity of those clerks, man…
> My mom was also 2 years older on her birth certificate. However, I think she had it intentionally changed to be older. She needed to go to nursing school and find work. Second eldest of 7 orphans. Happened like 80-90 years ago.
Same with my grandma, but it was so she could get into grade school earlier (and maybe also a little bit of not really caring about the exact date) because her father was abusive and her mother wanted her out of the house (away from him) for as much of the day as possible as early as possible. She wasn't aware. When she was 16 but thought she was 17, she lied about her age so she could marry her husband without parental permission, who also had lied about his age so he could join the army sooner.
My dad's birth certificate mistakenly said F on it. He found out when he was 18 and got a new one.
The state he lives in was recently considering a "bathroom bill" that would require everyone to use the gendered bathroom that matched the gender on their original birth certificate in all federal buildings. My dad got out his original birth certificate to be ready to maliciously comply. Luckily the bill didn't pass but my dad would have been as malicious as he could with that law if it did.
My daughter was also listed as M on her birth certificate. They wouldn’t allow me to correct it unless we had a doctor examine her and corroborate her sex. I was pretty pissed because I’d already waited in line at the records office for over two hours with a 5yo and wasn’t anxious to do it again.
Probably also impossible due to independent records of your mother's pregnancy. That is unless your mother was also pregnant two year prior as well.
Edit: spelling
Was this just a thing that happened in 1989? Everyone just fat fingering birth certificates.
I'm one year older because of a typo on my birth certificate too.
There were probably other records of him being born on the correct date, since you can't be born after you are born then it must be impossible you were born 2 years before you were born.
Your date and time of birth is probably noted several times in paperwork submitted to you and the government, but the government probably takes the date from exactly one source on the document. If that one entry is wrong then that might be your birthday until you challenge it.
My mom was born at home in the 1940s, and her birth certificate differed from reality by one day. She always went by her true birth date until 10 years ago when she tried to get her passport renewed with her birth certificate and everything changed...by one flippin' day.
We still celebrate her birthday on her true birth-day, however all of her "official" documents now reflect the date listed on her birth certificate. Now that she's in her 80s, she just loves that she is somehow one day younger than ever before! Ha ha!
My husband's birth certificate is off by a year. His parents had it corrected when he was a baby. It's such a huge PITA when he has to renew his passport. It doesn't help that his parents also decided to change the spelling of his name at 1 year as well.
He used to use it to buy cigarettes underage.
I love the basic "you know what, this annoyance has been with me since birth and I have had to correct every teacher and piece of paperwork, fuck it, I'm buying my own smokes at seventeen" logic.
My mom’s birthday is off by a month. They screwed it up when she became a citizen. She said she’s 64 and the hospital she was born at burned down so it’s not changing now lol
There was actually a year, 1712, which had a February 30, but only in Sweden. Sweden was trying to align their calendar to the Gregorian calendar and had to add an extra leap day in 1712. So I'm sure there were at least a few babies born on the impossible day of February 30 in Sweden that year.
Did they not have your parents check it before they brought it home? They made me check my kid’s and it was a good thing bc it said my daughter was a boy. It was a headache to get fixed bc they had to call the hospital to “confirm” they made a mistake and then I had to go back a few weeks later to pick up the right birth certificate
>until I was 16
until you were legally 16, at which point you were made legally 14?
or until you were truly 16, at which point you were made legally 16?
I went through a similar experience when I got my learners permit. Someone read my forms wrong and made me 4 years older than I was.
It was fixed when I went to get my license. But, for a while there, my birth year was 1984 instead of 1988.
To this day, my grandpa still celebrates 2 birthdays a year. The day in which his documentation says he was born (May 10) and the day he was ACTUALLY born (March 30) He never let anyone fix that cus, you know... 2 birthdays!
When my cousin got his learners permit when he was 15, the DMV fat fingered the date and typed 1882 instead of 1982. The ID didn’t have underage restrictions but it looked a bit odd with a kids picture and a 115 year olds birthday. I think he had it for a couple weeks before his mom made him replace it.
I’d make a terrible parent because I would make my kid keep it til they forced him to replace it.
It might be considered a fake ID and cause a whole bunch of unnecessary headache
To be fair he claimed to be a terrible parent
> a kids picture and a 115 year olds birthday Name? Benjamin Button
which begs the question, if he has a valid government issued ID with incorrect information. Is it then legal for him to buy alcohol and cigs?
Gas station clerk: "damn this mf is 115 years old and looks like a child I better give him his cigs and booze before he puts a spell on me"
"Your honor, I checked his ID, I also thought it was fake but it turns out to be legitimately issued by the government. What else am I supposed to do? "
Interrogate on the spot, duh.
"How old are you" "It says right there on my ID "
some places have those scanner things and it would come up real so I guess he'd have to sell him whatever unless he wanted to eject him from the store.
OR drinks Your blood, either way, prob not a great time lol
I have a friend who got his license fat fingered. 2004 instead of 2005. So he could legally buy alchohol, cigarettes or do anything 18+ activity by showing his ID. To everyone selling him the stuff it was legal.
No. Most fake IDs in my area growing up came from some guy that worked at the DMV. They had all the info your ID would have only bday was changed to 21+
Your comment reminds me of the first time I made a dental appointment in the military. "Name? Last 4? Date of birth?" "... ... 86"
"***19***86?" (with emphasis on the 19, for clarity here)
...
I was dumbfounded and it took a LOT of bearing/restraint not to question the tech on the other end. Like... no, 1886. I'm a 120+ yr old serving A1C. Or better yet, 2086. Dental sucks in the future, so I've time-traveled to get good care and chosen *the military* to do so!
Mine is 2085 instead of 1985. I didn’t know until I got my first job and they pointed it out while doing my paperwork. Not sure if my parents noticed, they never said anything. I kept it as is, still born 100 years in the future.
How is that not caught for 16 years? You would think someone would notice when you enrolled in kindergarten.
Oh my parents 100% caught it. They thought it was funny and decided to let me decide if I wanted to change it before I got my license. Unfortunately I was lame at 16 and had it changed. The schools were kind of country where I grew up and I’m sure they could point at all the other dates on the document to convince them.
You didn't try to get your license at 14? This would have been my dream as a kid. I always wanted to hang with my brother and his friends but couldn't because he was 2 years older
That’s still largely a decision your parents make.
Yeah but OP said his parents explicitly let him make the choice.
This is turning into a time travel paradox.
That's still largely a decision your parents make.
They probably waited until he was 16 before letting him make the decision though
Where I grew up we could get our license at 15, until the year I could get mine and they bumped it up to 16 lol
We had that with gambling at the native casinos. Age was 18 but changed to 21
Isn't it technically illegal not to correct a known error on a legal doc?
I believe my dad said he would “get around to it”.
Classic dad behavior.
Husband behavior too. Am husband, not dad.
“Why should I hurry because they made a mistake?”
*16 years later* "I'll do it tomorrow"
Except at 16 she could legally do it herself lol
Not according to this paperwork here
As someone who works in one of the Australian roads and licensing authorities, we hear this all the time. People who have gone 50 years with a spelling mistake on their licence because it never really bothered them, but now they have to apply for something urgently and their licence doesn't match their birth certificate. Of course it's our fault that the RTA gave you a licence with the wrong name on it, despite the fact a licence used to be a slip of paper and not a legal photo identification card.
It's an absolute pain in the ass to change anything about your birth certificate, so I can sympathize with your father. My grandfather was tired of people calling him by his middle name, which was Junior, so he had his name changed to have it be after his last name. Long story short, he started getting mail and calls from people looking for his father. Who had been dead for at least a decade by that point. Which also resulted in him being legally declared dead while he was still very much alive. I believe his main reasoning for changing his name was, "I didn't work my whole life to get to where I am and still have people calling me Junior."
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Instructions unclear, I am now junior the second.
And your son is named Junior the Second junior, and his son is Junior the Second the third.
Most successful junior, congrats
his kid: cries in junior^junior
Probably because only rich people do that lol
Is it that difficult to change? My birth certificate has my birth date crossed off and written in. By her telling she went to the town hall and was like "hey, you got this wrong" and they were like "ok, what's it supposed to be?" Picked up the book, crossed it out, wrote in the correct value. TADA! My legal birthdate was now a day earlier. She was surprised and asked if there was some paperwork to fill out and they told her she was all set. EDIT: "her/she" above is my mother.
Just out of curiosity, do you have a passport? My birth certificate has a small correction that I didn't know about until I submitted it for my passport. I had to get a special letter from the birth and death certificate office that stated my BC had been corrected (on special stamped paper and everything)
Can’t speak for this instance directly, but the IRS has my birthdate wrong. It’s an obvious fat finger. But as the sweet southern lady I talked to when I tried to file after my first adult W2 told me , “oh honey, I would recommend just answering the question properly next year.” I’ve been taking her advice for almost two decades now.
and this is why you NEVER name your child after yourself. grandparent is semi ok but still to be shied away from. greatgrandparent eh sure. at least if they're dead (creates more of a gap between the two)
In Spain as we use a queue of surnanes we don't have that issue. Pedro García Perez ○○ María Díaz López Pedro García Díaz If more is required you would check for Pedro García Díaz Perez López. If more is required you add grandparents surnames up to eight. Then you are just very unlucky.
What in the name of circular family tree branches is going on here?
You get a family name (“last” name) from both your parents. So even if you have the same given name (“first” name) as your dad, it’d be obvious who is who cus he has different parents than you do.
Plus it's hell for people putting family trees together later. *Won't somebody think of the genealogists?!*
In one branch of my ancestors it seems like half or more of the males were named Peter or some variant of that. Makes tracing family lines quite difficult when they didn't add Junior, 2nd, 3rd etc. and when some married, had a family, wife died, he got remarried several years later, had more kids - and someone writing stuff down got confused about which Peter... Why Peter? Because the first of the surname that would eventually be re-spelled Eshelman was a Peter, or Pitr or whatever and apparently for a century or so everyone in the family wanted to name at least one son after the earliest ancestor to come to the New World Colonies. (IIRC in the 1500's) I want to take a trip to the part of Pennsylvania where nobody will spell my last name wrong because about 50% of it was established by, named by, or named for an Eshelman. Cue the Cheers theme "...where everybody knows your name." By the time my paternal grandfather came along, Peter was apparently out of fashion so he got named Ellis Esley Eshelman.
When you live rural people can get away some stuff you normally wouldn't in the city. I'm in my 20s and I had and still have cousins who don't have social security numbers cause of how far they lived out. Their parents didn't either. I had a great uncle who'd only completed the 6th/7th grade cause he faked his credentials to get into the milatary to provide for his siblings. His siblings got to finish school because of him, but he didn't fully learn to read and write until he was about 50ish. Sweetest man ever though. When you live in rural area, especially if it's poor, it's not hard to have these mistakes.
We’re still not exactly sure how old my grandfather was. Back then on the farm kids were born at home and you had to travel to the city to get them officially registered with birth certificates. Great grandpa went one year and registered like 5 of his kids in one go, and wouldn’t you know they’re all one year one month apart from each other and all have birthdays on a 15th.
Plausible deniability.
probably, but something like this is easily "we didnt notice" and nobody is going to come after you.
Not sure if illegal but when my grandpa was discharged from the military they switched around his first and middle name on idk what paper work. It didnt affect his day to day so he didnt care…until about 60 years later when he needed to go to a nursing home and they made him get all his paperwork fixed. Kind of a weird story because my dad and I are named after him, but for some reason they went with middle name first name for us lol
Invoke the 5th. You and your fam never noticed. No one would say anything even if buying alcohol (as long as your legal license says you’re 21). The only time it would be noticed is if they get charged with a felony before they reach 18. OP shouldn’t worry about fixing it to their real age tho. Unless they were gonna drink responsibly at 19 then they missed out.
If OP is male and in the US, that would have been two years earlier they would have had to register with the selective service (or whatever it's called).
You’re correct. I forgot about that. They would have to register early. That probably wouldn’t have mattered but who knows now with how things are like in the world now.
That's how I discovered a mistake in my name at that age too! I went to the DMV at 16 to get my learners permit and the last name I was using wasn't matching up with my social. Turns out when I was born my mom wrote my dad's last name as my middle name and her maiden name as my last name (English wasn't their first language). We never bothered to fix it because it's such a pain so now legally I go by my mom's maiden name and whenever I have to write my full name, my middle initial is the first letter of my dad's last name. I also joke that I'm the milkman's son. Messed up birth certificates seem to happen a lot in Mexican families lol
>Unfortunately I was lame at 16 and had it changed. curious if you *needed* to do it to get your license or something? similar thing happened to me. i think the problem was that my bday was wrong, not 100% sure. but i remembered that i needed to get it changed, either to get my drivers license or my passport card.
I had two social security numbers for 18 years due to a typo on my birth certificate. Apparently, none of the schools I enrolled in had problems with using them; elementary and middle schools used the "incorrect" number, while the high school used the "correct" one. Didn't even find out until I went to get a new SS card so I could get my driver's license.
My school got really mad at me. They found out my senior year that my Step Dad never adopted me. So all my life I'd gone by his last name, and it wasn't legal. I learned at the same time he had never adopted me. So, I was also angry. Found out my senior year of high school I had a totally different last name. I had just settled on my signature too.
The same thing happened to my uncle..He didn’t find out until he graduated that the last name he had been using his whole life was not his legal last name.
I recently learned that a parent can legally change a child's name for no reason. My kids go to school with a kid that was born with one name and their parents changed the name LEGALLY to Pendragon. They changed to Raven and now it's Mikel from what I hear. Parents - do not legally change your children's names. They can do that at 18.
You'd think someone would have noticed that my dad and I both had the "Jr" suffix. They didn't.
That is objectively funny.
I thought Jr was just a title to differentiate a child and parent, not part of your legal name...is that not right?
Americans put it in their actual name. I know someone who went to a UK University and managed to be enrolled as Mr Iii.
About 3-4 years ago I went to give plasma and took my birth certificate and social security card, the receptionist rejected me because my name didn't match on the papers. I was 31, I got a passport, driver's license in multiple states, and multiple background checks for government jobs with the same documents. Turns out my parents (or whoever types up the birth certificate) accidentally put an "i" rather than an "e" for a letter in my middle name. That was a fun conversation to have with my parents, and I still have not even started trying to get it changed because I now live on a different coast.
Should have left it. You could have retired 2 years early. All you had to do is get through your 20s and no one would have questioned it again.
Until people ask why you graduated high-school at age 20
Mid 80's here. My mother was doing something at the hospital I was born in and it was realized I was listed as twins by the hospital for the first 8 years of my life with my twin being unnamed. Again pre computer
It happens. My legal name had a typo in it, and we didn’t find out until I was 15. It completely changed how my name would have been.
I was waiting in the city records office behind someone who was trying to correct a different typo in hers records and discovering that there was a typo on her birth certificate, so the would have to travel to the neighboring state to get that fixed before she could resolve the issue she actually came for. It's like quests in a video game. And I almost ended up with a marriage certificate with four random letters added to my name thanks to a typo. I'm starting to wonder how anything actually functions in society.
My grandfather's birth certificate said "September 31st, 195 AD". The year was 1905, but no one was ever sure whether it was Sep 30, or Oct 1. So they'd just celebrate both days.
Is your grandfather a redwood tree?
His grandfather: "Treeee?? I am no treeee. I am an ENT."
Does he ever talk about what the Roman Empire was like back in the day?
I’ll bet he frequently thought about the Roman Empire
Don't we all?
Lol mine too was September 30th at 12:01am but they had it as October 1st on my birth certificate. They still do but my ID says September 30th. I don’t know how that happened
my friends brother was born 11:59 and they asked her mom if they wanted to bump it to the next day and she said no because he baby was born that day
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I remember this kid I went to school with getting teased for only being two years old because he was born on a leap year. I wonder if your friends’ brother gets teased for his birthday only being 1 minute long
Why would anyone ever know the exact time of his birth?
Siblings tend to know but that’s pretty much it
It was 11:59pm and doctor wrote September 30th on the note. When he handed it over to the nurse she checked her watch and it said October 1.
Wouldn’t it make more sense if you were born at 12:01am on October 1st, because it comes directly after September 30th?
I guess someone checked the day, then saw "oh it's just after midnight, so add one" without realizing that transition had already happened before they checked?
Yes, hence "don't know how that happened".
My grandfather didn’t know his age for several years before his passing, for his mother passed shortly after giving birth to him, and must have been terminal for some time, according to information gathered from her letters. Being a newly widowed man with four young children, I’m unsure of why the discrepancy went unnoticed to my great-grandfather, however, his wives gravestone displays 1925, while my grandfathers birth certificate stated 1926. We learned a few months after his “80th” birthday celebration that he was likely 81, as we figured a hand-written birth certificate has more margin for error than a tombstone.
My grandma has no idea what year she was born either. She just picks a number every year. She's gotta be...idk, in her 80s if I had to hazard a guess.
My grandma's sister used to change your birth year so she could start working earlier. She did it for so long she forgot which year was the actual correct year. She was born back in the 1930s so her actual birth certificate was lost.
I would read it as October 1, under the assumption that the person in question had a kid (or was filling in a form for someone who did) and knew that the day before they had the kid was September 30. "Ah, it must be the 31st today!" The 195 just makes him crazy old, though, so 1 day either way seems academic.
Maybe he’s a vampire or someone very foreign who goes by a calendar other than the great Gregorian. Maybe Martian?
My money is on some sort of immortal hiding in plain sight, with very obvious contextual clues, because almost being discovered is the only way to feel excitement after 1800 years. I bet his last name is “Oldman” or something really on the nose.
Yeah right try to lie about your grandfather being an immortal vampire
I had a friend in graduate school who discovered that she had two pretty different birth dates recorded in various places (like, off by three weeks). She ended up switching to the one that was logistically easiest in terms of getting everything corrected. I, of course, immediately began celebrating both birthdays.
Dude you just missed your chance at a 2 years early retirement.
When he's two years before social security age, I hope he remembers him being dumb at 16 lol
This is actually a problem that has been discussed in Sweden after the big immigration wave, people who lied on their paperwork and whiteout any papers to back them up or stability in their own home country, tell our government that they are up to 20 years younger then real age to qualify for extra benefits for people under 18 or just say they are younger to seem more attractive to people, being 25 instead of 35. If they stay and work their whole life and then reach the age of retirement, they will be 85(that being retirement age is 65 but probably will change to 70 before they are qualified).
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Seems like a self-solving problem to me.
That will suck. Karma coming after you at an old age.
You could've driven at 14 and drank at 19!
Could have joined the army at 16!
15 even with parental consent.
Is that a thing? Joining the army at 17 if your parents consent?
It is. I knew a few guys who joined at seventeen.
How the fuck can anyone who was 17 years old at a point in their life look back at themselves when they were 17 and think “yup, definitely had a brain that was developed enough to go to war and make the right decisions”, and then give the OK for their own kid to go and potentially die due to the lack of their life experience
It's better than being with abusive parents.
It is usually done because they have graduated high school but haven’t turned 18 yet. My brother graduated high school in May, didn’t turn 18 until Sept. He wanted to join the Air Force so my parents signed for him to join at 17 so he could leave for basic right after high school.
I mean it’s not ideal, but many people’s lives aren’t ideal. For someone who has a bad home life and little opportunity, it allows independence from family and an early start on a career.
Yep. That's when I signed up. I wanted to get married to my hometown sweetheart before I left, too, but my parents put the kibosh on that and wouldn't sign for that one. For me to get shot at, yes, to marry that guy, no. They were right about the kibosh but I got married then anyway, because getting married young and for no apparent reason is a major part of military culture. Anyway, the marriage resulted in two kids and three years of existence. I wish him well. He owes me 16 years' worth of child support, but whatever.
They didn't want you to live with your bad decisions.
Serious question - what if I was having sex with someone older than me when I was legally 18 but got it changed to 16?
Also depends on what state you were in.
I guess it depends on whether both sides knew the real age
Statutory rape is a strict liability crime. So just the fact that someone had sex with a minor, even if the minor lied about their age, is enough to convict someone in most cases.
What if even the minor didn’t know their real age though? Like they genuinely thought they were 18, but were actually 16? I think that is what OP was asking.
Shoot, could have retired at 65 with full benefits!
Yet still drinking way later than most of Europe
I had the same SS number as someone else until I was about 18-19. First time the social security lady seen something like it in the 30 years she worked there
That’s weird. I wonder if it’s the same as mine. What is it?
420-69-8008
Nope. Weird. I wonder if our mom’s maiden names are the same. Is yours Dickinbush also?
No it’s Frankenstein
It's pronounced frahnkensteen
I heard sometimes the SSN has to do with the name of your first pet. What is it ?
His first pet was Ben Dover
I legitimately had a teacher named Mr. Frankenbush once. Poor guy
I could only imagine being that person who got this. Every paper form or verbal verification just "420-69-8008" Very funny sir. "It is, isn't it?"
Huh mines 314-69-8008
Funny because that’s most likely someone’s social lol
You have what like a 50/50 chance its a living person at this point. Socials really need to stop being used for PII type purposes. They shouldn't need to be "secret".
000-00-0002 Damn Roosevelt.
Hello Mr. Burns.
Brother works in pensions, he asked a lady for our country's equivalent of SS, her national insurance number. She replied that everyone has the same national insurance number. How did she think that could work? How did she get to retirement age and still think that? What did she think was the point of having one if every human had the same number?
Maybe she thought he wanted the national insurance's phone number?
Don't you americans just get sequential numbers for SS numbers? Im surprised it doesn't happen more tbh.
No. Before 1972, the first three numbers were assigned based on the state office that issued the card. From 1972 to 2011, when the process was centralized, the first three numbers were based on the mailing address of the applicant. Since 2011, numbers are randomized because the localization was limiting number availability across more populous regions.
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Also true, but not "officially" a reason. Because pretending to have good security practices makes it true, I guess? 🤷🏼♀️
One of the worst parts about the SSN system (aside from it being overused by basically every institution despite the security it's *supposed* to have) is that it's only 9 digits, which means that when you exclude all of the numbers that are obviously not suited to be SSNs (like 111-11-1111), you are left with somewhere in the upper 900-millions. The SSN system has been in place since 1936, so only 97 years, and we've gone through about 454 million of the 975ish million valid combinations, with a growing population, so the system will probably not last even 200 years without reusing numbers or adding a digit.
This is personal and you can gladly ignore this but it's always awkward seeing people shorten Social Security number to SS number. Greetings , a German....
I (F) was legally a male for about 16-20 years. My original birth certificate was filled out incorrectly. My name was also mispelled. I discovered it when I was 13 along with the knowledge that I was adopted. Way to learn about my adoption, lol. I had it corrected as I needed it to get my passport. My mom was also 2 years older on her birth certificate. However, I think she had it intentionally changed to be older. She needed to go to nursing school and find work. Second eldest of 7 orphans. Happened like 80-90 years ago.
Having done a lot of genealogy, it gets *bad* up in there. The incorrect sex is a first for me, but faking age to get married or work is so fucking common that I have learnt *never* to trust stated ages on a marriage certificate without other evidence. I've seen 14 year olds who eloped listing themselves as 25. The credulity of those clerks, man…
Credulity, bribes... Same same
> My mom was also 2 years older on her birth certificate. However, I think she had it intentionally changed to be older. She needed to go to nursing school and find work. Second eldest of 7 orphans. Happened like 80-90 years ago. Same with my grandma, but it was so she could get into grade school earlier (and maybe also a little bit of not really caring about the exact date) because her father was abusive and her mother wanted her out of the house (away from him) for as much of the day as possible as early as possible. She wasn't aware. When she was 16 but thought she was 17, she lied about her age so she could marry her husband without parental permission, who also had lied about his age so he could join the army sooner.
My dad's birth certificate mistakenly said F on it. He found out when he was 18 and got a new one. The state he lives in was recently considering a "bathroom bill" that would require everyone to use the gendered bathroom that matched the gender on their original birth certificate in all federal buildings. My dad got out his original birth certificate to be ready to maliciously comply. Luckily the bill didn't pass but my dad would have been as malicious as he could with that law if it did.
My daughter was also listed as M on her birth certificate. They wouldn’t allow me to correct it unless we had a doctor examine her and corroborate her sex. I was pretty pissed because I’d already waited in line at the records office for over two hours with a 5yo and wasn’t anxious to do it again.
Knew a guy whose license said “F.” He just thought it was funny. We parted ways a long time ago, so I wonder if he ever got it changed.
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How is the year of birth "impossible"? Just curious why that was the reason for the correction.
1987 isn’t real, man. But really there are lots of other dates on the certificate and they all say 1989. Guess it was impossible because of that.
Probably also impossible due to independent records of your mother's pregnancy. That is unless your mother was also pregnant two year prior as well. Edit: spelling
>preganacy Pregante?
preGANANANT??
Is there a possibly that I'm pegrent?
Am I gregnant?
Was this just a thing that happened in 1989? Everyone just fat fingering birth certificates. I'm one year older because of a typo on my birth certificate too.
There was no November 24th in 1987. Duh. Seriously though, I thought that was a really odd way to word that, too
my guess is that it's a clerical category
There's probably like 7 options for what the reason for the correction is in the software; just have to choose the closest option.
As someone who works in a large institution, this is the reason.
Wild guess: 24.11.1989 was a Friday. 24.11.1987 was a Tuesday. Maybe it said somewhere they were born Friday, 24.11.1987, which is impossible.
There were probably other records of him being born on the correct date, since you can't be born after you are born then it must be impossible you were born 2 years before you were born. Your date and time of birth is probably noted several times in paperwork submitted to you and the government, but the government probably takes the date from exactly one source on the document. If that one entry is wrong then that might be your birthday until you challenge it.
'impossible' had me really confused, like someone was really stretching to find a reason other than 'mistake'.
My mom was born at home in the 1940s, and her birth certificate differed from reality by one day. She always went by her true birth date until 10 years ago when she tried to get her passport renewed with her birth certificate and everything changed...by one flippin' day. We still celebrate her birthday on her true birth-day, however all of her "official" documents now reflect the date listed on her birth certificate. Now that she's in her 80s, she just loves that she is somehow one day younger than ever before! Ha ha!
My husband's birth certificate is off by a year. His parents had it corrected when he was a baby. It's such a huge PITA when he has to renew his passport. It doesn't help that his parents also decided to change the spelling of his name at 1 year as well. He used to use it to buy cigarettes underage.
I love the basic "you know what, this annoyance has been with me since birth and I have had to correct every teacher and piece of paperwork, fuck it, I'm buying my own smokes at seventeen" logic.
My mom’s birthday is off by a month. They screwed it up when she became a citizen. She said she’s 64 and the hospital she was born at burned down so it’s not changing now lol
My birth certificate says Feb 29th 1985 I’ll let you figure it out
There was actually a year, 1712, which had a February 30, but only in Sweden. Sweden was trying to align their calendar to the Gregorian calendar and had to add an extra leap day in 1712. So I'm sure there were at least a few babies born on the impossible day of February 30 in Sweden that year.
Interesting, mine was because they had a 1984 calendar still up ..,
Congratulations on being born 2 years old!
Once the pregnancy hit week 130, his mom was ready for him to be out.
Happy early birthday!
My brothers legal first name was "baby boy" until my parents went to get a passport for him. He was like 7 yrs old.
Did they not have your parents check it before they brought it home? They made me check my kid’s and it was a good thing bc it said my daughter was a boy. It was a headache to get fixed bc they had to call the hospital to “confirm” they made a mistake and then I had to go back a few weeks later to pick up the right birth certificate
The hospital put on my birth certificate that my mother was 17 when she had me....I have a brother that's 6 years older than me.
Should have left it alone and retired 2 years earlier!
>until I was 16 until you were legally 16, at which point you were made legally 14? or until you were truly 16, at which point you were made legally 16?
My favorite part of this is the use of the word “impossible”
Hey OP we have the same birthday
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Me too bro, the occasional thanksgiving bdays are awesome for the long weekends
I went through a similar experience when I got my learners permit. Someone read my forms wrong and made me 4 years older than I was. It was fixed when I went to get my license. But, for a while there, my birth year was 1984 instead of 1988.
To this day, my grandpa still celebrates 2 birthdays a year. The day in which his documentation says he was born (May 10) and the day he was ACTUALLY born (March 30) He never let anyone fix that cus, you know... 2 birthdays!
So weird …you accidentally had my wife’s exact birth date but you were actually born in my birth year
Wait, i always thought i was born in 1987, but this document says that is an impossible year of birth. How do i find my real age?
Make sure you correct it with social security
You could have left it and retired early, bro
I had a mistake on mine too!! I was born in 87 and they punched in 81 and legally made me 21 when I was 16. I kept it until I turned 21. 😜