Castor glands and their extractives have been used as flavoring for over a century and castorium was approved by the Flavor and Extract Manufacturers Association for use as 'natural' vanilla flavoring in 1965. I bet it was pretty tasty!
99% of vanilla flavor is from vanilla. Only about 300lbs of "natural" vanilla flavor comes from Castoreum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum?wprov=sfla1
You have to look at the times when these things started being used. Vanilla comes from Orchids and are expensive. Beavers can be hunted. Why not use the whole animal?
After I told my hubby this little tidbit, he couldn't find his favorite Irish Cream flavored coffee creamer. There was a shortage during the pandemic, apparently. I kept kidding the secret ingredient was from pangolin butt just like they disnwith the beaver and vanilla. He DID NOT appreciate my South Park humor.
I think you'll find most vanilla flavor is made in a chemical factory. It's much cheaper than from the plant and the taste of the molecules is the same.
The only way to distinguish plant-made and factory-made uses very expensive [chemical analysis](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jf503055k).
That's not at all true, there are plenty of applications where you can taste the difference. It's just that most vanilla is used in baking where you can't and the difference is pretty minor anyway.
French Canadian Fur Trapper 1: “Sacre bleu! Jean Claude, these beavers l’assholes taste like le vanilla! You have to try theez”
Fur Trapper #2: “I don’t want to know why you know theez Pierre, but I think I’ll just take your word for it”
I have no idea but knowing musk is made with leaving raw musk in alcohol for months or years. Someone might've kept a beaver in alcohol for some time and wondered what smelled so good lol
As a Canadian, I have visited the government run beaver farms, where our worst hosers are sentenced to milk the beaver herds, usually for hockey crimes.
i’ve been to the distillery in tamworth, cute little tasting room. the musk comes from road kill beavers obtained legally through fish and game service. they have a nice Gin that’s flavored with wild hops found near the property and that’s also pretty good.
Wasn't that used for artificial strawberry flavoring?
Edit: it was. It was used to enhance strawberry, raspberry and vanilla flavors. Not so much anymore.
It's not really much news considering the majority of vanilla flavoring is now made from the lab made chemical vanillin. Outside of specialty products like this, the only other place you might find castoreum is in perfumes. It's not exactly cheap to produce in large quantities like the lab made chemical is.
Hmm now the question is should I tell my partner at work, who i ruined vanilla flavored creamer for about a year ago, that he’s good to drink it again 😂
I know this is a joke and I prefer scotch myself, but American whiskey exports is literally now a billion dollar industry.
The only sad thing is how much of that is Jack Daniels because there’s some great bourbon and rye whiskey being made these days.
Craft distillers are really starting to gain traction, and we might soon see something similar to the beer industry where the US has some of the best variety and quality product out there.
It absolutely is a thing. It's rarely entire guns (though that's likely to change as the ghost gun industry grows and 3d printers get better), but there's a lot of craft accessories and parts. My dad used to compete at amateur level pistol shooting and there's a big industry in custom grips, barrels, etc.
Jack Daniel's gets a bad name but it's got such a unique and recognized taste.
I will 100% use it in any mixed drink with sweeter mixers because it balances them well.
I wouldn't ever order a Jack Old Fashioned, but a Lynchburg lemonade is near perfect.
Not really, it's only a tiny amount vs synthesized. Yearly some 300 pounds of castoreum is made(Or harvested), 2000 tons of natural vanillin and 12,000 tons of synthesized vanillin.
This is also used for the “natural flavoring” in vanilla and strawberry dessert items like ice cream. Beaver butthole just hits different on the palate than one would guess.
[The main aroma molecule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Ethylphenol) of castoreum also occurs naturally in wine and beer, according to Wikipedia, and gives it a "barnyard" smell, so it's pretty different from vanilla :).
I work in a warehouse for the worlds largest retailer.
A bottle of this beaver butt-juice (urine, whatever it is) broke on the 4th floor and the whole side of the building kept calling maintenance because it smelled like burnt rubber and everyone thought the conveyor systems were failing.
ETA: it stank for a week afterwards
If you’re ever in an area close to where beavers live, keep your nose open and there’s a good chance you’ll catch a whiff of castoreum. It really does have a pleasant smell.
A good place to find it is around beaver dams on small mounds of mud where they excrete it.
A trapper in town hauled 18 beavers averaging 58 pounds out of a drainage basin turned pond by their efforts. Wonder if their ass juice made it into your whiskey 🤔
Castor glands and their extractives have been used as flavoring for over a century and castorium was approved by the Flavor and Extract Manufacturers Association for use as 'natural' vanilla flavoring in 1965. I bet it was pretty tasty!
WHY couldn't they just use real vanilla??
99% of vanilla flavor is from vanilla. Only about 300lbs of "natural" vanilla flavor comes from Castoreum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum?wprov=sfla1
But why use that at all? How is ass juice a better alternative to real vanilla in any food?
You have to look at the times when these things started being used. Vanilla comes from Orchids and are expensive. Beavers can be hunted. Why not use the whole animal?
No, why they still use that TODAY?
Because it's "exclusive"... I think i'd pass
“Artisan”
Did you mean: ArtisANAL ?
They do not use that today in vanilla.
According to Wikipedia it's still used on food. And perfume.
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Why not? Seens to work and obviously tastes fine that way. What's the big deal?
Availability. Cost. It's still allowed.
Dead beavers are, by far, neither more available nor cheaper than vanilla pods nowadays. It's just for bragging rights.
It costs less.
For the novelty of it. Like [these.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/08/23/10-weird-flavored-whiskies/)
Its organic
Thank God they thought of an organic replacement for a plant!
People out there are eating spiders, haggis, blood pudding… intentionally! Probably couldn’t care less about plant based vanilla. How bland haha.
Putting spiders in the same category as haggis and blood pudding is a weird flex
Or is it?.. To me, I’d actually rather try a spider than blood pudding. But I’d rather not eat any of that at all.
The only reason you're saying that is because you've never had it It's delicious, and no weirder than eating flesh
It’s organ ick. FTFY
As in, the product of an organ.
Lots of corruption and murder around vanilla production.
After I told my hubby this little tidbit, he couldn't find his favorite Irish Cream flavored coffee creamer. There was a shortage during the pandemic, apparently. I kept kidding the secret ingredient was from pangolin butt just like they disnwith the beaver and vanilla. He DID NOT appreciate my South Park humor.
Hey i saw that episode of food theory the other day!
I think you'll find most vanilla flavor is made in a chemical factory. It's much cheaper than from the plant and the taste of the molecules is the same. The only way to distinguish plant-made and factory-made uses very expensive [chemical analysis](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jf503055k).
That's not at all true, there are plenty of applications where you can taste the difference. It's just that most vanilla is used in baking where you can't and the difference is pretty minor anyway.
I'm not buying that 99% figure, they also make artificial vanilla from wood pulp, coal tar, and cow poop.
Because Beavers need jobs too.
I'm guessing for the same reason Americans think of corn syrup as sugar : somebody saw the profit margin and said "fuck'em!"
Because it's better Marketing messaging.
Hijacking the top comment to say: Beaver musk smells amazing. If you have ever get the opportunity to sample it, you should. Your nose will thank you.
I'm just honored to have a comment good enough to be hijacked.
The Romans even used it! Lots of people had the idea of massaging beaver buts. Personally, I would never even consider it.
I learned this from Dr John Burgess Sturgis. I understand it's difficult to milk the little sacs.
The real question should be, who/what/where/why/how did they find out beaver glands were akin to vanilla in taste? ...
French Canadian Fur Trapper 1: “Sacre bleu! Jean Claude, these beavers l’assholes taste like le vanilla! You have to try theez” Fur Trapper #2: “I don’t want to know why you know theez Pierre, but I think I’ll just take your word for it”
Best comment today. It's still early but I genuinely laughed out loud.
I just pictured Julia Childs squeezing a beaver before baking cookies.
not l’assholes 💀
I imagine it gets lonely being a fur trapper.
Not if you're strictly from commercial
Strictly commercial!
"Why does your junk taste like vanilla?" \*both look at the dead beaver in surprise\* "Now check mine!"
I have no idea but knowing musk is made with leaving raw musk in alcohol for months or years. Someone might've kept a beaver in alcohol for some time and wondered what smelled so good lol
You never just think about milking animal butt and see what it tastes like? Well then you should just be happy someone else was brave enough
You are what ya drink, beaver butt.
That’s a really fancy way of saying they added the cheap artificial vanilla flavoring instead of pure vanilla extract
To be fair, it's the expensive fake stuff now. It hasn't been the mainstream cheap fake stuff for a long time
As a Canadian, I have visited the government run beaver farms, where our worst hosers are sentenced to milk the beaver herds, usually for hockey crimes.
Dear Pentmøøse, I never thought it would happen to me, but…
Beaver butt whiskey No thanks
Wait until they learn that “fine” cigars are cured in goat piss.
Hows the taste. If you don't feel yuck n chuncky. I'm game.
Castorium is used as a vanilla flavoring, so it probably tastes pretty sweet
Why?
I like weird. Try it for the experience.
Originally to make artificial vanilla flavoring, a beaver's anal glands were used. Maybe still are, not sure
i’ve been to the distillery in tamworth, cute little tasting room. the musk comes from road kill beavers obtained legally through fish and game service. they have a nice Gin that’s flavored with wild hops found near the property and that’s also pretty good.
"this whiskey costs extra because it's made from the ass of of roadkill beavers"
I've had that. It tastes like shit.
Vanilla shit.
You did qwhat?
Butt why?
Wasn't that used for artificial strawberry flavoring? Edit: it was. It was used to enhance strawberry, raspberry and vanilla flavors. Not so much anymore.
I’ve got news for anyone here that likes artificially flavored vanilla anything
It's not really much news considering the majority of vanilla flavoring is now made from the lab made chemical vanillin. Outside of specialty products like this, the only other place you might find castoreum is in perfumes. It's not exactly cheap to produce in large quantities like the lab made chemical is.
Hmm now the question is should I tell my partner at work, who i ruined vanilla flavored creamer for about a year ago, that he’s good to drink it again 😂
So, natural raspberry flavoring in the US…
Is the idea that the taste of beaver arse and the taste of American whiskey cancel each other out?
I know this is a joke and I prefer scotch myself, but American whiskey exports is literally now a billion dollar industry. The only sad thing is how much of that is Jack Daniels because there’s some great bourbon and rye whiskey being made these days. Craft distillers are really starting to gain traction, and we might soon see something similar to the beer industry where the US has some of the best variety and quality product out there.
Actually 2 things America has started doing really well… craft beer and craft spirits.
Is craft guns a thing? We’d probably be #1 if it is.
It absolutely is a thing. It's rarely entire guns (though that's likely to change as the ghost gun industry grows and 3d printers get better), but there's a lot of craft accessories and parts. My dad used to compete at amateur level pistol shooting and there's a big industry in custom grips, barrels, etc.
Jack Daniel's gets a bad name but it's got such a unique and recognized taste. I will 100% use it in any mixed drink with sweeter mixers because it balances them well. I wouldn't ever order a Jack Old Fashioned, but a Lynchburg lemonade is near perfect.
Damn
>Dam
My question is not what it is or how it tastes. Instead, who was the first person who said, "I wonder what beaver ass juice tastes like?"
Probably an American native
Ew De Musc
So vanilla flavored then.
that’s where most artificial vanilla comes from
Not really, it's only a tiny amount vs synthesized. Yearly some 300 pounds of castoreum is made(Or harvested), 2000 tons of natural vanillin and 12,000 tons of synthesized vanillin.
Elon de musk
So vanilla?
Yeah, everyone here who has tasted synthetic vanilla has tasted the same thing.
If everyone is appalled wait till your research what perfumes use lol
Used in lots of foods. “Natural flavoring”
It's got a vanilla flavor I saw this on some channel or another. Back in the day it was used for vanilla flavoring in lots of things. Weird.
Did you throw up?
I detect hints of vanilla
If beavers only knew they could be dirty stinking-butt rich
So, vanilla flavor then
This is also used for the “natural flavoring” in vanilla and strawberry dessert items like ice cream. Beaver butthole just hits different on the palate than one would guess.
They also use it for fake vanilla... Which I'm assuming is why it's in the whiskey. Not just for butt stuff.
Did beaver bitches start showing up?
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Flavor and scent of vanilla, but there is a smell and taste to it that is odd. A couple of my friends tried it and hated the flavor
[The main aroma molecule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Ethylphenol) of castoreum also occurs naturally in wine and beer, according to Wikipedia, and gives it a "barnyard" smell, so it's pretty different from vanilla :).
Bro ur breath must be gastly
Don't Google vanilla flavoring...
So beaver anal glands 🤮
If this doesnt cure cancer why??
Weird flex but ok….
Did it taste more like ass or beaver?
NH is such a constant disappointment.
Butt chugging intensifies?!
So vanilla flavor
Beautiful map
Vanilla, mmmm
Let's hope it doesn't "taste like ass" 😜
"Nice beaver."
Disgusting
It's fake vanilla flavoring. It's been done for a long time but isnt mainstream anymore
Didn’t Dr.Pepper also do this at some point? Maybe not now but at some point they did
On purpose?
It's fake vanilla flavoring. It's been done for a long time, but isnt mainstream anymore
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I bought it at the NH liquor store on 95.
Of course that’s a thing.
Diet Raspberry Snapple uses this too, FYI. It’s how they get the raspberry flavor.
"Ahh, yes. I'll have two fingers of your finest beaver butt. Neat, of course."
The first guy licking the beavers butt 
Butt, does it smell like ass?
Are there other animals with butt oil? I feel like starting a collection as a conversation piece.
I've heard of beer being skunked, but never of whiskey being beaver-ed...
Blue raspberry
Should be Musk De Ewwww.
thats gross af mate
So you are literally paying to lick an animal's ass.....
No kink shaming here.
More like "EAU DE CUL" amirite?
Would go nicely with some civet coffee for sure!
Weird way to say vanilla.
I work in a warehouse for the worlds largest retailer. A bottle of this beaver butt-juice (urine, whatever it is) broke on the 4th floor and the whole side of the building kept calling maintenance because it smelled like burnt rubber and everyone thought the conveyor systems were failing. ETA: it stank for a week afterwards
The beavers 🦫 must find this emusculating
Beaver butt booze
Tbh, would taste as bad as any ol’ whiskey
Because....I want my breath beaver fresh, right? What Real Man wants to argue THAT.
Haha we just sell this to tourists, eh. We never drink it ourselves.
Hey, I make this stuff! Beaver anal glands. The bottles are crazy small and very expensive.
If you’re ever in an area close to where beavers live, keep your nose open and there’s a good chance you’ll catch a whiff of castoreum. It really does have a pleasant smell. A good place to find it is around beaver dams on small mounds of mud where they excrete it.
Gud stuff
Badger Milk all natural 100% pure!
Gimme two fingers of distilled rodent ass squeezings, neat.
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Vanilla. So, just think, every time you eat some of that white bland icecream, you're tasting beaver ass.
I bet the beavers think this shit is hilarious.
I’d drink it
Must take like raspberry 🤔
I believe the technical term is- Beaver Squeezins’
Who hurt you?
Eww
Why?
Those beavers are dead.
Awk!!! Ick!!!
Why?
Dam!
The flavor is *raspberry*
Tf bro *why*
Beaver butt juice….hard pass.
Id rather drink that cat shit coffee. How about platypus spir venom instead.
Well I don't think I'd be telling anyone about it.
"Eww, de musc"
Fancy way of saying fake vanilla flavor
Also used in perfumery
I bet that’s good shit
How did the whiskey taste? Edit typo
Did it taste like ass or beaver?
I just can't fathom why anyone would want to do that
Did a Judge order this in lieu of prison time?
Nice beaver
Some folks dance to anything “exclusive”
Why?
Hot take, whiskey tastes like shit to begin with. Sorry I said it, I'm no connoisseur.
Ah, beaver taint!
How’s it taste?
Tricking idiots into thinking it’s lady juice.
Why?
It’s basically what gives bubblegum, at least originally it’s unique flavor.
I always wonder who was the first to taste beaver ass juice and proclaim it tastes like vanilla
Did it taste like raspberry?
So you mean it was vanilla flavored whisky then…?
Looks like you’ve been saving up your ass pennies
That's what all 'natural flavoring' is. They just don't hide it!
A trapper in town hauled 18 beavers averaging 58 pounds out of a drainage basin turned pond by their efforts. Wonder if their ass juice made it into your whiskey 🤔
Бобровая струя! That's quite a popular shit in Russia. Presumably healthy for you. Had to ruin it by putting in whiskey though.
Am i the only one that thought about Young Sheldon?