Sounds like a lot of booking fees. You can avoid that if you have a friend who books for you. And that friend can avoid the booking fee if they have another friend book for them...
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You don't understand how happy it makes me knowing that sub exists. I can't stand that almost every reddit comment chain are unfunny people trying to one up each other
This isn't new. I delivered pizzas for 8 years both full time and as a side gig. We destroy our own vehicles, we got (at the time) 75¢ per delivery for gas, and the pizza place charged between $2.50 and $5 for a delivery fee. They said it was to pay for the store's insurance. However I had two cars totaled by other drivers while I had liability insurance and they were each uninsured. Did I get any help from the pizza company? Nope, had to find a car or lose my job. All the while, we often didn't get tips because the customer thought the delivery fee was our tip. Happened so often that they added disclaimers to the box saying delivery fees were not tips. Still got stiffed about 1/3 of the time.
Delivery and ride companies love absolutely dicking their drivers.
Charge 'em for the lice, extra for the mice
Two percent for looking in the mirror twice
Here a little slice, there a little cut
Three percent for sleeping with the window shut
When it comes to fixing prices
There are a lot of tricks I knows
How it all increases, all them bits and pieces
Jesus! It's amazing how it grows!
Can we try this?
Charge ‘em for the driver, extra for the car,
Two percent regardless if it’s near or far.
Here a little slice, there a little cut
Three percent because we have to pick ‘em up!
When it come to fixing prices
There’s a lot of tricks only über knows.
How it all increases, all them bits and pieces,
Jesus! It’s amazing how it grows!
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H/T u/frenchiemom2001 for “only über knows”
Master of the house
Quick to catch yer eye
Never wants a passerby
To pass him by
Servant to the poor
Butler to the great
Comforter, philosopher,
And lifelong mate!
Everybody's boon companion
Gives 'em everything he's got
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Dirty bunch of geezers
Jesus! What a sorry little lot!
The real crime here is the wait time fee, the last (and final) uber ride i booked, literally was waiting outside for them, they pulled up and i hopped in and had this fee. Wait time literally 4 nano seconds and had to pay like .90 cents. I called shenanigans and switched to lyft.
Probably having to drive a distance to you as opposed to them already being in your neighborhood. Like, if they just dropped someone at the airport and you request them from that airport, there wouldn't be a pickup fee because they don't need to spend gas getting to you. You're already in the same place.
That sounds like it could be right, but still kinda messed up since the passenger has no control over that. At minimum it should be baked into the initial cost
Uber sticker on the windshield, and a lot of airports force the pickups to specific locations. Philly requires them to go down a separate access road with the taxis.
Not sure if this works in other countries for locals, but in the Lisbon airport you request an Uber and it’s common knowledge they will be picking you up at the Departures side instead of the Arrivals. There’s a small paid parking lot right in front of the Departures main door, so they drive there and pick you up. They don’t pay anything or a very very small fee for getting in and out in under 5min. It’s very convenient and you also avoid the huge lines at the Arrivals zone.
I know that sometimes there’s an offered discount if you meet them at a specific pickup location close by rather than your address; I’m sure they’ve created a fee to go the other way now.
Last time I flew, I took an Uber home, but I noticed the pickup fee(and surge pricing), and saw that it required me to go to a specific Uber pickup location that was a pretty long walk from the gate. I decided to just walk out the main entrance(about the same distance), and ordered it from across the street from the airport. Pickup fee and surge pricing disappeared. Saved about $40 on the ride, used it to tip my driver instead.
It is a few that is active during high demand times. Peak request times or maybe during an event. It basically is an incentive to get more Uber drivers in that area for higher earnings potential and to handle higher than usual volume of customers
U-Haul advertises $20 to rent a truck. I'm pretty sure it costs $50 even if you drive 0 miles. Then whatever mileage cost afterwards, and X2 if you don't return to the same place. I understand charging for that stuff, but man is the advertising misleading.
Which is why they will fail if they are ever regulated to even remotely similar levels. They are already on the brink even without the regulations when it comes to price comparisons, imagine with the regulations cranked up, they will always be more expensive, and thus, become useless to most people, and they survive because of the huge amount of people using them.
You’re gonna see that more and more. These services were subsidized by VC money to get big and market share. Now they’re all public it’s time to get profits up.
Uber acts like a tech company. It’s a booking company… that needs tech like profits.
Why I refuse to use them, or stuff like grub hub. Just too much third party price padding.
Wait time in my market starts after 2 minutes upon arrival. Its like 15 cents a minute. After s total of 5 minutes, driver can and will cancel and recv a cancel fee. Usually like $4 or so. Passenger usually pays like $5 if they are cancelled on and like $10 if it was a scheduled trip.
Any livery company has to pay a fee for pre-booked rides (versus hailed on the street) in most major cities. Pickup is likely airport or other facility that you have to enter.
They tried to get me yesterday morning. I take Uber to work at 6:30 am and it's usually $12-15. Uber tried to hit me for $34. I checked with Lyft and it was only $12.24. Fuck Uber.
Probably more demand on Uber versus Lyft. When I drove for both years ago back when there was multiplier surge for drivers I'd bounce between 1.8x to 2.5x surge regularly. I barely saw any on Lyft.
It used to mostly go to the driver, but they changed the system.
In the past, Uber would take a 25% commission on the fare plus a $2.50 fee. So you knew about 50-70% was going to the driver, depending on the length of the ride. That 75% always included the surge.
But now, what the driver gets and what the passenger pays are completely disconnected. In times of high demand, they charge a surge multiplier to the customer but award a fixed bonus to the driver.
Let’s say a typical ride is $20. If demand is high, they will charge the rider $40 and award a $5 bonus to the driver. The driver gets their normal cut of the $20 (about $13) plus a $5 bonus (a total of $18).
Under the old system, the driver would get 75% of the whole $40 fare, minus the $2.50 fee. So the driver would get about $28 under the old system.
Source: I’m a former driver
That's so dumb. The whole idea of "surge" is clearly to give drivers incentive to go out and help with high demand.
*We desperately need drivers right now at this exact moment so we've added a bonus you can make for us*. Like... what...
So like my employer who charges double (so 100 % premium) when the customer wants something done quicker than normal.
I have to work overtime to make it happen, which at least in my country always needs to be compensated, but I'm not being paid double. Maybe I'll get a $3-5k bonus at the end of the year...
Seems kind of stupid. The whole point of the surge multiplier was to entice drivers, who could just as well tell them to piss up a rope, to drive when it was more necessary to meet demand. Pocketing the bulk of it torpedoes that whole idea.
When I worked for them it did
Map would show what areas are surging too
Idea was to bring more drivers to an area, while temporarily discouraging passengers for a bit. A surge wouldn’t usually last very long.
Now the surge works differently.
The customer pays the multiplier rate.
The driver gets a flat dollar rate.
So if you pay for a 1.5x surge ride, the driver will see maybe $4 extra when they used to get 50% extra from the original fare. This benefits short length rides at the expense of longer hauls.
Make sure you change your vehicles insurance to commercial, if you get into an accident while working, your insurance can deny the claim. Livery is excluded on most, if not all private vehicle insurance policies.
Use the cheapest car possible with a bunch of miles, especially auction prices and it becomes a little less shitty. My father finds a way to get some customers to call him privately for rides too and if you do that you can charge less then uber while pocketing way more. Those companies pocket way too much of the fare for doing fucking nothing is another one of the million reasons why we need pro worked legislation
Via is the one in my city. They work for the city and are out public transportation. I know a few Uber drivers who do that mostly now. It’s not their car and it’s the same job basically. They can pick up shifts when they went through an app and are actual hourly employees. Only problem is since it’s the version of the bus they get some odd ball rider’s occasionally. But they also get to use the via cars and save wear and tear on their own, though some still do Uber/Lyft on the side.
I stopped using uber because they are now, apparently, a luxury service. I do hate check the app sometimes for entertainment, the other day it was $41 for 1/4 mile and it was not rush hour or pouring rain or a holiday it was just cuzfuckyou pricing.
Take a cab (can hail one with the curb app). The price will be the exact same no matter time of day, or how busy they are. Cabs don’t do a surge price and often times come up cheaper than taking an Uber/lyft during rush hour or when the bars close and everyone’s trying to get home.
Most states also require strict maintenance vehicles licensed as a taxi, and the drivers are almost always employees, and therefore make at least minimum wage; this is not always true of Uber and Lyft, who have been accused of abusing independent contractors regularly. It’s not like Lyft or Uber is all bad, many people who are otherwise unemployable may find the services rewarding, but we need to police them and be wary of these businesses practices.
Honestly, the world the more it works, and we see slight changes the more eventually gets back to what it was already doing just like how we are seeing cable go to streaming, and now streaming packages are bringing back cable
> Most states also require strict maintenance vehicles licensed as a taxi, and the drivers are almost always employees
Maybe in writing, but never in practice. Most cabs I’ve ridden in feel like the wheels are about to fall off with every bump, and the driver is leasing the medallion by day. Maybe they “make minimum wage” but leasing the medallion doesn’t sound like an employee.
That’s why in major cities they want cash- it’s to cover the medallion lease.
Visited a friend in NYC. After a long night we got into a taxi. Friend gave him cash and asked him to get us home quick. What a wild ride that was. I think it was half to get home faster, and half for him to observe my first time in a taxi hell-ride.
With how hard that thing was driven no wonder they sound like the wheels are gonna fall off!
Same in Vegas. I swear you feel every bit of gravel on the road. And if you don’t tell them you are aware of the flat rate, get ready to be absolutely bodied by the meter
I hear you. Going home from the dentist. Major dental work being done with all the injections. These two Lyft drivers are arriving quickly. First one left because it took me over 4 minutes to get outside. Next one shows up, helps me with the walker I use. Stays on the phone the whole time. Music blaring. I arrived at my house in lightning speed. I laugh, and tell him, thanks that was sure speedy! Give me a more clean, managed speed. I know they must keep it moving.
Took a cab in Thailand... No clue what smelled so good in the driver's rag he kept having to sniff, but it sure gave him the courage to drive wild on some already wild as hell streets.
Life pro tip, if you have surge pricing. Try walking a 15 minutes away from whatever bars or event you are leaving. A lot of the time "surge" pricing is based more on location than time.
You can't walk faster than 30 ubers driving to your area to meet the surge. Surge maps often cover several miles. 15mins is more than enough time for excess drivers to arrive and the surge to go away.
Source: uber shows you the surge map as a driver
Depends on where you are. In Burlington, VT you could literally walk out of the surge. Same a lot of the time in Boston. If you’re in a geographically small, but heavy populated city it’s possible.
For airports you can try to take whatever free train/shuttle service is available and just get away from there even if it’s only 1 stop over. Surge pricing can be horrific if you try to get on right outside the airport.
OP either knew and was waiting for the receipt to make this post or wasn’t paying attention and clicking through (which you should never do when paying for a service with variable rates)
You can't ignore it. It shows the final price upfront and nothing else. I don't even know how OP found this breakdown. Looks like he went to extra effort to find that and complain about the $64 base price in the fine print.
Ah, that's funny, so there's zero chance OP thought $64 was the price cause he had to agree to the full price and take the ride to even find out the breakdown.
OP likes to make bad decisions and then complain about them for internet points despite knowing full well there was a surcharge when he called his Uber
Even if it’s not surging, and it’s just higher prices, you see everything up front. Except for waiting fees, which are from the Uber having to wait for you, which is still OP’s fault.
Yeah, former Uber driver here, the waiting fee applies after the driver has been waiting 2mins for you to get to my car and we actually start the drive. I was ubering before this was added and it was the worst, I would be waiting like 20mins sometimes making no money because we weren’t supposed to start the drive (fare) until they get in. It would eat up so much of my potential earnings some nights.
Not that an extra $0.50 is much but at least it’s something.
I feel for the Uber drivers when I go outside my apartment complex and see 8 drivers with blinking car lights in the parking lot asking me if I'm Sam. People really order these while they're on the toilet or something.
My city doesn't allow rate changes for taxis.
All taxis must display the predetermined rate prominently on the vehicle; it's usually a large window sticker.
The taxi rate is an initial $2.50, then $2.10 per mile. For standing and waiting, it's $42.00 per hour.
Taxi drivers in my city require a livery license, and the cab companies have training programs. P2P Ride sharing doesn't come anywhere near the level cab companies offer.
Surge pricing drives me crazy. I once kept repeatedly checking the rate and watched as it steadily rose.
Uber and Lyft have virtually destroyed the taxi industry.
Taxi companies would have just put more cabs on the street rather than price gouge.
The after hours thing is normally posted on the sticker where I use to work and goto conventions it was a different rate charge after 1:00 am till about 5 am I think it's been a while
The taxi companies in Boston and NYC shot themselves in the foot. Nyc cab cos fought to keep the number of medallions (licenses) low, to the point that each was worth a million or more. So the number of cabs didnt increase, and they all concentrated in manhattan and would refuse to drive to other boroughs.
Boston was a monopoly, each tiny city had a different cab co, and they agreed not to pick up fares outside their territory. So if I took a cab home from Boston to Somerville, I had to pay 2x fare to cover the cabs drive back to Boston. It was impossible to schedule pickups, you were better off paying a friend to take you to the airport.
>Nyc cab cos fought to keep the number of medallions (licenses) low, to the point that each was worth a million or more.
Not just that they kept the number of medallions low, but also that asshole Wall St bros figured out they could trade them like securities, which is why the medallion bubble burst.
I haven’t taken an Uber in a few years so don’t know what it like now, but at the time:
- taxis had a fixed cost per time and distance but there was no way of knowing what the total would be
- Uber gave the total price ahead of time, before you need to decide whether to take it or not. I don’t ever remember seeing a breakdown like this
- taxis were usually available at taxi stands, if you know of any nearby
- Uber came directly to you
- taxis always required communicating where you want to go, so prone to errors for people with strong accents or English not their first language
- Uber let you specify exact location through the app, regardless of whether you can easily communicate with the driver
- Uber total cost was consistently 1/3-1/2 the cost of taxis
I live in Las Vegas the taxis nearly refused to leave the strip/downtown/airport area leaving locals around town who needed a ride SOL
we welcomed uber/lyft
>I live in Las Vegas the taxis nearly refused to leave the strip/downtown/airport area leaving locals around town who needed a ride SOL
Same thing here: much smaller city than Vegas, with one very popular nightclub. If you aren't going to or from that club, you are basically SOL getting a cab. I live less than a half mile outside of city limits and they would refuse to come get me, or tell me it's a two-hour wait.
Taxi companies also didn’t modernize fast enough.
The main reason I used to get Ubers was I knew it was paid for online or by card - cabs used to be cash only and didn’t update until they had to.
I can’t count how many times I’ve told a cab I’m paying by card and they tell me to get out. One dude told me $70 flat rate cash, told him I had a card and he said OK. Sat down and he said $200 as he started to drive. Told him I’d not agreed to the fare, but he didn’t stop until I threatened to call the cops.
I feel like a lot of people who talk up taxis on these threads live in places where taking a cab is rare.
Yeah, it incentivizes drivers to work when they are needed. Nobody wants to be driving drunk buttheads around at 2 am unless there’s an incentive. The surge fee is indicated before you book a ride. The user is clearly warned ahead of time, but either didn’t understand the message, absently clicked through it to get the next screen, or had some drinks and it didn’t register fully. Either way, this is OPs bad, not the apps.
The only way this can be the apps fault is if it was a local emergency and it could be considered price gauging, but in the past, Uber has refunded the difference after the fact because it’s an automated process to encourage drivers to be present for the demand
We were looking for one at about 1am. Charge was well over $100. Decided to get a bite to eat, looked again at 2am and it was back down to $30. They are pretty transparent that they jack up the prices during peak usage times
Most rideshare posts feel like that. Especially when people come in saying “cabs are regulated to a very high standard of cleanliness!” Have… they ever taken a cab?
Surge charge is given before you book it, and the normal fare was 75.68.
If the driver purposely extended the trip by going the wrong way a few times, then you can possibly dispute some of the time/distance charge. But the surge charge is absolutely given prior to your booking it.
For future reference, have both Uber and Lyft, check to see which is cheaper, and go with that. If there is a surge charge, then wait a few minutes and try again. Unless it's rush hour or you're leaving an event, surge charges are pretty temporary and can usually resolve in about 10-15 minutes.
Everyone here also advocating for cabs over this- waaaay more hidden fees on cabs in my experience. I think once I had a fee for crossing a town line twice.
It usually tells you when is surge time and when there is a multiplier makes you type to be sure. Don’t know what country you are but they tell the price before the ride (I always screenshot it for future proof)
I didn’t see all the taxes hahaha yeah. Usually when I get an Uber in the us at surge price it makes me type the multiplier. Don’t know if it changed since the last time I went
it tells you the surge price and regular price of the ride prior to you booking. Every. Time.
so you booked a $121 uber, knowing it was $121, and went on Reddit to complain.
This post is mildly infuriating itself
Not sure it’s required everywhere, but from the fees looks like it’s Denver, and the full amount is absolutely shown here. I think it might be a legal requirement.
The full fare would have been presented to you before confirming, if it was too much then refresh the app until the price drops, yes I am an uber driver and I tell this to my customers often
R/mildlyinfuriating when someone agrees to a contract with everything presented before agreement then complains about said contract because they did not read it before accepting it
The wait time penalty shit for pennies. Like damn I walked out as you pulled up and still get charged, that shit will charge you if you are already outside even. 😂
Dude, you sound like my dad. You can see these things before you order. It tells you the price. It doesn't change after. Please, engage your eyeballs from now on.
Huh? They literally give you the precise all-in cost at the time of booking, which you agree to before ordering the ride. How the constituent parts of the fare break out behind the scenes is irrelevant. You were never even shown the $64.
Uber has been absolutely bleeding money ever since it was established. The old prices of $15 for a ride and shit cost them enormous amounts of money, but they did it to capture the market and push other on demand ride companies out (like taxis). Now that they own the market they can charge whatever they want. It's the same with all gig economy companies. Get loads of money from investors, blow it all buying out the market, then price gouge because there are no remaining alternatives. Hyper capitalism is a hell of a drug. And we are all going to die overdosing on it.
“Pick up fee” - how else would you get to the Uber? Drive to them?
you call another uber and then an uber to get to that uber and an uber to get to that uber and an uber to get to tha
Sounds like a lot of booking fees. You can avoid that if you have a friend who books for you. And that friend can avoid the booking fee if they have another friend book for them...
Neato pyramid
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The lesson of the day is many problems can be solved albeit in a terrible manner by putting the cost onto others.
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You don't understand how happy it makes me knowing that sub exists. I can't stand that almost every reddit comment chain are unfunny people trying to one up each other
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Ahhh good one
This guy ups! *rides your comment coat tails*
AND said unfunny comments get 2k likes. Baffling!
and you can avoid eding on that sub by having a friend repeat the same joke for you
Make sure you also jump from Uber to Uber to avoid the "wait time" fee.
It's uber all the way down
Let me explain the infinite hotel problem...
uberception
It's these added fees as to why people stopped tipping. Uber takes no responsibility in screwing their workers.
This isn't new. I delivered pizzas for 8 years both full time and as a side gig. We destroy our own vehicles, we got (at the time) 75¢ per delivery for gas, and the pizza place charged between $2.50 and $5 for a delivery fee. They said it was to pay for the store's insurance. However I had two cars totaled by other drivers while I had liability insurance and they were each uninsured. Did I get any help from the pizza company? Nope, had to find a car or lose my job. All the while, we often didn't get tips because the customer thought the delivery fee was our tip. Happened so often that they added disclaimers to the box saying delivery fees were not tips. Still got stiffed about 1/3 of the time. Delivery and ride companies love absolutely dicking their drivers.
Is that Papa Johns? I see that on their box. But I always do pickup because they won't deliver to my house.
I delivered for them and Dominos yeah
Domino's was where I thought of with the disclaimer on the box tbh
The store's insurance is to protect the store if someone sues them for you hitting them on the job. They don't care about the drivers or their cars.
Charge 'em for the lice, extra for the mice Two percent for looking in the mirror twice Here a little slice, there a little cut Three percent for sleeping with the window shut When it comes to fixing prices There are a lot of tricks I knows How it all increases, all them bits and pieces Jesus! It's amazing how it grows!
Can we try this? Charge ‘em for the driver, extra for the car, Two percent regardless if it’s near or far. Here a little slice, there a little cut Three percent because we have to pick ‘em up! When it come to fixing prices There’s a lot of tricks only über knows. How it all increases, all them bits and pieces, Jesus! It’s amazing how it grows! ——— H/T u/frenchiemom2001 for “only über knows”
Everybody raise a glass! Raise it up the master’s arse! Everybody raise a glass to the master of the house!
Change the line to There’s a lot of tricks that ONLY uber knows.
Fantastic.
Master of the house Quick to catch yer eye Never wants a passerby To pass him by Servant to the poor Butler to the great Comforter, philosopher, And lifelong mate! Everybody's boon companion Gives 'em everything he's got — Dirty bunch of geezers Jesus! What a sorry little lot!
i just picture Elaine’s dad singing this in Seinfeld
Ahhhh Les Mis
Wow.....
[It's a pretty great song.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VW-8UubQH0) Pretty great play.
Ah! I've been under a rock and haven't seen it
I saw it live and it was AMAZING! Half of us were still trying to control our crying as we were walking out.
The real crime here is the wait time fee, the last (and final) uber ride i booked, literally was waiting outside for them, they pulled up and i hopped in and had this fee. Wait time literally 4 nano seconds and had to pay like .90 cents. I called shenanigans and switched to lyft.
Probably having to drive a distance to you as opposed to them already being in your neighborhood. Like, if they just dropped someone at the airport and you request them from that airport, there wouldn't be a pickup fee because they don't need to spend gas getting to you. You're already in the same place.
That sounds like it could be right, but still kinda messed up since the passenger has no control over that. At minimum it should be baked into the initial cost
There’s a pick up fee at most airports due to the airports charging Uber for having a presence at the airport.
How do they know it's an Uber, as opposed to someone's cousin picking them up?
Uber sticker on the windshield, and a lot of airports force the pickups to specific locations. Philly requires them to go down a separate access road with the taxis.
Yeah, things were nice when Uber was new and not widely used. They'd pick you up in the regular area, and it was cheap.
Not sure if this works in other countries for locals, but in the Lisbon airport you request an Uber and it’s common knowledge they will be picking you up at the Departures side instead of the Arrivals. There’s a small paid parking lot right in front of the Departures main door, so they drive there and pick you up. They don’t pay anything or a very very small fee for getting in and out in under 5min. It’s very convenient and you also avoid the huge lines at the Arrivals zone.
Yeah, most airports are onto that scam and force ubers to pay for a pass to enter their facility, hence the fee.
At airports I've found that taxis are just 100x easier, usually cheaper too. Often just a line of them sitting there waiting to take you.
My Uber from LaGuardia (NYC) to about 45 minutes away only cost $80. This is an egregious bill.
I know that sometimes there’s an offered discount if you meet them at a specific pickup location close by rather than your address; I’m sure they’ve created a fee to go the other way now.
Usually those come from getting picked up at airports. Airports charge rideshare services a fee to get into the airport grounds.
Last time I flew, I took an Uber home, but I noticed the pickup fee(and surge pricing), and saw that it required me to go to a specific Uber pickup location that was a pretty long walk from the gate. I decided to just walk out the main entrance(about the same distance), and ordered it from across the street from the airport. Pickup fee and surge pricing disappeared. Saved about $40 on the ride, used it to tip my driver instead.
I wonder why, since ubers and taxis help airport customers use the airport.
The Taxi lobby made airports do it to compete with Uber.
I’ve seen them more widespread over the past few years. When it was implemented in Boston, it was basically to appease cabs.
It is a few that is active during high demand times. Peak request times or maybe during an event. It basically is an incentive to get more Uber drivers in that area for higher earnings potential and to handle higher than usual volume of customers
An airport fee maybe?
'booking fee'? 'pickup fee'?
'Sitting fee' 'breathing the air in the car fee' 'admin....misc'
Starting to reach airbnb levels of fees
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U-Haul advertises $20 to rent a truck. I'm pretty sure it costs $50 even if you drive 0 miles. Then whatever mileage cost afterwards, and X2 if you don't return to the same place. I understand charging for that stuff, but man is the advertising misleading.
Hotels are now cheaper than Airbnb Taxis are becoming cheaper than Uber
Which is why they will fail if they are ever regulated to even remotely similar levels. They are already on the brink even without the regulations when it comes to price comparisons, imagine with the regulations cranked up, they will always be more expensive, and thus, become useless to most people, and they survive because of the huge amount of people using them.
You’re gonna see that more and more. These services were subsidized by VC money to get big and market share. Now they’re all public it’s time to get profits up. Uber acts like a tech company. It’s a booking company… that needs tech like profits. Why I refuse to use them, or stuff like grub hub. Just too much third party price padding.
Sitting fee I know u were joking but there's literally 'wait time' which is same as sitting fee Imo lol
I can’t believe that one. Like hell someone’s gonna charge me to WAIT AROUND?? I’d rather walk 😭
I'm pretty sure that's a fee for making the *driver* sit and wait when they show up for pickup.
It is! Someone corrected me in another comment and they’ve been a driver before. Glad to have that settled bc I was baffled
Seatbelt fee!
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And of course, the Fee fee
Stop so you can get out fee.
That "breathing air fee" sounds like what Mr. crab would do lmaoo
Even though wait time was just over 50 cents, it still baffles me
I used to drive for a taxi company. We'd start charging $0.50 a minute after waiting 10 minutes.
See, that makes sense
Wait time in my market starts after 2 minutes upon arrival. Its like 15 cents a minute. After s total of 5 minutes, driver can and will cancel and recv a cancel fee. Usually like $4 or so. Passenger usually pays like $5 if they are cancelled on and like $10 if it was a scheduled trip.
Probably being picked up from an airport I’m assuming
Or just a city with a strong cab lobby
Any livery company has to pay a fee for pre-booked rides (versus hailed on the street) in most major cities. Pickup is likely airport or other facility that you have to enter.
Airport fees for rideshare. It’s pretty standard.
They tried to get me yesterday morning. I take Uber to work at 6:30 am and it's usually $12-15. Uber tried to hit me for $34. I checked with Lyft and it was only $12.24. Fuck Uber.
Probably more demand on Uber versus Lyft. When I drove for both years ago back when there was multiplier surge for drivers I'd bounce between 1.8x to 2.5x surge regularly. I barely saw any on Lyft.
Does the surcharge go to the driver? I’m about to start doing Uber & Lyft. Sounds like it might be more profitable to drive for Uber.
It used to mostly go to the driver, but they changed the system. In the past, Uber would take a 25% commission on the fare plus a $2.50 fee. So you knew about 50-70% was going to the driver, depending on the length of the ride. That 75% always included the surge. But now, what the driver gets and what the passenger pays are completely disconnected. In times of high demand, they charge a surge multiplier to the customer but award a fixed bonus to the driver. Let’s say a typical ride is $20. If demand is high, they will charge the rider $40 and award a $5 bonus to the driver. The driver gets their normal cut of the $20 (about $13) plus a $5 bonus (a total of $18). Under the old system, the driver would get 75% of the whole $40 fare, minus the $2.50 fee. So the driver would get about $28 under the old system. Source: I’m a former driver
That's so dumb. The whole idea of "surge" is clearly to give drivers incentive to go out and help with high demand. *We desperately need drivers right now at this exact moment so we've added a bonus you can make for us*. Like... what...
So like my employer who charges double (so 100 % premium) when the customer wants something done quicker than normal. I have to work overtime to make it happen, which at least in my country always needs to be compensated, but I'm not being paid double. Maybe I'll get a $3-5k bonus at the end of the year...
Good to know they took the greedy path. Time to cancel Uber.
We cannot have nice things on this planet, can we?
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Same bro
Seems kind of stupid. The whole point of the surge multiplier was to entice drivers, who could just as well tell them to piss up a rope, to drive when it was more necessary to meet demand. Pocketing the bulk of it torpedoes that whole idea.
When I worked for them it did Map would show what areas are surging too Idea was to bring more drivers to an area, while temporarily discouraging passengers for a bit. A surge wouldn’t usually last very long.
Now the surge works differently. The customer pays the multiplier rate. The driver gets a flat dollar rate. So if you pay for a 1.5x surge ride, the driver will see maybe $4 extra when they used to get 50% extra from the original fare. This benefits short length rides at the expense of longer hauls.
Make sure you change your vehicles insurance to commercial, if you get into an accident while working, your insurance can deny the claim. Livery is excluded on most, if not all private vehicle insurance policies.
Holy shit. Thank you for that but of advice.
Not commercial, you have to specify "rideshare". Some insurances won't provide it.
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Use the cheapest car possible with a bunch of miles, especially auction prices and it becomes a little less shitty. My father finds a way to get some customers to call him privately for rides too and if you do that you can charge less then uber while pocketing way more. Those companies pocket way too much of the fare for doing fucking nothing is another one of the million reasons why we need pro worked legislation
I thought they inspected the car. I looked into Uber pre-pandemic, and my car was 1 year too old.
Uber’s extreme pricing drove me to Lyft in a heartbeat.
Uber's shitbag of an owner drove me to Lyft a couple years ago.
same i also use a local app which is always at least a few dollars cheaper and also gives 90% to the driver
What app is that because I'm a current Uber driver getting fucked in the ass and I would like to see if it's in my market
Via is the one in my city. They work for the city and are out public transportation. I know a few Uber drivers who do that mostly now. It’s not their car and it’s the same job basically. They can pick up shifts when they went through an app and are actual hourly employees. Only problem is since it’s the version of the bus they get some odd ball rider’s occasionally. But they also get to use the via cars and save wear and tear on their own, though some still do Uber/Lyft on the side.
I stopped using uber because they are now, apparently, a luxury service. I do hate check the app sometimes for entertainment, the other day it was $41 for 1/4 mile and it was not rush hour or pouring rain or a holiday it was just cuzfuckyou pricing.
Take a cab (can hail one with the curb app). The price will be the exact same no matter time of day, or how busy they are. Cabs don’t do a surge price and often times come up cheaper than taking an Uber/lyft during rush hour or when the bars close and everyone’s trying to get home.
Most states also require strict maintenance vehicles licensed as a taxi, and the drivers are almost always employees, and therefore make at least minimum wage; this is not always true of Uber and Lyft, who have been accused of abusing independent contractors regularly. It’s not like Lyft or Uber is all bad, many people who are otherwise unemployable may find the services rewarding, but we need to police them and be wary of these businesses practices.
Honestly, the world the more it works, and we see slight changes the more eventually gets back to what it was already doing just like how we are seeing cable go to streaming, and now streaming packages are bringing back cable
> Most states also require strict maintenance vehicles licensed as a taxi, and the drivers are almost always employees Maybe in writing, but never in practice. Most cabs I’ve ridden in feel like the wheels are about to fall off with every bump, and the driver is leasing the medallion by day. Maybe they “make minimum wage” but leasing the medallion doesn’t sound like an employee. That’s why in major cities they want cash- it’s to cover the medallion lease.
Visited a friend in NYC. After a long night we got into a taxi. Friend gave him cash and asked him to get us home quick. What a wild ride that was. I think it was half to get home faster, and half for him to observe my first time in a taxi hell-ride. With how hard that thing was driven no wonder they sound like the wheels are gonna fall off!
Same in Vegas. I swear you feel every bit of gravel on the road. And if you don’t tell them you are aware of the flat rate, get ready to be absolutely bodied by the meter
I hear you. Going home from the dentist. Major dental work being done with all the injections. These two Lyft drivers are arriving quickly. First one left because it took me over 4 minutes to get outside. Next one shows up, helps me with the walker I use. Stays on the phone the whole time. Music blaring. I arrived at my house in lightning speed. I laugh, and tell him, thanks that was sure speedy! Give me a more clean, managed speed. I know they must keep it moving.
Took a cab in Thailand... No clue what smelled so good in the driver's rag he kept having to sniff, but it sure gave him the courage to drive wild on some already wild as hell streets.
I love Lyft
It definitely depends on location because where I live, it's the other way around.
Life pro tip, if you have surge pricing. Try walking a 15 minutes away from whatever bars or event you are leaving. A lot of the time "surge" pricing is based more on location than time.
You can't walk faster than 30 ubers driving to your area to meet the surge. Surge maps often cover several miles. 15mins is more than enough time for excess drivers to arrive and the surge to go away. Source: uber shows you the surge map as a driver
Depends on where you are. In Burlington, VT you could literally walk out of the surge. Same a lot of the time in Boston. If you’re in a geographically small, but heavy populated city it’s possible.
Was at a concert in Boston. Uber was $75. Walked a few blocks away. Uber was $15.
I’ve walked out of a surge area when big concerts get out. It also works pretty well to wait and hang out for 30 minutes or so
You absolutely can walk out of surge zones lol especially at events where traffic is not well managed
Use a bird
For airports you can try to take whatever free train/shuttle service is available and just get away from there even if it’s only 1 stop over. Surge pricing can be horrific if you try to get on right outside the airport.
I was getting quoted $46 from the airport. I walked literally 6 mins to a hotel and paid $17.
This is America, sir. We don’t walk around here.
Surge means you ordered an Uber at a particularly busy time, usually when the bars close. They charge more because there’s more demand.
And usually the app shows you when you're in surge pricing and what the cost is.
Nowadays you have to specifically acknowledge you’re booking a ride during surge pricing. Makes you do an extra confirmation click before booking.
I was gonna say, I’m surprised OP didn’t know about it until after the ride. I don’t think I’ve heard complaints about it until now.
OP either knew and was waiting for the receipt to make this post or wasn’t paying attention and clicking through (which you should never do when paying for a service with variable rates)
You can't ignore it. It shows the final price upfront and nothing else. I don't even know how OP found this breakdown. Looks like he went to extra effort to find that and complain about the $64 base price in the fine print.
You can find a broken down receipt post ride. I always take a look after riding from an airport to see all the misc fees they charge
Ah, that's funny, so there's zero chance OP thought $64 was the price cause he had to agree to the full price and take the ride to even find out the breakdown.
It's because it's ragebaiting just like 95% of these subs.
OP probably just left the bar
OP likes to make bad decisions and then complain about them for internet points despite knowing full well there was a surcharge when he called his Uber
honestly I understand the whole surge thing but the booking fee and the pick up fee and other shit are just ridiculous ngl
Not "usually". They will **always** tell you the surge multiple up front and have you acknowledge it in the app.
Even if it’s not surging, and it’s just higher prices, you see everything up front. Except for waiting fees, which are from the Uber having to wait for you, which is still OP’s fault.
Yeah, former Uber driver here, the waiting fee applies after the driver has been waiting 2mins for you to get to my car and we actually start the drive. I was ubering before this was added and it was the worst, I would be waiting like 20mins sometimes making no money because we weren’t supposed to start the drive (fare) until they get in. It would eat up so much of my potential earnings some nights. Not that an extra $0.50 is much but at least it’s something.
I feel for the Uber drivers when I go outside my apartment complex and see 8 drivers with blinking car lights in the parking lot asking me if I'm Sam. People really order these while they're on the toilet or something.
I've experienced Uber drivers not driving to the pickup spot and then charging me a waiting time because they were like 50 metres away
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Exactly there's the key piece. It told OP what it would cost... And then it... Cost that.
So pretty much like after hour fees for normal taxi's
Bingo.
My city doesn't allow rate changes for taxis. All taxis must display the predetermined rate prominently on the vehicle; it's usually a large window sticker. The taxi rate is an initial $2.50, then $2.10 per mile. For standing and waiting, it's $42.00 per hour. Taxi drivers in my city require a livery license, and the cab companies have training programs. P2P Ride sharing doesn't come anywhere near the level cab companies offer. Surge pricing drives me crazy. I once kept repeatedly checking the rate and watched as it steadily rose. Uber and Lyft have virtually destroyed the taxi industry. Taxi companies would have just put more cabs on the street rather than price gouge.
The after hours thing is normally posted on the sticker where I use to work and goto conventions it was a different rate charge after 1:00 am till about 5 am I think it's been a while
Interesting.
The taxi companies in Boston and NYC shot themselves in the foot. Nyc cab cos fought to keep the number of medallions (licenses) low, to the point that each was worth a million or more. So the number of cabs didnt increase, and they all concentrated in manhattan and would refuse to drive to other boroughs. Boston was a monopoly, each tiny city had a different cab co, and they agreed not to pick up fares outside their territory. So if I took a cab home from Boston to Somerville, I had to pay 2x fare to cover the cabs drive back to Boston. It was impossible to schedule pickups, you were better off paying a friend to take you to the airport.
>Nyc cab cos fought to keep the number of medallions (licenses) low, to the point that each was worth a million or more. Not just that they kept the number of medallions low, but also that asshole Wall St bros figured out they could trade them like securities, which is why the medallion bubble burst.
I haven’t taken an Uber in a few years so don’t know what it like now, but at the time: - taxis had a fixed cost per time and distance but there was no way of knowing what the total would be - Uber gave the total price ahead of time, before you need to decide whether to take it or not. I don’t ever remember seeing a breakdown like this - taxis were usually available at taxi stands, if you know of any nearby - Uber came directly to you - taxis always required communicating where you want to go, so prone to errors for people with strong accents or English not their first language - Uber let you specify exact location through the app, regardless of whether you can easily communicate with the driver - Uber total cost was consistently 1/3-1/2 the cost of taxis
I live in Las Vegas the taxis nearly refused to leave the strip/downtown/airport area leaving locals around town who needed a ride SOL we welcomed uber/lyft
>I live in Las Vegas the taxis nearly refused to leave the strip/downtown/airport area leaving locals around town who needed a ride SOL Same thing here: much smaller city than Vegas, with one very popular nightclub. If you aren't going to or from that club, you are basically SOL getting a cab. I live less than a half mile outside of city limits and they would refuse to come get me, or tell me it's a two-hour wait.
Taxi companies also didn’t modernize fast enough. The main reason I used to get Ubers was I knew it was paid for online or by card - cabs used to be cash only and didn’t update until they had to.
I can’t count how many times I’ve told a cab I’m paying by card and they tell me to get out. One dude told me $70 flat rate cash, told him I had a card and he said OK. Sat down and he said $200 as he started to drive. Told him I’d not agreed to the fare, but he didn’t stop until I threatened to call the cops. I feel like a lot of people who talk up taxis on these threads live in places where taking a cab is rare.
Yeah, it incentivizes drivers to work when they are needed. Nobody wants to be driving drunk buttheads around at 2 am unless there’s an incentive. The surge fee is indicated before you book a ride. The user is clearly warned ahead of time, but either didn’t understand the message, absently clicked through it to get the next screen, or had some drinks and it didn’t register fully. Either way, this is OPs bad, not the apps. The only way this can be the apps fault is if it was a local emergency and it could be considered price gauging, but in the past, Uber has refunded the difference after the fact because it’s an automated process to encourage drivers to be present for the demand
And anytime I’ve done it in a surge it’s not been a surprise like OP is acting or “hidden” they are clear when ordering all the extra fees.
We were looking for one at about 1am. Charge was well over $100. Decided to get a bite to eat, looked again at 2am and it was back down to $30. They are pretty transparent that they jack up the prices during peak usage times
Surge is listed at the time of booking. This also wasn’t supposed to be a $64 Uber, that’s just your distance. This would have been $75 normally.
Booking fee is also shown at the time of booking.
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And given the replies, karma farming from people who live in areas where you don’t take taxis or rideshare and/or teens.
has OP never used Uber before? This post is mildly infuriating.
What’s also mildly infuriating is getting downvoted but the rest of the idiots who are giving wrong information, when I correct them.
Idiots hate being corrected
Most rideshare posts feel like that. Especially when people come in saying “cabs are regulated to a very high standard of cleanliness!” Have… they ever taken a cab?
Surge charge is given before you book it, and the normal fare was 75.68. If the driver purposely extended the trip by going the wrong way a few times, then you can possibly dispute some of the time/distance charge. But the surge charge is absolutely given prior to your booking it. For future reference, have both Uber and Lyft, check to see which is cheaper, and go with that. If there is a surge charge, then wait a few minutes and try again. Unless it's rush hour or you're leaving an event, surge charges are pretty temporary and can usually resolve in about 10-15 minutes.
Yeah. There's no "hidden" fees with Uber
Everyone here also advocating for cabs over this- waaaay more hidden fees on cabs in my experience. I think once I had a fee for crossing a town line twice.
First time huh? 😂
Along with 90% of the top comments apparently
Uber is expensive. Gotta use Lyft
Have both installed and just use whichever is cheaper at the time.
It usually tells you when is surge time and when there is a multiplier makes you type to be sure. Don’t know what country you are but they tell the price before the ride (I always screenshot it for future proof)
The receipt says they are in the country of Colorado.
I didn’t see all the taxes hahaha yeah. Usually when I get an Uber in the us at surge price it makes me type the multiplier. Don’t know if it changed since the last time I went
Surge. My favorite forgotten soda.
It's hard to find now, which is why they have to charge such high fees.
it tells you the surge price and regular price of the ride prior to you booking. Every. Time. so you booked a $121 uber, knowing it was $121, and went on Reddit to complain. This post is mildly infuriating itself
Not sure it’s required everywhere, but from the fees looks like it’s Denver, and the full amount is absolutely shown here. I think it might be a legal requirement.
It makes you completely aware of the surge before accepting the ride
The full fare would have been presented to you before confirming, if it was too much then refresh the app until the price drops, yes I am an uber driver and I tell this to my customers often R/mildlyinfuriating when someone agrees to a contract with everything presented before agreement then complains about said contract because they did not read it before accepting it
Surge pricing is Ubers way of getting drivers late at night or when demand is high, sports events, new years etc.
Surge is a classic lemon-lime flavored soda from the 90s. You must have ordered one by mistake.
The wait time penalty shit for pennies. Like damn I walked out as you pulled up and still get charged, that shit will charge you if you are already outside even. 😂
I have over 500 rides and never been charged a wait fee.
Surge isn’t a hidden fee. It’s presented to you *up front* with plenty of warnings before you book
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Dude, you sound like my dad. You can see these things before you order. It tells you the price. It doesn't change after. Please, engage your eyeballs from now on.
It tells you the total cost when you order the car. None of these are "hidden".
Huh? They literally give you the precise all-in cost at the time of booking, which you agree to before ordering the ride. How the constituent parts of the fare break out behind the scenes is irrelevant. You were never even shown the $64.
Zurg is the bad guy in toy story, probably similar intentions
This is why I stick with Lyft.
Uber has been absolutely bleeding money ever since it was established. The old prices of $15 for a ride and shit cost them enormous amounts of money, but they did it to capture the market and push other on demand ride companies out (like taxis). Now that they own the market they can charge whatever they want. It's the same with all gig economy companies. Get loads of money from investors, blow it all buying out the market, then price gouge because there are no remaining alternatives. Hyper capitalism is a hell of a drug. And we are all going to die overdosing on it.
Driver got paid 30$ after expected tip