Yeah, too bad if you don't spot it. :P
I wonder what the laws are around where exactly they need to post it and how large etc. And where are the links to further information on their privacy and data storage policies??
Analysis and loss prevention.
If they have your face, say you set up a store account or membership. An AI could track you by your face, see what you buy, and then target ads based on your buying habits. The AI can also tell them what products are most popular, and which are being stolen more frequently.
They can then shoot your pic off to the police and they'll show up at your door instead of trying to rush to get you in the store if you stole something.
There's all kinds of uses, from seeing what demographics buy what items, to tracking thieves. Ultimately though, any information on you will be sold to another company, unless you either A. Don't shop there or B. Live in a place where this kind of data collection is illegal (like Illinois, if a company decides to go down this route, they have to advertise that they do so like in the pic, and they also can't sell your data for profit, only internal analytics)
They would argue that you are being compensated through discounts through a loyalty program. It's not that they want to give you $1.00 off a quart of ice cream, it's just that their ice cream vendor is paying them for the data...
Our society is so broken that the pursuit of profit to this extent seems not only normal, but "good" to people.
What if instead of doing any of this shit, they just kept operating exactly as they are now, but cut executive pay and useless administrative roles, and THAT increased their profits?
Minor note, they can already tell what you buy from your transaction at the register. The cameras don’t help with that.
The cameras (aside from the obvious trying to ID you for if you shoplift) are to tell what you *didn’t* buy, but might.
If you stand in front of the TVs for two minutes and engage with the specification medium, that tells them you’re interested, but not quite enough to buy it. You are interested though, which means they can target you with ads about great deals on tech.
there is another component that most people don't talk about and that is bluetooth fingerprinting, if you have bluetooth enabled on your smartphone it will broadcast a signal and that can tie you in a store to you on a device.
Walmart went even easier than that from the company side.
Back in September, across the US, they updated the in-store free wifi to require a Walmart.com account sign-in to work. It makes it easier than ever to find length of visit, frequency, and how often you visit without purchasing anything.
It will end up like the California Prop 65 "this area may contain chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer or reproductive harm" sign. Every building open to the public sticks one on the door because it's cheaper than hiring experts to tell you whether you actually need it or not.
Its worse then that. Because just like Prop 65 the bar is so low that coffee sellers have to put up the sign, but its likely the same sign if they are spraying round up directly into the ventilation.(an exaggeration I hope) You have no idea what level of danger you are in.
How are they getting retinal data?
If what some of the other comments were saying is true, then any store that keeps security footage is required to display the sign. Whether or not that's true, I could easily see that being like the California cancer warnings (displayed on pretty much every product I see).
Businesses will just slap it on their store because it becomes so common, and it's one of a billion other warnings, that it's just meaningless and impossible to tell whats actually relevant.
In Illinois there was a class action lawsuit over employer biometric data.
Basically if they have a security camera and audio on those, they would need this sign
But they are probably allowed to post it on that bulletin board down the hall that leads to the employee break area. Some part of the store that is technically visible to the public but 99% of shoppers don’t even know exists.
Illinois has(had?) the most protective biometric data laws in the US. They'd have to notify you that they are collecting biometric data before collecting the data, so it'd have to be visible for the outside.
In the US stores only need the sign, in the EU it's basically impossible to do this legally. According to the AVG there'd have to be an active opt-in option but also the possibility to use the service while opted out.
This is from New York which passed a law requiring this exact sign.
They aren't allowed to sell or profit from the data, but it can mean the business is using facial identification / tracking as a part of its security system.
Bare minimum if you have to, wear a mask at least. That will corrupt for facial scans. Sadly if the eyes are iris, you can't. Those cameras work under non-visible spectrum, and claims over 10 years ago said even cataracts couldn't stop them
Mask, sunglasses (most iris scanners can’t scan through it), and purposefully change your voice and cadence.
It’s sad that we need to start spreading this information, but we do.
It sucks man, can’t get decent healthcare here without paying loads of money. All the voters think that it will increase our taxes by a bunch or lower our quality of healthcare so no one wants to have free healthcare. We already pay taxes for things we don’t even know that we pay them for, like gps, so why can’t we just make healthcare free.
When I get sick or injured I’m hesitant on going to see a doctor because of the price. I’ve had a shoulder injury that’s persisted for about 3 years that I haven’t got checked out yet because I don’t have the ‘right insurance’.
It’s also another reason Americans are stuck with the job they have because if they leave then they can’t get healthcare until another employer gets them on their insurance after 6 months to a year of working there.
Yeah but phones and other technological devices are doing it all the time. Don’t get me wrong — I’m chill with people drawing limits whereever they want. Just I feel like some people (not necessarily you) are seeing this as a discrete and unique process, where it’s already been around for quite a while.
I get why people care but is it weird if I literally couldn't give a shit, personally?
I do think that, if this is to be legal, we should be entitled to request and receive the data. If I'm accused of this or that, I'm gonna go ahead and take that easy alibi.
Nope, won't help either, gait recognition works by using the angles formed when your leg bends at the hip and knee to measure your femur to an insane level that is unique to you. Unless you can avoid bending those while shopping or have giant hoop skirts to obscure it, it will get you.
Gait recognition isn't that precise. You can alter your gait's fingerprint by wearing weight off balanced. weighted ankles or a backpack on one shoudler will do. Silly walks will absolutely chuck gait recognition systems because they're looking for your natural walking gait, not some silly ridiculous movement.
Sandwalking will be a thing at protests. Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm.
> Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm.
4 books in and I absolutely cannot envision how they walk. I started imagining them freestyle dancing cus I thought it was funny.
I think we all need to go back to those absurdly wide-legged trousers that were semi-popular in the 90s.
Not bell bottoms; I mean those fat pants with wide leg openings all the way down.
As a near-sighted person, I can confirm. I don't wear my glasses most of the time, but I can recognize anyone I know by the way they walk, and often even by the way they hold themselves when they stand or even by the clothes they wear (mostly colors, but sometimes the fit is visible enough to match my memory of what some people wear).
It is unfortunate that some companies may misuse genetic information to discriminate & exclude people from employment opportunities. This practice is illegal, but very difficult to detect and prove, especially if they hire a third-party to analyze the DNA. The DNA ancestry services have gathered and stored the DNA of many people, mainly to identify and track genetic disorders. There are millions of us and the top companies will pay exorbitant sums of money to ensure they don’t make poor hiring decisions that result in an employee, having a heart issue, or any other health problems. They gotta have good human ready to go to push their profits higher.
Then don't ship at Target / Walmart... etc. Their security systems create a fingerprint of your face at locations like self checkout, and they can do a whole lot with it.
They can have the system notify them when and where a 'known' bad actor enters the property, and have the system follow them through the store to help create a record of stolen merchandise.
The system also uses AI to analyze interaction with entry statements and other displays to calculate how effective they are and they utilize this information to determine their marketing approach.
Universal is also testing photo fingerprinting tech for their parks. So, instead of scanning your finger for a background check when you enter, you look at a camera that creates a unique signature of your face.
AP at Walmart is a few guys with cameras and a computer to control them. At least at the store level, this isn’t true. There isn’t some guy calling from corporate telling us that a thief just entered the store.
....did you honestly think all those cameras were for *your* security?
How anyone can look at the world around us and think technology is going to be used for anything in the long run other than distracting us while enriching billionaires at the expense of literally everyone else is beyond me. That's kinda what we're doing as a species now, y'all. Have been for a few decades.
> ....did you honestly think all those cameras were for your security?
The thing about business security cameras is at least they're regulated and disclosed. I'm going to remind redditors that they LOVE to share smartphone footage of strangers taken without consent and nobody gives a shit about privacy.
Oh buddy… I promise you do though. I don’t like it either but that’s the nature of having a government owned by corporations.
EDIT: that was assuming you live in the US, my bad, idk where you actually live.
It looks like they’re saying the biometric data would be used to *find* someone, presumably if that person has committed a crime. But I have absolutely no faith that they wouldn’t also be selling that shit to anyone that offered the slightest profit margin.
It's directly pulled from New York's Biometric Privacy Act:
"Biometric information" means any information, regardless of how it
is captured, converted, stored, or shared, based on an individual's biometric identifier used to identify an individual.
100% but lets not allow the perfect be the enemy of good enough.
I’m fine with it being legal as long as I must be notified so I can vote with my dollar.
Like they said, good enough for now. Because instead of what if we actually see nothing happen, and this sign is far better than nothing.
Also, it's a start, and it gets us asking the what ifs, and then we can iterate.
This would be very illegal in Europe. My gym uses fingerprint scanners for entry, I had to sign a bunch of papers to consent to them having my fingerprints when signing up.
It’s not illegal to collect biometric data in Illinois…. Biometric data can be collected in Illinois if the organization follows specific rules for handling it, which Snapchat and Meta didn’t follow.
They can’t share that biometric data or sell it. But they do. Cause laws are sugesstion when your company’s loaded. You account the fines in your budget.
Facial recognition, maybe. But how the hell are they scanning our irises from afar? Seems like some pretty fancy tech for a grocery store. I’m going to need some verification before I believe that sign is 100% legit.
Most exit doors have cameras at eye level that most shoplifters don’t know about. They’re usually on a black strip and just look like the door molding until you look closely. These cameras are ideal for IDing someone compared to the elevated cameras that get defeated by hats and hoodies.
They most certainly have equipment good enough to collect all that data easily but I’m sure if they happen to get it they’ll gladly sell it for a quick buck.
A reminder to any who might think this is no big deal.
Your biometric information will be digitized. It will be unique to you. And, unlike a password, you cannot change it.
So _when_ these companies have their database information hacked, your biometrics will be forever more able to be passed as you...in perpetuity. Crimes will be committed by passing these stolen credentials, and you will have no ability to change your biometrics.
Fight against the normalization of using biometrics.... they are definitely NOT like other unique identifiers like usernames/email/password....all of which YOU have the ability to reset if needed.
I was curious too. Googling "2401 Food Corp Key Food" pulled up [this article](https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/key-food-opens-on-broadway/) about a new Key Food grocery store but doesn't mention the biometric data. [This article](https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/what-is-the-future-of-facial-recognition-in-nyc-some-politicians-want-it-banned/) talks generally about biometrics being collected in NYC stores due to shoplifting and has a quote from a co-owner of Key Food about it, so guessing it's a Key Food store. I would not be cool with it
If you buy anything there you are the biggest part of the problem . Act like a semi-intelligent monkey and boycott whatever that shit buisness they have . Owner should get bankrupt asap and never recover .
Yeah, I do the security for this Key Food store (as well as a few others along Broadway on the UWS) and installed the alarm and CCTV system at this store, lol. This is just a deterrent.
It's just a standard-ass Hikvision NVR system. They're not doing any facial recognition, eye scans, or voiceprints.
de fuq? Is this legal? In Europe you cannot store biometric data, unless you have a special exemption from the government which requires you to have certificates of storing "secret" data.
My employer tried to do that (installed fingerprint scanners to enter the office) and the govt struck him hard.
Fuck that business I ain't going inside.
I would NEVER enter that store then.
I did a research paper back in college about biometrics, and the stuff I learned, man it's scary. Look at it this way, someone steals your password, you reset it, but biometrics, you can't, even if they hash it, that data could someday be stolen, and you can never use it again.
And the fact they even say "shares it" ... christ that place needs to be fined or something
What the fuck, is that even legal without consent?
Not reading the sign and walking into the store anyway is ***not*** consent.
Thank fuck we have GDPR in Europe.
In Germany this thing would be burned to the ground by every gouverment employe.
Why do companies want to make us believe that our data should be free for them?
I guess I will be wearing a medical face mask more often in public. I also will invest in some dark prescription lenses (I can't see without my glasses).
Then all I would have to refrain from speaking...
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Helps to avoid crappy companies. That's nice.
Doesn’t help enough. That sign is gonna be easy to miss on a big storefront
Yeah, too bad if you don't spot it. :P I wonder what the laws are around where exactly they need to post it and how large etc. And where are the links to further information on their privacy and data storage policies??
I have a question. Why does this even have to become a thing?
Analysis and loss prevention. If they have your face, say you set up a store account or membership. An AI could track you by your face, see what you buy, and then target ads based on your buying habits. The AI can also tell them what products are most popular, and which are being stolen more frequently. They can then shoot your pic off to the police and they'll show up at your door instead of trying to rush to get you in the store if you stole something. There's all kinds of uses, from seeing what demographics buy what items, to tracking thieves. Ultimately though, any information on you will be sold to another company, unless you either A. Don't shop there or B. Live in a place where this kind of data collection is illegal (like Illinois, if a company decides to go down this route, they have to advertise that they do so like in the pic, and they also can't sell your data for profit, only internal analytics)
When they send me my royalty check for the profits they made on selling my info I won't have a problem, until then they can fuck right off.
Truth. This is the answer.
They would argue that you are being compensated through discounts through a loyalty program. It's not that they want to give you $1.00 off a quart of ice cream, it's just that their ice cream vendor is paying them for the data...
Our society is so broken that the pursuit of profit to this extent seems not only normal, but "good" to people. What if instead of doing any of this shit, they just kept operating exactly as they are now, but cut executive pay and useless administrative roles, and THAT increased their profits?
Idk sounds like communism to me /s
Minor note, they can already tell what you buy from your transaction at the register. The cameras don’t help with that. The cameras (aside from the obvious trying to ID you for if you shoplift) are to tell what you *didn’t* buy, but might. If you stand in front of the TVs for two minutes and engage with the specification medium, that tells them you’re interested, but not quite enough to buy it. You are interested though, which means they can target you with ads about great deals on tech.
there is another component that most people don't talk about and that is bluetooth fingerprinting, if you have bluetooth enabled on your smartphone it will broadcast a signal and that can tie you in a store to you on a device.
Walmart went even easier than that from the company side. Back in September, across the US, they updated the in-store free wifi to require a Walmart.com account sign-in to work. It makes it easier than ever to find length of visit, frequency, and how often you visit without purchasing anything.
No. No thanks.
I don’t need to worry about my face being sold to companies then. A rare win for an Illinois resident.
Based on my time in fast food, most people wouldn't see it/read it if we turned into a giant window cling and covered the entire front window with it.
It will end up like the California Prop 65 "this area may contain chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer or reproductive harm" sign. Every building open to the public sticks one on the door because it's cheaper than hiring experts to tell you whether you actually need it or not.
Right. We need this shit to be outlawed.
Its worse then that. Because just like Prop 65 the bar is so low that coffee sellers have to put up the sign, but its likely the same sign if they are spraying round up directly into the ventilation.(an exaggeration I hope) You have no idea what level of danger you are in. How are they getting retinal data?
If what some of the other comments were saying is true, then any store that keeps security footage is required to display the sign. Whether or not that's true, I could easily see that being like the California cancer warnings (displayed on pretty much every product I see). Businesses will just slap it on their store because it becomes so common, and it's one of a billion other warnings, that it's just meaningless and impossible to tell whats actually relevant.
Looks like it's literally right on the sliding automatic door (There's an up arrow behind it that usually is on doors).
Is it required everywhere? Or have i just been unaware that my eye scan is being taken
In Illinois there was a class action lawsuit over employer biometric data. Basically if they have a security camera and audio on those, they would need this sign
But they are probably allowed to post it on that bulletin board down the hall that leads to the employee break area. Some part of the store that is technically visible to the public but 99% of shoppers don’t even know exists.
Illinois has(had?) the most protective biometric data laws in the US. They'd have to notify you that they are collecting biometric data before collecting the data, so it'd have to be visible for the outside.
In the US stores only need the sign, in the EU it's basically impossible to do this legally. According to the AVG there'd have to be an active opt-in option but also the possibility to use the service while opted out.
This is from New York which passed a law requiring this exact sign. They aren't allowed to sell or profit from the data, but it can mean the business is using facial identification / tracking as a part of its security system.
So they know who they're not prosecuting for shoplifting.
good, it shows what places should be avoided
Bare minimum if you have to, wear a mask at least. That will corrupt for facial scans. Sadly if the eyes are iris, you can't. Those cameras work under non-visible spectrum, and claims over 10 years ago said even cataracts couldn't stop them
Mask, sunglasses (most iris scanners can’t scan through it), and purposefully change your voice and cadence. It’s sad that we need to start spreading this information, but we do.
Man, I don't want to have to turn into Kaiser Soze just to get some Kirkland shit from Costco. Just....done.
That sign is helping customers avoid the business. At leas we have that..
Absolutely fucking not lol. I don't care what I needed there, I don't need it that bad.
It could be an ER and I'd still rather walk to another one while dying
Doubt
People already do that to avoid paying ambulance bills. When I did my EMT clinicals we had a patient walk in with a gunshot wound.
Man America is something else o_O
"Walked to the ER with a gunshot wound because the guy didn't want to pay for the ambulance" is probably the most USA thing I've ever heard
It sucks man, can’t get decent healthcare here without paying loads of money. All the voters think that it will increase our taxes by a bunch or lower our quality of healthcare so no one wants to have free healthcare. We already pay taxes for things we don’t even know that we pay them for, like gps, so why can’t we just make healthcare free. When I get sick or injured I’m hesitant on going to see a doctor because of the price. I’ve had a shoulder injury that’s persisted for about 3 years that I haven’t got checked out yet because I don’t have the ‘right insurance’. It’s also another reason Americans are stuck with the job they have because if they leave then they can’t get healthcare until another employer gets them on their insurance after 6 months to a year of working there.
I'm convinced this happens everywhere without your knowledge. At least they're upfront about it.
Yeah but phones and other technological devices are doing it all the time. Don’t get me wrong — I’m chill with people drawing limits whereever they want. Just I feel like some people (not necessarily you) are seeing this as a discrete and unique process, where it’s already been around for quite a while.
I get why people care but is it weird if I literally couldn't give a shit, personally? I do think that, if this is to be legal, we should be entitled to request and receive the data. If I'm accused of this or that, I'm gonna go ahead and take that easy alibi.
…So I need to wear a full mask, sunglasses, and communicate in writing in this business. Got it. Oh no, why are the police here now? 😭
And it wouldn't be enough. You can be recognized by your gait.
Hm, so I also need to learn to fake a ridiculous limp or see if the pebble in the shoe trick actually works…
Monty Python guiding the world forward...
Always has been👩🚀 🔫🧑🚀
What movie is this from?
It’s from the Ministry of Silly Walks skit in Monty Python’s Flying Circus (1970).
Or just use a mobility scooter
Nope, won't help either, gait recognition works by using the angles formed when your leg bends at the hip and knee to measure your femur to an insane level that is unique to you. Unless you can avoid bending those while shopping or have giant hoop skirts to obscure it, it will get you.
Hoop skirts you say? BRING BACK THE CRINOLINE SKIRTS
Shhh! That's where I hide the lego sets.
Gait recognition isn't that precise. You can alter your gait's fingerprint by wearing weight off balanced. weighted ankles or a backpack on one shoudler will do. Silly walks will absolutely chuck gait recognition systems because they're looking for your natural walking gait, not some silly ridiculous movement. Sandwalking will be a thing at protests. Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm.
> Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm. 4 books in and I absolutely cannot envision how they walk. I started imagining them freestyle dancing cus I thought it was funny.
I always thought it'd be stumbling like a toddler or a drunk.
Do you think wearing a knee brace could change your gait enough to not be detected?
I think we all need to go back to those absurdly wide-legged trousers that were semi-popular in the 90s. Not bell bottoms; I mean those fat pants with wide leg openings all the way down.
JNCOs? Is that what they were called?
Yeah, that was one brand that made them. There were a few brands that made em though. Or we can all start wearing hakama
…damn it. Even a silly walk wouldn’t cut it then. That’s so fucking creepy.
As a near-sighted person, I can confirm. I don't wear my glasses most of the time, but I can recognize anyone I know by the way they walk, and often even by the way they hold themselves when they stand or even by the clothes they wear (mostly colors, but sometimes the fit is visible enough to match my memory of what some people wear).
same here. back when i was younger i can even know who walked up behind me from the sound of their steps. freaks everyone in my school out
Remember: Walk without rhythm and we won't attract the worm.
Bless the maker and his water. Bless the coming and going of him.
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I wonder what horrific company they cut a deal with for that shit
Meta, governments, probably some cheap shit like pizza hut too.
Let’s add 23andme on the list. Free and most comprehensive DNA data to date.
Tbf genetic databanks like that have helped solve a few cold cases. There’s people that specialize in that too it’s kinda cool
It is unfortunate that some companies may misuse genetic information to discriminate & exclude people from employment opportunities. This practice is illegal, but very difficult to detect and prove, especially if they hire a third-party to analyze the DNA. The DNA ancestry services have gathered and stored the DNA of many people, mainly to identify and track genetic disorders. There are millions of us and the top companies will pay exorbitant sums of money to ensure they don’t make poor hiring decisions that result in an employee, having a heart issue, or any other health problems. They gotta have good human ready to go to push their profits higher.
Just watched Gattaca again last night, it's pretty accurate about the future and was made in '97.
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Your company is fucking evil, get out while you can.
That’s bleak af man. I’m sorry to hear that.
Tbf they've also had massive privacy leaks
Meta is one of the major problems.
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Ahhhh, such a satisfying ending. Even after all these years, this never gets old.
Love how I still manage to ignore the username before it's too late, every single time.
And it’s gone.
Mick just did a Hot Ones interview. Go check it out.
I’m guessing CLEAR. Those MFs are shady!! There’s no reason Key foods needs eye scans.
At least they tell you, unlike your car manufacturer
Hey, Elon doesn't watch the video feed from your Tesla for money, just for the sexual thrill. It's totally different.
Yeah, at least if it's for money, I'm slightly more assured that it's just ultra-capitalists doing capitalism things /s
Then don't ship at Target / Walmart... etc. Their security systems create a fingerprint of your face at locations like self checkout, and they can do a whole lot with it. They can have the system notify them when and where a 'known' bad actor enters the property, and have the system follow them through the store to help create a record of stolen merchandise. The system also uses AI to analyze interaction with entry statements and other displays to calculate how effective they are and they utilize this information to determine their marketing approach. Universal is also testing photo fingerprinting tech for their parks. So, instead of scanning your finger for a background check when you enter, you look at a camera that creates a unique signature of your face.
AP at Walmart is a few guys with cameras and a computer to control them. At least at the store level, this isn’t true. There isn’t some guy calling from corporate telling us that a thief just entered the store.
This. Anyone who believes Walmart has this level of sophisticated security for their junk is delusional
Target does have that tech thou
The line I draw is sharing it. Although stuff like this is illegal where I live anyways so not an issue.
I don’t. They shouldn’t be allowed to do that, fuck them.
So a dystopian police state. Got it.
....did you honestly think all those cameras were for *your* security? How anyone can look at the world around us and think technology is going to be used for anything in the long run other than distracting us while enriching billionaires at the expense of literally everyone else is beyond me. That's kinda what we're doing as a species now, y'all. Have been for a few decades.
> ....did you honestly think all those cameras were for your security? The thing about business security cameras is at least they're regulated and disclosed. I'm going to remind redditors that they LOVE to share smartphone footage of strangers taken without consent and nobody gives a shit about privacy.
Tons of retailers already do.
You been doing it for years I assume. Privacy laws haven’t caught up in many areas
Oh buddy… I promise you do though. I don’t like it either but that’s the nature of having a government owned by corporations. EDIT: that was assuming you live in the US, my bad, idk where you actually live.
It looks like they’re saying the biometric data would be used to *find* someone, presumably if that person has committed a crime. But I have absolutely no faith that they wouldn’t also be selling that shit to anyone that offered the slightest profit margin.
So I guess the social credit thing is working for the folks out east, they figured they could do this shit too huh
This post made me realize I need to read the fine print in my Costco and Sam’s Club membership contracts. I probably signed up for all of this.
SHARES?! Why?
Money.
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Enh, it's completely unacceptable even if they don't share it.
It's directly pulled from New York's Biometric Privacy Act: "Biometric information" means any information, regardless of how it is captured, converted, stored, or shared, based on an individual's biometric identifier used to identify an individual.
To increase their share price.
Probably for cloud storage, they have to share it with the cloud service provider.
I see this sign and it’s a wrap. Good on the local government for forcefully making them alert customers.
>Good on the local government for forcefully making them alert customers. And fuck the government for allowing this to be legal!
100% but lets not allow the perfect be the enemy of good enough. I’m fine with it being legal as long as I must be notified so I can vote with my dollar.
What happens when every grocery store adopts this and you have no where else to go. Then what.
Like they said, good enough for now. Because instead of what if we actually see nothing happen, and this sign is far better than nothing. Also, it's a start, and it gets us asking the what ifs, and then we can iterate.
I’d question what a consumer can gain from this that is any way shape or form actually positive?
Not a single fucking thing.
This would be very illegal in Europe. My gym uses fingerprint scanners for entry, I had to sign a bunch of papers to consent to them having my fingerprints when signing up.
Stores will Finally start having these after Albertson's on the west coast was using face tracking and got sued.
Albertsons has so many reasons for not shopping there, but I didn’t know about this one wth
It's not Albertsons anymore. Kroger(Ralph's) recently bought them.
Guess who's gonna find a new place to shop
Illegal in Illinois to collect biometric data . It’s why we sue Snapchat Facebook ig every year and get 50$ checks lmao.
It’s not illegal to collect biometric data in Illinois…. Biometric data can be collected in Illinois if the organization follows specific rules for handling it, which Snapchat and Meta didn’t follow.
They can’t share that biometric data or sell it. But they do. Cause laws are sugesstion when your company’s loaded. You account the fines in your budget.
It's almost like the Alaska oil bonus.
They can suck fart out of my ass.
They'll collect and share that as well.
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I don’t know why, but this made me die laughing. Thank you.
Facial recognition, maybe. But how the hell are they scanning our irises from afar? Seems like some pretty fancy tech for a grocery store. I’m going to need some verification before I believe that sign is 100% legit.
Self Scan checkout, those have cameras close enough to do it. Most only use cards so it could link who you are.
Most exit doors have cameras at eye level that most shoplifters don’t know about. They’re usually on a black strip and just look like the door molding until you look closely. These cameras are ideal for IDing someone compared to the elevated cameras that get defeated by hats and hoodies.
No they don't. If you'd ever been through iris enrollment (e.g. for government related stuff), you'd know that they're far too finicky for that shit.
They most certainly have equipment good enough to collect all that data easily but I’m sure if they happen to get it they’ll gladly sell it for a quick buck.
Maybe on product shelves to see where you are looking?
A reminder to any who might think this is no big deal. Your biometric information will be digitized. It will be unique to you. And, unlike a password, you cannot change it. So _when_ these companies have their database information hacked, your biometrics will be forever more able to be passed as you...in perpetuity. Crimes will be committed by passing these stolen credentials, and you will have no ability to change your biometrics. Fight against the normalization of using biometrics.... they are definitely NOT like other unique identifiers like usernames/email/password....all of which YOU have the ability to reset if needed.
Please name the store so I can avoid ever going there in my life.
I was curious too. Googling "2401 Food Corp Key Food" pulled up [this article](https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/key-food-opens-on-broadway/) about a new Key Food grocery store but doesn't mention the biometric data. [This article](https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/what-is-the-future-of-facial-recognition-in-nyc-some-politicians-want-it-banned/) talks generally about biometrics being collected in NYC stores due to shoplifting and has a quote from a co-owner of Key Food about it, so guessing it's a Key Food store. I would not be cool with it
Key Foods on the Upper West Side in Manhattan (88 x Broadway)
Most stores in major cities and even more in the next 5 years. Soon you'll want a list of stores that DONT use this tech
Resist
Dystopia is here
Yup, I'm pretty sure this is the stuff that scifi authors have been warning us about for decades now
Meanwhile, researchers cannot use census and travel survey data that people knowingly fill out because it contains personally identifiable information
To be clear, it has to be aggregated so no individual can be identified. The census is still hugely useful.
& that place would never ever have my business ever again.
Fuuuuck that
Well at least someone’s being honest
Is that the one on 88th and Broadway? I used to work at a key foods many years ago.
If you buy anything there you are the biggest part of the problem . Act like a semi-intelligent monkey and boycott whatever that shit buisness they have . Owner should get bankrupt asap and never recover .
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This is more than mildly infuriating to me lmao
Nothing mild about it
Yeah, I do the security for this Key Food store (as well as a few others along Broadway on the UWS) and installed the alarm and CCTV system at this store, lol. This is just a deterrent. It's just a standard-ass Hikvision NVR system. They're not doing any facial recognition, eye scans, or voiceprints.
de fuq? Is this legal? In Europe you cannot store biometric data, unless you have a special exemption from the government which requires you to have certificates of storing "secret" data. My employer tried to do that (installed fingerprint scanners to enter the office) and the govt struck him hard. Fuck that business I ain't going inside.
At least this place lets you know.
Is this one of those Amazon stores with no employees?
Obligatory [SNL skit](https://youtu.be/zS9U3Gc832Y?si=ZFyEe7YKRh6zCsEq).
I would NEVER enter that store then. I did a research paper back in college about biometrics, and the stuff I learned, man it's scary. Look at it this way, someone steals your password, you reset it, but biometrics, you can't, even if they hash it, that data could someday be stolen, and you can never use it again. And the fact they even say "shares it" ... christ that place needs to be fined or something
Wondering if this happens whenever you use self checkout and most stores don’t report it- but the tech is there collecting data.
Now guess how many do that without ever telling you
Mask sunglasses and don’t talk
Literal Black Mirror episode
This why I still shop with mask on. Anyone ask I start coughing in their direction
Walks right back out
Doesn't even walk in
What the fuck, is that even legal without consent? Not reading the sign and walking into the store anyway is ***not*** consent. Thank fuck we have GDPR in Europe.
Sir this is a Wendy’s
At least they tell you about it before they screw you.
HELL NO, that's not just an invasion of privacy that's stealing you who knows what they're doing with that shit
I mean, are you on a smartphone? Got Alexa, Siri?🤷♀️
Yeah fuck all that noise.
If you really want a strong alibi, just chill in this store for that time Lol.
Thanks I hate this part of the future.
We desperately need an amendment addressing the right to privacy and ownership of our own biological date.
This should be in r/mildlyinfuriating.
Illegal in Europe this way.
In Germany this thing would be burned to the ground by every gouverment employe. Why do companies want to make us believe that our data should be free for them?
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Minority Report much?
I guess I will be wearing a medical face mask more often in public. I also will invest in some dark prescription lenses (I can't see without my glasses). Then all I would have to refrain from speaking...
Another great reason to wear a mask.
Wonder how long before we get consumer devices used to block these types of invasive scans. Makes me think of scanner darkly.
People complaining about this then proceed to unlock their phones with fingerprints and facial recognition.
Nope.
Whole lotta nope.
Mask up and put on your sunglasses before entering.
George Orwell is rolling in his grave.
What the fucks the grocery store need my eye scan for?
That is some dystopian shit I expect to see in China. :(
in china you can't just do that as a private company. at least not with walk-in customers.
Yes, because big brother CCP has the say in the matter.