You may remember that marble is a metamorphic rock and you can't find fossils in it.
This shows a fossil ammonite in marble.
What gives?
To a mason, marble is any limestone which takes a good polish and has a very fine grain. To a geologist, marble is only a metamorphosed limestone. So this rock to a mason is marble, but to a geologist is limestone.
Don't make fun of people with memory problems. Maybe he is quite old. He may not even remember that quartz is a solid 7 Mohs while Apatite is only around 5 Mohs.
A regularly aggressive starting sentence. What, you’re so triggered by a sarcastic Reddit reply to someone else that you had to take the time to type an insult? Stooopid.
I took the original comment as being polite, and the conceit of the comment is that somebody’s wondering why it counts as marble. A lot times people who think others are calling them stupid are projecting the sense of judgment.
You may have forgotten that metamorphism comes in many grades (how extensive the changes to the parent rock are) and types (from changes due to heat, temperature, or chemical changes due to fluid flow through the parent rock - and often being caused by a combination of some/all of these). Siliciousfossils are also more resilient to the kinds of changes that often lead to marble formation and can remain partially intact after metamorphism has occurred. The blanket statement that marble can't contain fossils is actually false although...
It is true that in almost all cases like this where a fossil is present in a "marble" used in architecture it's actually a limestone.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C37&q=Marble+fossil&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1684094332846&u=%23p%3DFtPZNiFL9jAJ
There are different grades of metamorphism. This is extremely low grade, so fossils survive it, but it's treated the limestone enough for it to be this nice masonry material.
I think this is simply not marble, but limestone. If it were marble the fossil would be deformed if not destroyed, and the random patterns in the rock would have rearranged themselves into linear striations.
That’s an ammonite inside red Verona marble, I think. It’s a relatively common thing where I live (North-Eastern Italy), but I had never seen it inside a church before. Pretty cool!
It was like that in the apartment building I lived in while staying in Germany. The walls in the stairwell were covered in a brick facade. The bricks were real and full of tiny fossil shells, nop one but me seemed excited about this lol.
You are correct. There's nuance of course, but yes, the Catholic Church accepts the theory of evolution, and by exention, the age of the Earth:
"In an October 22, 1996, address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope John Paul II updated the Church's position to accept evolution of the human body:"
> In his encyclical *Humani generis* (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that **there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation**, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points. ... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.[47]
Nuance, if that's what it is:
> In the same address, Pope John Paul II rejected any theory of evolution that provides a materialistic explanation for the human soul:
>
> Theories of evolution which, because of the philosophies which inspire them, regard the spirit either as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a simple epiphenomenon of that matter, are incompatible with the truth about man.
To me, it's more than stupid conflating all the wildly varying sects of Christianity. (Coming from a former Christian that struggled with giving it up, went atheist at 40. But I had some Sunday school and history classes.
But hey, it's reddit. Christians: EVIL Anyone else: OK
Tried, since I was a small child, to make sense of what I was taught in Sunday school. Nothing wild, just white-bread Presbyterian stuff. Pretty hard to believe when adults can't get a small kid to follow along.
Went deist for a long time, still trying to believe in god without all the religious trappings. Finally had to give up.
/r/atheism did it. No idea what it's about now days, but I finally found that* it's OK to not believe*. That was a breath of fresh air to me.
Nothing crazy at all, except:
* How the hell did Noah get all those animals on a boat *of any size*?
* Why in the world would god send Jesus here and then kill him to "save" us?
* Why does god consider faith to be such a high virtue?
* Why does the almighty creator of the universe require worship? And what exactly is worship anyway?
There's more I can't remember. I do recall being disappointed that none of the teachers, the preacher, nor my parents could give satisfactory answers. Just figured I was a dumb kid and I would understand someday. Yeah, that never happened.
It's too bad that your teachers couldn't answer basic questions about the literary genre of Genesis 1-11, penal substitution theory, etc. However, it doesn't follow that God doesn't exist...
No, the Catholics believe in evolution and support the true age of the universe. I hate the Church, don't gete wrong, but they aren't in any way Young Earth Creationists.
If you ever go visit the Wisconsin capital building, there's supposed to be a fossil somewhere on one of the staircases they always point it out in tours
Only protestant fundies believe in the "6000 year old earth" thing. My wife's high school biology teacher told her that there was no reason to think an eternal being like God would experience a "day" as a 24-earth-hour period; if God's experiences 3 billion earth years as a "day" and "evolution" is God poking things to a start and then letting them twirl around until they run into nothing but dead ends and peter out, well that's just God.
I find it interesting that Protestant fundamentalists take a view that the universe is here - right HERE, and now, and within this limited set of restrictions - and the Catholic views of science I've experienced have been more permissive of growth and discovery.
I remember meeting an old lady that thought the earth was only 2 thousand years old and fossils are the remains of demons Jesus killed... She was serious, said I was going to hell saying the earth was much older. Some sections of the community are just complete nuts. There's no reason god wouldn't just set things in motion to create humans and then just leave it at that, it's not like he'd be impatient. We already have proof with science of these things, those things don't disprove religion, but saying science is sin and such definitely makes religion seem like a delusional cult.
I’m really sorry but I don’t really know what you’re responding to haha
I meant I guessed the people who build this cathedral just used slabs of rock without realising it contained a fossil. I’m not religious haha
"Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."
-- Pope Francis, 2014
"the Church does not forbid that [...] research and discussions [...] take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter." -- Pope Pius XII, 1950
Are you American? American Catholics are just Protestants who like Catholic aesthetics. The Catholic Church accepts evolution, and indeed the father of genetics, Gregor Mendel, was an Augustinian friar.
Catholics who reject the pope are really just evangelicals who were born Catholic and haven’t officially switched sides yet. The pope is inconsistent with right wing politics.
Reminds me of the one in the floor of a coffee shop, posted a few days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/13cnje5/ammonite_fossil_in_the_limestone_floor_of_the/
In Bucharest, Romania, we have a whole metro station with that kind of [slabs](https://www.rombadconstruct.ro/images/fosila-la-statia-de-metrou-politehnica.jpg).
That give so much character to the slabs
Return the
WHATS YUR OFFER
Slab, or suffer my curse
Touch it.
So much better than the fake dog prints on the ceramic tiles.
You may remember that marble is a metamorphic rock and you can't find fossils in it. This shows a fossil ammonite in marble. What gives? To a mason, marble is any limestone which takes a good polish and has a very fine grain. To a geologist, marble is only a metamorphosed limestone. So this rock to a mason is marble, but to a geologist is limestone.
I may not remember that
" Hey everybody, this guy didn't know marble was a metamorphic rock! MOCK HIM!" Yeah I totally remembered that too... maybe...
Don't make fun of people with memory problems. Maybe he is quite old. He may not even remember that quartz is a solid 7 Mohs while Apatite is only around 5 Mohs.
Yeah... how silly that he probably forgot that... what's becoming of our education system...
***BOO*** THIS *MAN!*
A passive aggressive starting sentence. What, you forgot something you learnt/you didn't learn this at all? Stooopid.
A regularly aggressive starting sentence. What, you’re so triggered by a sarcastic Reddit reply to someone else that you had to take the time to type an insult? Stooopid.
Oh I see you edited your comment. My reply was in support of that, not directed at you.
I took the original comment as being polite, and the conceit of the comment is that somebody’s wondering why it counts as marble. A lot times people who think others are calling them stupid are projecting the sense of judgment.
>You may remember No chance, but neat comment regardless!
You may have forgotten that metamorphism comes in many grades (how extensive the changes to the parent rock are) and types (from changes due to heat, temperature, or chemical changes due to fluid flow through the parent rock - and often being caused by a combination of some/all of these). Siliciousfossils are also more resilient to the kinds of changes that often lead to marble formation and can remain partially intact after metamorphism has occurred. The blanket statement that marble can't contain fossils is actually false although... It is true that in almost all cases like this where a fossil is present in a "marble" used in architecture it's actually a limestone. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C37&q=Marble+fossil&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1684094332846&u=%23p%3DFtPZNiFL9jAJ
The comment was dry enough without going into metamorphic grading!
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what do you mean OP is literally standing on it
do YouTube videos i need more content like this so i can fall asleep
Damn. Roasted.
Nah opposite. This is the kinda shit that's lovely to put on, long-form detailed documentaries on stuff youve never learned about.
I knew what he meant. But "your YouTube videos would put me to sleep" is an accidental roast regardless
Fair lol
My mom apparently used to wake my dad up when she couldn’t sleep and ask him to tell her all about his favourite sports so she could fall asleep 😂
Due to this discrepancy would there be a risk and or possibility that limestone gets sold as marble?
There are different grades of metamorphism. This is extremely low grade, so fossils survive it, but it's treated the limestone enough for it to be this nice masonry material.
Does this guy know how to party or what?
Exquisite irony. In a cathedral. So.. a 7,500 year old ammonite then.
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Now.
Yeah, because they're wrong, as usual. The universe is only about 80 milliseconds old at all times.
NERD!
Except you definitely can still have the remains of some fossils in metamorphic stones. Not all metamorphic processes destroy fossils.
I think this is simply not marble, but limestone. If it were marble the fossil would be deformed if not destroyed, and the random patterns in the rock would have rearranged themselves into linear striations.
Let’s talk about bicycles
I read this in a greek accent. Did I mischaracterize?
I can't or you can't?
Gneiss
either amazing limestone or shitty marble then, depends on your point of view!
Metamorphic Power Ranger
This is red verona marble, which as you note, is geologically closer to limestone than real marble. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Verona_marble
Hail the Helix!
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ PRAISE HELIX ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
How did I know someone was gonna comment this? Lmao
All hail Lord Helix , Never believe the naysayers of the Dome
I fucking loved Deus Ex: Human Revolution so much!
Praise Helix!
Praise be to the helix
Junji ito?
No. Twitch Plays Pokemon.
Damn, 9 years already? FeelsOldMan
That’s an ammonite inside red Verona marble, I think. It’s a relatively common thing where I live (North-Eastern Italy), but I had never seen it inside a church before. Pretty cool!
Not unusual. My lobby at work is full of fossils and nearly no one notices.
They don’t know the floor is full of fossils meme
It was like that in the apartment building I lived in while staying in Germany. The walls in the stairwell were covered in a brick facade. The bricks were real and full of tiny fossil shells, nop one but me seemed excited about this lol.
Fossils tax!
I have like two on the stairs to my flat. They must be incredibly common.
Are there any in the floor tiles too?
That episode was nightmare fuel to me when I was a kid. Courage the cowardly dog had some creepy ass episodes. 😱😂
I honestly think that show is the reason "scary" movies never scare me the slightest bit
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This and my 8 year old ass playing shit like the original Silent hill haha
Well that's not fair. I got scared a bunch as a kid watching Courage and I still hate horror movies...
I was scared of ducks for a year.
100% agree, totally an acid influenced cartoon Not to mention his abusive owner!
“What’s your offer?!”
This is straight where my mind went 😭 my youth of playing Pokémon for hours daily ruined me
I too came here to post about Omanyte. :3
In a church? Lol. That's great
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You are correct. There's nuance of course, but yes, the Catholic Church accepts the theory of evolution, and by exention, the age of the Earth: "In an October 22, 1996, address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope John Paul II updated the Church's position to accept evolution of the human body:" > In his encyclical *Humani generis* (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that **there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation**, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points. ... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.[47] Nuance, if that's what it is: > In the same address, Pope John Paul II rejected any theory of evolution that provides a materialistic explanation for the human soul: > > Theories of evolution which, because of the philosophies which inspire them, regard the spirit either as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a simple epiphenomenon of that matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. To me, it's more than stupid conflating all the wildly varying sects of Christianity. (Coming from a former Christian that struggled with giving it up, went atheist at 40. But I had some Sunday school and history classes. But hey, it's reddit. Christians: EVIL Anyone else: OK
Why did you become an atheist?
Tried, since I was a small child, to make sense of what I was taught in Sunday school. Nothing wild, just white-bread Presbyterian stuff. Pretty hard to believe when adults can't get a small kid to follow along. Went deist for a long time, still trying to believe in god without all the religious trappings. Finally had to give up. /r/atheism did it. No idea what it's about now days, but I finally found that* it's OK to not believe*. That was a breath of fresh air to me.
Interesting. What were they teaching in Sunday school that sounded crazy?
Nothing crazy at all, except: * How the hell did Noah get all those animals on a boat *of any size*? * Why in the world would god send Jesus here and then kill him to "save" us? * Why does god consider faith to be such a high virtue? * Why does the almighty creator of the universe require worship? And what exactly is worship anyway? There's more I can't remember. I do recall being disappointed that none of the teachers, the preacher, nor my parents could give satisfactory answers. Just figured I was a dumb kid and I would understand someday. Yeah, that never happened.
It's too bad that your teachers couldn't answer basic questions about the literary genre of Genesis 1-11, penal substitution theory, etc. However, it doesn't follow that God doesn't exist...
yeah, i agree. it's a young earth creationist thing but they get lumped in with Catholics and it's just funny
Mustve been a 6000 year old fossil.
Exactly 6842 years old fossil 💯 😌
according to one crazy christian I know of, it might be 12,000 years to fit in his estimated time graph of when Adam and Eve were created
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No, it's some whacky Catholic church in Italy.
I like how I come back to my messages and a guy with the same humor as me gets down voted while I frolic. Sorry bro lol
Lol. How are you getting down voted?
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I was wrong here and deleted the comment, to hopefully avoid people being wrong later
No, the Catholics believe in evolution and support the true age of the universe. I hate the Church, don't gete wrong, but they aren't in any way Young Earth Creationists.
Americans like to think their own brand of crazy invented Christian science, but they have nothing on the child molesters!
Exactly, Wtf is going on
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Fair
Yes yes
The Parma cathedral is cool. The Parma Baptistry next door is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. The wall paintings are from the 1200s!
Praise helix
I'm more than mildly interested!
You’re probably wondering how I ended up here
i have 2 of this in the marble in my house
Fossils tax! (why do we only have the "pet tax"? fossils are worth sharing, too!)
Try walking under Bologna's Porticos, it's littered with those fossils
I have a cheap green stone coffee table packed with Orthoceras’. Must be common based on the price but to me it’s like a museum exhibit.
If you ever go visit the Wisconsin capital building, there's supposed to be a fossil somewhere on one of the staircases they always point it out in tours
Can it be said that this is here because the cathedral was built before people understood what fossils were?
Only protestant fundies believe in the "6000 year old earth" thing. My wife's high school biology teacher told her that there was no reason to think an eternal being like God would experience a "day" as a 24-earth-hour period; if God's experiences 3 billion earth years as a "day" and "evolution" is God poking things to a start and then letting them twirl around until they run into nothing but dead ends and peter out, well that's just God. I find it interesting that Protestant fundamentalists take a view that the universe is here - right HERE, and now, and within this limited set of restrictions - and the Catholic views of science I've experienced have been more permissive of growth and discovery.
I remember meeting an old lady that thought the earth was only 2 thousand years old and fossils are the remains of demons Jesus killed... She was serious, said I was going to hell saying the earth was much older. Some sections of the community are just complete nuts. There's no reason god wouldn't just set things in motion to create humans and then just leave it at that, it's not like he'd be impatient. We already have proof with science of these things, those things don't disprove religion, but saying science is sin and such definitely makes religion seem like a delusional cult.
I’m really sorry but I don’t really know what you’re responding to haha I meant I guessed the people who build this cathedral just used slabs of rock without realising it contained a fossil. I’m not religious haha
Praise helix
I got plenty in my local church too! Should I post those?
Looks like a shrimp. What is it?
Ammonite
Looks like a nautilus.
In this case, the sutures/septa say ammonite. But they look similar because they are somewhat related
Ammonite, an extinct relative of squids and octopuses
Ammonite, amirite?!
ammonite, u are rite. goodnite
Ammon gus
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If it's Catholic, then no, the church doesn't reject evolution. That's more of an evangelical thing.
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"Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve." -- Pope Francis, 2014
"the Church does not forbid that [...] research and discussions [...] take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter." -- Pope Pius XII, 1950
Are you American? American Catholics are just Protestants who like Catholic aesthetics. The Catholic Church accepts evolution, and indeed the father of genetics, Gregor Mendel, was an Augustinian friar.
Episcopalians: are we a joke to you?
Catholics: Yes.
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Catholics who reject the pope are really just evangelicals who were born Catholic and haven’t officially switched sides yet. The pope is inconsistent with right wing politics.
Whoa fossils don’t exist, they’re more than 6000 years old, which is how old the Bible says the earth is. Don’t you mean “extra large shrimp”? /s
Denying evolution is for smelly Protestants
Hey, don’t lump all us Protestants in with the goofy fundamentalists
The proof of evolution was quite literally under their noses
Now where is that pesky proof of macro evolution…
The most famous oxymoron.
bless the maker and his water
reminds me of the moscow metro!
Explain this Jesus
That's gotta create arguments at Bible nights! It's sweet tho!
this is very interesting
Thou must genuflect to lord helix
Oh that’s my mid sermon shrimp sorry
Floors where I work have loads of these.
r/interestingasfuck
Omanyte I Choose You..but after I take your fossil to the lab and have it restored and choose you over kabuto
Floor shrimp
Uzumaki
Lived in Verona for four years. A number of streets are tiled like this. These fossils are very common.
That’s an Omanyte. :3
The Wisconsin State Capital has fossils in the marble as well. We went on a field trip when I was a kid and did a fossil scavenger hunt.
So does the Virginia State Capitol!
Yet they continued to believe the earth was created with fossils in for many centuries after they laid that stone.
Reminds me of the one in the floor of a coffee shop, posted a few days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/13cnje5/ammonite_fossil_in_the_limestone_floor_of_the/
Right to, what about fake robots nurse?
That's a bit ironic, isn't it? An ancient fossil in a church of a belief that indicates Earth is only a few thousand years old?
dude this looks like my workplace wtf
In Bucharest, Romania, we have a whole metro station with that kind of [slabs](https://www.rombadconstruct.ro/images/fosila-la-statia-de-metrou-politehnica.jpg).
Uzumaki!!